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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: SwampRat on March 25, 2001, 07:44:00 PM
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...just wondering. Would be real interesting to see.
SwampRat (Tumor to you AWrs)
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Actually i'm still playing AW3 on Sat night to help old squad on SN's for those members who can't move to AH just yet. But i'm pushing hard on recruiting for here (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Nomde
63rd FS, 56th FG
"Zemke's Wolfpack"
(http://nomdegurre.tripod.com/signature.jpg)
"God loves the 56th cause we keep Heaven filled"
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I left when they were screwing around with the damage model. I believe that was pre-EA.
Huh, to think we were paying 40 bucks a month for 40 hours for AWII at one point, ah the silliness (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Jig in AWIII, Vader Dweeb, extraordinaire
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Huh, to think we were paying 40 bucks a month for 40 hours for AWII at one point, ah the silliness
Oy. That brings back bad credit card bill memories. I remember pre-flat rate...
I have a feeling AW will be swarmed with "relaxed realism" dweebs once AW goes on the EA main page... Not unlike the early AOL days of AW... Ah well, I'll keep my fingers crossed that the hard-core AW junkies make the move to here.
~Lemur
[This message has been edited by lemur (edited 03-25-2001).]
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Jig
I remember that damage model garbage! I didn't bail till last fall after a few months of constant dumps to desktop after 10min of flight. Got old but I stuck to AW until I finally ran out of patience. Too bad about AWIV, was really looking forward to it.
Swamp
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Canceled my Gamestorm/EA account this weekend. I honestly hadn't used it much over the past 3 years, but I had held an continuous account in AW since the early days of AW4W on AOL.
But the crap EA is pulling was the last straw.
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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure
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What's Airwarrior?
=o/
[This message has been edited by Brat (edited 03-26-2001).]
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Originally posted by SwampRat:
...just wondering. Would be real interesting to see.
SwampRat (Tumor to you AWrs)
Well, I have not made the switch....yet... and I had to think about saying yet. I may do so but I have to first convince myself that 30 bucks a month is not too expensive. I am the CO of The Misfits squadron in AW and mentioned to another squad member last night that I had been having thoughts about trying out AH. To this he answered "If you spend thirty dollars a month so will I. I go where you lead." I have a feeling that is what will happen with several of the members of the squad. That is the way of *most* of the players in AW as I`m sure some of you already know. The game isn`t the keeper of the player. The friendships achieved and maintained is what keeps all of us going back for more in AW.
Do not count us out. One day soon you may indeed be shot down by a Misfit and wonder to yourself just who the hell these guys are creating all this mayhem all of a sudden. <G>
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Well... New players are ALWAYS welcome Otto. Remember, the vocal few registered on the BBS(me for example) do NOT represent anyone else in AH. We are just obnoxious and do not bear the thoughts of others.
AH is a lot of fun, just ignore the banter and it'll be the most fun 30$ will getcha!!!
-SW
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Otto try it aleast for 1 month if you choose not to stay then quit anytime Htc will refund unused balance. I'm sure you will enjoy it and that seems to me to be worth 30 bucks but that is for you to decide.
S! hope to see you in the air
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Pray not for an end to the slaughter...but for VICTORY!!!
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I am here, now.
Warms the cockles of my heart to see Dok Gonzo of the 4Q each time he gets a kill scroll by -grin- (wonders which A26 is him.. owes him some from long ago :)
Slowly gettin my trackin skills adapted.
Neat how so much learned in AW FR crosses over. Also neat how so much that was demanded for so long in AW is in AH ..I should have come over long ago.
Glad to have finally shrugged the chains off.
-GE (ack really makes short work of a jug :)
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Just a clarification on the heading of this thread. The people in AW didnt leave EA and AW. EA and AW left us. Hung us out to dry actually.
Hope to see you all in the AH MA soon.
Damned Wrongway
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The real answer is more and more each day; and I'm still not sure what I feel about it.
On the one hand, this is a great game, and I'm very happy to be playing it.
On the other, AW was once also a great game, and it almost hurts to see how it's suffered under the neglect of the last few years.
Nonetheless, make no mistake, there are some good, some very good AW sticks, even in Relaxed Realism.
Any flight sim worth the name stresses three things: 3D geometry, energy management and flying on the knife edge. Those skills are transferable, it'll just take some adjustment.
For me, as a former AW'er, the two hardest things to get used to are the nose/head wobble (which I've managed to largely tune out of my stick scaling); and compression. I've augered here more times in three weeks than I did in 3 years in AW. What's it like for an ex WB'er?
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Well.. I think I have a fairly unique perspective. My background is actually from both AW and WB's. For a very long time I flew both. I started in AW, switched to WB's, but couldn't afford to feed my addiction at $2/hr, so when I hit my budget limit each month, I went back to AW. Plus I was involved alot in the AW Scenarios.
So when I came into AH when the beta started, I would mostly have considered myself a WB's guy, with alot of friends still in AW. So I had/have a pretty good feel for both (all three?) FM's.
To me the hardest things that AW guys would have problems adjusting too are Trim, Energy management and gunnery. In that order.
Trim isn't as much of an issue as it once was, after combat trim (CT) was introduced. Not because it takes the skill out of trimming an aircraft. Far from it, because given equal skill, someone who is manually trimming will usually perform better than someone who is using CT. But at the low end of the skill curve, the new pilots, are not so far out of the trim "Curves" that they are wallowing all over the sky. And at least have some "minimal" level of being able to manuever.
Energy Management. True we don't have the super delicate E management of the pre 1.03 FM here in AH anymore, but compared to AW where you could loop a P38 at 20k continuously and actually gain altitude by playing the flaps like a piano, its a world of difference. And yes I am talking AW in Full Realism. Basically IMO you have to "think" more in AH (or WB's for that matter) before you enter a fight, than in AW. Its not so much a matter of just being a good stick and rudder man, as also playing an aerial game of "chess". You have to think ahead, and pick and choose your fights alot more.
Gunnery. To me when I made the transition to WB's (and I think it would be similar for guys going today from AW to AH, due to the similarities of AH and WBs) gunnery was a real squeak. No matter if AW was using either hit bubbles or hit shells, I always found the gunnery there to be a simple matter compared to AH/WB's. No wonder alot of new pilots here fly Chogs and Niki's. Lots of ammo, to spray and pray with, and if you hit something it stays dead. I honestly think that if new people had to fly something like a single cannon 109 or a Yak when they started, each and every one of them would leave immediately and never come back.
I've babbled enough.
But in the end, the transition from AW over to AH is alot like the transition in AW from RR to FR. Its hard at first, and takes some time to learn the differences. But if your a good stick in one, you will learn to be a good stick in the other. Its just a matter of what your use too.
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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure
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Originally posted by Grayeagle:
I am here, now.
Slowly gettin my trackin skills adapted.
Neat how so much learned in AW FR crosses over.
One thing that doesn't crossover too well...it is much harder to do a double Immel here.
Good to see ya here GE, maybe I'll get to take a pot shot at you in the MA instead of in the BW NG (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Lars
***MOL***
Men Of Leisure
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"it is much harder to do a double Immel here."
Yes. Course that is aircraft dependant. I love out immeling Spits in a Yak. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
-Westy
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Airwarrior...
Hmm, that name rings a bell (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Welcome to Aces High gentlemen!
Badboy
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The thing that will frustrate AW'ers most, though, is the gunnery. Having to really be concerned with convergence, ToF, and drop - in addition to all the regular crap of A-A shooting, makes dweebs out of everyone for a while.
There's also the issue of un-learning bad AW habits for those who played that game a lot. Especially in the early days. I'm still saddled with some of these - I don't use rudder much at all (because for the first few years the rudder in AW didn't do nothing), and try to convert a fight way too quickly (back in "the day" you had to).
The B26 is fun. Not as much as the old A-26, but still can be an instrument of terror. Now if only I could transfer all the gunner ammo to the nose guns ...
-DoK
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Ohh, nearly forgot...
For those of you new to Aces High, this might help:
http://www.simhq.com/simhq3/sims/air_combat/energymgmt/ (http://www.simhq.com/simhq3/sims/air_combat/energymgmt/)
Badboy
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Heu you Wally! <G> give me a call next chance!
Damned Snowman (AH Sheep Dweeb) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Originally posted by Badboy:
Airwarrior...
Hmm, that name rings a bell (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Welcome to Aces High gentlemen!
Badboy
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Originally posted by Snowman:
Heu you Wally! <G> give me a call next chance!
Damned Snowman (AH Sheep Dweeb) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Hiya buddy... It should be ringing any second now (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Badboy
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didn't leave yet ... only got a free EA account to fly the Niemen-scenario during the beta.
but lookin at AH's price ($29.95) i probably never will fly here, except for the '2 free weeks' maybe ; i'm not an arena-player, only interested in scenario-like events and then $30 p/m is a lot of money for a couple of hours of flying every now & then.
maybe HTC should offer a special 'limited hours' price, like $10 for 15 hrs. or something ...
Goner
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Oh come on Goner, all your old buddies are here (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Whats a dollar a day?
Remember the old days in Kates and Stuka's? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure
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I left (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Formally known as ->ATC of AW. Now ATC of THE DAMNED.
Glad to be here.
ATC
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hey Vermillion, nice to 'see' you !!
well, maybe it's only a $ a day to you Yanks, but the Dollar is 2.5 Dutch Guilders at the moment ... :-(
and the other problem is : no Kates, Stookas and Sturmis here !!
Goner