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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: kmeyers on March 24, 2001, 05:04:00 AM
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I have recently heard some big AW squads wanted to move over to Aces High but only if they get a discounted group rate of $15. I think this would be totally unfair to those who've shown support by already paying to play Aces High at its current rate. I fear that if these would-be new players are granted the discount that they are requesting it would also be destructive to the AH community as a whole unless every member of every squadron is also given the same lowered rate. AH also has enormous squads and they are the ones who have worked to make this community what it is now. Any sort of cut-rate fee should be spread to all of AH's squadrons or to none of them.
I don't normally share email with those it was not addressed to but I am so disgusted about this issue that I decided you all needed to see it.
>Nomads and friends ... I have been informed that negotiations are imminent. A group of our AW comrads have taken it upon themselves to try and get a group rate for entry into ACES HIGH. The figure discussed at this moment is $15.. Now none of this is decided but if it happens do you want to be on the list?? If so, reply with your name and cpid in the body of the letter so that I may easily copy it to a list.. You may send the names of others if you wish. Please dont give this email to others . I would prefer if you have names to add to the list that you would personally add to your letter.
Im just looking for a goodtime in the cyber skies.:}:}
>Just a note, We have been discussing this in depth with Damned members.
As we approach this, we must make sure we dont royally piss off the existing AH people, so we have decided that negotiations for price redux is confidential, and we need to keep it tight and close to our chests as we negotiate, and especially if we succeed and enter the arenas.
I know you all don't need to be told, but I at least wanted you to know how we are approaching this. Thanks, looking forward to taking over the world (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) ROC
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Too obvious. Wrap the worm better next time (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
-W
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What's this AW to which you refer? The land that flight modeling forgot?
[This message has been edited by funked (edited 03-24-2001).]
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Originally posted by Westy:
Too obvious. Wrap the worm better next time (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
-W
This is not a troll, Ken. This was posted with complete sincerity. If need be, I'll post names and e-mails of those concerned if it will prove my point. What these guys want to do is just plain wrong, and it undermines this community.
KM
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Won't happen.
This BB would be filled with angry 'I quit' posts within 30 seconds of such a deal being signed.
But then again, how would we know the dirty deal was done? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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This is not a troll, Ken. This was posted with complete sincerity. If need be, I'll post names and e-mails of those concerned if it will prove my point. What these guys want to do is just plain wrong, and it undermines this community.
KM
Well "KM". Wouldn't you be Kelly Meyers the head of the EA/Gamestorm game-ops? A payed employee of a competitor? Only he would call me by my first name under these circumstances. I don't even think anyone here even knows my first name let alones uses it. If so I see a huge breach of etiquette in what you've done. Otherwise that's why I called you a troll. And being how you may be apt to really PISS off alot of people by posting that personal email that you claim to have been sent around. Tthere could be no positive brung about by this post. Well, other than forcing some folks to have to stay with AW or go to Fighter Ace. Hence this smelled fishy due to the sore subject matter, the very questionable posting name and that if true you're about to ruin alot of peoples day by ruining these "negotiations" as it will piss off a boatload of currently paying customers here and at the least pissing off alot of your frien___, er potentially ex-customers, who had hopes of "moving up."
So say it's true. A bunch of AWiers appear to be asking HTC for a cheaper rate. I do not see form your post where HTC has approached you folks or answered anyone at all. Being negotiated could mean that someone from the Nomads and the Damned have emailed HTC asking for this. And that is all I see. Doesn't sound like "negotiations" at all unless someone at HTC answered that "they were all ears, what did you folks have in mind" or even counter offered. So I call your bluuff and say 'pony' up your incriminating emails.
You would have been better off waiting to have something in email from HTC before blowing your cork.
As it is, if this IS Kelly Meyers aka "Culero" from EA I see major ulterior motive here. This is a hostile and belligerent act. You don't give a rats bellybutton about the Nomads, the Damned or the AH community. You're here to stir up a toejam storm in hopes of saving a little bit of AW to keep yourself secure.
AW is dead. It's on artificial life support from here on in till someone finally tosses the switch.. So I gotta chuckle a bit when in reality there is really no room for 'negotiations' as I see it. Now it's either join here, less of a sim at iEN for .16 cents less per day than AH or for a real aracade, along AW's line, there is The Zone for $10.
I think at the most HTC should offer each indivdual member of these squad members a free 60 day account. Then they have choice of paying what the rest here do for the new or go back to, well, going back to what folks used to play, years ago.
-Westy
[This message has been edited by Westy (edited 03-24-2001).]
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If HTC is in any such negotiations, I say good for them. I hope they are successful if it helps them get a larger player base and ensure long term viability and profitability.
This practice is used all the time in the business world. Everywhere, all the time. I work for a large airline. Like all airlines, my company negotiates group discounts with large companies and travel groups. Just because we strike a deal with one group doesnt mean every traveler gets the same discounted rate. I can guarantee that on any particular flight, there will be people going from the same "point a" to "point b" and there will be many differantly priced tickets on that plane.
I dont know if HTC is doing this, and I doubt they would care to discuss it, their business is their business but I say "go for it and good luck".
I accepted the price they charge me, and find it a good value for me when I consider cost/value. I am not going to get all whiny about what it takes to make the company grow and prosper, it just helps ensure this game I enjoy will stay around for a long time.
Dago
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again we are reminded of the promised 'investigation into trying to reduce the price'.
Well HTC what happened? are we due for a reduction?
I like AH so much i have gone back on my word over the pricing issue but when there is a choice of games on the market im not so sure what id do(eg WW2ol)
Please dont wait until WW2ol arrives before you change your pricing policy.This will make it look like you are trying to grab every cent you can out of your customers before the competition arrives.I hope you are better than that.
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3./JG2 (http://members.home.net/winyah999/3jg2.htm)
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Let me preface this by saying I have heard not a thing about this alleged discount posibility, and that I know nothing about its validity. That said, why is it that theres always someone squeakin and moanin that "its not fair"
Do you scream out in anger at the grocery store when the person in front of you has a coupon? Do you interogate the ticket agent when you fly on an airline to be sure not one person on that plane got a better deal that you? If HT finds they can turn a prifit and make AH a better place by lowing the price for a group, then so be it. A much more likely arrangment would be to offer a discounted rate for a few months. This way you set the hook so to speak. They old AW crowd gets to experience AH, and pays only $9.95 for the first 2 months, then it moves to full price or something.
FACT OF LIFE #1: Life is not always fair, and in business the person selling the goods or service has the right to sell his wares for the best price he can get. You as the consumer have the right to choose not to pay. Its call the right of voteamus-withimus-feetimus.
FACT OF LIFE #2: A group will almost always garner a more favorable price than a single person.
FACT OF LIFE #3: There isnt much chance of any sizable number of AW fans playing Aces High for any length of time. There just isnt enough similarity in the games. In AW 99% of those who play, do so in the relaxed realism arena, and even the full realism arena doesnt hold a candle to Aces High. Most AW players would get thouroughly dicouraged very quickly. All this is assuming that they had computers with enough horse power to play AH.
All in all, I just dont see more than a small percentage of AW people playing AH for very long.
WHO STARTS THIS RUMORS ANYWAY....they should pay tripple!
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2Late4U
I guess you have a problem with the AW type of folk. From what I hear there are some FR AW flyers in AH that are kicking some serious butt. Just maybe use some thought on your next post and try not to use such a broad brush to paint a group of people. Some people just don't have the time to put into flying AH much less AW anymore. That doesn't mean that they can't handle AH or that AH is a better sim.
+Demo
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[This message has been edited by +Demo (edited 03-24-2001).]
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This is the new buisness ethic at EA?
Christ Kelly, you really are a culero. Right or wrong, this is simply none of your buisness, and it's no more fitting you should come here with this type of divisive post than Hi-tech coming on to the EA boards (should they be up at the time) and poking fun at the B-17 flight model or the fact that the AW fairey reaches up to pull the wings off a Spit doing more than 425 IAS.
What's your aim? Do you think that by causing a comunity uproar over here that masses will quit and join AW? Think again, most would fly Fighter Ace rather than do that. Why don't you just settle back into Moggy's chair, try GE's boots to see if you like the fit, and work on improving AW. That's your only route, not this type of low tactic.
+Demo, don't be an ass. You know full well that most the fliers here are ex WB and that their insecure about being flooded with ex-AW'ers, as we would have been if the roles had been reversed. The guy has a small point; most of AW IS RR. That don't mean we can't kick but we we land here (or at least I would if I could kick that high. So far I'm just kicking 'em in the shins).
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I hope HiTech and Pyro would look at anything that they thought would be good for there simulation seriously. We all know that multiple copies of software liceincing is common in business, this is similar. If It allows them to be more profitable then in the long run it is better for us all. These guys are not the "run of the mill" single minded profiteers some try and make them out to be. If they were they probably wouldn't be in this niche of the market. They love what they do and I hope they make as much as they can and are happy doing it!!
BY THE WAY... IF THEY DON'T PAY THE BILLS....WE DON'T PLAY!
(http://www.13thtas.com/images/sig/thsig.jpg)
[This message has been edited by Thunder (edited 03-24-2001).]
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Originally posted by kmeyers:
Thank you Kelly...for proving to one and all just how right I was about you...
and you had the nerve to berate ME about losing YOUR trust...you're disgusting.
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If the above "claim" is true, WTG HT for trying to build your base with serious, qualified pilots! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) I have absolutely NO problem with promotions intended to attract new AH pilots. Why? It's simple-
The more money HTC makes, the happier and more productive the staff is. They can afford to hire more programmers/artists and Aces High will be even better in the future. That wil allow us to increase the # of AWiers this superior product will siphon off in the future, with or without a promotion! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Re: kmeyers' post, that was a really pathetic attempt to divide our community. I think you'll find that rather than having your desired effect, we shall now rally around the HTC flag. And we heartily welcome any and all former AWiers into our humble fold...
Provide they fly Knight. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Regards,
BB
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Hmm... if they do get that discount, add my name to that squad. Sheesh. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/mad.gif)
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I dont have a problem with it....as long as the established squads get the same sort of deal on down the line.......
I would also HOPE! that instead of doing a cloak and dagger type thing.(like the last priceing scheme) We are kept informed in some way of whats going on. We will find out anyway so why not be up front about it? Its the suprises that piss me off not the trying to make bizness better.
I would welcome ANY AW squads over here and I know they have some damn good pilots. We have a few in our squad and they can fly with any of the WB's pilots. I say the more the merrier!
LLB OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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LOL!
Guys, Kelly don't go by 'Culero' for nothing (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Between him and me, we've had our ups and downs thru the years. But he can certainly live up to his callsign, and he's proud of it.
FYI those who are wondering what "culero" means, its "amazinhunk" in spanish (or is it more texmex?). Either way, same results.
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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure
[This message has been edited by Vermillion (edited 03-24-2001).]
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I don't get it. Game goes under, and their flyers get a discount? I was never offered this kind of rate and I came from another flight sim. Pay the flat rate or go somewhere else, what makes them so special they deserve it? If this is true, which I am not sure it is, then this is a slap in the face to all the AH'ers that supported this game for so long. More pilots is great for a sim however, we will be getting the "Blue Light Special Flyers"
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Sturm6 StaffelKapitän
JV44 Platzschutzstaffel
Airfield Defense Squadron
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The person that posted information on AH in reference to “some big AW squads wanted to move over to Aces High but only if they get a discounted group rate of $15” is also a paid employee of EA (Electronic Arts) for the on line game of Air Warrior. So you can see where he is going with this. Talk about a “childish” reaction to folks that want to sign up with AH. Why would someone from a rival game post anything in here AH you must ask yourself. This person represents EA and they allow their employees to act like this? One has to wonder.
Alan aka Glint
Originally posted by kmeyers:
I have recently heard some big AW squads wanted to move over to Aces High but only if they get a discounted group rate of $15. I think this would be totally unfair to those who've shown support by already paying to play Aces High at its current rate. I fear that if these would-be new players are granted the discount that they are requesting it would also be destructive to the AH community as a whole unless every member of every squadron is also given the same lowered rate. AH also has enormous squads and they are the ones who have worked to make this community what it is now. Any sort of cut-rate fee should be spread to all of AH's squadrons or to none of them.
I don't normally share email with those it was not addressed to but I am so disgusted about this issue that I decided you all needed to see it.
>Nomads and friends ... I have been informed that negotiations are imminent. A group of our AW comrads have taken it upon themselves to try and get a group rate for entry into ACES HIGH. The figure discussed at this moment is $15.. Now none of this is decided but if it happens do you want to be on the list?? If so, reply with your name and cpid in the body of the letter so that I may easily copy it to a list.. You may send the names of others if you wish. Please dont give this email to others . I would prefer if you have names to add to the list that you would personally add to your letter.
Im just looking for a goodtime in the cyber skies.:}:}
>Just a note, We have been discussing this in depth with Damned members.
As we approach this, we must make sure we dont royally piss off the existing AH people, so we have decided that negotiations for price redux is confidential, and we need to keep it tight and close to our chests as we negotiate, and especially if we succeed and enter the arenas.
I know you all don't need to be told, but I at least wanted you to know how we are approaching this. Thanks, looking forward to taking over the world (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) ROC
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There are several ways to play without pay.
HT konws for sure.
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Kelly... Shut the #$%^ up you idiot.
TUMOR
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What a bunch of crap. AH invaded BW with propaganda on the agenda when this more then expensive game came out. I think I can find the original post if you like. If your gonna call crap crap then look in the mirror.
Again, these same folks are awful high and mighty around back up, but alone you can pick out all the holes.
I tried the game, it's very nice looking, has *some* nice art. However you won't get $30 out of me for just a sim, that will be run of the mill in the next 6-12 months. The art will soon be very common.
Along with that, the flight model feels like you're bouncing on a wire, you imagine it's wind if your imagination runs wild, but it's not at all simulating wind current. it's just bouncing aimlessly
Sure I would like to fly the game,, it's pretty, nice eye candy, but for $30 it ain't worth 2 cents to me.
Too bad.
I don't see anything wrong in asking for lower prices, it's WAY over priced. A lot of my friends fly the game, but I still am not going to pay that much to one of the most expensive sims online.
WB flyers may be true, but you have just as many AW fliers here as well. A lot came from the propganda in BW which you and westy brought into the place to transfer the player base to AH, now the other way around, it's not nice? give me a friggin break. Even IF that was his ploy which I don't think it was.
What goes around comes around.
Maybe you read what you wanted to read from his post and not what he actually said. Think about what he said and what your saying and try to put the 2 together.
I like both you guys but some times, just sometimes, your opinions are over bearing and way off course.
BTW Westy you may want to venture to BW for a message from Moggy.
Animal
Originally posted by Seeker:
This is the new buisness ethic at EA?
Christ Kelly, you really are a culero. Right or wrong, this is simply none of your buisness, and it's no more fitting you should come here with this type of divisive post than Hi-tech coming on to the EA boards (should they be up at the time) and poking fun at the B-17 flight model or the fact that the AW fairey reaches up to pull the wings off a Spit doing more than 425 IAS.
What's your aim? Do you think that by causing a comunity uproar over here that masses will quit and join AW? Think again, most would fly Fighter Ace rather than do that. Why don't you just settle back into Moggy's chair, try GE's boots to see if you like the fit, and work on improving AW. That's your only route, not this type of low tactic.
+Demo, don't be an ass. You know full well that most the fliers here are ex WB and that their insecure about being flooded with ex-AW'ers, as we would have been if the roles had been reversed. The guy has a small point; most of AW IS RR. That don't mean we can't kick but we we land here (or at least I would if I could kick that high. So far I'm just kicking 'em in the shins).
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I am not a member of the AH community as of yet and have been a longstanding member of Airwarrior for almost 6 years.
I can tell you this much...one of the reasons behind people playing Airwarrior over AH (besides their longstanding friendships and the tight knit community) is the fact that they could afford the $9.95 a month to play.
I myself plan on becoming a member of the community, but I have no qualms paying the full price to support the product and I would imagine there are many others that feel the same. I would even be willing to pay an additional fee in order to help those that can't afford it.
Instead of arguing over discounts and rates...maybe you should all be discussing the future of a kick bellybutton flightsim that will flourish tremendously with the addition of several hundred experienced flightsim pilots.
Look to the future...with a larger player base HiTech may just be able to lower the rates across the board. It's a wise business move IMHO.
What HAS happened here is a PAID employee of EA, who has NO interest in this community or the game has come here to voice his "concern" about AH members being duped by HiTech?
Now how many of you actually feel that this is the case...that he came here...never playing the game before and not being a part of the community, and all this after a large group of Airwarriors up and left because of the changes EA had made. Do you really think his "concern" is with this community?
Again...I'm not really a part of this community so I can't say...and my opinion of Kelly Meyers is definately biased as I have personal experiences with him as a former volunteer staff member of Airwarrior and him being my boss, but I can tell you this...his post is nothing more than a means to "get revenge" at the Airwarrior community and in the same breath cause friction in the Airwarrior...Hitech...AH triangle.
Don't let him do it guys...
Kelly is losing his grip on a group of people that he likes to boss around to make himself feel like a man...and this is something he just can't bear.
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Animal. I appreciate your help to support my long standing theory that $10/mo does a community body no good.
I would like to point out one glaring error in your blither. I am a player in these sims/games. Always have been, always will be. I am not an employee of HTC and I never have been an employee of HTC. Same went for AW when I used to expound on it's values...back when I felt it had some.
As for the threats from Moggy? Yes. I have
all three of them. And saved on disc.
Take care of that war wound <taps side of head> ya hear and go back to re-arranging the chairs on the Titanic Animal. <S>
-Westy
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Originally posted by Animal -FT:
(anti AH propaganda snipped)
"Even IF that was his ploy which I don't think it was."
Yanno Animal...just when I thought you finally had that crane extract your head from Kelly's rectum...you prove me wrong.
Incidentally everyone...Animal is a staff member of Airwarrior and Kelly's little sidekick...
So what exactly was Kelly's ploy? Was he showing true concern for a community that he has NOTHING to do with?
Hrmmm...I always thought Kelly was supposed to be this guy that was "on the players side." Kinda looks to me like he walked right in and screwed over EVERY Airwarrior that trying to move here by making them unwelcome.
Not to mention the fact that he posted a PRIVATE email.
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Glint ol pal, I like ya like hell but,.
maybe he's not going to be there much longer.
Maybe he's looking for a new home, such as you've just done. I think you're a great guy, but us former-volunteer staff are too upset to present realistic views. One thing you need to remember is upper EA JOs made this call not kelly. Would you stop feeding your family just because your *freinds* were let go>? I think not, life preservation takes over at some point. You being who you are in RL should know this.
Again, I admire you as a person, but think about other folks finding a home just like you just did. could it be>?
just sayin bud, we're in the same boat here, we just have different views.
I think EA is choking this one down hard. they made some of the worst moves I've ever seen someone make. And maxwels silver hammer it poking them in the eye as we speak.
Lets face some basic facts of life here, the folks who are so upset here with AW is because the game was sooooo dear to them, and big money came in with promises, and when they suckkkked us all dry for info they kicked us to the curb, and took something they know nothing about,, and trashed it.
ALL Sims strive to have what AW has, and thats a real functioning community. Everyone tries to simulate it but things like that just can't be duplicated. The game is still going to be upgraded with AW4 coding. AW gave this game (AH) reason to even exist.
AH folks should be glorified for the false rumors that AW is dead. But don't let it fool you. With the coding from Aw4 Aw3 is about to give them a run for their money. Just the coding update alone is going to put AW up with if not beyond.
The thing is with Maxwells Silver Hammer hanging over head, they are forced to come out with it even faster, hence a blessing in disguise. Could be, we'll see. I can't beleive folks who care more about thier wallet then the passion of their work. But i ain't bailing just yet. ;-) In fact that is the same thing here,.. $30,. come on folks $30?
EA suits are NOT on top of my cool people list, but folks like Kelly and Mage are. I don't mix the 2, they are different.
Just aimlessly posting as I always do ;-)
Animal
(from the Ihavenomorals tribe)
Originally posted by Glint:
The person that posted information on AH in reference to “some big AW squads wanted to move over to Aces High but only if they get a discounted group rate of $15” is also a paid employee of EA (Electronic Arts) for the on line game of Air Warrior. So you can see where he is going with this. Talk about a “childish” reaction to folks that want to sign up with AH. Why would someone from a rival game post anything in here AH you must ask yourself. This person represents EA and they allow their employees to act like this? One has to wonder.
Alan aka Glint
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Heh.
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Price is always a concern. I don't blame the AW players for trying to get a deal. But giving it to them would be an afront to the existing player base. I can see a couple of ways around this:
(a) A special "AW: A kill has been recorded" promotion for a month or two whereby the monthly rate drops to like $20 across the board to foster a migration here instead of to WB.
(b) A "refer a dweeb" program where both referred and referrer get $10 off (only one per customer) for their first month or two of billing. This would make existing AH players want to bring in their AW buddies, plus allow squads to join and get a break.
I think (b) would be the best option since it's a program which could be kept in place a long while.
-DoK
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Hehe Westy.
Don't get me wrong, although I often am.
I am one pissed MO FO.
I agree with a lot you say, there is some logic there. Most often I am better read from between the lines. Granted $10 a month does not cover what it takes to pay programmers etc.. to make a justifiable upgrade or game. AH relys on one game, that I know of, I can see where they HAVE to charge a lot, and it IS a lot. But point being. Both Kesmai and Ea have other games to support the sim. If EA does in fact have 200k players on UO, then the money isn't a problem as much. The problem is is HOW they use it. IF EA sticks to their plan of attack AW is in fact doomed, unless the AW4 coding does what they say it will do.
Though I understand your reasoning well, I can't justify to myself to pay that much.
The thng is when you lower prices you get more player hence maybe making more money then charging high prices, $30 is a lot to some. For folks like myself who has had all money I will ever have stripped from me $30 is a lot. You know of my hard roads, I wish I could afford the $30. truely, I gues I'll just have to watch from the side lines.
Unless someone wants to pay for tech support. <G>. I ain't never doing it for free again.
Not trying to patch the titanic, I just hope they patch it before I drownd lol
Animal
Originally posted by Westy:
Animal. I appreciate your help to support my long standing theory that $10/mo does a community body no good.
I would like to point out one glaring error in your blither. I am a player in these sims/games. Always have been, always will be. I am not an employee of HTC and I never have been an employee of HTC. Same went for AW when I used to expound on it's values...back when I felt it had some.
As for the threats from Moggy? Yes. I have
all three of them. And saved on disc.
Take care of that war wound <taps side of head> ya hear and go back to re-arranging the chairs on the Titanic Animal. <S>
-Westy
[This message has been edited by Westy (edited 03-24-2001).]
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Kewl thread,( bites into sandwich)
Hiyas Kelly ( waves)Tell mage i said hello, Hiyas Westy <S>,
Hey Brat (FYYFF)
(waves at the Lurkers, Yes.. YOU!)
Maybe MOST people are from WB, but I know many, many from AW that have been here since day one ( myself included). So don't fear the AW'ers we've been hear in force all along.
I've worked under the hand of Mr. Meyers and the crew and got along fine. But I also saw the writing on the wall years ago. I, as many others that left the AW community still have a place in our hearts for AW. I've never Trash talked WB, or AW here or on their home BB's, althou i know there are some that do. I do extend my respect, and in turn expect the same.
Kelly, i wish the best for ya's over there, you seam to have a full plate now.
To steal a phrase from your boss
"My game, My rules." I hope HTC makes the right decision on this toejam stirring.
Good day, god bless, and stay off my 12, cause I'm an ex AW and I KICK bellybutton in AH!!!!!
NUTTZ (Rash)
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Nope wrong again. ;-0
What you don't understand Brat is that I was asked to work for them not vise versa, by VET a long time ago. Since I was more tech support then anything else, I rarely had conctact with Kelly. Beside that he is a friend in or outside the game. True enough, just because he treats me decent and vise versa it doesn't mean I have my nose up anyones ass. Kelly himself will tell you that himself.
what you don't tell people is WHY you had conflict with Kelly, wasn't it that you ejected players after intising them into a argument while you were arena staff, I'm not sure but I KNOW there is more to the story then you present. Or was it your "Im going to show all staff how I think it should be done , everyone is stupid but me"
theroy.
For those of who don't know. Brat has had it in for me every since he walked the tight rope with a stupid joke he let get way out of hand. Brats theroy is to test folks on how much crap he can start before they come down on him, and when they do, you better run for a box of kleenex cause he's about to start stomping his feet and waving his arms ainlessly screaming they are all out to get me.
Hence the CPID Brat say it all.
You just like leaving those tiny bits of information out.
nuff said.
Brat will never give up on me until he finds a way to get over real good.
next he will prolly resort to an old thread that westy would prolly understand more then himself. That I Threatened all of BW. lolol... funny, all Isaid basically was that that smart mouth would not last 2 seconds with me in person. I'm sure he will dig up more edited snips to TRY to prove his point, but it's moot when you know the whole situation. he will make it sound like something it's not. so have at it brat I opened the gates for yas. But iguess he won't mention that he and his side kick dweebles bombed my mail box because their JOKE didn't go over well with a LOT of folks.
brat has a hardon for certain people he lives in the past, and whines about the future. Soon you will all be wrong and he will be right, mark my words. <G>
The guy trys to tell me about the Tech Industry when I was in it before he even hit high school, prolly even middle school. Yet after 23 years I know nothing about it> one break please.
Animal
(from the therearenolngerleashesaroundm yneck tribe)
Originally posted by Brat:
(anti AH propaganda snipped)
"Even IF that was his ploy which I don't think it was."
Yanno Animal...just when I thought you finally had that crane extract your head from Kelly's rectum...you prove me wrong.
Incidentally everyone...Animal is a staff member of Airwarrior and Kelly's little sidekick...
So what exactly was Kelly's ploy? Was he showing true concern for a community that he has NOTHING to do with?
Hrmmm...I always thought Kelly was supposed to be this guy that was "on the players side." Kinda looks to me like he walked right in and screwed over EVERY Airwarrior that trying to move here by making them unwelcome.
Not to mention the fact that he posted a PRIVATE email.
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Ahh how refreshing, a mature outlook and idea
WTG DOK
<S>
Animal
Originally posted by DoKtor GonZo:
Price is always a concern. I don't blame the AW players for trying to get a deal. But giving it to them would be an afront to the existing player base. I can see a couple of ways around this:
(a) A special "AW: A kill has been recorded" promotion for a month or two whereby the monthly rate drops to like $20 across the board to foster a migration here instead of to WB.
(b) A "refer a dweeb" program where both referred and referrer get $10 off (only one per customer) for their first month or two of billing. This would make existing AH players want to bring in their AW buddies, plus allow squads to join and get a break.
I think (b) would be the best option since it's a program which could be kept in place a long while.
-DoK
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Originally posted by Animal -FT:
(complete garbage that has no bearing or relevance in this thread and was nothing more than a personal attack against me snipped)
Interesting...highly misinformed...I give it a 2.
No need to bring up any of your past performances here Animal (the people who you threatened in emails are actually members of this community)...you're doing a fine job of making a total bellybutton of yourself without my help.
Even though all your comments about me are complete and total fabrications...I don't really think the AH community is interested in hearing the truth...so I'll spare them and get this conversation back on track.
Kelly came in here and posted a private email with his concerns about price breaks for Airwarrior...and this was all done from a paying job at EA.
Kind of sums it all up huh?
bye
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As I suspected, people are already not carefully reading stuff in this thread, and are assuming that HTC is actually seriously entertaining or IN negotiations for a cut rate for former AW squads.
Read the original post carefully.
There's no evidence at all that HTC has actually been contacted yet, or that they have the slightest inclination to do this.
I could just as easily claim in a post that I'm about to "begin negotiations with HTC for a free AH account for me and anyone else who wants to sign up with me" but it doesn't mean it will work :-)
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Originally posted by Torgo:
I could just as easily claim in a post that I'm about to "begin negotiations with HTC for a free AH account for me and anyone else who wants to sign up with me" but it doesn't mean it will work :-)
Uhm...if it _does_ work, gimme a call.
Immel
[This message has been edited by Immel (edited 03-24-2001).]
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DoK, there's already a type of plan B in action...
If you get someone to sign up, and they tell HTC that you were the person that referred them to the game... you get a free month of AH. Or maybe it was for every 2 people. Then again, maybe that deal is long and dead. <shrug>
-SW
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Hmmm ... Sorry to see all this inbred infighting brought to this BBS. We have plenty of our own to choke on already.HTC will make their own decisions about this matter based on their concerns and judgement.
I, for one, am willing to accept that and live with it. They generally have an excellent record with regard to these kinds of issues and know best what their needs are.
Nuff said.
kbman
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do i hear the jailer comin to put a lock on the door.....?
SKurj
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Waves back at NUTTZ
<Damn Thought ya didn`t see me>
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Hi, I'm ROC. Kelly posted my letter. Figured I'd stick my head in and say Hi.
I've played Air Warrior for many years, not as long as the "great ones" but long enough, almost 5 years now I think. I used to be staff until last week. Put alot of time in and my reasons for leaving Air Warrior are mine. The decision was not easy, and was not immediate.
The trouble is, I know alot of people. I have been emailed by "several" people discussing AW and other sims. As word got out that I was really moving, I responded to many that I prefered AH after trying all of them.
I have not discussed a price break with any AH staff, and am not speaking for my squad, but there may be the potential to introduce "several" new players to Aces High.
I am a business owner. I do a couple million a year in construction projects. I leverage that into price discounts. It is my nature. If I can pull together 100 or so people into a product, this warrants attention. It may or may not work, but I will always try. The post Kelly offered up is one part of about 4 conversations. The section is exclusive to the negotiation process "when" it occurs, as from my end, it has not. The reason for the secrecy is simple. When negotiating, you hold your cards close to avoid this type of pettiness, build up the base into a solid offer, and present it. I doubt anyone here would shy away from the chance to do the same.
I could have applied this same level of strategy to restoring our AW community, but it continually fell short of what I believe was any true support from all but a couple of AW personell.
I chose simply to take a few people and find a new home, as these same few felt left out and betrayed at their old stomping grounds.
The most obvious advantage I can see is the increased exposure and population of this game. Numbers work. Increased traffic equals increased revenues, and if you're smart, you manage your growth and the entire community benefits with happy staff and well funded designers. Overall spreading the costs over a larger subscription base and your price should go down. Not a bad thing, from where I stand.
$10 bucks a month is too low unless you have a massive base like AW had. This brings additional problems such as overextending your bandwidth and wreaking havoc with your delays. So you pay a bit more and, hopefully, have a more stable system to play on. I for one will sign for $30 if need be. I'd prefer to pay annually as I hate the monthly charges. But again, if an individual or group can bring in a considerable base, triggering a benefit to the game, why not.
Well, enough of that. I figured I may as well jump in with my 2 cents. Can't hurt at this point lol.
CYA in the air, somewhere.
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My only concern is that with a discounted user base, the amount they pay combined with the amount the current user base pays may not see enough cash on HTC's side to replace the server with a bigger and better one and more bandwidth to accomidate the increased player base.
So, in the end while the player base increases we may run into poor connections. I'd rather fight 200 people and see no warps, than fight 1000 people that travel through the sky like squids.
Just my opinion of course.
-SW
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Some excellent ideas Dok. Do something to encourage migration to AH, but make it only temporary so that you don't alienate the current players who might consider it unfair.
bowser
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Now was I right or was I right.
UGH!
OOOH the humanity
Don't attack me for no reason and I won't bite back.... see how easy that is>?
Animal
(Brat's Favorite buddy;-))
Originally posted by Brat:
(complete garbage that has no bearing or relevance in this thread and was nothing more than a personal attack against me snipped)
Interesting...highly misinformed...I give it a 2.
No need to bring up any of your past performances here Animal (the people who you threatened in emails are actually members of this community)...you're doing a fine job of making a total bellybutton of yourself without my help.
Even though all your comments about me are complete and total fabrications...I don't really think the AH community is interested in hearing the truth...so I'll spare them and get this conversation back on track.
Kelly came in here and posted a private email with his concerns about price breaks for Airwarrior...and this was all done from a paying job at EA.
Kind of sums it all up huh?
bye
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I cannot believe that the person that started this thread is a EA/Kesmai employee. I simply cannot.
If he were, this would be the equivelant of Hotseat coming over here and telling us that he heard a few WB members were getting discount rates on AH and he is equally concerned for our community.
If its not... welcome to the great anonymous net. The place were people can be whomever they want simply because they were the first to pick the name.
Either way.. the first post is equally pathetic.
AKDejaVu
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Hey Kelly, Animal
(http://members.fortunecity.com/tmlong/moon.gif)
I am sorry to hear you are so desperate kelly that you need to stoop to such pathetic tactics.
I am sorry to hear you are so fiscally challenged Animal that you cant afford a quality sim and must play the discount version. (maybe when Mickey D's makes you an assistant manager, your pay will go up and you can try AH ) hahahahah
Dago
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Hi ROC, thanks for coming forward to shed light on this whole mess.
I'm all for it if HTC is. Not that my vote counts nor does HTC operate that way (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) It would be nice to see more people who WANT to fly AH.
I also liked Moon Dog's idea in his topic where he though a pay per event scheme would be attractive. I think that's a great idea too.
FWIW, many of the members in the squad I am in felt positive about this possible bargain to these two notable squads when it was brought up on our email list.
And it has seen support here too from in the AH community - once you cut thru the 'issue' of who the poster was and the inter-rival bickering.
I hope it works out. <S> !
Moon Dog was a Nomad too wasn't he? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
-Westy
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It makes damn good business sense to negotiate a group discount. This happens all the time in other sectors of the business world, why not here?
Of course, since this is not a market test, I'd limit it to a term (say a year, or half year, whatever), both for the bargaining group and HTC. In such a fashion, both sides can opt out later.
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Just remember: Warbirds sucks, come play AH, all of you.
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If I decided to go to AH, I'd pay HiTech his going rate. He deserves the respect assuming he's charging fairly for his product.
I certainly wouldn't bargain with him in secret, and seek to exclude those community members who preceded me there. How fair is that to him or them? Do you expect him to keep group rates secret from them? If so, what does that say about your opinion of his ethics?
Shame on those of you contemplating this. If you think AH is a better product for you, have some class and sign up like everyone else. Those who went there before you, paid the toll, and worked to develop what community they have deserve better than this.
KM
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I'd rather this soap opera than one run being produced by H.S. any day. Here it's the community with a problem. There, it's the developer himself.
Wiggling the bait to attract more guppies gullible enough to bite KM?
-Westy
[This message has been edited by Westy (edited 03-24-2001).]
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Originally posted by ROC:
It is my nature. If I can pull together 100 or so people into a product, this warrants attention. It may or may not work, but I will always try.
This is an interesting approach, ROC, but I can also see how it could alienate current players/squads. The Assassins, the 308th, MOL, and other squads all have plenty of members (and I know that the 308th has drawn in other members from its sister squads in WB), all of whom have paid full price for quite some time. It might be said that their contribution to the growth and success of AH would be just as important as yours, yet they do so at a higher premium.
Not to say that negotiating a group rate isn't a great idea; I'm happy to see a bunch of AW folks making the jump over to AH. It could create a slippery slope for HTC, however, as collections of existing AH players band together to renegotiate their own monthly payments. Pretty soon other collections of squads from WB/AW could decide not to make a move to AH unless they, too, receive a discounted rate.
Yet if HTC long ago determined that $30/month was necessary to cover development costs and operating expenses, how could they stay solvent at $15 or $20/month?
Just some thoughts. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Oh, and Culero... you're really living up to your namesake. Ass.
-- Todd/DMF
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BRAT, I was there. I know what happened and Animl is correct. Unless you want to get highly involved in the discussion of what kind of bellybutton you made of yourself then I would imagine you will not say anything else about what happened while you were a staff member with AW.
By the way, hi folks.
Originally posted by Brat:
(complete garbage that has no bearing or relevance in this thread and was nothing more than a personal attack against me snipped)
Interesting...highly misinformed...I give it a 2.
No need to bring up any of your past performances here Animal (the people who you threatened in emails are actually members of this community)...you're doing a fine job of making a total bellybutton of yourself without my help.
Even though all your comments about me are complete and total fabrications...I don't really think the AH community is interested in hearing the truth...so I'll spare them and get this conversation back on track.
Kelly came in here and posted a private email with his concerns about price breaks for Airwarrior...and this was all done from a paying job at EA.
Kind of sums it all up huh?
bye
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I know Kelly Myers, but I've never heard of someone named K Meyers.
I also think Kelly's grammar is a bit better than the KM poster, and we all know that he is incapable of posting a message as short as KM post #3.
Something stinks here.
grizzly
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Grizzly, I think you may have a point there. It certainly doesn`t sound like the Kelly I know either, now that you mention it.
Oh and nice to see you Mr. HTML <G> How how have you been doing ol` grizzlied one?
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Damn, OTTO,Brat,Grizzly, I'm getting flashbacks,,,BTW I was there also (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
NUTTZ
Originally posted by AW Otto:
BRAT, I was there. I know what happened and Animl is correct. Unless you want to get highly involved in the discussion of what kind of bellybutton you made of yourself then I would imagine you will not say anything else about what happened while you were a staff member with AW.
By the way, hi folks.
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Originally posted by Animal -FT:
Granted $10 a month does not cover what it takes to pay programmers etc.. to make a justifiable upgrade or game. AH relys on one game, that I know of, I can see where they HAVE to charge a lot, and it IS a lot. But point being. Both Kesmai and Ea have other games to support the sim. If EA does in fact have 200k players on UO, then the money isn't a problem as much. The problem is is HOW they use it. IF EA sticks to their plan of attack AW is in fact doomed, unless the AW4 coding does what they say it will do.
What you say makes no business sense at all. Basically, a company can say... (Simplified)
"We need 100 employees and $1000 in equipment to support all our products. Product A and B make money, but the amount of money we spend to support product C exceeds its revenue. 20 of my employees and $200 of my equipment support product C.
So, if I dump product C, I can also trim expenses by 20 employees and $200 in equipment, plus get additional profit as I won't need to have revenue from products A and B support C any longer."
More simply put, if a product does not make engough revenue to support ALL employees, ALL required equipment AND turn a profit, it WILL NOT last.
If EA is relying on other games to support AW, it will be canned. In this economy, I don't see companies supporting any charity cases. Too bad.
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Midnight
13th TAS[/i]
midnight@13thtas.com
"...it's better to have a gun and not need it, than to need a gun and not have it." -Christian Slater True Romance
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This SO smells like a friggin' set up.
That's what sucks about UBB. You can pick any friggin' screen name you want to post as much drivel as you want, then recycle the name for something else. In this case, it appears someone is impersonating an EA employee to further smear AW. Be it an AH player or KBear, whomever it is (if it is not culero) is a fargin' icehole.
I call total roadkill.
CH
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Hmmmmmm....
KMeyers <---- poster
Kelly Myers <---- EA Staff
Any questions?
Troll value 8.5
Flame retention 3.5
Stupidity 9.0
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Greetings folks, I'm another of those old AW players that's stumblin in here. Lota ya'll know me. I worked with/for the real Kelly Meyers for a bit as volunteer staff. I got canned with th rest of th volunteer staff along with some paid legends like Moggy and GE.
I'm pissed at EA but it wasn't Kelly's doin.
I don't think th post that started all this was Kelly either.
Buzzard <but this is really me, no B.S. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) >
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Kelly do what you need to do .. If this brings down the rate for the whole AH community then its a good thing.. This is America buddy.. Bargaining for a lower price goes on all the damn time. Have you ever bought a car? Did you pay the asking price or get a lower price? I assume you got a lower price. Did you tell future customers of your good deal? Did you stand on the lot warning the next customer that you got a great deal? I doubt it.. Sounds like alot of hypocrisy.
After all the BS that has gone on from you and other EA reps this wreaks of a double standard......When was the last time you paid to play AW? So who the hell are you to say what kind of a deal a large group tries to get to play a game? Now Im sure that you love a good flame war ..I dont . Ive said it all.....
Lew/+Silat
Originally posted by kmeyers:
If I decided to go to AH, I'd pay HiTech his going rate. He deserves the respect assuming he's charging fairly for his product.
I certainly wouldn't bargain with him in secret, and seek to exclude those community members who preceded me there. How fair is that to him or them? Do you expect him to keep group rates secret from them? If so, what does that say about your opinion of his ethics?
Shame on those of you contemplating this. If you think AH is a better product for you, have some class and sign up like everyone else. Those who went there before you, paid the toll, and worked to develop what community they have deserve better than this.
KM
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Silat/Lew
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Dont worry gadflea,
Warbirds lower price makes you guys a sure winner when the dust settles.
Have fun with your new community!
Yeager
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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IMHO,
I made my decision to play AH and accepted the terms given to me. Hitech is the owner of this sim and whatever he decides to do will be in his and AH best interest . I like this game and will continue to play reguardless.
Nomde
63rd FS, 56th FG
"Zemke's Wolfpack"
(http://nomdegurre.tripod.com/signature.jpg)
"God loves the 56th cause we keep Heaven filled"
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FWIW, let me also point out something else. While having all of AW come to AH obviously increases the player base and revenue stream for HTC, it also imposes a higher load. I'm sure HT knows the magic number of players on at once that tells him when he'll need to add hardware or increase the size of his Internet pipe.
The point is, more players doesn't mean more money with no additional operating costs. By the same token, more players in the next 60 days as they try to find an alternative to AW doesn't necessarily mean all those players will stay. And you don't want to buy or lease more server side resources unless you'll have the sustained traffic to justify it.
-DoK
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I trust HT to know whats good for business. If he can bring in a bunch of new pilots and make the numbers work more power to him.
Welcome to Aces High all you AW pilots.
If there is anything I or the other trainers can do to help get you up to speed & getting kills just yell. You'll find a list of email address's on the HTC web site under trainers.
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Folks, I'm gonna rate this puppy up there with the TopGunz troll on Bigweek. My hats off to the feller who did it though. This man has true elit3 troll potential.
Muahahahaha!!!
Hint1: "Hi its me"
Hint2: "For the record"
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Quick
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Quick, the problem is , even with all the trolling potential involved with this thread, its sad at whats happened to AW. Its basically dead, and its over. Whether whoever started this thread was actually Kelly or not, it don't matter.
The real issue is the ongoing events at EA.com and the future of AW. It basically doesn't have a future.
The King is Dead! Long Live the King!
<S>! to AW and what it meant for the whole genre. It was the first, and made all we do today possible. But like many "firsts" in industry, it became too complacent, and signed its own death warrant.
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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure
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Hmm. Boa came by the other day. And I sat him down and let him fly my account for a bit (there goes my already dismal K/D ratio)
He's hooked.
I'm going to work on my old squad to try and get them all in here.
Oh right. The topic.
If someone wants to negotiate a group discount, more power to 'em. I get all sorts of perks through the various organizations I belong to. No reason not to let HT talk it out with them.
Was that really culero posting? Beats me. If it was, that's pretty toejamty (netiquette, etc.) If it wasn't culero, that's pretty toejamty.
Personally, I'm staying out of this toejam storm but I'll probably still go to the AW con this year. Why? I don't go to the con to fly AW, I go to hang with the AW community, 'cause they're a great group of guys.
It sucks that a bunch of AW old timers got laid off, but that's business. Bad business, IMHO, but business. Good luck to the remaining folks who're trying to keep the game alive. Meanwhile I'll keep flying AH. I hope you understand, that's just business too (the game's better, and I can afford it)
In the meantime, it's pretty sick the sort of squabbling that's going on over all this.
More players is good. More community is good, and I'll vouch for the folks from AW (the ones who're quitting AW over all this are folks who care passionately about community) who make the jump.
Even brat and animal. They may be amazinhunks, but their *our* amazinhunks (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Or I'd rather have guys who give a toejam and are wrong than people who don't
~Lemur
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Just saw a post from the man who was corresponding with culero, and he presents pretty good evidence it was Kelly who made that first post.
<shakes head>
Living up to his name, I see.
~Lemur
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ROC Welcome to AH , also all former AW pilots too .
wishing u the best ,
spro
PS: Bishops have the best sheep IMO (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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air_rules = Play fair ....Don't worry about points......Keep a sense of humor......Drink Jim Beam......and don't let the fediddlein cat walk on the keyboard.......!!!
(http://www.e-webgate.com/air/NonCGI/uploads/airspro/airspro.bmp)
[This message has been edited by airspro (edited 03-24-2001).]
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It's not
I hardly think the man would spell his own name wrong, and if he did come here it would be under a different name...., and I think I know who it is who set this fairy tail up..
Shame Shame..
Animal
was wundering how lng it would take but no one got it.
Originally posted by DamnedBuzzard:
Greetings folks, I'm another of those old AW players that's stumblin in here. Lota ya'll know me. I worked with/for the real Kelly Meyers for a bit as volunteer staff. I got canned with th rest of th volunteer staff along with some paid legends like Moggy and GE.
I'm pissed at EA but it wasn't Kelly's doin.
I don't think th post that started all this was Kelly either.
Buzzard <but this is really me, no B.S. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) >
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Originally posted by airspro:
PS: Bishops have the best sheep IMO (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
[/B]
That's why us rooks always take them away from you (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Some things never change. Sheep are one of them (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
~Lemur
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BTW. I left a present for brat in my long-winded post... 5 perk points if someone spots it before he does.
~Lemur
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Will the REAL KELLY PLEASE STAND UP !!!
I don't really feel like KELLY of AW fame would stoop to this kind of low..
ie; posting the private e-mail
Kelly if tis you= YOU ARE ACTING LIKE A DICK
Kelly if tis not= THEY ARE ACTING LIKE A DICK
This is a disgrace to drag AW dirty laundry into this community...
This just plain Sucks...
BOOT
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<snip>I left a present for brat in my long-winded post... 5 perk points if someone spots it before he does.
~Lemur
"Even brat and animal. They may be amazinhunks, but their *our* amazinhunks
Or I'd rather have guys who give a toejam and are wrong than people who don't"
~Lemur
Maybe this? Maybe not?
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Originally posted by lemur:
BTW. I left a present for brat in my long-winded post... 5 perk points if someone spots it before he does.
~Lemur
they're
hehe
Xanax
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To quote Bevis....uhuuhuhuhuhuh
Too funny...
PC
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Hmm no 3 legged dog pic in the sig. Not the Animal I know... I hope at least (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I say allow the AW guys in for 15 a month.. but allow them to fly only the 202 and ju88 until they pay the other 15 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Originally posted by kmeyers:
If I decided to go to AH, I'd pay HiTech his going rate. He deserves the respect assuming he's charging fairly for his product.
I certainly wouldn't bargain with him in secret, and seek to exclude those community members who preceded me there. How fair is that to him or them? Do you expect him to keep group rates secret from them? If so, what does that say about your opinion of his ethics?
Shame on those of you contemplating this. If you think AH is a better product for you, have some class and sign up like everyone else. Those who went there before you, paid the toll, and worked to develop what community they have deserve better than this.
KM
Enjoying the day out Sybil?
The rest of you can spit the hooks out.
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Just got off the phone with the realculero.
It wasn't him that made that inital post, just some dipshit troller. They also cut out the part of his post where he says that he was pissed off because he felt that asking for a lower price was a slap in HT's face (and I know he has a lot of respect for HT)
I also want to appologize publically for even thinking he was responsible for that initial post. Kelly's a lot of things, but he's not the kind of guy who'd pull that crap (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Nuff said. IMHO this thread's dead.
Oh wait. Screw the trolling nazi bastard who started this!
Okay, someone got called a Nazi. NOW this thread is dead...
~Lemur
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You folks seem to have confused me with someone else. My name is Kelly MEYERS not Kelly MYERS whoever that may be. I'm not an employee of EA or any other gaming company and I don't remember ever claiming to be. I assure you though and ROC has confirmed it too this isn't a troll.
KM
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Thank you guys, i needed a good laugh tonigth (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
NUTTZ - "FYYFF" - classic man !! classic !!!
once again, thanks (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Bartlomiej Rajewski
aka. Wing Commander fd-ski
Northolt Wing
1st Polish Fighter Wing
303 (Polish) Squadron "Kosciuszko" RAF
308 (Polish) Squadron "City of Cracow" RAF
315 (Polish) Squadron "City of Deblin" RAF
Turning 109s and 190s into scrap metal since 1998
Northolt Wing Headquarters (http://www.raf303.org/northolt/)
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Hello all AH pilots some of you who used to play AW might remember me. Those of you who do know i have always been a fair and respectful person. I joined this board for the sole reason of replying to the post from Kelly.....
Kelly dude what the hell were you thinking????? How in the hell could you possibly think that one it was any of your biz what they did? 2 who the hell asked you to be the new EA/AH advocate? If the people in charge of AH decided to do that what buisness is it of yours to broadcast it to the whole community of AH? I would think there biz practices are there biz. 3rd you are one to talk about giving people discounted rates or fixing peeps to have free accounts at gamestorm and you know what i am talking about too! And last but not least
as far as biz practices go Kes. and GS have no friggin room to talk there AT ALL. I cant believe you disrespected your former friends in that manner and i cant believe you
would try to stir up gaming community in AH.
Stick to screwing up AW and screwing your staff over, you are good at that!
IF INDEED IT WAS YOU KELLY>> I MEANT EVERY WORD IF ITS NOT REALLY YOU SHAME ON THE IDIOT WHO PULLED THE CHILDISH CRAP! GROW UP AND GET A REAL LIFE.
i think that about covers it all
(stepping down from the soapbox..
TOTALY DISCUSTED
JAMX
[This message has been edited by JAMX (edited 03-24-2001).]
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AW OTTO?????? dat you? my old wingie from Air warrior? If so cya up and good luck!
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Originally posted by NUTTZ:
NUTTZ (Rash)
A little topical cream should clear that right up, really! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Cripes.
This just goes beyond kiddish.
KMeyers.... well sir, since you seem to be savvy with AW why let this thing troll along with people assuming you were an EA employee until the game is up? 'tard. Hope you're not too disappointed that most all of our fine community (which has it's own problems too) was too bright to waste its time on you.
Maybe you should communicate with some of the better fishermen on this board next time you want to stir up some trouble.
Loser.
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I want to appologize to the AH community for what has happened here. Over the years AW has managed to collect more than our share of loonies. In interest to humanity, we should have broken their fingers so they couldn't bother you good folks, but that being not the PC thing to do now days, I fear we gotta put up with this tripe.
HiTech, I'll soon be reactivating my account. Not that I'm leaving AW... just expanding the old horizons ($30 + $10 = $40 which is less than I started paying for AW when $10 was worth $30).
grizzly < Hiyas Nuttz =o) >
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gangs all here I see.
- Jig/Bessy
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I know for a fact that a lot of former FA pilots tried to negotiate a group rate of 15 dollars a month for maybe 40 pilots, and we were turned down flat. HT would not negotiate. As a result many of my squad m8s are still stuck flying FA. They're canadian and can't afford 50$ canadian for a game. If HT were to give this deal to some other sims pilots there would be a lot of pissed off people, in Aces High. They couldn't keep it quiet, someone would talk. Now 15$ for everybody thats a fair price. Would really help in bringing more international players to the game.
ElLobo of AoA
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<sticks a fork in this topic>
-- Todd/DMF
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Topic is dead but some really good ideas about group pricing came about.
I hope HTC will put this topic through the sifter and read the gems that remain.
-Westy
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Moon Dog was a Nomad too wasn't he?
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Dang it, Westy. I considered you a friend once.
Actually, I have only been in one squad in the regular arenas for almost 3 years. I did start a scenario squadron in the special events arena, but it was mostly for a joke.
Moon Dog
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Originally posted by Tac:
Hmm no 3 legged dog pic in the sig. Not the Animal I know... I hope at least (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I say allow the AW guys in for 15 a month.. but allow them to fly only the 202 and ju88 until they pay the other 15 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Hell, I'm in. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
MD
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Was just trying to cut ya into the line up front. If ya don't want to wear the Nomad hat then ya don't have to. (kind of all pointy, geeky looking and attention grabbing anyway) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
-Westy
[This message has been edited by Westy (edited 03-25-2001).]
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HAJO!!!!!! Yes sir. It is me, your old wingy from AW. To prove it. I was with you at C82, we were both in a8`s under 1k alt., we went home with about 5 kills each and none were vulches. <G> Ahhh the memories.
Originally posted by Hajo:
AW OTTO?????? dat you? my old wingie from Air warrior? If so cya up and good luck!
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I scrolled to the bottom of this post because it pretty much smells like a load of crap. This is my first online sim so I cannot compare it to any of the compettiors out there nor am I inclined to do so at this point. What I read in this post sounds like a shallow tactic that a commissioned salesman would do when he has one foot out the door and is about to be sacked because his numbers suck. And he/she will do anything to keep thier customers.
That being said if this is true it is no big deal it happens every day from your small town pizzeria to the big airlines. If HTC can generate more profit then more power to them. This may enable give HTC the capital to add improvements on this game. "KEYWORD GAME!" adding historical arenas, more sponsored events, better servers, etc.
I have been a paid subscriber since the beginning and HTC has always supplied me with a great escape from reality when I need it. If HTC feels threatened by this then perhaps they will make a post in response.
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Hiya AH Folks, Otto Hajo Nomde wow the old crowd Hiya guys hope to see u all up one day
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Originally posted by Gadfly:
Just remember: Warbirds sucks, come play AH, all of you.
Lol Gadfly, a little reverse Psychology eh? Or would that be double reverse? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Well regardles of the personal animosity and politics - the very first statement is true - some AW squads have ASKED if they could have a discount if they transferred enbloc. I don't know what the answer was and Hitech isn't telling AFAIK.
Here's MY plan.
1. Resign from my current AH squad.
2. Join the AW squad The Damned before the transfer.
3. Get my discounted account.
4. Resign from The Damned.
5. Rejoin my old AH squad.
6. Laugh all the way to the bank.
Is that OK with everyone? Oh, thought not.
Best wishes
Tjay
An ex-AW AH dweeb.
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Originally posted by AW Otto:
BRAT, I was there. I know what happened and Animl is correct. Unless you want to get highly involved in the discussion of what kind of bellybutton you made of yourself then I would imagine you will not say anything else about what happened while you were a staff member with AW.
By the way, hi folks.
Uhhh...funny. I don't remember you being there. I don't remember you listening in to the discussions between me and senior staff on the telephone. I don't remember seeing your name on the list of CC's in my emails. So tell me...how exactly do YOU know what happened?
Oh...that's right...you don't know dick...you're just another 1 post wonder that bounced in to save your little buddies and jump on the Brat train.
This is getting boring...call me when we're back on the subject.
Kelly...if you didn't post the original post than my apologies. I still think you're an bellybutton for even suggesting that you "might" post it in the first place and I think it shows your true loyalties to the Airwarrior community.
Animal...the only thing you've ever been right about since you stepped foot into the Airwarrior community...is that your typing sucks and it gives everyone a headache when trying to decipher the drivel that you post.
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Originally posted by kmeyers:
You folks seem to have confused me with someone else. My name is Kelly MEYERS not Kelly MYERS whoever that may be. I'm not an employee of EA or any other gaming company and I don't remember ever claiming to be. I assure you though and ROC has confirmed it too this isn't a troll.
KM
Friggin' liar. You are quite the sack of sheep dip.
CH
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Heh, I can't believe this bugger is still kicking.
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Are you SURE we cant have the 1.03 FM back?
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Uhhh...funny. I don't remember you being there. I don't remember you listening in to the discussions between me and senior staff on the telephone. I don't remember seeing your name on the list of CC's in my emails. So tell me...how exactly do YOU know what happened?
Oh...that's right...you don't know dick...you're just another 1 post wonder that bounced in to save your little buddies and jump on the Brat train.
Well, Brat (yes, I know you called me "dick" and some would call you a degrading name in this situation but I will not stoop to that level) the fact of the matter is I WAS senior staff. "I was there" meaning in the staff ranks and privy to more information than you thought. Not only was I privy to this information and forwarded emails you had written as well as others, there were others who were also privy to this. You and most of the other staff just didn`t know that.
Just clarifying for you here. I was not aware there was a Brat train and if I was aware of it I wouldn`t want to be on it. I just saw a discrepancy in your post here and wanted all to know that what they read here is not always the full truth.
After reading though these posts though I can see that the folks who post here probably do not need that pointed out to them. They all seem rather intelligent and I`m sure they know this to be true anyway. My apologies to them for even saying anything in this forum. I should have directed my statements toward you, Brat, in a private email.
Again, my apologies to all.
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So let me get this straight...a former senior staff member just came here and broke his Non Disclosure Agreement by announcing that he had privy to information regarding a matter that was specifically private between a player and said staff, and also admitted that others had access to this information?
Besides the fact that your claims are a total fabrication and you are actually completely clueless as to what happened...I now have every right to take this information to Kesmai and have your ass.
No wonder they canned all you guys...
As a senior staff member that was "involved in the matter" wouldn't it be safe to say that you should have known better considering this is the exact violation that I was accused of by both you and Animal here?
Wow...the irony...
I guess I should call Kesmai with this breach of contract admission and ask them why my personal information was passed around illegally...unfortunately I could only do this if any of the information you were stating were truth, but because you're full of toejam I don't really think it would hold up to well.
I hope EA gives all you guys your jobs back...you all deserve each other and I'm sure a new group of 12 yearolds that you guys can boss around and police in the arenas will be along with the introduction of AOL into the arenas.
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LOL Brat. I think you took this all out of text. I have broken no NDA. I said that I knew what happened. I didn`t say what happened nor would I ever say that in a public forum.
And I never got "canned". I quit the program last summer for several reasons.
Look, I didn`t come here looking to have a battle of wits nor one of words. If that`s what ya want then take it up in a private email. As far as I`m concerned this topic is finished in this thread. Reply with whatever garbage you want but I will not respond to it no matter how ridiculous your ramblings may get concerning the issue.
Have a good day.
Originally posted by Brat:
So let me get this straight...a former senior staff member just came here and broke his Non Disclosure Agreement by announcing that he had privy to information regarding a matter that was specifically private between a player and said staff, and also admitted that others had access to this information?
Besides the fact that your claims are a total fabrication and you are actually completely clueless as to what happened...I now have every right to take this information to Kesmai and have your ass.
No wonder they canned all you guys...
As a senior staff member that was "involved in the matter" wouldn't it be safe to say that you should have known better considering this is the exact violation that I was accused of by both you and Animal here?
Wow...the irony...
I guess I should call Kesmai with this breach of contract admission and ask them why my personal information was passed around illegally...unfortunately I could only do this if any of the information you were stating were truth, but because you're full of toejam I don't really think it would hold up to well.
I hope EA gives all you guys your jobs back...you all deserve each other and I'm sure a new group of 12 yearolds that you guys can boss around and police in the arenas will be along with the introduction of AOL into the arenas.
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Wow.. this thread is still around.
I'd just like to take a moment to say Welcome <S> to all the AW players stopping by. I hope you give AH a try and like it enough to stay.
Now that the greating is out of the way, I'd like to say that I don't really give a flying F@#K who said what to whom and who was or was not there to hear it when it comes to AW. Can that discussion be taken to a different BBS.. maybe one that is AW related? Maybe then this one could die.
AKDejaVu
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Tac wrote:
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I say allow the AW guys in for 15 a month.. but allow them to fly only the 202 and ju88 until they pay the other 15
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I'll take that deal!!!!!
BTW, it sure is starting to smell like Bigweek in here, isn't it?
Nice to 'see' some of you guys again.
anRky
-Ih8ubb - and the bucket sucks, too!
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Originally posted by anRky:
Tac wrote:
Smell is the right word. And I recognise it as the pervasive body odour of exactly the same people who seem to take a perverse pleasure in getting up everyone else's nose.I've heard a better standard of debate in school playground name-calling sesssions.
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What're ya doin hangin out in playgrounds? Looking for a date?
Weeeeeeee...neener neeener neeeeener...my dad can beat up yours!!!
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Just droped in to say hi (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) But looks like i walked into a hornets nest LOL.
Makes for good reading tho.
Rapid aka RTS-6
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Originally posted by Rapid:
Just droped in to say hi (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) But looks like i walked into a hornets nest LOL.
Makes for good reading tho.
Rapid aka RTS-6
HiYa RTS come on in the waters fine <G>
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