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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Furious on December 24, 2002, 02:32:34 PM
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What is it that makes the LW so tightly wound?
No other group of folks consistently pops a cork and spews on the bbs. No other group consistently whines or squeakes as much. I know the leather causes rashes, but are the panties too tight as well?
Does being a self proclaimed LW make you uptight, or do uptight people gravitate to the LW, and why?
It’s a frikken weird phenomenon. Might even make a good thesis for an undergrad psych student.
F.
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Originally posted by Furious
as well?
Does being a self proclaimed LW make you uptight, or do uptight people gravitate to the LW,
F.
Chicken or the egg.........
Cobra
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I see just as many complaints for japanese planes, US planes and brit planes. If you are willing to be objective and just look at the BBS you will see that. There is just as much reason for any LW request as for any other plane request, yet people just ignore that.
The difference is in the reaction, and basically people here sense that the "LW side" is the one to pick on and make fun of- this is no different than in any social grouping of people, there is always the one to pick on. So whenever a LW question is posted it's imediately seen in that light. For example once I posted very reasoned point by point totaly cool-headed undramatic list of easily documented grapics errors on the Tiger I model, I was immediately attacked as a whiner. Mitsu posted some requests that Ki-61 be changed, with no proof, and he got a congradutlatory message from Hitech. F4UDOA posts whines all the time. The P38 guys post on the BBS like it was some sort of flying death machine, that will never be done "right" in AH.
Now there have been a few dramatic types like RAM and manodble, but again you all seem to focus on them and ignore all the other plainly wierd and loudmouthed types in this community.
Thats how I see it.
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Wow, Furious, that didn't take long to prove the observation, but still, the causel affect remains allusive!
Cobra
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Originally posted by Cobra
Wow, Furious, that didn't take long to prove the observation, but still, the causel affect remains allusive!
Cobra
Correct! You proved my point exactly. My post is immediately made fun of.. I think that also answers your question cobra.
Thanks, this was too easy. :D
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No, the difference is in how it's put forth.
I have yet to see F4UDOA or Mitsu start off by asking for something to be looked at, then half way through it turns into another (insert F4U or Japanese fan here) saying "it'll never be fixed because [conspiracy against that plane, conspiracy against that group while favoring another group, planes performing too well without any proof while their planes are performing too poorly without any proof, their planes intentionally being dumbed down while the "other side's" planes aren't]...
That's just a small list, I have witnessed many more threads that turn into a coniption fit because they think they deserve some sort of special attention... and the times they have been answered by the man himself... still can't be satisfied and continue to press the issue inserting unfounded accusations, conspiracies and other nonsense.
Oh, and yeah... "The SpitIX is a UFO" <--- Ain't seen no proof, only seen poopy diapered LW fans crying about it tho.
-SW
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The 190 here compared to it's counterpart in WB is a breath of fresh air.
But then again so is the F4U.
After 3 years in a 190 over there, I'm flyin the Hog here.
And doing badly I might add :D
Yes LW'ers are wound tight...
Go figure, I have scars from the leather..
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Grun,
Don't give me that persecution crap. I've been there, you know that, and have seen it first hand.
There certainly are other whiners on the bbs, but none are as consistent as the LW contingent.
Separate requests from whines. All whines are not requests and all requests are not whines.
Request: It appears that the stall speed of this plane is too high. I have documentation indicating a lower stall speed. Please look into it.
Whine: fukin spits don't stall when my plane is spiraling outa control. Kurt Tank wouldn't design some roadkill plane that couldn't kick a toejamfire's bellybutton with one wing tied behind its back. But you know that Pyro hates the LW so no fuking way it'll ever get fixed.
A lot of LW fans post lots a good info, but usually taint it with some roadkill slant or comment.
LW is a separate culture in all flight sims. Why?
F.
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I would half to say GRUNHERZ is right as far as I can see, at least most of the time at anyrate.
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I have seen widewing or Admiral virgil hilts and other allied P38 devotees whine about P38 never being right because the developers just cant ever know how really good P38 is.
And there are plenty of LW requests with just data and simple
question that are immediately attacked and madefun of. Why?
And with "LW" requests or comments you are only minutes (3 minutes in this tread" from being mad fun of or being called a whiner. So by that fact all LW requests are treated as whines.
Why isnt Fester called an allied whiner. What about all those P38 whines?
And dont give me that spit 9 crap, everyone complains about it. How about all those allied LA7 whines or Niki whines? Why forget those. There are plenty of real "P51" isnt so bad vs commie backward LA7, no way! And all the Spit 14 whines.
I am telling you plain and simple the difference s in the reaction. Nearly every LW request with data and an even-handed tone is quickly attacked , made fun of and dissmised out of hand. After a little bit of that well meaning people will get pissed and hostile - simple human nature.
Thats the answer Furious, its obvious.
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Dunno about the rest, Furious, but I suspect the reason the LW tends to be tight-knit in most sims is because it tends to be in a minority. Add in the occasional idiot accusations of being "Nazis", then that in organised games there's usually some folks who much prefer flying Allied who have to come fly with the Axis to make up the numbers, and if we share with them anything that we think MIGHT give us an edge, then the Allies will obviously get to know of it and be able to counter it all the faster... (shrugs). We also very often end up fighting superior numbers even when a game isnt planned that way... that tends to weld folks together.
When one looks at the planesets of various flight sims over there years, I personally think there is a justifiable case for saying there has been a degree of bias against Axis-side planes, at least in terms of plane types offered. Actually, it's probably even more true to say that there's been a bias in favour of the US (in regard of variety of planes made available to fly) at the expense of everyone else, in the past. Even the RAF has been treated as a poor relation...
Of course, there are some cogent points as to why this might be the case - most games still dont adequately deal with night flying and night combat, and so types that spent the bulk of their operational career flying at night have tended to get left out (so long, RAF bombers... - and some LW ones). Games in this genre have tended to take fighter combat as their starting point and then tacked everything else on, AND started with something like MA play, which militates against planes that cant survive well in that kind of environment, especially in the days before most sims gave us at least some degree of usable cloud cover. But doing things that way doesnt create a game that mimicks WW2 air combat; it allows people to have simulated aerial fights using simulated WW2 kit, not quite the same thing. It's taken a looong time for the industry to show signs of starting to overcome that bad (but perhaps understandable) start. Sorry, I digress..
My main complaint with WW2 combat flight sim publishers has been the dearth of Axis level-bombers. I look forward to my first online Battle of Britain re-enaction where I can fly a LW level bomber of the period OTHER than a Ju88. Happily, it looks as though AH is progressing and expanding to the point where it can sustain a number of types typical of various parts of the real war that don't survive well in the anarchic madness that is the MA. Fingers crossed, I'll get to fly a Heinkel 111 or - dare I even hope it?! - a Dornier 17 in a BoB game one of these years. Lovely though the Ju88 is, just the chance of a change now and then is good. The Ju87 doesnt cut it because its not a level bomber, and the Ar234 doesnt because it's a late-war jet (although also a thoroughly lovely plane to fly - in simulation in AH, at least!)
I just wish we could muffle the "need for speed" fighter whiners a tad... - but then, us bomber specialists tend to have more patience than some of the fighter types. Just as well, I suppose... (smile...)
Anyway - for what it's worth, there's my tuppence ha'penny on why us Luftwoffles are close-knit.
Esme
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Sure is easy to look at the board objectively when you are already biased to one side, right Grun?
No, indeed it is in the matter many people present it.. and if it isn't them, it's one of the other huffy LW players that will add in their 2cent crapola about special treatment, conspiracies or just off the wall BS and it sends the thread down in flames.
It isn't the well thought out requests that get hammered, if it were... you'd find links and prove it.
-SW
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Post some examples, Grun, because I just don't believe you.
SOB
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Oh yea nobody is biased, specially not you SW or SOB. Maybe we should just all shut up and let the unbiased discuss this.
SOB there are plenty of people here who whine if you dont see that then what can I do. My point is there are no threads asking why everyone whines, just a thread that asks why the so called LW contingent whines.
A perfect example of that is the P38. They whined and whined about flaps, armor, toughness. Some have done exactly like Furious accuses LW, they say there is a conspiiracy against P38 because aw shucks HTC just cant ever know how really really good P38 really was, really. Where was all the outrage for months of allied P38 whining?
And there is example of my point in this very thread. The first response immideately made fun of what I said and it only too 3 minutes.
Every type of pilot in this game asks for something for their favorite plane, sometimes they have data and sometimes they dont but it's a common fact of life on the BBS that a LW question thread will be made fun of or attacked. Or do you think the threads just turn hostile and nasty because everthing is OK?
Shit I bet none of you even notice all the nastyness, it's become so commonplace that you guys might even remember a LW thread
if it didnt turn nasty from attacks.
Everyone whines, LW, USA, RAF, Japanese, VVS everyone. Its just become so common to attack the LW whines that nobody cares bout the others.
And there is no conspiracy, no LW type ever came up with that idea. In fact the only people who ever say that are the folks who make fun of LW questions or comments, usually one of the first responses in a LW plane question is a smart bellybutton put-down "its the conspiracy again".
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Yeah Grun... when they make the accusation that their aircraft are intentionally being dumbed down while allied aircraft aren't... that ain't a conspiracy they brewed up... that's a... a...
Yeah....
And how am I biased? I'd like to see you come up with this one.
Point still stands, find us a thread that has only facts and data before LW people get accused of luftwhining or whatever.
-SW
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How are you less biased than me? Why because I fly LW planes? You are biased to all the planes you fly...
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Which are all them?
Nooooo!!!! I'm biased to every country!!!! AAAHHHHH!!!
-SW
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Whatever you fly I guess. But your point was that I'm biased only cuz I fly LW, I say you are biased to planes you fly.
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I'll agree with you that 100% of the "LW planes sux in AH" posts are BS. There is no way no know how any plane preforms unless you've flown in it. In fact, I doubt any plane in AH is 100% accurate. But there is plenty of evidence, in the form of LW documents, and piolt encounters that is thrown out there on the BBS, and is made fun of right from the first responce, even when the document posted does suggest something is inaccurate. It's just annoying when a few P38 fans whined about their plane, and got it fixed.... maybe HTC should have came out and said that their whining had nothing to do with it being fixed, becuase I think that set a bad example. Now everyone thinks they can whine about their favoirte plane and get it fixed. That covers about 90% of the "LW BS" posts, but this isn't to say there aren't any good posts where legit data is thrown out, and the poster is made fun of with the LuftWeenie stuff right from the get-go.
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I asked you to prove what you posted and now I'm biased about something? You said that anyone who starts a thread about LW aircraft, regardless of tone, gets flamed about it. I just asked you to prove it, that's all. I didn't offer up my opinion on anything else, but if you must know, I am equally biased towards all whiners - LW, Allied or other...a whiner is a whiner.
SOB
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Yes, you are biased to the LW side because you fly LW planes.
I'm biased to the planes I fly.. and I fly every plane...
That last post was sarcasm... I can't be biased to any one country's planes if I fly them all.
-SW
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Forgive SOB, he gets testy this time of year....Fatty keeps wanting to rub butter all over him and baste him.
Grun,
In the future, please start all your sniveling dribble laden posts with.....Once, at Band Camp......
It will help set the proper tone for our readers.
Thank You and Goodnight!
Cobra
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mmmmm...buuuttteeerrrrr
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Originally posted by Cobra
Grun,
In the future, please start all your sniveling dribble laden posts with.....Once, at Band Camp......
It will help set the proper tone for our readers.
Thank You and Goodnight!
Cobra
You cant help it Cobra....
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LOL Grun,
I'm just yanking your chain a little......relax man. Don't take all this so personally :)
Cobra
Happy Festivus!!
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I dont actually take anything on the BBS seriously or as a peronal attack - god knows I attack a lot and none of it is meant to be personally offensive or hurtful.
Anyhow, Merry Christmas and best wishes to you all.
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Piss off you ugly tard! ...err, I mean Merry Christmas! :)
SOB
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Perception is everything.
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Because they are all a bunch of whining weiners that have 3+ versions of their rides and dont seem to appreciate what they have.
I mean, hell! They dont even have a valid argument nor moral right to whine!
Now if you look at the P-38, one version & porked for most of its AH career.... ;) :D
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To answer Furious' original question: Uptight anal people gravitate to LW. At least they did when I was a LW. This doesn't mean they are all uptight and anal.
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You bastard!
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Merry Festivus to all, and to all a good night.
Wait a second, I thought Festivus was telling people how little they mean to you.. how is that happy? ... or merry???
:confused:
-SW
ps: Grun, I told Santee to bring you some perkle leather undies.
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
I see just as many complaints for japanese planes, US planes and brit planes. If you are willing to be objective and just look at the BBS you will see that. There is just as much reason for any LW request as for any other plane request, yet people just ignore that.
The difference is in the reaction, and basically people here sense that the "LW side" is the one to pick on and make fun of- this is no different than in any social grouping of people, there is always the one to pick on. So whenever a LW question is posted it's imediately seen in that light. For example once I posted very reasoned point by point totaly cool-headed undramatic list of easily documented grapics errors on the Tiger I model, I was immediately attacked as a whiner. Mitsu posted some requests that Ki-61 be changed, with no proof, and he got a congradutlatory message from Hitech. F4UDOA posts whines all the time. The P38 guys post on the BBS like it was some sort of flying death machine, that will never be done "right" in AH.
Now there have been a few dramatic types like RAM and manodble, but again you all seem to focus on them and ignore all the other plainly wierd and loudmouthed types in this community.
Thats how I see it.
Classic:)
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Originally posted by funkedup
To answer Furious' original question: Uptight anal people gravitate to LW. ....
I second this as my favorite ride is the 109F :)
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Originally posted by SOB
I asked you to prove what you posted and now I'm biased about something? You said that anyone who starts a thread about LW aircraft, regardless of tone, gets flamed about it. I just asked you to prove it, that's all. I didn't offer up my opinion on anything else, but if you must know, I am equally biased towards all whiners - LW, Allied or other...a whiner is a whiner.
SOB
Sorry to correct you in public SOB....there are the Whiney Whiners(worst kind of whiner)....I'm sure you just forgot about them:)
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We just spend more time on the BBS during our long and gracious climbouts. Spittards and LAmers never get much higher than 6 feet below :)
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Most of the LW guys are undoubtably impotent and they choose a "darth vader dark side" persona to hide the fact.. They become infuriated when people don't equate their plane choice with darkness. They are also among the less bright of flight simmers and by the time they figure out everyone is laughing at them... Well... that's just the way I see it anyway..
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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You know the boards search function is buggered when you get no hits for "p38 glass tail" or "p38 dive flaps" over a year ago. That was some entertaining stuff. ;)
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I find the LW post starters wildly entertaining, personally.
Especially when the subject is titled "LW needs xxxxx", "109G6 really needs xxxxxxx", "190 needs xxxx". Automatically ya know someone wants that item added, but they don't really need it added.
It's all about wanting an edge for "your" favorite plane, I see nothing wrong with it. Ya just gotta remember not to become obsessed with it.
As to the WW2 era LW documents, well, I put no more faith in them than I do Allied documents. From a personal standpoint, I find it hard to believe a government/society could be trusted to be honest about aircraft tests on one hand, yet lie through their teeth about how many innocent civilians they murdered. So, I take LW documents with a grain of salt.
The pilot personal accounts? LW pilot accounts were, IMO, no more reliable than their Allied counterparts, and I've seen too many Allied pilots' stories picked apart by Axis/LW fans to change my mind.
Just my 2 cents..................
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Damn, I always forget about the Whiney Whiners! ...or maybe my subconcience is blocking them out? :D
SOB
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Originally posted by lazs2
Most of the LW guys are undoubtably impotent and they choose a "darth vader dark side" persona to hide the fact.. They become infuriated when people don't equate their plane choice with darkness. They are also among the less bright of flight simmers and by the time they figure out everyone is laughing at them... Well... that's just the way I see it anyway..
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
The blackness of my Focke-Wulf, like inside of coffin, on moooooooonless night.
LOL Larz, get a girlfriend, or do as we do ... fly LW! :D
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lol Gscholz :D
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well seeing as how i have gravitated toward LW rides since joining AH (my first ever online sim i played) and I have had a few things to say on the bbs over the time ive been here I guess its appropriate to mention what im like personally:
I am extremely competative , opinionated , and rather short tempered.
I dont like cheats or anyone who thinks its ok to cheat, even on a small scale.
I dislike the rather common name calling, labeling of groups of players as a 'type' as its the same as racism in effect.
It ignores the individuals and causes those with legitimate questions to be pooled into a group and ignored or rediculed etc.
What i find amazing is you furious asking this when you yourself flew JG54 for so long.
From what i remember o the JG54 squad no one was anything like one another.I dont think we could have had a more diverse set of personalities.
Why have you decided to rake over some coals and cause another pointless post which is slowly building in vitriol?
the point here?
If like i think you are wrong and there isnt any more a 'type' of LW flyer than there is a 'type' of russian or allied fighter your post here, whilst im sure was light hearted in intention has turned quite sour quite quicky.
If you are right, and all LW flyers are , what did you call them? 'uptight' then you are , by your own sweeping statement condemned by the fact you flew with JG54 EXACTLY the same type of person. :)
now i dont know about you but there are many people on these boards who i tend to take an instant dislike to for what they post. SW for his incessant negative stance on any subject, Laz for his total intollerance of other peoples desires like bomber pilots etc, the list is quite long but you know these people arent 'allied dweebs' or 'LWhiners' or whatever other infantile name rude has invented this week, they are simply people. Idiotic or annoying people yes, but they are as individual as anyone on here.
I think what we see on these boards concerning anyone who flies a LW plane has become biggoted.Even HTC staff have posted what they THINK these peoples(the so called LWhiners) intentions are without any way of knowing their motivations.
this sort of post doesnt help anyone does it?
uptight? I would actually put it down more to frustration at the treatment recieved.Things like joke names cease to become fun or witty when they are used to spoil peoples enjoyment or participation in this game.I for one will no longer even try to add anything i find out in the books I read to the ongoing discussions on aircraft.I learned my lesson recently and well to be honest the enjoyment of the many discussions has completely gone.posts like this dont do much other than make me feel the BBs are a waste of time.
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Furiuos,
The more burning question for an undergrad psych student should be:What is the reason to open such a primitive thread?
Nothing else to do?
Ecke
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A classic example of the persecution complex at work?
Just play the game.
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btw all 190's are undermodeled. :D Thats true.
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Since the inception of this board there have been whines and rants from players that favor aircraft all the various WW2 combatant countries.
But for sheer volume (numbers), for obnoxious attitude, for accusatory invective, for tear-stained self pity and for a near total lack of common courtesy there is one group that stands head and jackboots above all the rest.
There can be only one.
Luftwhiners.
:D (Sorry, Hazed. Never was a more apt term coined. It has to be used)
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New infantile name coined just this week by Rude is.........
PoopyHead!
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Furious, you are a big jerk. A big, uncool, jerk.
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Now now erlkonig, he may be a little cool jerk. :) All the bat funk drastards have to make occasional inflammatory posts, it's part of fatty & gordo's PR campaign. Keeps 'em visible and all. ;)
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LOL Erl
Again, well said....
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hmmm.....
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ROTFL cobra
That was my laugh for the day :)
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Good one cobra
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I think a lot of the worst luftwhiners came here right at first from WB where they just weren't getting everything they wanted.. they were the worst of the WB luftwhiners and they were happy as little leather wearing clams here for a month or so... Then people learned how to fly a little better and how to use the views..
The real blow came when 1.03 was fixed to be 1.04.... people could dodge LW planes.. When that happened..... it opened the floodgates. Whenever you see a thread that wants to make the game more blindfolded or make the planes unable to manuver... it is a LW thread. I don't see why they don't just learn to fight.
lazs
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Nah rude PoopyHead was a name that Yak coined for a Luftwhiner at WB who's main gripe was 100% leathality. This Luftwobble didn't mind the chitty 190 FM, just wanted the cannons to work.
Don't know what became of him...
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poopie... the LW guys wanted 100% leathiality for LW cannon but felt 75% was generous for allied cannon and that 50% was more than enough for .50 calibers... .303's and ought sixes were put on planes for decrotive purposes in their opinion..
lazs
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1. lw planes are contiuously and consistantly undermodeled on just about every aspect. this has been proven over and over .
2.htc dosen't care. or did it on perpose the "help" the american side.
what can you do or say... nothing
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Originally posted by hazed-
...What i find amazing is you furious asking this when you yourself flew JG54 for so long...
Not so amazing. It is an interesting question.
...Why have you decided to rake over some coals and cause another pointless post which is slowly building in vitriol?...[/B]
This is not an accusation nor a condemnation. Can you explain why this occurs? The stereotype of LW flyers being luftwhiners came from somewhere. Most huge bbs blow outs are perpetrated by LW. (except maybe Nuttz, but we will include Funked) The vocal LWr's make it hard for the others that just wanna have fun.
...If you are right, and all LW flyers are , what did you call them? 'uptight' then you are , by your own sweeping statement condemned by the fact you flew with JG54 EXACTLY the same type of person...
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Exactly my point. I was wound up like a freaking top. I was not having any fun. Conspiracies abounded. History books started to piss me off.
Hazed, how many and how often did 9./jg54 members quit or squeaked incessantly about this game. How many constantly preached the virtues of another game because, "they got the LW right this time". Not all, but a lot. I enjoyed flying with you Hazed, you are a nice guy. I think being LW gets to everyone after awhile.
I think what it boils down to for the true LWr's is that the real LW had many great pilots, who had pretty damn good machines and still got beat down. Same thing happens here and its frustrating.
Thanks Erl, you brightened my day.
F.
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Originally posted by lord dolf vader
1. lw planes are contiuously and consistantly undermodeled on just about every aspect. this has been proven over and over .
2.htc dosen't care. or did it on perpose the "help" the american side.
Perfect luftwhine there.
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LOL furious... that was a big catch.. i think you might have to let grunz go though, as he's still just a minnow.. ;)
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Hey Furious I guess you're one of the gang now...
:rolleyes:
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I hate to burst your bubbles, but... it was I who invented the term PoopyHead©. I coined the phrase while taunting Brian Duffy during a heated dodge ball match in the third grade. Feel free to contact me directly if you'd like to work out usage rights for my word.
SOB
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Hey Furious I guess you're one of the gang now... :rolleyes:
I guess so. But I am also having alot, and I do mean ALOT, more fun.
I don't give a crap about the a5's deck speed anymore, I don't give a crap about d9's diving capability anymore. I just fly em. It's fun.
It's kinda like SOB. He is an evil incarnate. But as soon as I stopped caring whether he lived or died, I found I enjoyed the squad forum much much more.
Bitterness in game is sorta silly.
F.
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Did caring about A5 speed or D9 diving make you uptight, or was it the attacks if you asked about them?
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Originally posted by Furious
I guess so. But I am also having alot, and I do mean ALOT, more fun....
...I just fly em. It's fun....
....Bitterness in game is sorta silly.
F.
You have arrived. You have made it. You are one with the cosmic AH all.
Seems hard to understand and even believe your former existence now, doesn't it?
and welcome to the promised land.
:D
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Let me pose a question. I'm guessing that when IL2 FB comes out that there will be a lot of crying about P51 and P47 not being done done right, will that then be the birth of the allied whiner? And why wont you guys just shut up and fly them then? :)
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Well, Grun, I guess we'll have to wait and see. Well, you will. As I'm not in the habit of frequenting the boards of games I don't play.
There may well be some "allied whining". There's been some here. But I will wager this: It will never equal the volume or vitriol of the LW stalwarts.
There seems, to me at least, to be a distinct difference between the two groups of complainers. One group always seems to embrace and espouse the X-Files type conspiracy aspect. :D
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I have never hear of any conspiracy talk from LW types- in fact the only people who mention it are those making fun og LW guys, why?
And I think there will be much crying and squeaking and quiting for any mistake however minor in the P51 or P47 in the FB game - that will be fun but then I'm sure none of you will notice....
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Originally posted by lord dolf vader
1. lw planes are contiuously and consistantly undermodeled on just about every aspect. this has been proven over and over .
2.htc dosen't care. or did it on perpose the "help" the american side.[/i]
what can you do or say... nothing
There ya go. Just one quick example in this very thread.
As far as IL2, so far it hasn't much to offer the dedicated Allied flyer, so I doubt there's many that will quit in disgust over any problems there. Of course, maybe they can quit and come back 16 times. It's been done, hasn't it? But not by allied yet. :D
But you're right; I'll be here as long as I'm having fun. With the advent of IL2/FB, I expect this place will be even more fun. In a funny sort of way, I can't wait for IL2/FB.
:D
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It's been done, hasn't it? But not by allied yet.
Funked doesnt Count?
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Guess Fester doesnt count either...
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As far as IL2, so far it hasn't much to offer the dedicated Allied flyer,
You mean American flyer. The VVS werent allies?
Besides even the ami get 2 versions of the jug and possibly a p51d if the cockpit is ready.
Theres p40s and hurris as well. I have seen a spit temp and typh modelled as well.
NEW AIRCRAFT
In addition to all IL-2 Sturmovik aircraft and IL-2 Sturmovik free add-ons aircraft already released, here are the new aircraft:
Flyable
Axis
Ju-87D-3 Two seat dive bomber / ground attack aircraft
Ju-87G-1 Two seat tank buster / ground attack aircraft
Bf-109G-14 Fighter
Bf-109G-10 Fighter
Bf-109K-4 Fighter
FW-190D-9 Fighter. 1944 model
FW-190D-9 Fighter. 1945 model with MW50
FW-190F-8 Fighter-bomber
FW-190A-9 Fighter
He-111H-2 Multi-crewed bomber
He-111H-6 Multi-crewed bomber / torpedo bomber
Me-262A-1a Jet fighter
Me-262A-2a Jet fighter-bomber
B-239 (Brewster Buffalo F2A) Fighter. Finnish Air Force
Hurricane Mk I Fighter Finnish Air Force
Allied
TB-3 Multi-crewed bomber
La-5 Fighter
La-5F Fighter
La-7 2x20mm ShVAK cannons Fighter
La-7 3x20mm B-20 cannons Fighter
I-153 M-62 Fighter
I-153P Fighter
Hurricane Mk IIB Fighter
Hurricane Mk IIC Fighter
Hurricane Mk II with Russian cannons and MGs Fighter
P-47D-10 Fighter / fighter-bomber
P-47D-27 Fighter / fighter-bomber
P-40E Fighter
P-40M Fighter
P-40 field mode with Soviet M-105P engine Fighter
AI
Bristol Blenheim MK I Bomber. Finnish Air Force
Bristol Blenheim MK IV Bomber. Finnish Air Force
Fiat G.50 Fighter. Finnish Air Force
Morane MS.406 Fighter. Finnish Air Force
Morane MS.410 Fighter. Finnish Air Force
Mörkö Morane Fighter. Finnish Air Force.
Equipped with Soviet engine M-105P, captured by Germans and sold in Finland
Bf-110C Heavy fighter and fighter bomber
Bf-110G Heavy fighter and fighter bomber
Me-210Ca-1 Heavy fighter and fighter-bomber. Hungarian Air Force
Me-210Ca-1 Zerstörer Formation destroyer / ground attack.
Hungarian Air Force. In additional to standard cannons 1x40mm, 2x3 150mm rockets
Ar-196A-3 Sea plane
IL-4 1942 Long range bomber / torpedo bomber
IL-4 (DB-3F) 1940 Long range bomber
SB-2 M-100 Bomber
SB-2 M-103 Bomber
DB-3 Long range bomber
DB-3T Torpedo Bomber
DB-3M Long range bomber
P-51D Fighter. USAAF
Su-2 Close support Bomber
PBY-Catalina Sea plane
COMPLETE LIST OF AIRCRAFT
Flyable
IL-2 Single seat early, IL-2 Single seat, IL-2 Single seat late, IL-2 Field modification with rear gunner, IL-2M Type-2, IL-2 Type 3, IL-2 Type 3M, IL-2T, IL-2I, I-16 type 18, I-16 type 24, LaGG-3, LaGG-3-IT, LaGG-3 Late, La-5FN, MiG-3, MiG-3ud, MiG-3 AM-38, MiG-3 (2x12mm MGs), MiG-3 (2x20mm cannons), MiG-3U, P-39N-1, P-39Q-1, P-39Q-10, Yak-1 Early, Yak-1B, Yak -7B, Yak-9, Yak-9D, Yak-9T, Yak-9K, Yak-9U, Yak-3, BI-1, PZL P.11, Bf-109E-4, Bf-109E-4/B, Bf-109E-7/B, Bf-109E-7/Z, Bf-109F-2, Bf-109F-4, Bf-109G-2, Bf-109G-6 Early, Bf-109G-6 Late, Bf-109G-6/AS, FW-190A-4, FW-190A-5, FW-190A-8, Ju-87B-2,
AI
R-10, U-2 (Po-2), Li-2, MBR-2 seaplane, Pe-2 1st series, Pe-2 84 series, Pe-2 110 series, Pe-2 359 series, Pe-3, Pe-3bis, Pe-8, Tu-2s, He-111Z, Hs-129B-2, Hs-129B-3/Wa, Ju-52, Ju-52 seaplane, Ju-88A-4, Fi-156 Storch, FW-189, Me-323, Me-321, He-162A, IAR-80, IAR-81, Mc-202
In total with IL-2:FB and IL-2 installation you'll get 129 aircraft, at least 80 of which are flyable!
IL2 FB wont effect ah one bit because its a box game with a multiplayer component. Its a lot fun too.
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Originally posted by Furious
I guess so. But I am also having alot, and I do mean ALOT, more fun.
I don't give a crap about the a5's deck speed anymore, I don't give a crap about d9's diving capability anymore. I just fly em. It's fun.
It's kinda like SOB. He is an evil incarnate. But as soon as I stopped caring whether he lived or died, I found I enjoyed the squad forum much much more.
Bitterness in game is sorta silly.
F.
WTG Furious!!! Welcome to the cutting edge of the center of the universe:)
What a wild concept eh? Just relax and have some fun.
Ya know...what most don't get is that relaxing and having fun does not mean you don't take what your doing seriously. No one wants a kill worse than I do....the difference being, is I place the blame where it's due...square on my own shoulders and not the FM of the ride I'm drivin.
Keep Smilin!:)
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Exactly Rude...I too place the blame where it belongs. Square on your shoulders, you should have been there to clear my six!
SOB
PS...Furious, I posted some pennance on the squad BB. Thespians even, err....
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I quit.
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I quiet.
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Originally posted by Wotan
You mean American flyer. The VVS werent allies?...
...IL2 FB wont effect ah one bit because its a box game with a multiplayer component. Its a lot fun too.
Indeed, I should have said "American Flyer". Thank you. Although I do believe the gist of what Grun said
there will be a lot of crying about P51 and P47 not being done done right, will that then be the birth of the allied whiner
dealt with P-51 and P-47 complaints as "allied whiner".
Wotan: IL2 FB wont effect ah one bit because its a box game with a multiplayer component. Its a lot fun too.
Perhaps not. But given all the unhappiness expressed lately, it might.
I'm all for folks going where they have the most fun. If some of those so unhappy here were to move on to there to a place where they were happier, wouldn't that be the best possible outcome?
They'll be happier in their new game and those of us still here will be MUCH happier here.
:D
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Originally posted by funkedup
I quit.
Finally.........again, whew.
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Originally posted by Furious
What is it that makes the LW so tightly wound?
No other group of folks consistently pops a cork and spews on the bbs. No other group consistently whines or squeakes as much. I know the leather causes rashes, but are the panties too tight as well?
Does being a self proclaimed LW make you uptight, or do uptight people gravitate to the LW, and why?
It’s a frikken weird phenomenon. Might even make a good thesis for an undergrad psych student.
F.
Why, so you can feel supperior to somone of course.
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Originally posted by Pongo
Why, so you can feel supperior to somone of course.
ahhhhh. thanks for setting me straight. your clever reasoning has exposed me for all to see.
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Pongo is right, you ask a question in which you already have an answer to. It would seem you were just looking to post a reply that would include "I am beyond that now".
I knew you would come back eioth something to that effect when 1st read the post.
How about naming off all them lwhiners. From checking the "whine" threads going back a few months you get 5 or 6 folks tops. You say your JG 54 guys were uptight whiners as well but I havent found any posts by umm. So I guess you are referring to their squad bbs or singling out Hazed.
Anyway you got your "pat on the back" for being a "reformed" lwhiner I guess.
Now be good dog and go lay down. Bark if you hear someone outside.
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yep... I've noticed that the LW guys allways go to a new game that "get's the LW planes right" until.... it is discovered that they did not get the LW planes right and that the LW planes were being overmodeled or that the allied planes were being undermodeled. Then the whining begins again in earnest..
Take WWIIol ... got "doomie" working there... he believes that a 190 should turn with and climb with a Spit 5. He believes that the rear view from an F6 was nonexistent but that the 109 was totaly unabscured... he believes that the LW ammo had better ballistics than allied... If you like that kind of thinking then you won't be happy in AH.
It's all so self defeating anyway... If you "fix" the LW planes, make them invincible, then.... everyone will fly them.... even the skilled players... the diehard lufwhinesrs will then drop down about 20 notches or so on the "skill" ladder... although... I can't think of anything more boring than a game full of LW planes all hiding from each other.
lazs
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ah dear wotan, that blind eye giving you trouble again?
...as for Hazed and Grun, and the rest of jg54, I hold no animosity towards any of them. They are very nice guys and I am happy to have flown with them. If they feel this an attack on them, then that is a shame.
as a home exercise, wotan, make a list of all the recent bbs blowouts, going back say 6 months. who are they? do they have any ingame affiliation? please post your results.
by the way i sleep on the couch, will crap in your shoes and bark when i damn well please.
F.