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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Hi its me on March 24, 2001, 05:38:00 PM
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Well, I just got home, and the wife informed me I'm controversial again. Now that I've been here and had a good laugh, please allow me to apologize for being the indirect cause of a disturbance.
See, I spell my name MYERS, not MEYERS. The posts attributed to me in the "Some concerns" thread are forgeries. But its true I probably provoked someone to create them.
I was recently cc'ed to an e-mail thread circulated within the AW community that discussed what I felt was an attempt at an unethical act of subterfuge against your community here. I replied the thread, telling these people in strong terms I felt their actions showed extreme disrespect to the current AH community. I asked them to remove me from the circulation, and told them I was so pissed about what they were proposing that I just *might* post their stuff here.
I considered doing so, because my initial inclination was that you good folks deserve to know what's being discussed behind your backs. But, I decided that it would be inappropriate for me to do so, given my current employment as a representative of Air Warrior. I saw that it would of course be seen in the wrong light, as me trying to cause trouble.
I did e-mail one member of your community here and tell him about it, a man of unimpeachable character who I trust to hold the welfare of both communities as sacred. I did so because I trust him to evaluate the matter, decide if it should be discussed here or not, and handle it discretely. I'm certain this clumsy forgery was not his. For one thing, he's too literate a man to have made such blatant spelling mistakes. For another, the posts don't accurately reflect what I conveyed to him.
I'm certain someone who didn't like me flaming him in the AW mail circulation did this in order to try to cause trouble for me. While I really could care less about that (the actions of backbiters are of no concern to me) I regret that this dispute between me and members of the AW community spilled over here.
Those who know me well know that above all else, I respect community. I've made my share of enemies, but its because I don't hesitate to speak my mind and stand firm for what I feel is right, plus denounce that which I feel is wrong. But no one can truthfully say they've ever seen me do anything to be destructive to a community. Community is what's worthwhile in games such as we all enjoy, and it goes farther than business interest. We all of us should respect that.
I'll not be posting here any more, so long as I'm employed by the competition. I just wanted to allow ya'll to know this was the work of a troublemaker, and apologize for the role I had in causing it to happen. Anyone who'd like to discuss the matter further is welcome to e-mail me at the address posted in my profile.
HiTech, special apoligies to you. You've worked hard to build a community here, and it deserves to be respected. That, after all, was the point I tried to make to the AW folk, when I inadvertantly caused one of 'em to do this.
To my friends in Aces High, never think I begrudge you being here. There is, IMHnsdweebO, no such thing as "competition" where community is concerned. Businesses compete in the marketplace, but communities either co-exist or don't. I like to think we can all respect each other enough to not allow our choice of products to interfere with our friendships.
~S~ all, and keep the greasy side down (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Kelly "culero" Myers
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Whats this thread about
are you on crack?
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Animal this whole thing started in '70s when Al Gore invented Internet.
Read some posts and you might become as clever as Al (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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I knew he'd show up here... He wouldn't know how to keep himself away.
CH
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UBB does log people's IP's, doesn't it? Maybe it's time for someone to check out that feature.
Talkin abou tthe troll of all trolls.
J_A_B
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Oh no!
They're talking about us......behind our backs non the less.
RUN FOR THE HILLS PA!
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Frankly my dear, I and several others don't give a ****.
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I take things I read at face value first then I decide whether or not there is merit to what was written. I may be somewhat gullible but this post by Mr. Myers appeared to me to be an honest explanation of what transpired to cause a controversial post and to explain that he was not part of it.
Why the negative responses to it?
(http://home.att.net/~lmluper/markatsig.jpg) (http://www.jump.net/~cs3)
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AH community doesn't care about what people talk behind their backs because thats what it all is, just talk..
Even if there are a few points worth correcting in this product, they're known and accepted.. Life goes on.
People slam competition only to make themselves feel better. Or when aggravated to do so..
Personally I have never even seen AW in action nor do I know anyone belonging to the community so for me it's the same what people there say or think.
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I would appear that the real Kelly Myers has found himself in the un-enviable position of getting caught up in the wrong email stream at the wrong time. Either an Aw disgruntled with him did a magificent job impersonating him (sure had me convinced. then again I have several reasons that would have clouded my judgment) here to get him in trouble @ EA.com or a disgruntled AWier decided he would bite the bullet and say what he though KM's was trying to say, for him.
Either way I hope both stay with AWier and tat we here can just move on after this umpleasantness was fostered upon us.
"New York Yankees suck!"
-Westy
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Either way, I think it is time for HTC to eliminate the tiered pricing structure or implement it properly and across the board.
To offer the identical service to others at dramatically lower prices was a huge screw up and caused much controversy. Now they appear to be doing it yet again.
HTC should have learned from their mistake before. People who have been loyal and with this sim from the buggy and feature-slim beginning deserve more than being shoved to the back of the line and expected to subsidize any player grabs from competing sims.
Regardless of where this information came from, I find it disturbing.
HTC - When do we get fair and equitable pricing?
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PakRat
63rd FS, 56th FG
"Zemke's Wolfpack"
(http://home.att.net/~ahpakrat/pakrat.jpg)
"Juggies, dance us back in history!"
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There is no "tiered" pricing scheme. HTC did a marketing test one time. To get valid results they had to have the customer making a real decision, hence the permanent deal. They simply had to do this to get the information they needed to effectively manage their business. Disagree all you want, but it's their livelyhood on the line here and their decision.
Just because somebody posts a big string of toejam on this BBS it doesn't mean it's true. Heck, I doubt HTC has heard anything about this, it certainly doesn't seem that way after reading the entire thread. This was a "proposal" some folks were thinking about making to HTC, not an offer HTC accepted or anything HTC even knew about as far as I can tell. That's all supposing that any of what was written was true... which is far from certain.
You have a simple decision to make. Is this game worth $30/mo to you? If it is, great. If it isn't, shame, been nice knowing ya. If you quit because "life isn't fair", well... that's your decision too. Sometimes things happen so that somebody benefits just because they got lucky, it's the way of things. Life isn't fair. If you spend your time revolting against all the "unfair" things in life, you'll be a busy boy. Good luck with that. I hope you choose to spend your time shooting me down in Aces High instead. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Kelly,
I'm sorry.
I bit, and hard, on a malicious troll, it appears.
I should have known better.
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Yeah me too...
but i still think yer an ass...
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Originally posted by Brat:
Yeah me too...
but i still think yer an ass...
Oh my Gawd... I agree with Brat.
CH
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TO the AH members I will only respond here for one reason I want to know who actually posted that message as I have good reason to think it was*the* KM as I was on that list. I also have no axe to grind, never was Staff was inept but sweet and good rep. of the community, setting nice example and not very controversial at all.
So hear are my thoughts on AW Kelly:
The fact that you considered doing this is irrelevant. The fact that you threatened to do this is what counts. You said so in an email to people from the Air Warrior community that you would. This is a direct quote from one of your inflammatory letters:
"Please remove me from this spam list, I find it distasteful. Its liable to piss me off enough to post the whole damn thread to the AH boards.
culero/Kelly “
Now I ask you was this something that a person of such high moral standards as you claim to have should be doing? Or something of someone in your position at EA should be doing whether in public or private? I would suggest not. You talk about your current employment and being a representative of Air Warrior. You trash people for doing things in private and behind people's backs? Is it not going behind peoples back to do what you have done by e-mailing someone that it did not really concern about it? Was this not a move to incite a riot? Or was it to make you look good while you set out troll's? How is it its always someone else's fault never yours? If you cared so much about either community you would not have so many disputes with the AW community. As for the *hey you people know me routine, would I do this?* <innocently smiling>
Seems most thought it was you…….. As I told you before I respect honesty. You must be small on that for so many to think you would do this.
As long as a person has your views they are ok, no disputes with you. If they don't you don't dismiss their views you dismiss them. Did you not just dismiss around 60 volunteers with out even so much as a personal thank you to each and every one of them for their dedication to the community and the game?
The thank you they got was on a staff board basically saying thanks but cya. You talk about the work of a troublemaker.
Regardless you are in fact the main troublemaker for causing it to happen. You apologized to High Tech for inadvertently causing one of 'em to do this. It wasn't inadvertent it was in fact deliberate. Why else would you have signed up on the AH message boards Friday night, and not post until after the “kmeyers” post had run its course. Sorry but I do pay attention Kelly.
As I said on other boards * If I am wrong I will apologize* but especially now I don’t feel that I am.
Way too many came to attack then pulled away saying poor Kelly. After all it is your way to make sure you come out smelling good and unscathed Damn the rest of the folks SAVE KELLY J
I do ask that the person who threatened to post those names please Remember KARMA it’s everywhere
And if you really don’t know whom Kelly Myers is how did you get this email and why are you hiding?
Feel free to contact me when you want to clear this up.
Rhiannon
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Sheesh...don't you guys have your own BBS? Take it outside.
bowser
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Originally posted by bowser:
Sheesh...don't you guys have your own BBS? Take it outside.
bowser
we do...only it sucks worse than this ubb and was down all weekend. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/tongue.gif)
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Otter
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As suggested by somebody else a quick check of the registered dates of 2 persona shows this,
Profile for Hi its me (aka Kmyers)
Date Registered: 03-23-2001
So the profile used to deny responsibility was created the day before the profile of the perp.
Profile for kmeyers
Date Registered: 03-24-2001
I have never had any dealings with AW or anybody connected to it but the above "could" well be interpreted as follows,
OK i have made a profile for myself but i think it might be better to make a new one with a slight miss spelling for this crap post to suck people in before denouncing it was me.
On the face of it you gotta wonder
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Cripes. Soap opera.
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Its a game guys, man you all act like it is your lives. So what if they fly in another sim whoopdefreakindo. So what if they post in here, this is the general forum, and mainly does not constitute anything AH related a lot of the times. If you ask me it is quite childish the responses you see, and I see a lot of band wagoneers here to. Are they right for posting over here? Does it rally matter? Are you losing sleep over this? For me this thing resembles selfishness, more pilots means more targets, myself being a newbie I need all the newbie targets I can get. This seems like an older crowd over here, time some started acting like it. Let the flames begin.
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Sturm6 StaffelKapitän
JV44 Platzschutzstaffel
Airfield Defense Squadron
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(puts hook back in mouth)
Here we go again...
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BRAT!!! LOL. That was actually a good one.
Originally posted by Brat:
(puts hook back in mouth)
Here we go again...