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Title: Landing/Ditching - HTC Please Read
Post by: aknimitz on May 02, 2001, 08:53:00 PM
Ok ... how many of you like the current landing/ditching setup?  I think it makes absolutely NO sense that you can land safely on a field, be out of fuel, and 10 feet from the runway, but it counts as a ditch?  That is SO frustrating to make it all the way home on 1 1/2 wings and no fuel, and you come up 10 feet short, and its a ditch?  Can this be fixed please!

What makes even worse sense is that you can land at an ENEMY field on runway, and it counts as a landing?  

Would really appreciate input and accomodations please  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)

Nim
Title: Landing/Ditching - HTC Please Read
Post by: Toad on May 02, 2001, 09:17:00 PM
Agree, Nim, both issues.

This needs to be on the "revision" list somewhere.
Title: Landing/Ditching - HTC Please Read
Post by: Pongo on May 02, 2001, 09:39:00 PM
yes.
ummmm
yes.
Title: Landing/Ditching - HTC Please Read
Post by: DRILL on May 02, 2001, 10:20:00 PM
ill agree need a few changes to that

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Title: Landing/Ditching - HTC Please Read
Post by: Thorns on May 02, 2001, 11:11:00 PM
I would also like to see repairs made in the hanger to a damaged plane.  No fuel just repairs...it could even be time delayed of how much damage has to be repaired....Say if you get down with half a wing, the hanger delay would be 2 minutes in the hanger to get it repaired......don't get caught in a hanger if the hanger is about to be bombed!

Thorns
Title: Landing/Ditching - HTC Please Read
Post by: Jekyll on May 03, 2001, 04:00:00 AM
So how close to a runway should you be allowed to land and still have it called a 'landing' and not a 'ditch'?

50 feet?
100 feet?
A mile and a half?

If HT allows 'landings' say, 100 feet off the runway there will ALWAYS be someone who says "I landed 110 feet off the runway and it counted as a ditch.  That's lame!".

Runways are there for a purpose.  Use them  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)

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Title: Landing/Ditching - HTC Please Read
Post by: Sancho on May 03, 2001, 04:28:00 AM
The only thing that should be changed is you should not be able to land at an enemy field and have it count as a good landing.  Once Nomde and I came upon 4 190s that were ravaging a friendly air field.  They had knocked down the acks and a few hangars.  We went low to deal with them but these score potatos quickly tried landing on our runways to exit.  2 of them made it.  I won't name names though.  <cough! eismeer cough!>

I like everything else the way it is.  You gotta have your plane on a runway or taxiway or it is a ditch.  Period.
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Title: Landing/Ditching - HTC Please Read
Post by: Fastbikkel on May 03, 2001, 06:04:00 AM
S!


Landing on an enemy field should count as captured!

Landing on your own field, off the runway. The limit for this should be the entire field, that means the entire "sand colored" field just before the grass begins again.

About repairing your plane, you realy think attaching a piece of wing would take 2 minutes?? A more realistic appraoch would be like at least 20 minutes. I will not wait for that, i'll take myself a new bird.

What i would like to see is that whenever i get a kill, i get my kill marked on my fuselage! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Five kills in a row, means five of those american stars on my 109! Yeah!


Thanks,

Fb.
Title: Landing/Ditching - HTC Please Read
Post by: Ghosth on May 03, 2001, 06:14:00 AM
Inside the perimeter taxiway should be a landing period. Outside should be a ditch.

And yes please fix being able to land at an enemy field without being captured.

Also, on medium & large fields, any chance of getting a refuel station in the middle of the field instead of the end of the runway?
Title: Landing/Ditching - HTC Please Read
Post by: AG Sachsenberg on May 03, 2001, 07:01:00 AM
Nimitz that was one of my first squeakes when I got to this game and voiced it over this BBS.  I think it is ridiculous as well.  As I said before anywhere within the circle should be a landing.  Can't find the post though but it had a perk modifier on it as well.

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Title: Landing/Ditching - HTC Please Read
Post by: gatt on May 03, 2001, 07:25:00 AM
I agree Nimitz.

Many WW2 fighter airfields didnt even have concrete rwys. They simply took off from huge grass fields. Inside airfield borders it should be a successful landing.
Title: Landing/Ditching - HTC Please Read
Post by: hitech on May 03, 2001, 09:54:00 AM
Just so im sure I understand, You wan't to make landing easyer correct?
What it comes down to is you need to draw the line some where, landing is ment to require skill, if we would change it, you would loose a lot of the reward feeling you get when you manage to dead stick a plane on the runway. Basicly you just screwed up by 10 feet. As far as landing on enemy fields, I agree we should change that.

HiTech
Title: Landing/Ditching - HTC Please Read
Post by: Ripsnort on May 03, 2001, 09:58:00 AM
Nim musta lost a perk plane  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Title: Landing/Ditching - HTC Please Read
Post by: aknimitz on May 03, 2001, 09:59:00 AM
HT,

I think Ghosth's/Gatt's ideas are perfect.  Why not allow anything inside the perimiter of the field count as a landing?  That makes good sense to me, whattya think?

Nim
Title: Landing/Ditching - HTC Please Read
Post by: AG Sachsenberg on May 03, 2001, 10:07:00 AM
Nimitz,  Ok here is how it should be broken down

Land on runway wheels down recieve full 1.25 perk point bonus

Land on runway wheels up recieve .75 perk point bonus

Land within perimiter of airfield wheels down recieve .50 of perk point value

Wheels up landing within perimeter of airfield recieve .25 perk point value.

How about this?

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Title: Landing/Ditching - HTC Please Read
Post by: Toad on May 03, 2001, 10:20:00 AM
HT, see your point.

Glad you agree on the enemy field landing.

Would it be possible to somehow differentiate between a ditch "inside" the field perimeter road (which means you did make it back to the friendly field) and a ditch away from the field?

While I understand the reward aspect of landing on the rwy, sometimes you're just lucky to get the thing down anywhere and walk away from it. That can take a little skill and luck as well.   (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)

Minor thing, this really doesn't bug me very much.

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Title: Landing/Ditching - HTC Please Read
Post by: Graywolf on May 03, 2001, 10:31:00 AM
 
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Originally posted by aknimitz:
HT,

I think Ghosth's/Gatt's ideas are perfect.  Why not allow anything inside the perimiter of the field count as a landing?  That makes good sense to me, whattya think?

Nim

Because people will stop landing on the runways. Why bother when anywhere on the field will do?

As it is you see people take off and land inthe fields around base so they don't have to turn around at the refueling points.

As for people wanting a refueling point halfway down the runway, do a nroma approach and when you settle into the ground effect give it a bit of throttle and you'll end up 'fast taxiing' about 5' above the runway. Just close the throttle to land =)

This last trick was shown my by the instructor after a quick bout of aerobatics in a Cessna 152 at Southen Flying Club. The club was at the far end of the runway we were approaching (and the runway is big enough to handle a Valcan bomber, if they ever get it licenced). He 'floated' 3/4 of the way there about 3' off the runway =)




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Title: Landing/Ditching - HTC Please Read
Post by: Lephturn on May 03, 2001, 11:04:00 AM
Bah, too complex.

The way it is now is fine IMHO.  It's simple, and everybody understands it.  If you enlarge the area, you just make it easier to land.  If you don't have to land on the runway, why have one?



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Title: Landing/Ditching - HTC Please Read
Post by: AKDejaVu on May 03, 2001, 11:14:00 AM
No matter where you draw the line, someone is going to end up 5 feet short of it.

Besides, its not like a ditch gives the enemy credit for a kill or anything like that... its just a ditch.

AKDejaVu
Title: Landing/Ditching - HTC Please Read
Post by: minus on May 03, 2001, 12:32:00 PM
how about a truck M3 style so less art work on it like a refuel rearm wehicle ?????????
if u got a squady who will drive for u  usafe  around the field