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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: MANDOBLE on December 22, 2002, 06:25:17 AM
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Seems that everything hitting my D9 from 6 o'clock kills my radiator with a single ping (no matter if 50" or guns) and then I have only about 10-15 seconds before engine stops. In the other hand, I rarely have oil system damage, but when I have, oil tank empties extremely quickly, twice as fast as a La7. What was the oil capacity of 190D9, and what the La7 capacity?
HiTech should look at this.
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Think the oil drains at different rates depending on what caused the leak. Actually, I'm just about 99% positive it does.
I've never noticed a propensity towards oil/radiator hits in the Dora myself, as far as them coming from 'dead 6'. You may also want to remember that even though the radiator is mounted in the nose, it is possible to hit the nose from behind if you are slightly below or above your target.
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Originally posted by Urchin
...it is possible to hit the nose from behind if you are slightly below or above your target.
Must be some very very good shots out there then
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Whilst i agreed there WAS a radiator hit bug before with the other 190s I cant say ive noticed any tendancy toward oil damage on the 190D9
As for getting shot in the engine from 6oc I have to say a lot of my kills are aquired by flying under an aircraft and firing at the fuselage but AHEAD of the aircraft.They usually fly right into the bullet stream which often means hiting the engine and prop first.Usually i continue to fire as i climb back up above their 6oc position.
For the pilot whos shot they would hear pings , look back and see me seemingly passing their 6oc position whereas the shots that hit were firedwell out of a dead 6 position.
I think this happens quite a lot if you, like me, often try to lead shoot manouvering enemies.
best thing to do though is IF you still think somethings wrong do some tests with a friend.Get them to fly level and try shooting from dead 6'oc see if the engine is hit too often.
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Nah I think it's AH damage model where bullets seem to fly thru the whole plane.
It's very comon agains canon planes when I HO them to loose elevator with no other plane damage, expecially against N1K1.
As far as the oil leack, I also noticed that when hit by canons my oil leacks faster, and same for pilot wounds, you die faster. May be a coincidence, just my observation.
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Mandoble is absolutly right.
Its the same for me. in near allmost every case a s shot from dead 6 kills my radiator.
I complained about this couple weeks ago and no reaction so far.
But we all know HT inventet the wonder JFK majic .50cal bullet.
:D
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Both the Dora and Ta152 suffers from it.
Ta152 have a few more weird issues (Dora has them too but it had less armor)
it is possible to hit the nose from behind if you are slightly below or above your target.
Urchin, not really, not the way the radiator is mounted thanks to the size of it. The Size of the radiator (in diameter) is smaller then the front of the engine and is placed directly infront of the engine, thus, you will need a quite big high or low angle to succeed in getting a hit on it from anywhere behind.
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I have read a story of a p38 flying through the forest cutting acres of trees down and building a log cabin with custom furniture then flying 100 miles and killing 100 fws."
Funniest sig ever.
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Originally posted by hazed-
Whilst i agreed there WAS a radiator hit bug before with the other 190s I cant say ive noticed any tendancy toward oil damage on the 190D9.
Eh ... the other 190s didn't have a radiator, did they? They had air-cooled radial BMW engines.
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Originally posted by GScholz
Eh ... the other 190s didn't have a radiator, did they? They had air-cooled radial BMW engines.
The Antons had an oil radiator in the nose ring. The Doras had both the oil and coolant radiator in the nose.
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One quick side note... Just because you hear one ping doesn't mean that is all that hit you. In AH, the way packets are transferred over the net, you may hear 5 pings or 1 ping, depending on net status, connections, lag, all that. Multiple impacts in a short time may not be truly represented. Just a though, doesn't always happen this way.
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Yes but NOTHING can hit the radiator of the D9 from dead 6.
Thats the point. There is to much in between the tail and the nose.
I am only confirming that the radiator death in the D9 comes pretty often from dead6 shots.
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One quick side note... Just because you hear one ping doesn't mean that is all that hit you. In AH, the way packets are transferred over the net, you may hear 5 pings or 1 ping, depending on net status, connections, lag, all that. Multiple impacts in a short time may not be truly represented. Just a though, doesn't always happen this way.
The radiator can't possibly in any way get hit from behind. It's located DIRECTLY infront of the engine and its Diameter is smaller then that of the engine so it's completely safe from 6 o'clock shots. To get it from behind you need a very high angle from bellow/above or from the sides, meaning that you have to come down/up on him. Same thing with the Ta152 but the Ta152 had much more armor around the radiator. The Dora had alot, enough to protect from most guns bellow 20mm.
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Originally posted by Wilbus
The radiator can't possibly in any way get hit from behind. It's located DIRECTLY infront of the engine and its Diameter is smaller then that of the engine so it's completely safe from 6 o'clock shots. To get it from behind you need a very high angle from bellow/above or from the sides, meaning that you have to come down/up on him. Same thing with the Ta152 but the Ta152 had much more armor around the radiator. The Dora had alot, enough to protect from most guns bellow 20mm.
Look at any sectional drawing or the Champlain engine/radiator display and it can be seen that the radiator is larger in dia. than the motor. From the rear, no armour on the D-9 and Ta152 specifically for the radiator.
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Okay...this is not a flame..or anything else beyond me maybe seeing why you get nailed from behind like this sometimes.
The Dora is "narrow" in the rear and "wide" in the front correct?
Okay... a WING MOUNTED cannon/MG would be firing to a convergence point correct? This point is at an angle. This angle when fired at ANY plane could possiably lead to engine hits from a seemingly dead 6 postion?
xBAT
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Look at any sectional drawing or the Champlain engine/radiator display and it can be seen that the radiator is larger in dia. than the motor. From the rear, no armour on the D-9 and Ta152 specifically for the radiator.
Don't have my notes here so can't remember exact diameter of the radiator.
you are so wrong about the armor though, both the Dora and and the Ta152 had an armored ring around the front of the engine, specially made to protect from HO shots (which is basicly non existent in AH). The reason it doesn't have any armor to prtect from rear shots is that it's got an engine there. What really sticks out are the radiator flaps, not the actual radiator.
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Batdog, not enough angle.
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Originally posted by Wilbus
Don't have my notes here so can't remember exact diameter of the radiator.
you are so wrong about the armor though, both the Dora and and the Ta152 had an armored ring around the front of the engine, specially made to protect from HO shots (which is basicly non existent in AH). The reason it doesn't have any armor to prtect from rear shots is that it's got an engine there. What really sticks out are the radiator flaps, not the actual radiator.
Did I say anything about from the front of the radiator???;)
As for the diameter, better check your notes, for the radiator is larger in diameter. In fact, it is possible for bullets to richochet off the engine and damage the radiator.
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The actual ring covers both the front and from side/above/below shots.
Do you have the exact diameter for it?
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Plane X with them evil wing guns is directly behind a pink Fw 190D-9. Due to convergence the bullets are able to hit the oil ring in front of the engine.
// fats
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Yeah fats, 1000 yards and spraying, just at convergence, right?
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Most of you seem to be ignoring Hazed's point...how many of these "dead 6 attacks" hitting the radiator are actually slashing attacks from above or below with a bullet path in front of the aircraft?
If you are in a 190, you are also unlikely to be flying straight and level...if you know you have a target on your tail you will likely be in a scissors, opening up passing shots on the nose as the scissors close.
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We're not talking about scissor fights here, we're talking about dead 6 shots that often happen from 800 yards and down while you're extending away from a target. I know, I've had it happen to me alot and I've also done it to 190's who have passed me.
Another nice thing is how the Ta152 oil suply/cooler can get hit from the left/front or front at all for that matter while it is located on the right side far back on the engine (basicly the whole engine as cover).
DM in AH is OLD, it needs updating and it needs to get detailed.
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Wibluz is right. I am flying the D9 as my main ride in the MA.
But these radiator toejam is really killing the fun. If ur oil i hit u can fly 25 miles but with ur radiator u are allmost dead.
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one other point id like to add is the fact that we see coolant or oil/smoke with the damage indicator saying 'radiator' or 'engine' doesnt necessarily mean the actual radiator was hit.
As far as i can work out HTC has made areas around engines that are there to represent the pipes and feeding tubes etc for the radiator or oil supply.
Ive seen dozens of referances to the 190A's having lots of oil lines all around the engine.If this is the case it does point to the possibility of frequent oil damage.If a feeder pipe is holed or damaged you will lose oil just as fast as a hole in the radiator or oil supply container.
There are also lots of allied pilot references to 109s and 190s leaking the famous white glycol smoke which gave allied pilots the knowledge that they had hit the cooling system.
The problem is we really dont 'know' if the engines on 190s were more or less prone to engine hits/damage on than any other aircraft but unfortunately, without proving it isnt possible nothing will be changed.How do you prove something when you cannot tell whats happeneing in the flight model/ballistics model?
you cant can you.
I'll certainly take a bit more notice of the dora damage for a while just to see if you could be right but like i said I really havent had the same 'feeling' about the dora as i had about the 190a8 and others before the oil damage bug was fixed a while back.
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Originally posted by Kerago
Most of you seem to be ignoring Hazed's point...how many of these "dead 6 attacks" hitting the radiator are actually slashing attacks from above or below with a bullet path in front of the aircraft?
If you are in a 190, you are also unlikely to be flying straight and level...if you know you have a target on your tail you will likely be in a scissors, opening up passing shots on the nose as the scissors close.
well ill add this ....
numerous times i was running on the deck from a outnumbered fight. enemies about d500 and falling back level and on the deck also. usually spits and n1k2's. they realize that i will lose them and spray and pray. sure enough "whap" radiator damaged :(
oh well my 2¢
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Ok, enough of you seem to be experiencing this that I won't contradict you, point retracted.