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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Mr. T on May 03, 2001, 01:33:00 PM
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QUICK GUYS! I see a new plane rising the ranks, that did not previously recieve this much attention... and it has double the kills of everything else!!
The N1K2 has 1214 kills and the next closest plane is 602... and THAT plane is the F4U-1C!
SO BE QUICK ABOUT IT AND START YOUR NEW "PERK THE N1K2" THREADS NOW!
I'll start it off.... IT'S GREEN!!! PERK IT!!!!!
-SW
because I feel like being annoying
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hehehe
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<Crowd grumble, grumble, grumble>
Burn it! Burn it! Burn it!
Zippatuh
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What u talkin about foo!
I pidy the foo!
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Perk da choppa FOOooo!!
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...and da van FOOoo!!
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Musta missed the stats for the Spit IX fool?
Two planes doubling the rest.
AKDejaVu
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Sure did foo!
Learn from my mistakes kids, drink milk and stay in school. Iph you like me, you can't read and do things too quick like.
Damn Hannibal must of slipped me his jazz again.
Get in the van foo! We goin' fo a ride!
-SW
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hmm... so we traded one plane doubling the kills of the next one down for 2 planes both doubling the kills of the next one down? I suppose that the simple minded could call that "variety" but it's a bit of a stretch.
I guess real variety will come when we are all running away from each other in LW planes?
lazs
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Its curious that the same people who were against perking the Chog now try to force the people to whine about the N1K2...because it is doing the SAME thing as it has done last tours. The Spit and NiK have doubled their followers for 7 months. They are doing it now. Nothing new on the TV here.
BTW and just FYI, the Chog at this time would ammount for some 2500 kills without the perk planes, as the last TOD stats show.
It is quite sad to see that people who were precognizing apocalipsis have to do this kind of crap because they see that their apocaliptical predictions simply werent true.
I have yet to see one of the promimtent pro-"perk the CHOg" lobbiers to say "perk the niki". We say "fix the niki". I personally dont think that with the current usage any other plane should get perked.
hmm... so we traded one plane doubling the kills of the next one down for 2 planes both doubling the kills of the next one down? I suppose that the simple minded could call that "variety" but it's a bit of a stretch.
No, lazs, the N1K2 and Spitfire were doubling P51D numbers (wich used to be the fourth more used plane) since 7 months ago. We dont see NOTHING new here. Two planes have some 1300 kills. So what?
I repeat, the Chog would have some 2500 at this time.
[This message has been edited by R4M (edited 05-03-2001).]
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Have to agree with the first part Lazs.
Don't know of a single LW plane I'd want to run away from though (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) Most LW planes I see are doing that themselves (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
AKDejaVu
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DOH! "IN" lw planes.
I think I'd be flying WB first.
AKDejaVu
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RAM, one thing nobody is really looking at.. how much has the use of other planes increased?
Or... are people simply not flying as much.
And.. is having less F4u-1Cs in the arena worth the sacrifice caused by having less pilots in the arena?
AKDejaVu
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu:
RAM, one thing nobody is really looking at.. how much has the use of other planes increased?
The typhoon, massively, the N1K2 a bit, the Spit, a bit, the La7 a bit, the Chog has still lots of kills, and the Dhog now has almost twice the usage it had.
Just as "someone" here said it would happen (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
BTW I have not noticed less pilots in the Main arena. What I've noted is that the Chog wich I found avoided the HO. Except one who tried to vulch me as I was taking off, and he lost 8 perkies (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu:
RAM, one thing nobody is really looking at.. how much has the use of other planes increased?
Or... are people simply not flying as much.
And.. is having less F4u-1Cs in the arena worth the sacrifice caused by having less pilots in the arena?
AKDejaVu
I've only been able to log in once this month, and when I logged in, the number of people in the MA was around what it usually is for that time of day. I just wanted to see the map, and watch a little action from the tower. I had maybe 5 minutes in which to watch. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif) been too busy to play recently. Anyways, I don't think the Chog being perked would drive people away from the game. At least I hope it wouldn't. Oh, and if someone says "What would you do/say if we perked your favorite ride?" It won't happen. I fly the Seafire more than anything! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) If it happened anyways? I'd say "OK" and fly another Spit variant, or the DHog, or the Hellcat, or a Pony variant, or I'd try LW plane, and so forth until you perked everything and I have to quit cuz I have no perkies! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
If having less Chogs in game thru the perk system meant having significantly less players in the arena, then it would be a bad thing.
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The typhoon, massively, the N1K2 a bit, the Spit, a bit, the La7 a bit, the Chog has still lots of kills, and the Dhog now has almost twice the usage it had.
The typhoon is on track to beat its total number of kills from last tour (islands map). But it is not on track to beat its total number of kills from the lake map... you know.. back when there were F4u-1Cs too.
The Spit IX and N1K2 now have a dispraportionate ammount of kills in the MA. Not necessarily due to a massive increase in use, but rather a massive decrease in total kills.
Most of what is happening right now is 20% of the arena is trying to figure out to do now that their ride has been pulled out from under them. Very curious to see what happens.
That said, I wonder what most other dedicated pilots in this arena would do if their favorite rides were pulled out from under THEM.
AKDejaVu
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu:
That said, I wonder what most other dedicated pilots in this arena would do if their favorite rides were pulled out from under THEM.
AKDejaVu
If there was a twin at the hangar with very effective main weapons and better A/G loadout, I definitely would fly it (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
And I agree with you that the numbers we see now dont prove too much because it is too soon to say it.
But as the thing is going, there is nothing new with the N1K2 and Spit getting all those kills. They are getting just the same as in previous TODs. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
[This message has been edited by R4M (edited 05-03-2001).]
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Not this early in the TOD they didn't. Do you even track this stuff? If you extrapolate the data, you gonna be surprised. Heck, in 1 day the n1k has increased its kill margin by over 100 over the spitix. lol, this is going to be fun to watch when you guys try to take 2 aircraft out, hehehe.
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu:
The typhoon is on track to beat its total number of kills from last tour (islands map). But it is not on track to beat its total number of kills from the lake map... you know.. back when there were F4u-1Cs too.
The Spit IX and N1K2 now have a dispraportionate ammount of kills in the MA. Not necessarily due to a massive increase in use, but rather a massive decrease in total kills.
Most of what is happening right now is 20% of the arena is trying to figure out to do now that their ride has been pulled out from under them. Very curious to see what happens.
That said, I wonder what most other dedicated pilots in this arena would do if their favorite rides were pulled out from under THEM.
AKDejaVu
Fly all the other planes that are in the game what a novel idea (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) Wouldn't affect me very much I fly them all.
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Verkaaft's mei Gwand `I foahr in himmel!
Sell my clothes I am going to Heaven!
[This message has been edited by AG Sachsenberg (edited 05-03-2001).]
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mr. t vs. sailor moon...
http://www.usinternet.com/users/kyledrake/mistert/ (http://www.usinternet.com/users/kyledrake/mistert/)
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don't know abought the rest of ya but this is getting kinda old (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
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DRILL
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Roger that, Drill.
How about a moratorium until the end of this tour? Deja can then put up the Fighter V Fighter stats and THEN the ...
"DID NOT!"
"DID TOO!"
can begin in real earnest!
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Originally posted by R4M:
If there was a twin at the hangar with very effective main weapons and better A/G loadout, I definitely would fly it (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
[This message has been edited by R4M (edited 05-03-2001).]
So.....you are saying that you prefer planes with machine guns over planes with cannons, right?
Good...we got your C202 waiting for ya! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Originally posted by sling322:
So.....you are saying that you prefer planes with machine guns over planes with cannons, right?
Good...we got your C202 waiting for ya! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
1-I fly LW only (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
2-C202 is italian
3-C202 is not quite a 190's twin (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I've said it and I repeat it, give me four 50 cals for my Dora and Fw190A5, and six 50 cals for the Fw190A8 and I will never ever fly the Mauser-fitted ones again.
[edit]yes, I like the 50 cals over the mausers. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) [/edit]
[This message has been edited by R4M (edited 05-03-2001).]
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pft
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Deja, perk the G10, I wouldn't mind. Perk the A5, D9 as well. A8 is a bit of a stretch, but ok.
As long as I have one of the A models of the 190 series or the g2, I'm happy enough.
Down goes that argument (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif).
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Von Santa
Staffelkapitän 9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
"If you return from a mission with a victory, but without your Rottenflieger, you have lost your battle."
- D. Hrabak, JG 54 "Grünherz"
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The A5? PERK THE A5?
Gentlemen,my CO is drunk. possibly he has taken too much LSD aswell. Please dont believe a thing he says. He is insane. That is. Insane.
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AKdejaVu now its the LW who run?
I really hope in your stats it shows you to have been a p51d flyer but i cant check them can i AKDejaVu doesnt exist in scores (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
Do you realise ALL LW flyers could not catch a p51d for over a YEAR of playing and did they run ? YOU BET YOUR bellybutton THEY DID.
I dont run deja i might disengage from a superior force or to regain lost height.I might run home if damaged bad enough but i dont see that as unusual.If this is just another snide label you have decided to put on me and others who fly an aircraft in a game then you trully are living up to my veiw of you.
All i see is you trying to make trouble in every post i read.not always so childish as some but you always have a snide anti lw slant to every post you do.
its getting old and a bit annoying for me.Not at being called names but just having to scroll past the toejame you put up about me and others like me who fly a type of plane.
To be honest AKDejaVu i only fly one side (axis/allied) for the fun of being the bad guy and maybe playing the fool for fun by talking comical german with stsanta etc.
I like to see missions with all american or british or LW because it LOOKS good.Its all in fun and you are killing it for me.
Ive tried to understand that you get annoyed at people but stop all the crap
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Hazed
3./JG2 (http://members.home.net/winyah999/3jg2.htm)
[This message has been edited by hazed- (edited 05-03-2001).]
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Hazed, they aren't called "hunstangs" because it's a cute label.....
-SW
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Originally posted by R4M:
BTW I have not noticed less pilots in the Main arena. What I've noted is that the Chog wich I found avoided the HO. Except one who tried to vulch me as I was taking off, and he lost 8 perkies (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Yup, perking the chog hasn't completely eliminated it's use by dweebs. I was grabbing from a friendly base when I saw a chog below me. As I attacked he reversed and tried to HO me. I did an early turn and pulled towards his 6. Then I noticed a C47 below us inbd our base. I broke off the F4 and dove for the C47. The chog dweeb turned tail and ran away as I attacked his helpless country mate.
After I downed the C47 I chased the chog to a friendly base where he dove through the ack to vultch a friendly (SwoopGB) taking off. Swoop avoided him and gave him some lead (delivered at high velocity) at which point the ack finished him off.
Result: Only F4 seen in 1.5 hours of MA action ran from a fight, failed to protect a friendly C47 and was shot down while trying to vulch.
Conclusion: Dweebs CAN afford to fly the perked bird and do so. Therefore, enjoy the fact that when you now shoot down an F4 dweeb, you get even more perk points than before. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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"That was some of the best flying I've seen yet, right up until the point where you got killed."
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Well I keep on seeing fair numbers of Chogs flying around. I've fought a couple of em just tonight, and both fights were VERY good. Used to the HO crap that those planes used to pull all day long is a quite welcome change (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif).
of three fights I had against them today I won two and was killed the third. All three -while not antological (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)- good and well fought fights.
The plane is there, in good numbers. Now it pulls ACM.
I definitely like the change (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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AKdejaVu now its the LW who run?
I really hope in your stats it shows you to have been a p51d flyer but i cant check them can i AKDejaVu doesnt exist in scores
Check under AKDjV.
No need to check on P-51 flying, I don't do much of it. Can't have more than 20 kills since I started playing AH in a P-51.
BTW.. nice to point out the ONE allied plane that was faster than your LW stuff. The G-10 and 190's have been running since I can remember. Wasn't until the Dora came out that they could catch the one US plane that could out-run them... and added one plane that nobody could catch without a perk.
Strange thing is.. I don't hear nearly as much complaining about this. Its not that it doesn't happen. A usual engagement with a Dora involves "get jumped, he misses (usually a HO attempt) and runs away". A G-10 engagement usually involves a G-10 way above you diving down then running back to alt. If you come on one co-alt, its gone.
I'm not knocking these styles... its a matter of patience. Just don't pretend that the P-51 seemingly has the running market cornered. Its a distant second at best.. barely holding on to that spot.
Do you realise ALL LW flyers could not catch a p51d for over a YEAR of playing and did they run ? YOU BET YOUR bellybutton THEY DID.
Now that they can catch a P-51, they spend more time running from it than catching it.
People want the fastest plane so they can get away from things, not so they can catch them. LW always brought this up when P-51 was fastest. LW has selective memory in regards to this now that the Dora beats it.
BTW, the use of "LW" is a generic term to describe the vocal LW enthusiasts and doesn't include everyone that flies these planes. Only those that are more than happy to point it out to you.
AKDejaVu
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu:
BTW, the use of "LW" is a generic term to describe the vocal LW enthusiasts and doesn't include everyone that flies these planes. Only those that are more than happy to point it out to you.
AKDejaVu
I am a vocal LW enthusiast and I think I am well known because, if humanly possible I --ALWAYS-- stay in the fight. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Tho sometimes I wish I didnt because that way I'd live more (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
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Bah Djv, ask yer friend AKNimitz how the LW fights. I've been engaged by him and engaged him more than once. On one occasion I had alt, and believe me I dinnae run when I lost the advantage; I attempted to saddle up.
In the end, I overshot, tried to rope him, he shot my engine ou and as I came over the top I shot HIS engine out.
Both started to rtb thankful to be alive and wondering why the other stupid arse 190 dinnae finish one off (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif).
The G10 does very well against 90% of the pplanes in AH. It has problems with the YAK and LA-7, but other than that I'm usually not very concerned when facing a co alt con (that is, I think offensively rather than defensively).
It's not a very good plane on the defensive. Poor hi speed handling, poor roll rate makes it easy to hit. Its advantages wouldbe speed, climb rate and acceleration. Against a faster N1K or Spit that's saddled up, surviving gives you a "wow" feeling.
Gotta agree with the Hunstang comment though. But you must remember that these people are InstaLW converts, just as I predicted. LW gained following when the D9 came, just as they did when the A5 was SNAFU'd.
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Von Santa
Staffelkapitän 9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
"If you return from a mission with a victory, but without your Rottenflieger, you have lost your battle."
- D. Hrabak, JG 54 "Grünherz"
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LOL! LW pilots always remember the time they stayed and faught (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
AKDejaVu
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I gotta question? Again (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I hear alot of statistics as far as how many kills a certain plane has at the end of a tour or what have you. Has anyone noticed a great increase in the number of players that come aboard? Or is the number of players always roughly the same because of turnover as pilots leave the community? Whether there is a difference or not, is that factored into the number of kills a certain AC gets? Or is that data difficult to model due to it's complexity. AKDejaVu you would probably be the best person to answer this question. So I guess I am asking you. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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IMO, if some players are dweeb enough to quit because chog was perked, let them.
Maybe Hitech can build a chog only game for them.. TEH CHOG ARENNA!
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu:
...is having less F4u-1Cs in the arena worth the sacrifice caused by having less pilots in the arena?
Did you meant some people quit because of perking of C-Hog?
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DejaVu, IMO, a good pilot should know his plane and the enemy plane characteristics and suppose, always, the other guy is at least as good as him.
In the case of P51 vs D9, the 51 is almost as fast, outrolls the D9 at hi speeds and outturns and outguns the D9 at any speed. If D9 is on defensive, the logical move is to run away looking for a better chance to get on ofensive (perfect defensive move).
In the case of D9 vs SpitV with the D9 on ofensive pos, the logical evasive move of the spit will be to keep turning on a dime and negating the D9 shots ans waiting for a good chance to get on ofensive. Both moves, Spit turning or D9 extending have the same effect, but some of you call the turning a "combatant "and the extending plane a "runner".
Suppose D9 pilots will stop taking advantage of their top speed when SpitV pilots stop taking advantage of their turning radius.
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Did you meant some people quit because of perking of C-Hog?
I don't know if people quit or not. If they did, they did so quietly... in a manner much different that most complaining about the plane.
I do believe many people aren't flying as much. Take that for what its worth.
In the case of P51 vs D9, the 51 is almost as fast, outrolls the D9 at hi speeds and outturns and outguns the D9 at any speed. If D9 is on defensive, the logical move is to run away looking for a better chance to get on ofensive (perfect defensive move).
LOL Mandoble, I don't have any problem with using a planes strengths and weaknesses. I notice planes separating mainly because I can't catch them. The part I find incredibly ironic is that Mustang pilots have been criticized for using that planes strengths for quite some time. Then the LW gets the Dora and its all right.
Jebo44,
Most of the turnover I've seen has come from boredom of some kind. If we go over a month, people start to grumble about how horrible something is and then find an excuse to quit. We get a new release (especially a major release like 1.06) and people come flooding back.. for a month or two (this time 3)... then the cycle starts all over again.
Some are just more vocal about doing it than others.
AKDejaVu
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Thanks AKDejaVU (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) <S>