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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Lephturn on March 24, 2001, 08:50:00 AM
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Hi guys.
As a follow up to my new view article here: http://users.eastlink.ca/~sconrad/views.htm (http://users.eastlink.ca/~sconrad/views.htm)
I would like to know what view systems folks are using? If it's anything other than snap views, please tell me why.
1. Snap views
2. Instant views
3. Pan views
4. Padlock view.
If you use a combination, please describe the situations in which you use the different view systems.
I'm trying to see if I've missed anything with the article and find out what folks are using out there. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Sean "Lephturn" Conrad - Aces High Chief Trainer
A proud member of the mighty Flying Pigs
http://www.flyingpigs.com
Check out Lephturn's Aerodrome (http://users.andara.com/~sconrad/) for AH articles and training info!
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I use the snap views while in a fighter.
I often will F3 and pan while in a bomber or vehicle so I can see cons or just pass the time (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Great article!<S>
[This message has been edited by skernsk (edited 03-24-2001).]
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Instant views.
I understand your point that the pan movement in the snap view is useful for orientation, but I find snap views a bit too slow. With enough use, orientation isn't a problem with the instant views though.
bowser
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I use the numpad views, and they snap back to straight ahead when I let go of whatever number or combination of numbers I'm pressing.
Mk
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I use Pan View 95% of the time mostly because I find it easier to get orientation of all objects, especially ground targets whilst I'm circling above. The snap/instant views just affect a balance condition I have and too much can literally make me sick. I'll only use instant view if checking my 6/evading a bandit on my 6.
I must say that I don't have any problems with pan view, it can be a tiny bit on the slow side but you soon get used to it. I also find it a little more realistic but that's just my opinion. It would be nice to have an adjuster available to alternate the speed of pan view.
Regards
Nexx
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I use the snap views while in a fight. I found that the instant views are a bit disorienting for me. When I am searching for low cons, gv's or ack status at a field, I will often use the pan view with zoom.
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Snap views when fighting, pan views when hunting.
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Instant views.
I use the arrow keys to switch between views and the hat on my stick to toggle the up view. I tried using the snap views at first, but they just moved too slow and were a bit disorienting.
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Exile
Tard Extrodinaire
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Lephturn,
I use the direct instant views exclusively. I use a CH F-16 Fighter Stick and have programable two programable hats for veiws. There are several reasons I use this Instead of the others.
- 1 The instant view is the fastest
- 2 I can set each possition for best head veiw in each plane. I fly the P-51 so this is not as important as it might be in a ride that has more resticted side and rear views.
- 3 I can reference 90 degree orientations faster for line ups and intersecting.
I use the 8 way upper hat as follows (visualise the hat as a clock for positions)...
- default........LOOK FWD [8]
- 12:00..........LOOK FRONT UP [KP/]*
- 1:30 ..........LOOK FWD RIGHT [9]
- 3:00...........LOOK RIGHT [6]
- 4:30 ..........LOOK BACK RIGHT [3]
- 6:00...........LOOK BACK [2]
- 7:30 ..........LOOK BACK LEFT [1]
- 9:00...........LOOK LEFT [4]
- 10:30 .........LOOK FWD LEFT [7]
I use the 4 way lower hat as follows (visualise the hat as a clock for positions)...
- 12:00..........LOOK UP [5]
- 3:00...........LOOK UP RIGHT [Insert]*
- 6:00...........LOOK BACK UP [KP0]*
- 9:00...........LOOK UP LEFT [Delete]*
* marked commands are keymaped and assigned through speekey in CH
Note:I set each veiw the way I prefer and save each head position. The beauty of the design of Aces High lets you do this for each plane and it distiguishes them from each other.
This is probably common knowledge for most pilots but maybe it may help someone out there. I would love to here from NathBDP and Hristo!
(http://www.13thtas.com/images/sig/thsig.jpg)
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I use snap views all the time in AH. My old sim only had pan views and I thought that was best but its way too slow for scissors fights and other manouvering.
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Pan view. Same reasons as Nexx.
(http://www.swoop.com/images/logo_small.jpg)
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Snap views on the keypad. I use pan in zoom mode.
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Instant views in fighter cockpit
with KP8 set to view instruments.
I find the snap view disorienting in a furball. I like the speed of the instant view, and after spending a couple of years in AW, its the system i prefer by a large margin.
Snap views in Bombers and vehicles just because when i switch back and forth from external to internal or vice versa the DAMN VIEW system resets to SNAP if i have changed it. (WISH WE COULD SET OUR OWN DEFAULT VIEW MODE!!) suggested that several times over the last 8 months...
SKurj
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I use the Snap/Pan view. The one that pans as it switches to each view. It offers the best SA. Instant views (I suppose you mean the one that doesn't pan quickly to each view) don't offer me anything. Instant views are for 2D cockpits,Snap/Pan view is for 3D cockpit. I use what is best for me and the cockpit. Panning around by itself is too slow for me to use online. But definitely nice for taking screenshots offline.
-SW
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Snap views all the way for me. I prefer the increased SA that comes from seeing everything between the various views. It's gotten to the point that instant view changes feel unnatural to me.
Doesn't EAW utilize snap views as well? I think that's where I first got around to preferring this method over instant view changes.
-- Todd/DMF
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Yes sir DMF, EAW uses snap views in their 3D cockpit.
The 2D cockpit only uses instant though.
-SW
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I use snap views.
In Goons and Bombers I use F3 external to enjoy the scenery and look for nme.
Use my 8 way hat as expected but use an additional button under my pinkie for "UP".
This way I get all the "level" views and angle views (up/left, up/front etc) and "up" just by combining the hat and button with one hand
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snap views, have ch throttle, programs the f16 combat sick nicely. can set up view 360 around any cockpit, including up.
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Instant view.
Only exeption is the "lean out and look back/left/right" views wich I havnt been able to get into instant view.
danish
[This message has been edited by danish (edited 03-25-2001).]
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Nearly same setup as Thunder here, only that I have also set up the button(top right) as UP view, so that I can switch easily. (also have 2 separate for FW UP & BCK UP views)
99% of the Time Snap Views, 1% pan view (looking for GV/Buffs)
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MASS/SAW
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"I am distracted when I talk to my privates".
Wobble
[This message has been edited by Saintaw (edited 03-25-2001).]
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I use snap views for all in cockpit flying. I use pan view a lot in a bomber when viewing externaly.
(http://home.att.net/~lmluper/markatsig.jpg) (http://www.jump.net/~cs3)
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I use snap views. I then have a 8-way hat and two buttons by the other hand (up and down) so I can easily combine my view into any of the 27 possible.
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Snap views.
Feels more natural, and it's what 3D cockpits are for! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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There are views in AH?
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Ice
13thTAS
No Mercy Asked...None Given!
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"...Only exeption is the "lean out and look back/left/right" views wich I havnt been able to get into instant view...."
What do you mean by "lean out" view? If you're talking about moving left or right, wouldn't you just use the "save head position" function?
bowser
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Ditto Skernsk.
Almost exclusively snap views even when hunting. When in a bomber or GV I'll go external and pan.
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I use all the views you listed. Why you might ask. Well they all have useful moments and they are easy to use in each situation in the game.
You just have to be very careful when you use padlock and check your tail. It is not a SA hinderance to me but rather a way to keep my hands on the stick and throttle and use my hat switch for snap views to help keep me in the fight and not dying as much.
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ObstLt. Reschke
2/LJK Staffelkapitan
Kommandeur Jagdbomber
LuftJagerKorps (http://www.luftjagerkorps.com)
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I fly in zoom mode. Wish it had a default setting.
[This message has been edited by easymo (edited 03-25-2001).]
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snap views
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Snap views all the way.
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Snap views most of the time. Panning and zoom when looking around during cruise, hunting ground vehicles and working out what bit of an airfield needs some 1000lb presents from my Typhoon.
The snap views feel right, instant views just seems very crude and dated to me now.
Panning lets me move my head around and look past both sides of the nose. It also lets me look down without having to roll/sideslip which can be usefull at times.
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Graywolfe <tim@flibble.org>
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snap
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100% Snap view for me.
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(http://www.rsca.org/images/snapred.gif)
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Hmmm... compared to you all my view use appears a bit freakish.
Top two buttons on my joystick are configured to switch back between snap and pan mode.
I pretty much use both modes constantly. If I'm trying to gain angles on someone, I use pan to track them (kind of a manual padlock) until I feel like I'm reaching a solution. If I'm confident that I'm about to saddle up good, I'll switch back to snap mode, checking 6 every couple of seconds as I follow my target. Target starts to maneuver out of 12 o'clock, I will switch back to pan and track him while I manuever.
Am I the only one who does this?
Belt
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None i cant see a look around the screen reading brail
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Bowser:
(sorry for late answer, dont scroll these pages as often as I used to)
Having a Saitek I use command >F7 + Left + Num 2< and >F7 + Right + Num 2< for said maneuver.Is there a smarter way?
danish
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Snap view.
Don't use padlock or pan- hard to teach an ol' dog new tricks. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
gos
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danish,
When you said "lean out", I thought you meant AH has something similiar to WBs "U" command, where you can switch to a view that actually simulates sticking your head out the cockpit. Handy for taxiing and carrier landings.
f7+left hat+num2 is left back in snap mode. I take it you don't have an 8 position hat?..because that's a normal view with an 8 position hat.
As for the view mode, left hat+num2 should work in either snap mode (f7) or instant mode (f9). It does for me.
bowser
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Lephturn,
I use the snap view mode, mostly. I have the hat switch on my TM stick programmed for forward-up, right, back, and left, then I program three buttons on my throttle for forward, back, and up, so I can use them to modify my hat stick view. For example, if I want to look back, left, and up, I can push the hat left while pressing the up and back buttons on the throttle. This gives me just about any view I want with minimal thinking (once I learned which button was which, that is).
Due to an unfortunate lack of buttons and a priority conflict between more necessary functions (flaps, trim, etc), I don't have a down button programmed. But I find I only need this in a bomber, when my hands are free to press the KP0 key, or when I'm in one of those German 190s, where the fuel guage is down below normal line of sight. In the case of the 190, if I want to look at or manipulate the fuel selection, I have to switch to the pan view for a moment, pan down, adjust the fuel selector, then switch back to snap view. This is awkward, but it works.
Hope this helps. Your point about head position adjustment is right on. I customize just about every head position to give me the "best" view I can get. Doesn't work in some planes like the new P-51B, where I get mostly "just ok" views, but I'm not complaining.
Thanks!
Walt (Buhdman) Barrow
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Walt (buhdman) Barrow
(formerly lt-buhd-lite)
The Buccaneers - "Return with Honor"
home.earthlink.net/~wjbarrow
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Thx bowser :=) will give it a try.Long time since I made the setup, cant remember the reason exactly anymore.
danish altzheimer danish
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I use snap and instant view (NumPad) all the time.
I would really like to use the padlock view, but AHs Padlock is BS, i am used to EAW and FAs "smooth padlock" and so i cant get used to this step by step padlock of AH.
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I use snaps all the time. With instant views you cant pan, with no pan you can't see through cockpit upper/frontal "art". And the actual padlock is like an automatic snap view system (dont know why they call it padLOCK, it doesn't lock anything).
I was very dissapointed by AH padlock. It should be very usefull to track the point where a target is when obscured by some upper cockpit art (like 190 upper bar, or 109 frontal cockpit mess). In RL a quick move of the head (2 inches or less) will give you the oportunity to track the target all the time, but here the pan is waaaaay slow and the padlock doesn't track the target, only a general and absurd direction where the con is, so, most of the time I'm doing unnecesary moves with my 190 or 109 just to see the enemy icon I'm following at his 6 o'clock.
HT, if you are reading this, please give us a decent padLOCK, or give us the oportunity to configure the pan speed. Or, in the worst case, show the enemy icons all the time when the cons are obscured by upper or frontal cockpit art (or by the vertical tail section).
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Mandoble, ever tried the padlock of FA? Its great, gives u the feeling of the movement of both planes, once u get used to it.
Ask sturm, brady and other FA vets. U can fight a 1on1 completly outta this padlock, without losing control. Padlock was responsible for most of my succeslful snapshots, in ACM like the scissors.
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Naudet, the best padlock implementation I've seen to date is in Falcon4 (also best sim to date and best bug to date). THAT IS A PADLOCK. No loose of control at all, no loose of SA at all (you can check any static view and readquire, if still visible, your locked target). And, very important, you can select targets to track without taking in consideration the upper/frontal cockpit art.
IMO, the cockpit bars shouldn't disturb the ability to select/view a target, but the sun and the night should do.