Aces High Bulletin Board
General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: StSanta on December 27, 2002, 02:24:42 PM
-
I've got a somewhat serious situation at hand. Let me give you the background.
Mother works with the social services, working primarily with immigrants and refugees. She has a client, a 33 year old Somali woman, who drinks heavily. As a result, my mother and others decided it'd be best for her 5 year old son and her 15 year old daughter to live in foster families til she gets her act straight.
Turns out we have a mutual acquaintance. She came, skunk drunk and began saying lots of nonsense. Then she learned my last name and threatened to kill me. The other in the room threw her out.
Today (minutes ago), I meet her and two male Somalis outside the door to my apartment. She says 'this is your final warning (still drunk as a skunk) and one of the men show me a nasty looking knife. The she says "soon we'll slit your throat, when no one is around. Your mother will cry over her lost child like I cry over mine. I tell her to calm down, sober up and she starts screaming and yelling. I enter my apartment and close the door. She continues to make threats.
She's about to do 30 days for threatening her social workers and my mother. Thing is, she has a previous conviction of assault with a lethal weapon. Four years back she and two men (not sure it's the same) knifed the grown son of one of the step families her son was staying with at the time. He survived but with massive damages to his intestines. She got a jail sentence for that, along with the two men.
So I'm in trouble here. Talked to father; he won't let me have my shotgun at my place because I haven't got a safe to store it in (required by law). Told me to press charges, which I have. That doesn't mean toejame though - a piece of paper won't prevent her and her friends from coming for a little visit. Am thinking about procuring a weapon through the black market. Hell, I've even thought about preemption through other non legal methods.
Had I been allowed to own a handgun, I'd feel a hell of a lot safer than I do now. I don't know when there's gonna be a knock on my door or it gets kicked in. And the idea of having my guts penetrated by knives is not too appealing either. What the hell am I to do? I've got no part in this mess but now I'm a target. I keep to myself and don't disturb others to AVOID situations like this :(.
I'm at a loss. I don't feel safe. Can't live with my parents because there's no room, and they feel that it's just idle threats. I don't. What to do? Help would greatly be appreciated.
What a mess :(
-
She has a record so FFS stop fannying round and ring the bloody polic! have you no friends to stay with for a few days, surely if you explain someone will put you up.
-
Done that. She'll get a court date set for a couple of months from now and walk free in the meantime. That's how it works here.
I could stay with friends, but not indefinitely. There's no telling whether she'd wait several weeks or strike right away. :/
I'll talk to some people that are in the Hells Angels environment. For a few thousands, they'll deliver a message to her. Could do that. One of the advantages of living in a worn down enighborhood is that you get some decent underworld contacts.
-
Get a fricken safe if your father really requires it (it's YOUR shotgun?). Carry some kind of weapon, anything's better than nothing. And check 6 frequently until this squeak is sent back to her craphole country.
That said, she's prolly bluffing.
ra
-
This will seem like foolish advice to many here, but, get an illegal gun, and only use if you are 100% sure they are going to kill you (they are trying to stab you)
I rather break the law than get killed.
-
Prepare to defend yourself, safe or no safe....I'd rather be charged with not having a safe if the alternative is being harmed. If they aren't exactly folowing the law (brandishing a weapon, threats), why are you?
Lock n load, dude. People are threatening you, the local law enforcement sounds laughable and your Dad won't allow you to be armed because you dont have a safe? No No No....
Between you and me, I wont tell anyone you dont have a safe :) But do arm yourself, just incase you need to defend yourself.
-
Better to be judged by 12 than carried by six.
Protect yourself.
-
Come on now, Santa. This is a fishing trip, is it not?
Anyway, I hear Beetle has some spare room at his place and will even let you use his microwave. And sharp instruments are not a problem anyway; they're not designed exclusively to kill and most of the world uses them quite peacefully every day.
:)
If it really is a problem... I hear transatlantic airfares are at an all time low. You can stay in my spare room. I'm sure I can keep you busy with tons of minor jobs. I need a clean sweepdown and full touchup on the PT-19, for example. Are you good at automobile cleaning/detailing? :D
-
It's a kinder and gentler world, peace man, guns kill people. Rely on the government and law enforcement they will make it all better, really. That poor woman, on welfare even, remember too she's not the one to blame society is it's not here responsibility it's ours and we should feel guilty and give her the deserved attention she needs after she stabs you.
All kidding aside if you need a ticket out let me know I got three rifles and a safe house you can use :)
Or I know a couple of hard pipe hitting fellas down the street who'll take care of this matter for a 5 piece meal deal. For an extra sixer they'll get rid of the evidence
-
Well......
I dont think a shotgun will help you much, I mean after all you're gonna have to keep it in the flat even if it isnt in a safe.....and *if* you are gonna be attacked it'll be as you're entering or leaving your home or en route to somewhere else. So......you're putting your key in the door and some Somali potato peeler walks up behind and sticks a shank in your kidney.....hmm, the shotgun was a lot of use there now wasnt it?
No. Something you can carry permanently would be much more useful, a small pistol perhaps (ONLY if you are trained and fully confident in it's use, wouldn't want to blow your own balls off now would you). I doubt a knife would be much use unless you've spent 10 years being trained by monks on a mountain somewhere and in which case you probably wouldnt need the knife anyway. If you know any police you could try to blag some of that anti-knife attack body armour....or if you know any live roleplayers who made their own chainmail, same effect. Stopping the initial attack will probably stop all of it, as soon as the knife/shank/axe/whatever bounces off you can react, it's when the attack comes without warning that you're in deep shi*t.
As for the idea of some Hells Angels giving Mrs Somali some good news......well, Somali's a kind of a special breed, in fact I'll go as far as saying they're all complete nutters. Threats dont work on Somali's, violence doesn't really work either unless such violence leaves said Somali in a state that would cause no further reaction, ie cabbaged or dead. If you're gonna go down the threats route be very very careful.
On the plus side, no Somali I've ever met has shown any evidence of any kind of fighting skill and should you take a month long course in self defence I'd fully expect some arse kicking to take place unless you choose to come home very very drunk to find 4 of em waiting for ya. However, on the minus side I've also never seen any evidence that Somali's hold any value in human life.
Merry Xmas.
(http://image1ex.villagephotos.com/extern/640697.jpg)
-
Santa...this is not going to sound great, but trust me on this one.
The law cannot help you in this situation. Nor can the Police. At least not if Denmark is the least bit similar to Sweden.
So you called in the police, so she got a day at court. For a thing like this she might get something like a month or two in jail...MAX. I have seen cases where guys who were doing time mailed postcards to witnesses that testified against them in the trial promising to kill them once they got out...that guy got 4 months.
Our laws simply cannot handle this situation. Our politicians have decided long ago that criminals are all decent chaps really, they just had a bit of bad luck or whatever...the point is we should not punish them, we should...treat them .
I see the effects of this everyday. Chase someone with an axe while screaming that you are going to kill him? 1 month in jail.
Call someone on the phone 10-20 times/day and say you are going to kill him? 5 000 SEK fine.
Break into someones home armed with a knife and try to stab him? 6 months.
Did I tell you I hate my job btw...?
Police? Yeah...they will do their best, and to be perfectly honest I have no idea how the Danish police is when it comes to manpower and resources, but here in Sweden we have too few policemen. They will do their best naturally, and trust me, they do a marvelous job despite all the toejam they are getting from every direction. I have nothing but respect and admiration for those guys.
But if that lady decides to come after you, do you really want to risk it? In my hometown there are 7 cops working every night (90 000 invabitants) they ride in two cars with 2 guys each, and one with 3. Say one of the patrols is taking care of a traffic accident, while the other is taking care of a domestic dispute...the third one is patrolling somewhere in the city...how long time until one of those patrols can get to your home if three crazed somalians are breaking down your door?
The security of our laws is an illusion. Most people live happily in that illusion all their lifes, never even realizing that it is an illusion.
Bottom line:
Get a gun, and get a vest..not the big kevlar vests, but the small ones the cops use, they are pretty much worthless against guns, but they dont weight much, you can have them on you all the time and they will stop a knife.
And move to another part of town.
Regards
Steve
-
Buy a machette :D
One of those pig stickers gets close to ya...whack off the hand that holds it ;)
-
Man sorry to hear about your situation. While a gun might make you feel better it won't make the situation go away. IMHO shooting somebody (even if they are threatening you) could potentially lead to further escalation. I had a situation years ago that got ugly. A guy climbed up (high as a kite) on to my second floor apartment balconey after I told him to quit squealing his tires outside my window. When he started climbing, I got a gun without even thinking about what I was doing. When he reached the rail and started to step over, I cocked it and told him I was in fear for my life. He really went nuts then but he came no closer and after screaming at me for what was probably a minute but felt like hours he climbed down, got back in his car and parked it at the next apartment building over. I called the police. When they showed up I told them the story. They ran his plates and told me he lived in the next building over and has some "priors" although they wouldn't say what for. When they left he came back and kicked the door once, more I think to scare me than anything else as he didn't stick around. I called the police again and they came right back. Just then my wife came home from aerobics...while the police waited we packed our bags and left. We checked in to a hotel that night. I contacted the apartment complex the next day and they let me out of the lease. I was willing to lose my deposit if needed but I think they didn't want the bad press if something happend. We moved the following weekend and I had a bunch of buddies help me. That was 7 years ago.
So, my suggestion is to contact the police and tell them what is going on but in the interim move someplace where you will be safe. Once you have some space you can figure it out. They could follow you to wherever you go that's for damn sure but that would require more effort than just showing up at your door. Aside from that, there isn't much else you can do IMHO. I have several guns and keep one in my night stand drawer. In retrospect, if I had shot that guy my life would have been hell. I had truly decided out of fear that if he came off the rail I had to shoot him as he was telling me he would take the gun and kill me. I somehow decided I would shoot him in the head and with the range and a 15 round clip I know I would have suceeded. It wasn't macho, it was fear. Moving solved my problem and I hope it might solve yours. In the meantime I'll keep you in my prayers.
-
Could you get a hold of a bullet proof vest (body armor) somewhere? Maybe your local police could supply you with one until some time passes?
Meanwhile, at least carry your own knife, edged weapon, pepper spray, sap, etc.
Try to get those two goons of hers identified too. If you can get them arrested off the street you've won half the battle...:eek:
G'luck, keep your eyes open!
PS: Think a knife fight through in your head beforehand. You would be fighting someone from a knife culture, so he/they would have an automatic advantage.
You need to steel yourself to be mentally prepared for recieving ghastly wounds to your hands and forearms without going into shock, if you are to survive a determined attacker with a knife.
-
fluff'n A, Rooster!
-
move (at least temporarily) , get armed... in that order
and get new fishing hooks.. I hate the barbed ones
-
Melt one end closed, fill it with wet sand and melt that end closed.
Carry it in your coat sleeve, if they come at you with a knife 1st break the arm holding the knife then wrap it around the bastards head, he won't get up......
-
Why wet weazel, more weight?
-
Thanks for the advice guys. Unfortunately I'm in a desperate financial situation, having to subside on what little money I've saved uup because I am not eligible for welfare and has just gotten my degree (have applied for jobs, but it takes two or three weeks for them to go through the applications).
I'll talk to my bank and see if I can borrow money, and then order a knife resistant vest from some US company. Any suggestions on where to get it?
Will arm myself. Moving out is going to be more difficult. I'll call my brother in Sweden and I could stay at his place, but applying for jobs would be hard since their answers would be mailed to where I live now. It's probably what I'll do anyhow.
Toad, no. Am not trolling, this is real. Sure, she might just be drunk and utter things, but the fact that she showed up at my place with her friends and her prior convictions means I have to honour the threat.
Gonna talk to a neighbor about getting a gun. I only go out to get food, play tennis, skydive or scuba dive, so there's no chance of encountering her in a social gathering.
Good info on the garden hose. Will do that tomorrow.
Thanks for advice on talking to my HA connected people. I know how little Somalis value life, and that's exactly why I am worried. She'll go to jail for a month starting on Monday (if she shows up at the jail that is) so if I can make it to that day and she goes, I'll have a month to get set up. Doubt she'll get the two guys to do it without her. But she might.
F*ck. I don't like this at all.
-
Wet sand is more 'solid' than dry sand. Dry sand has more give in it. Plus it does add more weight.
I think Eastwood used a sock with quaters in it also.
USCavalry is one place that sells vests online.
-
I have seem pics of them Somalis they look as tough as an Ethiopian. By her some booze and some UN groul and she may love you long time.........
Knives? are you sure see aint British? Check her teeth............
-
Tolerance, understanding and diversity will save the day!
Just explain to your assailants that you understand their plight, that you revel in the diversity they bring to your country, and you're more than happy to tolerate anything they do or say, because your ancestors at one time may have enslaved theirs.
Also, singing kumbaya and we are the world tends to alleviate such greivous situations.
-
Santa.. tend your line
-
Hit someone in the head and it will wrap around crushing their skull.
It's an old <1950s> gangbanger weapon, in a pinch you can snap a car antenna off and wreak some havoc on them too. ;)
More weight grunherz.
-
Beetle is notable by his absence.
-
Agreed, beetle must be very confused now.
Shit Santa ol buddy this sounds serious. I think it's best you move away from this nutbag and the area if you can. In the meantime maybe arrange for some friends to be with you whenerver possible, I think its much more likely they will try to hit you when your'e alone. Try to get armed somehow but be smart about it and dont get into trouble that way.
-
as I was taugh as a child- improvise and overcome, use a little imagination. look around your apartment for tools to defend yourself.
it's not hard to find a leathal or at least incapacitating weapon.
use a little situational awareness.-
look at where you go through your day and the vulnerable spots in this situation.
if you are worried about legal prosicution find different forms of protection for different places/times throughout your day. something you can justify having on hand after the job is done.
let me stress that what follows is NOT a recomindation.
but just to get you started here are a few things that I would hate to have used on me.
1. oven cleaner
2. spray paint (auto touch-up paint comes in pocket sized 4 oz cans)
3. Raid wasp and hornet spray (sprays a poison very chemicly simular to nerve gas, in a 12' focused stream)
4. a sock with a bar of soap in it
you can get any one of these for about 6 bucks
most come with the warning 'illeagle to use for purposes inconsistent with labeling' so there is no way I would recomend using these for deffence (would be ileagle you know).
on the other hand it is far better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6
-
get a really good motorcycle jacket ( yall have the biker type with chain mail in um ? ) will turn 90 % of knives lessen damage from them that get thru.
get a big diddlying shiny bowie knife live with it in your boot. then you see um you kill um. in my experience every black dude sees a white guy commin with murder in his eyes looses interest. chicken toejams to a man.
welcome to texas.
-
Originally posted by Hortlund
And move to another part of town.
Do this...change your phone number and keep it unlisted.
You are gonna look funny heading for the tennis court in a Kevlar vest.
Get yourself a heavy walking stick...one that would crush skinny bones...and carry it with you. Something that if swung in a wide circle would prevent anyone getting close enough to use a knife.
Be careful with the gun, if you get one. Shooting a by-stander would be a bummer, to say the least. My pistol skills are seriously lacking...just ask Swoop. Are you confident you can kill someone at 25 yards or even much less? It ain't as easy as it looks on TV. Many of the guys here have been shooting guns since they could walk and I am supremley condent that they would hit someone at this distance...as long as the target stood nice and still and didn't put any pressure on you...such as running at you with a knife. Can you say the same man?
-
you can always go for the "Bad Boy" weapon...
pillow case with a few unopened cans of soda
or
rolls of quarters in pillow case or sock
-
wont fit in your boot tho.
-
Find out where the kids being kept and tell them. then its someone elses problem.
Or be prepared to kill or be killed to protect the kid from them.
All the rest is horse toejam.
-
dude just call ten friends, all armed with bats and chains, and go do a preemptive attack on these fools.
Or ambush them when they go kill you.
And kill them.
-
My guess is you have similar laws like we have here.
With that kind of story and couple persons to back it up it would be pretty easy to get a license for a pepper-spray.
Are you having any Russian travellers there? Some of them could maybe sell you a Russian spray (I heard it's pretty efective).
-
Buy an air gun, put mace in it. Probably you will need to make pellets. There are some sites that describe how to do it.
-
Also, you don't need a license to own a gun that uses black powder...so buy a nice revolver or something like that, I'm sure those Somali f*ckers will run like hell.
-
If I was Santa, I'd be a little overwhelmed by the 'advice' he's getting.
Sounds a terrible situation mate. The city where I live has these Somali bastards - my brother lived near one of their dealing grounds as a student.
They are diddlying bananas - talk about tribal.
I hope you can find a solution - but I'd move out, until things have settled. You can always let a neighbour get the mail for you and forward it on.
Take care mate.
-
Somali culture is quite clan based. I hate to say this but if there are more somali's in your area you got more than 2 to worry about. :(
Best thing I could suggest to you buddy is to move to another city. You gotta decide if ego is worth risking your life or risking you having to kill one of them.. or worse, living in fear of them.
Good luck to you Santa. Do keep us updated.
-Tac
-
move away
-
Keep a gun at home. Screw the law.
-
Get that shotgun from your dad or buy a gun...and lots of ammo.
Rent Blackhawk down.
Watch the movie over and over again. Stay awake for 72 hour-periods, followed by short periods of sleep when you know you are safe. If you must, take amfetamine to stay awake. Drink beer if you're thirsty.
Wait.
-
(http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00003TKY6.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg)
or this...........
(http://www.orientalfilms.co.uk/deletedtitles/savids/instantkungfuman.jpg)
be careful
-
Some people are giving you good advice. Unless they attack you with a bat. In order to protect yourself from blunt weapons you should wear plate mail over your kevlar.
-
Originally posted by Hortlund
Get that shotgun from your dad or buy a gun...and lots of ammo.
Rent Blackhawk down.
Watch the movie over and over again. Stay awake for 72 hour-periods, followed by short periods of sleep when you know you are safe. If you must, take amfetamine to stay awake. Drink beer if you're thirsty.
Wait.
"Young Danish Man Flips Out, Cuts Off Heads" :)
-
Rent a Ninja.
-
Santa, sorry to hear about your situation.
Can you ask for police protection ?
Are those immigrants ? I can imagine their greatest fear would be if they are sent back to Somalia. Maybe you should contact immigration office for advice.
I'd move to friends, don't like the idea of waiting for them to make the first move.
-
Thanks for advice. Gonna take her to court first of all. Don't want to move out, as it seems like giving in to threats, and that might encourage her to ger her Somali friends.
They're nutters, the whole bunch. Unfortunately, we have lots of them here. One tried to stab my old neighbor in a fight, but broke the weak bellybutton knife on his jeans button.
Gonna talk with some people tomorrow, and depending on how that goes either move out for a while or get a gun.
-
Never underestimate the power of a big fediddlein piece of chain. Doesn't take much space, but gives you some room and wraps around an arm nicely.
How fast can you run? ;)
Seriously dude, unarmed combat is a serious proposition when it's life and death. There's no such thing as "defending yourself." If it comes to the point where a conflict is inevitable, you must be prepared to be meaner, more evil, and downright nastier than the other guy. If you arm yourself with a knife, remember: a knife is NOT a defensive weapon. Attack, attack, attack. Don't over extend yourself...
But if I was you I would avoid it anyway you can. Especially if there are more than 1 involved. Get something that will give you enough time to get out of the situation. Pepper spray, etc.
Somalis....don't get me started....
-
Santa, pretty much what Hortlund said, if Denmark is anything like Sweden the law can do nothing, they'll be out from Jail before you even know they were ever in.
First thing you need to do is read up on the laws in Denmark. In Sweden we have a law called "Nödvärn". Basicly it says that you're alowed to use as much violence as needed to protect your self or any other person. If you are attacked by a man with a knife and there is a chance of you getting killed, you're alowed to protect your self with whatever force needed. This is pretty obvious, however, you need to know the law so that you later can say in the court that what you did was indeed "Nödvärn" and you must know what laws you have to back you up.
Also, arm your self with some kind of small weapon, no sort of gun, will only bring missery to your self and possibly other, specially if you don't have any kind of education on them. A small knife or "knogjärn" (fist iron?), just somehting that you can have in your pocket to protect your self if the situation REALLY requires. Pepper spray can be usefull I guess but. having been exposed by teargas (3 times stronger then normal police gas) I don't think it will stop a person, maybe buy you some time to run away though.
Problem with Sweden and Denmark is you're basicly not alowed to carry protective weapons of any kind, it's elegal to walk around with a knife unless it belongs to your uniform (meaning if you are a carpenter and need a knife you're alowed to have it in public as long as you have the uniform on).
Get a vest to protect from knife stabs, not cheap but needed.
Don't call the Hells angles guys, delivering a message to her will bring nothing but her whole family on you and that's not what you want.
ALWAYS try to RUN before you do anything. If they do attack, SCREAM alot (it helps believe me, it may seem like a sissy thing to do but it scares them, makes them uncertain and warns people around you thus exposes them, one of the best things you can do).
Buy a small pocket alarm (like a keyring thing that, when the plug is pulled sound of with 100 Db, nice thing to have).
-
Originally posted by Wilbus
If they do attack, SCREAM alot (it helps believe me, it may seem like a sissy thing to do but it scares them, makes them uncertain and warns people around you thus exposes them, one of the best things you can do).
Buy a small pocket alarm (like a keyring thing that, when the plug is pulled sound of with 100 Db, nice thing to have).
This sounds like a good idea. Nobody will be able to do anything, but at least there will be witnesses, and someone to call an ambulance. :rolleyes:
It's times like this I'm glad I live in the USA. (At least for now, we'll probablyend up where you guys are now eventually)
Odds are that these guys are going to be able to beat you in any kind of "even" fight. So using a knife or any kind of "hand to hand" weapon will probably do more harm than good. Better to get stabbed and left for an ambulance, than force them to go further. Fighting is probably only a good idea if you have some kind of trump card handy, (i.e. a gun you know how to use) Unless you're confident that whatever agressive action you take will do the job, the best thing is probably to just get the hell out of there. Run, instead of trying to fight, or even better get out of thier before there is a confrontation.
Trying to fight when you can't win will only make things worse. Pride is something to be fought off, and is of little use in any important decision.
The stab proof vests are a good idea. Mace may be enough if it comes down to a confrontation. A pistol possibly, if you can learn to use it properly, and carry it with you. The shotgun seems pretty useless unless they were to try and break down the door.
(note: I have zero credentials, and am mostly talking out of my ass, take anything posted above with a grain of salt)
-
Seriously dude, unarmed combat is a serious proposition when it's life and death. There's no such thing as "defending yourself." If it comes to the point where a conflict is inevitable, you must be prepared to be meaner,more evil, and downright nastier than the other guy. If you arm yourself with a knife, remember: a knife is NOT a defensive weapon. Attack, attack, attack. Don't over extend yourself...
Best advice I have seen here. If it goes bad and a fight of any type is inevitable, attack with all the force, anger and rage you can muster. Command the fight, put the opponent on the defensive.
Use whatever weapon you can lay your hands on, when its for real, there are no rules.
dago
-
Pick up the cell phone and call the cops then run like hell. Better yet, call in a cobra attack helicopter and watch your assailant go down.
:D
-
I dont know about calling in any cobras...but i liked the idea about the sand in the garden hose or...a nice heavy piece of chain...with some suitable object on the end...like one or two or hell...even three of those U shaped jobs on the end with a screwlike pin through them...hide it in your jacket....that oughta give em second thoughts...but practice wailing it around to get the best effect
-
how did these turds get in the country in the first place!
Can you say imagration reform!!!!!!!!!
-
Ignore these fools Santa, my advice:
Option 1:
Somoli aye? Go buy some friggin airliner manuals, post them to the squeak from an anonymous address and then ring the FBI, CIA, Secret Service, and National Guard to give them a 'tip off'.
Option 2:
Go buy a toejamload of booze, and a crapload of ratpoison. Mix it all up, put on some xmas wrapping, drop it off at her address.
Either way, problem solved relatively cheaply.
-
Ask them if they've seen Blackhawk down.
-
Hum, my apologies santa, didnt read the entire post, just saw some kung-fu pictures and thought it was a funny thread. Anyways, I agree with swoop in that if they tried anything, it would be when you leave or return home. Where and when would you try if you were them. At your doorsteps or near your car. Crazy people all right, druny mother with assault charge wanting her child. Two men with knives. In any case better to be safe like looking both ways when crossing the street sorta rule here. If it were me, I would go buy a safe and get the shotgun but then your at risk between your door and your car. Good luck hope it doesnt turn out worse than it already has.
-
Go ahead and get a gun safe. However, in the mean time, they make this stuff called "Bear Spray". Hikers use it to stop charging bears (or its supposed too). Its just a high powered pepper spray. If they come back, spray them in the eyes, then call the cops. Hopefully they will be immobilized long enough to be arrested.
-
Wanna know what I would do, next time they come by threatening you again, grab a bat and knock the living earthen daylights out of them.
:p
-
It's amazing the lengths a supposedly civilized country will go to in order to ignore the obvious...
Unarmed citizens are victims waiting to happen.
-
at least get a toy pistol that looks realistic, and spray paint it black. if they don't have firearms, they will back off.
-
Man this is the funniest thread I've read in a long time. Keep the advice coming fellas!
-
Stay away from Hells Angels. It will most likely just get you into even more trouble.
As someone else said, get a fairly heavy leather jacket.
CS spray of one sort or the other is your best option.
Have a couple of sticks handy at home. (50-75 cm length. Baseball bat is too heavy and too easy to avoid, although intimidation factor is good).
A good old fashioned umbrella is also a fantastic weapon.
Get fit. On the streets, by far the best choice is to run.
Getting a gun is a very desperate measure. Just getting caught with it, can ruin your career.
Daff
-
Keep some rocks in your pants at all times. If worse comes to worse you can take them off and swing the pants around your head to give you some breathing room. Plus the rocks make a great ranged weapon.
-
Originally posted by Thrawn
Keep some rocks in your pants at all times. If worse comes to worse you can take them off and swing the pants around your head to give you some breathing room. Plus the rocks make a great ranged weapon.
Plus it might give the impression that his package is larger, wich may arouse the drunk squeak and turn a potential fight into a hot sex scene.
-
Am dismayed to hear about this situation Santa. You are right to take the threat seriously.
Moving away would be the best option, but you said that would be difficult because of finances. Carrying a handgun is not a good choice, unless you have some experience with guns...though it may be an expedient solution for your self defense, you'd just about have to carry it in your pocket everywhere you go, and would tend be a hassle in the long run. Plus, if you kill one of the Somalies using a gun, the others may seek retribution in kind.
I think Weazel's idea of the hose is excellent. Also, a good stout walking stick or cane would be handy. But only use one, and practice with it. The thing to remember is to get something between you and a knife attacker...a garbage can lid for example, hell, even a plastic milk jug lying on the ground would help. And never let them get close to you, i.e. move back as they move forward. If you're wearing a coat, you can take it off and use it to ward off the knife. Carry around a sharp pencil in your shirt pocket...it can be used to great effect if one of the attackers grabs you in a hold. Pencil targets are the eyes, throat, and heart (though this would likely kill.) Go to the bookstore or library and pick out a flat, hardback book to carry around...good for putting between the knife and you, and to use the sharp corner of the book in an attacker's throat or eye.
You're probably already in good shape physically because of tennis, scuba diving, running, etc. I recommend you find a karate dojo, and seriously train. This will help your SA, along with some self confidence in being able to have some control over a situation where you may come under a surprise attack. You can train at home in your room after the karate workout...this will improve your skills, as well as keeping you in a state of preparedness. The drawback to this is it takes time and hard work, however, the sooner the better. If you start training in a tough dojo, you wont have the Somalies on your mind so much that you're living in fear. You'll probably be more concerned about the workout. The advantage to training in karate or other martial combat arts, is it turns your body into a weapon over time, and you carry that with you everywhere you go. It's also a weapon no one can take from you and use against you.
Surprise attacks are advantageous when someone is going to, or getting out of the car. Or when someone leaves or enters the house. If you live alone, you have somewhat of an advantage in that regard...at least YOU won't be surprised. Travel in a group of friends, and make sure they are "in the know" and checking your six as well.
I don't blame you for being scared Santa. It sounds like a miserable place to live. I can tell you one thing bro, the guys here on this board are all confident you will defend yourself in an intelligent and serious manner, however you chose.
Les
-
From what I've seen in here too, Somali's are mostly only trouble. They stab people left and right here also, so I understand why santa is worried.
If I was Santa, I'd try to get a restraining order on those mf's so he could call the cops immediately if they break the 100 yards radius for example.
IMO Somali's should be sent back to their wargoing homecountry immediately if and when they show first sign of not adjusting to the society (as with other refugees..)
I don't understand why refugees are allowed to stay in the country even after they steal, stab and rape. Completely insane.
-
Santa I would also recommend some body armor that covers the upper body torso area. That way if you did get "stuck" you stand a chance of counteracting the blow. Ok, heres the plan... still thinking... I still think the bat and body armor should do it. Now on to planb, what if they pull out a knife (without blitzkrieging you first). They are in front with a knife or knives in hand. You draw a bat. Then one of the bozos draws a gun. Now what, everything is escelated to decon1. If they come to your house again, they sure as hell want something.
-
Oh FFS. Will you guys *think* for a second here.
Keeping a gun in the appartment is a stupid idea, it'll be out of reach when needed. In fact leaving any handy weapons around the home is stupid. What if Mrs Somali decides to break in while Santa is out.......suddenly the fully fueled chainsaw in a handy to reach place is looking like a much better prospect that the 4" pen knife she's got. No, forget stashing weapons Santa needs something he can carry all the time, something that isnt gonna get him arrested (so knives and guns are out), something easy to conceal (so a 4x2 is out).....I quite like the garden hose idea someone came up with above.
As for body armour........well full plate armour may be a little OTT, besides anything else you need to be able to run if there's like 6 of em. The bikers jacket would work but you need to find one with kevlar everywhere and a solid back protector - wont be cheap - and find one not too restrictive. I still think finding a live roleplaying group and borrowing some home made chain mail is your best bet, it'll stop blade attacks to the torso, isnt so obvious that the attacker will go for another area immediately and will be light enough not to restrict movement too much. The last thing you want is to step out into the street looking like an 800lb tank, only to get stabbed in the face instead of the gut cos it's the only clear area, go for stealth with the armour. The armour is only there to prevent the initial attack anyway, once they realise you've taken measures to protect yourself then you've gotta make the decision to fight or flee......all the armour is gonna do is give you the time to make the decision.
However, if you're not at all confident in your ability to defend yourself.........move. Do it man, it's not worth living in fear for the sake of some maniac Somali potato peeler. You can get the mail forwarded.
(http://image1ex.villagephotos.com/extern/640697.jpg)
-
If you really want to get him in toejam...next time you see him,tell police you saw him with a gun.
-
You keep forgetting one thing. It is not just drunk mother and two thugs. It is the tribe.
What if he even gets mother and thugs arrested ? He can never know if they have cousins and nephews just like them. That's how it works with those people.
They have found easy life in Denmark, probably have everything payed for them, and they aren't working either. The message for them should be that they will lose all of it if they don't accept the community rules.
Either deliver them a message they will understand or get out of there.
-
HOW TO MAKE YOUR OWN PERSONAL
FLAME-THROWING DEVICE[/size][/color]
http://bloodfest666.com/ass/FT.HTM
-
Wait are you talking about a drunk woman and relatives or all somalis in general you racists bastiges. santa the best thing you can do is invite them in and explain you are sorry for any wrongs you've done and give them the number to your bank account.
btw, those felles I know down the street are ready to roll but they upped the pay off to extra crispy and a case since it's so far to walk
-
If all else fails...snakes!
-
That sucks Santa.
I too have been in a similiar situation before, although not near as severe. The worst i expected to recieve was a good hard beating. But i know the feeling of having to look over my shoulder a little too often. It is a horrible feeling.
Short of moving really far away (you say that this really isnt a viable option right now,) you can only arm yourself legally.
The hose and pepper spray ideas are good, but might wind you up in trouble yourself. "posession of a weapon with intent to endanger the peace of the public" would be the charge here. A buddy got charged here with that after he faced about 20 guys with a tire iron. (he never once raised it above his waist.)
My choice of defense is a 3 D cell maglight flashlight. Tough, heavy (but not too much so) and easy to conceal and carry. I keep it next to the seat in my car and have even carried it up my sleeve in really rough neighbourhoods here.
Best thing is, there is a large line of these flashlights to suit your needs. They start at the 2 AA model and go up through 4D. They even come in attractive anodized colours! Yay!
Cops cant do anything about them either. Well i guess unless you were swinging it around in broad day-light. I got harrassed by an off duty cop just recentley for having it with me. I just told him "well, as you can see, it is dark and i have trouble seeing in low light conditions." He immediatley backed off.
Good luck Santa, hope everything works out for the best.
-
people seem to like the hose idea. bad idea. if you make the weapon and you end up having to kill one of them (people do die in fights, all they have to do is land wrong when you knock them down) then you go to prison for PREMEDITATED murder. you took time to build a weapon. you planned this.
find weapons you can explain having on you. if your laws are anything like the US, they tend to stop the police from doing anything about real criminals, but come down fairly hard on fed-up people taking care of the problem theirselves.
if you have a car, then bring your tire iron in and out of the car with you.- afraid theives will steal your tools
carry your gym bag with you- a can of soda or large bar of soap in a long sock will take out a couple guys with knifes. especialy if you through a can of spray deoderant in the bag too.
keep oven cleaner or bug spray handy at home.
also mark and check entries into your home. know if someone has broke in before you enter. something as simple as setting a little of the corner of the doormat leaning aginst the door will tell you if the door has been opened while you where away. if they get inside your home and wait for you there you are screwed. they would have plenty of time to dis-able phones, check out wich neibors are home, and find the best place to hurt you for a long long time. if they are looking for information from you a quick stabbing out on the street is the least of your worries.
also vary your routine, get off your schedule. leave a little early. take different routes every day. park in different areas. gget 4 or 5 different routes and places to park at each location you frequent. make it imposable for them to predict what time or place you will be at any moment.
put yourself in their shoes and think things through. step outside yourself and look at yourself as prey. look at what you do, how and when you do it and where would be the best time/place to hit you. then protect yourself. if you can't avoid these week moments then find a weapon you can explain having on hand (if you cant improvise a weapon that will be explained, then buy a weapon. building home made weapons that serve no other purpose is a bad idea. you will do jail time. it makes you look like a psycho. prosicutors will play you off as a nut job who built this weapon and was just looking for an excuse to try it out on somebody)
-
Thanks for the advice guys.
Right now I got insect spray ready at hand along with a sturdy knife used for slaughtering elks and deers. If the police ask about it, I'm just taking it to my father because I've borrowed it from him.
Have a heavy leather jacket and will use that. Have notified neighbors and (the reliable ones) have agreed to call the cops if they hear any disturbances coming from around my place - whether I am home or not. Took at bit of persuaiding, but they agreed in the end.
My plan is basically to leg it if it comes to that. I have a big window I can get out of and even if one is waiting it is elevated, so I should be able to kick my way out if they're too close. If I meet 'em on the street, I leg it (am a decent runner) to the nearest big road and hail down a car.
Will avoid confrontation to any extent possible, but I am mentally prepared for it.
Worst thing is the paranoid feeling I have. Looking over shoulder all the time, especially when Somalis are around.
This may sound racist but isn't. Somalis in general (statistically speaking) are no good for this country. They've found out they can come here and get money for doing nothing and they know they won't be deported for crime as long as it isn't murder. Even then they have to go through the courts for a deportation order. Unemployment amongst Somalis in Denmark is 90% - only group that has more are Palestinians at 92%. I've heard some laugh over the foolishness of Danes - 'stupid people who work all day and then we can just chill out and collect more than they earn through various schemes and manipulations with the welfare system'. Stuff like that. It's sad.
Anyway, thanks again for your advice. It is appreciated.
-
Good luck, and stay well ! Don't forget your 'normal' life ;)
-
This may sound racist but isn't. Somalis in general (statistically speaking) are no good for this country. They've found out they can come here and get money for doing nothing and they know they won't be deported for crime as long as it isn't murder. Even then they have to go through the courts for a deportation order. Unemployment amongst Somalis in Denmark is 90% - only group that has more are Palestinians at 92%. I've heard some laugh over the foolishness of Danes - 'stupid people who work all day and then we can just chill out and collect more than they earn through various schemes and manipulations with the welfare system'. Stuff like that. It's sad.
Of course it's racist, but who cares? If it's true, it's true. We have the same elements in America, but they don't just come from Somalia. If I'm racist to believe we'd be better off closing our doors, so be it.
-
Yup that makes you a racist. If you think a different culture or race behaves and/or acts differently then you despite all the stats that show differently you are a racist.
generalizations = racism
You should have compassion for Somali- (insert country here) You are but a pay check away from a dung hut, UN gruel and a liquor bottle.
Its not the behavior of these poor people thats abhorrent, but your generalizations that are offensive.
Embrace diversity and give her an "inclusive" hug the next time her and her tribe threaten to gut you.
-
She may steal the bug spray, ever see pic from afrika? Theres a lotta damn flies :)
-
Originally posted by Wotan
Embrace diversity and give her an "inclusive" hug the next time her and her tribe threaten to gut you.
Geezus, two guys make a tribe? If I hang out with a couple of white guys can I tell them they are in my tribe?
"It's amazing the lengths a supposedly civilized country will go to in order to ignore the obvious...
Unarmed citizens are victims waiting to happen."
Yes, we won't be safe until everyone has firearms. If everyone had a pistol, then there would be no more victims, we would be safer and it would make peace officers jobs easier.
"If I'm racist to believe we'd be better off closing our doors, so be it."
Your not a racist if you want to close the doors to everybody. As far as the, "if it's true it's true" tautism, well you would have to prove it's true, before it's true.
-
Not my word it was borrowed from the other racists above who equated them with "tribe".
-
Yup that makes you a racist. If you think a different culture or race behaves and/or acts differently then you despite all the stats that show differently you are a racist.
Rofl Wotan!!!! :)
-
Thrawn-
You're right, of course. It is much better that St.Santa is afraid to walk down the street for fear of getting murdered by people that have absolutely no interest in meshing with their foster country's customs. Yes, by all means, let everyone in, let them sponge from the working class, and let the law protect them more than it does its own native citizens. It's the only humane thing to do.
Better still, disarm the native populace in the interests of being civilized. No way anyone is going to need to protect themselves in such a progressive society, right? I mean, stats don't lie...
Fooey on that. He ought to be able to buy a gun, carry it, and whip it out when the clan jumps out. Stuff like this is what turns anti-gun people pro-gun... of course, only if you are the anti-gun person walking in St.Santa's shoes.
-
Thrawn:
I'll come up to Canada you can feed me, supply me with decent housing, and give me some spending money. I will do nothing for any of this but if you complain some guy in another country will call you an intollerant racist on this BBS. BTW I plan on terrorizing your community because I'm a crminial and was raised all my life ion a lawless black market thug environment.
This European welfare state garbage is going too far. I'm sick that all these refugees and others get so much support when they have no intention to integrate or work hard, and yes that includes the lazy basatards from my country that plague the wealthier European nations.
So until I start getting that check from you or at least an airline ticket to Canada why dont you shut up...
-
Get some body armour and try and change your appearance. That might buy you enough time to run away or disarm them.
-
Lock your door, try to be around friends when you are outside and take it easy. Threats are threats. Do not arm yourself. Its very hard to actually kill or hurt someone. Draw a knife without experience, and you are gonna get cut. Run and you are ok. You are gonna be fine. Every day someone is threatehened by those morons, seldom a normal guy is hurt.
-
Its very hard to actually kill or hurt someone.
true it's not like the movies where ya shot the bad guy once and he drops like a rock. yer gonna have to drill that son of a gun til he drops, how many times depends on the caliber
and never ever answer questions immediately after an incident until you have had a good night sleep or a substantial amount of time has passed to calm down and you've had time to think of the events clearly. otherwise you may be taken advantage of during questioning and say or agree to things you not want to.
remember you didn't shoot to kill the assailant you shot him to prevent him from harming you or others
of course you may find yourself calming down in a cell with someone named bubba but atleast you get to rest abit
-
Call Tony Soprano...tell him you got Meadow pregnant...he will either kill you himself, or protect you. Make sure you call him Papa when you see him. :D
Or, grow a beard, wear your police or DEA shirt, or I suggest go skull plow the bastards....one at a time, then scare the squeak by blowing her eardrum with a M80. (or, put 110 volts to the front door knob) Hello, com'on in........hehe!
Good Luck,
Thorns
-
Get a guard dog (German Shephard) but make sure he doesnt go attacking nice strangers. I love dogs myself.
:)
-
Originally posted by senna
Get a guard dog (German Shephard) but make sure he doesnt go attacking nice strangers. I love dogs myself.
:)
This has to be one of the best posts on this thread, and one of the few really practical ideas.
Are dogs legal in denmark? :rolleyes:
-
PITBULLS!!
I work at nite and we live in an iffy area,,,,,,,,pitbulls are not that big and yet will put the fear of God into any intruder. We had a breakin in our garage and my wife sicced the boys on them.........she told the cops(who said"if you find out who they were let us know") that she never saw two guys run so fast
BING0
-
I have nothing but hatred in my heart for those people!
After what they did to our Rangers( draggin there dead nakid bodies thrue the street) I hope they all burn in hell the fnnnnn
savages!
So sue me if i sound like a redkneck.
I serverd in that unit and to see my brothers in arms degraded that way Piss in the somalians let go back home and kill each other untill they can learn to behaive in society !
As afr as im concerned America should just say NO to imigrants .
We are full and cant take care of our own and Santa i bet its the same inn your country.
Screw the bleeding hearts if people are tierd of staving to death stop makin more babies and start makin some food ya dumb asses!
You ever notice that those countries were people are starving
they still have the energy to make more babies wich by the way just end up starving to death too!
I say stop giving them food and start passin out rubbers!
-
That, and they're ugly too.
-
About time for St.Santa to pull a Beetle and declare this a test of Americans, and himself a genius for thinking of it.
-
I'm thinking it's more like the Elfenwolf Bungee Jump thread.
Anyway, Santa... I still need somebody to do oddjobs. Room and board in a nice place where you can pretty much do what you like. No Somalis for a few hundred miles I'd guess.
Let me know. ;)
-
About time for St.Santa to pull a Beetle and declare this a test of Americans, and himself a genius for thinking of it.
it's only a matter of time, he's probably ready to burst like a cork right now.
-
Why I said it might look like racism but isn't is for the following reasons:
Racism is the belief that one human 'race' is superior to another.
Somalis aren't a race, but a cultural and ethnic group. If a white person is born in Somalia and gets citizenship, he or she is a Somali. As such, it does not refer to one single 'race'.
I dislike the Somali culture. It's embraced by most Somalis. That may make be a culturalist, since I think ours is superior and better, but it does not make me a racist.
Had I said 'Somalis are bad because they're black' that would have been a racist statement. As it is, it's a statement on culture, not race.
And of course I generalize. When you use statistics, you have to more often than not. If you have 999 outta 1000 cars that blow up randomly, you'd say "statistically, that is an unsafe car'. No one would dismiss it with 'that's a generalization' - of course it is, it's in the nature of it. Apply the same to humans and you're a racist. It's odd.
-
Having a guard dog around is a good idea.
I just don't like the knife idea, too many things may go wrong. Better to carry one of those long Maglites, but that's just what I'd do.
-
Originally posted by Toad
I'm thinking it's more like the Elfenwolf Bungee Jump thread.
Anyway, Santa... I still need somebody to do oddjobs. Room and board in a nice place where you can pretty much do what you like. No Somalis for a few hundred miles I'd guess.
Let me know. ;)
Hey Toad!
Dunno if you're serious but I'd take you up on that! ;)
-
"go skull plow the bastards...." ... lol thats the greatest saying ever
anyway....IF you end up with a firearm and are forced to use it....for christs sake dont go emptying the mag on them....fire once and see what happens....cause if your first shot kills or mortally wounds...but you put four more into them....the cops will bust ya for murder...just a thought
-
Originally posted by Replicant
Hey Toad!
Dunno if you're serious but I'd take you up on that! ;)
Nexx. I'll be "over there" the end of January.
toad@13thtas.com to set up an interview. I really may be able to use someone about 6 hours a day and 5 days/week in return for room and board.
-
St.Santa-
I wouldn't bother to qualify how you feel. Those that understand don't need to hear it, and the ones that need the explanation won't listen anyway. I find it easier to say "I am a racist- so?". Saves time arguing, and I don't have to listen for the Nth time what a racist is.
-
Maybe you guys should leave the whole racist BS thing as it is, Santa has a problem and I doubt that all these people spewing all their frustrations with immigrants does any good.
Don't know about guns, I would say that these would only produce more problems for you. Best stick with an effective weapon that can't be designated as such afterwards, i.e. the big flashlight sounds good.
My advice: take up some self defence sport, karate, jiu-jitsu whatever, as someone said before, it increases your situational awareness, confidence, keeps you sharp and also very important, your mind of the threats when you're not in danger. Don't let your everyday life be ruined by this toejam.
And in the same street, visit the gym three or four times a week, makes you sharp, confident and it can give you that little edge that might be decisive in the end.
you will pull through this and in a year this will only be a bad memory.
GL!
-
If you do get a dog and it gets hurt during the fiasco, you'll feel pretty awful bout it later. Unless you dont like dogs and its just a defense weapon. If you end up getting a gun, I suggest firing it in the air once. That should freak them out. Dont shoot at them first. Rent some Clint Eastwood Dirty Harry movies and start studying Santa...
-
Wait a minute. Dont shoot into the air. That may freak them out and they may run but then they can tell the cops anything, like you shot at their heads and missed or something. You were a mad gun toating man and they were defensless. I guess thats planC to worry about. The post legal issues.
-
when shooting in the air you also have to worry about that whole GRAVITY thing. :rolleyes: what goes up...... and all that.
seriously when you fire a gun you are responsable for that bullet until it comes to a stop, whereever, and in whatever that may be. all warning shots should be placed in a tight group in the center of the chest.
-
Man I wish I could draw.
I'd do a Santa BEFORE advice from the O'Club pic...showing a scholarly average Swedish guy carrying some books...maybe a pocket protector and glasses for effect.
Then in the AFTER advice from the O'Club pic I would have Santa in his tennis gear pictured wearing a flak jacket, a flame thrower strapped to his back, an AK-47 in hand and ready, a ferocious pit bull on a leach strapped to his arm...oh, and his tennis racket rattling along the ground tethered to his web gear..complete with bandoleirs around his chest and a few grenades dangling from his ammo pouches...just in case.
-
The infuriating thing about this to me is how the inability to arm himself effectively in his "progressive society" has stripped him of the ability to live his life normally.
-
Originally posted by Kieran
The infuriating thing about this to me is how the inability to arm himself effectively in his "progressive society" has stripped him of the ability to live his life normally.
That's not true, the Somali's have done that. Or are we going to blame society for everything, what happened to personal responsiblity?
He has plenty of options besides arming himself, and they would probably be more effective to maintaining his current lifestyle.
Does he really want a confrontation with the Somali's? Is there way he could avoid killing/injuring or being killed/injured. He's single, he doesn't have a job, what other options does he have? Is being armed any sort of guarantee that he would be safe from them?
-
No Thrawn...don't tread on Keiran's right to fill someone with lead.
I certainly don't dare disagree with him.
You simply have NO freedom without the right to bear arms. Those of us not from the US just have to accept that.
Now, I'm off to ask my government's permission to take a leak.
-
That's not true, the Somali's have done that. Or are we going to blame society for everything, what happened to personal responsiblity?
It's society's fault that cuthroat foreigners are living in his town, spending his money, and threatening to kill him. His personal responsibility is to defend himself, which society makes more difficult. Like taxpaying, law-abiding citizens all over the world, he gets F****D.
ra
-
Exactly, Ra. Society has removed St.Santa's ability to resolve the situation himself, and worse given such a light penalty to the persons responsible they won't think twice about stabbing him. So... if St.Santa tries to defend himself, he runs the risk of getting exactly the same penalty as the people who are threatening him. The police are not (by his admission) going to protect him. Sounds like his hands are tied to me.
And listen to all the stupid things people are telling him to do to protect himself... damn, you guys have him walking around in fricking body armor! In his own neighborhood! That doesn't seem the least bit extreme? Are you so terrified of honest people owning guns that you would dress yourself in armor to keep it from happening? Stupid, stupid, stupid.
Yes, if the law won't protect him, he should be allowed to protect himself. God forbid you should walk a mile in his shoes.
-
Originally posted by ra
It's society's fault that cuthroat foreigners are living in his town, spending his money, and threatening to kill him.
ra
If anything it's the fault of the Danish refugee processing system, not the society as a whole. The act of accepting of refugees itself is an eminently moral act.
And is infact covered under the The Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees. Of which your country, mine and Denmark are all currently member states.
-
Hi Santa,
bad situation :o
I wouldn't recommend to buy an F16 and bomb her house nor would i send these Hell Angels dweebs in the first place.
What about tryin to contact the somalia comunity if theirs any and find some1 somalian (priest or similar) to talk to her + her 'friends'.
Get some pepperspray, a good door & maybe a doooooooog for selfdefence.
Regards
Blitz
-
I'm very sorry to hear your problem santa. As MrSid stated, we have those same somalibastards hear in Finland too. No wonder the radical right starts to rise its head..
Anyway, lots of different weapons has been suggested, but the best one is definitely the dog. Besides for self-defence, dog is your best friend. Lots of joy from it. The problem is that dog is not short term solution to your problem, except if you happen to know some adult good nature dobermans (or other suitable dogs) available. Best pet is buy a puppy and train it by yourself.
One thing is sure; no matter how brave somalibastard sees this:
(http://www.kolumbus.fi/cool/doberman.jpg)
he'll run! Dunno about what religion somalis are, but IIRC atleast muslims afraids dogs, if dog bites them, they are not alloud to go to heaven after death or something (not sure if this is true).
But get yourself a good dog (doberman, rotweiler (SP?) or german shepher), which are legal in Denmark. These dogs has strong nature to defend their master.
If you have same kind of laws that we have in Finland, you can't hurt them! Otherwise you'll go to jail and pay lots of cash to them. That is the reason, I wouldn't carry any weapons except perhaps some gases or electric devices. But if your dog happens to rip an arm off from the somali because he attached, perhaps laws are more approving. Also having a dog in your home will guarantee that none will burgle in without your dog noticing it, that's for sure and I believe the burglar changes his mind about burgling at the same second he sees your dog.
Good luck santa.
-
Took you guys up on the advice. Now have a *very* protective yellow labrador retriever sitting next to me. Parents are going away over the weekend, so he's all mine.
Poor neighbors get frightened to death though. He barks as soon as anyone enters the door to the corridor outside my apartment. Real loud deep bark.
And I get loads of exercise. He's a big dog for a labrador, very muscular and only way for me to have him in my little place is to try to tire him out :D.
Haven't heard anything from her or other Somalis since last time. Maybe the police picked her up for her 30 day sentence. I hope so, because I doubt those men would do anything without getting some from her.
-
Yellow Lab for protection? LOL! They are teddy bears!
-
seriously, all this talk of buying a gun.
if you aren't well trained and are considering this...
either get trained or don't do it.
nothing worse than an armed person with no idea what they're doing.. or worse yet.. a half-baked idea and no respect for the weapon.
-
One toss of a dog cookie and your security is gone.
I dunno....Life in danger...check...post of flight sim BBS for life or death advice...check.... :rolleyes:
Glad to see your posts...you're still kicking then!
-
M A C E.... use it. Its NON lethial and will take down a guy w/a blade.
FatBat
-
Originally posted by Vulcan
Ignore these fools Santa, my advice:
Option 1:
Somoli aye? Go buy some friggin airliner manuals, post them to the squeak from an anonymous address and then ring the FBI, CIA, Secret Service, and National Guard to give them a 'tip off'.
Option 2:
Go buy a toejamload of booze, and a crapload of ratpoison. Mix it all up, put on some xmas wrapping, drop it off at her address.
Either way, problem solved relatively cheaply.
THIS IS THE BEST IDEA YET! (IM ONLY ON PAGE2 ) BUT YA GOT TO KNOW WHAT SHE DRINKS!
-
Originally posted by batdog
M A C E.... use it. Its NON lethial and will take down a guy w/a blade.
FatBat
gonna have to disagree with you there batdog.
sp, cs, mace, pepper spray doesnt really work that well. Plus you are almost guaranteed to feel the effects of it yourself.
These sprays are designed to work (poorly) on someone who is not expecting it. If some dudes are coming to kick your arse in pepper spray will not make a lick of difference.
most sprays have a range of about 8 feet. You have to hit the guy near the head too. If you spray him on the legs or torso it will take about a minute for him to feel any effect in his eyes/throat. Even if you hit him straight in the eyes at the effective range of 8 feet and he is moving towards you with a knife, you are going to most likely get hit. If he has a gun the spray is useless.
Add the fact that these rutabagas wont attack you one on one....might as well throw the cs spray at them and run away really fast.
I was serious about the maglite post Santa. The dog makes things even better
Dog barks at intruders, position yourself so you are hidden. Click the light on and point it in the face of the intruder (there goes their night vision while you still have yours) turn the light around and bring it down on their collar bone.
Go for their right collar bone too, as most people are right handed. It takes 8 pounds of pressure to break a man's collar bone and you know that they can't wield any weapon after that bone gets broken.
-
Well santa this ought to sum it up for ya
"There are two kinds of people in this world: those with loaded guns and those that dig- you dig!"
(http://MyWebPages.comcast.net/winyah999/dig.jpg)
-
This dog ain't meek when it comes to intruders.
Unfortunately, mace is illegal in Denmark. As is zappers and any other tool for self defence that possible can be used to assault people. Police took 10 minutes to get here last time - more than enough time for someone to kick the door in.
Maglite vs knife. Don't like the odds. I'll try to leg it if it comes to that and fight with all I got if I have to, with whatever is at hand.
Unfortunately she's staying at an 'open' prison which is incredibly easy to escape from. I doubt she will - it's in the middle of nowhere and she'll prolly suffer from withdrawal symptoms. She might though. Same symptoms might drive her to do it.
A gun and some training on how to use it and I'd be ok. I know how to use my shotgun - been using it for 8 years now. It's been 'renovated' once and I've picked it apart more times than I care to think of. Of course I've never aimed it at a person, but I sure would feel safer with it around.
Dog will do though. Max is cool. (Right now he's looking at the door, ears raised because he heard someone walk past :D).
Dogs are probably one of the best things God or Random Fluctuations In Space Time have created.
-
Man this has got to be a troll. Mace illegal? Open prison?
:D
-
agreed
besides, if santa were in trouble the elves would help out..
no I mean..
he'd be too busy 'defending' himself (or at least moving or preparing) to surf the board and play games all day