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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Pyemia on January 03, 2002, 08:35:00 PM
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Decided I've had enough of this game for the following reasons:
1) N1K - basically roadkill FM (all positives, no negatives applied). Turns better then a spit, takes more damage then a 190, dives better then a P47, climbs better then a P38, Guns better then a tiffie. Landable on CV. Not perked. Newbie concession?
2) Super E spits - these guys given a tiny bit of alt will dive like death and keep that E forever regardless of any manuevering they do. roadkill. This super E keeping seems to be associated with anything that turns well. Smells like a concession.
3)La7's - these planes will outperform anything in the game except the 262. Temps can run maybe but aint got a hope in hell if they turn. Unperked. Concession.
4) GV's, damage models finally got to me. Sick of .50's from P51's killing turrets and other similiar roadkill. Sick of the killa bushes too.
5) Range icons totally unrealistic, I wanna fight aircraft not 50ft tall red icons.
6) CV suiciders and suicide dweebs like lazs. No point playing a simulation if the enemy in the simulations don't simulate properly. Apart from some uneffective Japanese kamikaze attacks, most people in WW2 wanted to go home afterwards.
I'm voting with my money and no longer wish to play Aces High. I'll perhaps take a look in 6 months to see if anything has changed but I very much doubt it would have.
I can handle a few small concessions but this games starting to remind me of an arcade game. And no this aint a troll.
Zygote
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Where's Rude?
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Looks like this is going to be a serious contender alright.
In the mean time, Buh bye Pyemia.
(http://www.13thtas.com/mav13sig.jpg)
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I see a whole latta roadkill in that post and a few valid complaints, Zygote.
Take it easy, maybe you'll find your Luftwaffe dream someday.
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Zygote,
I think you need a break. While you have that break, read up on how real WWII aircraft performed. You'll find that AH isn't that far different from reality and your views are a bit on the subjective side. Oh and when you come back in six months time, try flying in a scenario or two, some there do try to get their birds home.
Anyway, cheerio and definitely a high class whine with which to leave.
I give it a 7.8 (Technical merit scored highly but there was little personal interpretation or artistic flair included).
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First of all, it's ineffective. Not uneffective. That isn't even a word, kind of like how chow doesn't mean good-bye.
Lets see, I was a in a 47D-11 earlier tonite, shot up a N1K2 low on the deck and then proceeded to run away leaving him behind.
Super E-Spits... I hear about 'em. Never seen 'em. It's a mythical phenonema mostly concentrated within the LostWaffle group.
La7s.... Well, just because you don't know how to fight 'em doesn't mean they are invincible.
GVs, uhm, is anything about the GVs actually realistic? No- so why are you in them if you are complaining about realism?????
Icons have been debated ad nauseum.
Dweebs like Lazs make this game fun. The weenies that run for hours are the ones that ruin it.
See ya Zygote, maybe WWIIOl has what you want........
-SW
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Wonder what the next handle will be.
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"No point playing a simulation if the enemy in the simulations don't simulate properly."
Yes indeed, this is why EVERY jotstick needs to have a 1500 volt shock device built in the the handle, so when you die, you DIE.
And this is why when you first log on, you should be assigned to a plane/country. Who CARES if you wanted to be a virtual fighter jock but are stuck as a goonie driver, real pilots didn't get to choose their ride!
Oh yeah, you get assigned missions too, no ifs ands or buts. Fail to fly them and your account is deleted for cowardice.
One last thing, in order to even GET an account you'll need to go through a testing process, after all real armies wouldn't just accept any dweeb as a pilot so neither should AH.
Sounds like fun, doesn't it? LOL!
This HAS to be a troll, if not the fact that he's leaving then at least his reasons for doing so. Zygote isn't so brainless as to actually be serious about that junk. Or maybe he's letting off some steam after a rough night online.
J_A_B
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Heh. I'll grant that his 'I quit' is a tad over the top. I think your responses have been rather unnescesary as well though, especially yours Karnak. No personal attack intended, of course.
Just some stats I bothered to look up before calling Zygote/Pyemia a "luftwabble'/'lostwaffle'/'insert your favorite moronic deragatory term here'.
Tour 23-836 kills to 313 deaths.
Total number of K/D in LW planes-
13 kills to 3 deaths.
Surely a math wizard like you could check the percentages yourself, but I'll give them to you anyway.
% of kills= .0155 (point ZERO ONE FIVE FIVE)
% of deaths= .0096 (point ZERO ZERO NINE SIX)
Boy, that man is a certified leather-wearing demon, huh?
Hell, in tour 22 he had more kills in Spitfires than he did in LW planes... (many, many, MANY more by the way) wouldn't that make him a "spitdweeb"/"shitfire pilot"/"insert your favorite moronic deragatory label here"?
Going back... tour 21.. Nope, still mainly Spits. Where did you guys get the notion that everyone who has a complaint about any aspect of AH must be a die-hard pilot of German planes?
/rant off.
[ 01-03-2002: Message edited by: Urchin ]
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Wow. I sunk his CV, maybe if I coulda carried a few more bombs, I could've sunk his ego, too? :D
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As I always like to say in a situation like this........
Dont let the door hit ya in the arse :D
LLB OUT!!!!!!!!!!
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Surely a math wizard like you could check the percentages yourself, but I'll give them to you anyway.
% of kills= .0155 (point ZERO ONE FIVE FIVE)
% of deaths= .0096 (point ZERO ZERO NINE SIX
That's 1.5% and .96%. No need to exagerate <on purpose nor on accident>
It doesn't matter anyways... and these responses aren't harsh. Just sending this one out the same way he came in.
AKDejaVu
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I've always wondered why people post this stuff. Do they want us to see their POV? We won't. Do they want us to join them? We won't. We obviously like this playground. Like most other children out there, when somebody tells me my playground is shiet..... I have to tell him to pull up his pants and quit pissing on it and move on... there's always WB's if this playground is sooooo bad to you. I hear Wild Bill is back in town over there. Go join him.
Just my .02
LLB OUT!!!!!!!!
[ 01-03-2002: Message edited by: llbm_MOL ]
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LOL, Deja, thanks. I never was really good at math, but even a doofus like me should have caught that :).
In any case 1.5% of the total hardly makes him a "luftwabble"... I thought one of the prime requisites for being a "luftwobble" was that one actually flew German planes.
Guess not.
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Well Urchin,
1) Zygote has usually argued the pro-German line in the past. I don't know what he actually flys, but his past arguments gave my post its direction.
2) I didn't use any slang terms.
3) His post is full of the same old BS about those horrible, invincible N1Ks and Spits. Unfortunately for me, every time I try to varify their perfect e retention it doesn't happen. They bleed e too, just not quite as much. He was towing the party line of the most rabid German aircraft fans.
4) He states that the Spits, N1K2 and the La-7, all have artificial EZ modes built into them intentionally by HTC. HTC may have done this, but they have always specifically said otherwise and until somebody gives an awful lot more evidence that Zygote did, I'm going to take HTC's word on it.
Not taking it personnaly, but why was my post worse?
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:D :o :eek: :p :confused: :cool: :rolleyes: :(
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Most of these issues have already been debated elsewhere ad infinitum, but I still want to respond to them. In the order that Pyemia originally posted:
1) N1k - was a great plane in real life, yes it turns better than a spit in here but it really did by all accounts. Takes more damage than a 190? I dunno, thats open to debate. Hard to tell in here which takes more damage. N1k seems to die easy enough most of the time though. Dives better than a jug? Are you out of your mind? There is no way. Try this experiment anytime you like. Take a friend to the training arena, one of you in a nik and the other in a jug. Climb to 10k and then both dive at same time, see who runs away. P-47 wins hands down every time just as it should. Climbs better than a P-38? I dont know about that either. I suspect that the P-38 has a better rate of climb while the N1k probably has better Angle of climb. Havent tested that personally though. And just how do you get that it has better guns than the tiffie? Thats ridiculous. To me the guns seem quite similar as well they should since both planes are using 4 20mm cannons. The British guns should be slightly better but I dont know of any way that you could verify this one way or another within AH. Landable on a CV? Of course it is. I can land practically anything in here on the CV. In real life it was intended to be a carrier fighter anyway so no surprise there.
2) Spitfire flight model? No comment because this area is just too subjective. I think that the spits seem to perform pretty much as I would expect them too but this will just degrade into an "im right, no im right"
type of an argument without any means of backing up claims.
3) La-7 is far from unbeatable, they are fast down low but other than that not so great. There are perked planes that are faster. As has been stated repeatedly before, if the La-7 is perked than people will just move to the next fastest fighter, probably the P-51. Then you will have the same argument with that. I personally would like to see some of the late war uberplanes lightly perked, but its not that big of a deal. Certainly never makes me consider leaving the game.
4) GV damage models. If you read histories of WW2, European theatre, you will find that US fighters scored many kills on tanks with their .50 caliber guns as well as with rockets. The .50 caliber MG bullet would penetrate almost all WW2 tanks from above and in some cases from behind as well since armour on tanks is much thinner there. Even the vaunted Tiger tank could be crippled or dispatched in this way. Even today, .50s are used against armoured vehicles of every type except main battle tanks. One USMC sniper in Desert Storm destroyed two Iraqi armoured personnel carriers with a .50 caliber rifle. These APCs were armoured on a level similar to some WW2 tanks. As far as killer bushes go, I agree that the little bushes shouldnt prove lethal to a tank, however, a tank cant just drive around the countryside knocking down all in its path. My dad was a tanker and he has numerous pictures of tanks getting stuck and disabled by terrain. You cant drive around with impunity in real life in a tank, you have to watch where you are driving, so it is in here. I have never lost a tank in here to killer bushes even though I drive ground vehicles sometimes. The reason I dont is because I watch where I'm going. Its quite easy.
5)I agree some on this one. I dont like having icons either, not just range icons but icons period. However I can see that they are a necessary concession in the MA at least. I would like to see them turned completely off in scenarios though. So yes they are a gameplay concession but a very necessary one in the MA.
6) suicide attacks. I dont think that suiciding is as prevelant as many people think. I think most of the time people go into a situation fully intending to survive but die in spite of this. I cant recall ever flying into a situation where I intended to get shot down but it happens quite frequently! Suicidal? Of course I enter some situations that I would probably not enter in real life if I were in the same but there is really no way to prevent that short of the electric shock from joystick that J_A_B_ suggested. Even in paintball, where there is a painful deterrent to prevent you from risking your hide needlessly I do things that I wouldnt do in real life. This is unavoidable. You will never find a simulation anywhere that this doesnt happen. Again, like so many of the other things, its not all that big of a deal, certainly not a reason to quit the game entirely. By the way, Japanese kamakaze attacks were pretty effective. They sunk and damaged an awful lot of USN ships and caused destruction far out of proportion to their numbers.
The bottom line is that I cant see any of these gripes as giving much of a reason for quitting. If these things bother you, than by all means quit, but I defy you to find a better simulation anywhere. This one is definitely the most realistic MMO WW2 sim yet.
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Zygote, I noticed the same with spits, they are a bit of a pain. I had one 600y my 6 at 9k, I dove to the deck while doing some wide turns and he was still 600y while I was on the deck ... it was a Spit5. he ended up ripping my elevator out ...eeeek.
You know the remedy of most of your dislikes can be the Combat Theater, no LA7, no Nikis, no CV suicide. ;)
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The single propeller installation was simpler and less mechanically troublesome, but it did produce (as expected) an extremely powerful torque on takeoff that required considerable skill on the part of the pilot to counter.
However, against the B-29, the N1K2-J was less successful, since its climbing speed was insufficient and the power of the Homare 21 engine fell off rather rapidly at higher altitudes.
The Shiden Kai had its center of gravity too far aft, and to correct this problem the N1K3-J Shiden Kai 1 Model 31 was built, which had the Homare 21 engine moved forward six inches
One of the weaknesses of the Shiden Kai was its rather lackluster high-altitude performance. It had proven to be ineffective against the B-29 owing to its poor climbing ability
The early Homare engine failed to develop its rated power, the propeller torque during takeoff was excessive
The wheel brakes were so bad that most pilots chose to land their Shidens on the grass alongside the runway in order to shorten the landing run.
Need I say more?
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Karnak hes not a "lw" pilot. He flies all the planes.
Kind of a like toejamfire pilots are studmuffins...
The only thing that I'll add is everything he said was true the day he first played AH (real or not) and aint much changed since then. You knew when ya 1 st came here how it was why wait 5 months (or whatever) to decide ya hate it......
I dont anyone will miss ya so the public goodbye is really a waste of time.
Sounds like frenchy's a lwhiner too...... :)
[ 01-03-2002: Message edited by: Wotan ]
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duh duh duh another one bites the dust
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Pyemia .. or whatever your name is..
Even though I didn't care for your antics it's too bad you have to go.
Couple of my cents...
1) no, no no.. N1k no way in hell outdives p47. More damage then 190..no. N1ks are delicate in my opnion (fine with me). 190s arent tough either but thats diff. matter. Climbs better then p38.. not on even terms no.
4) The last patch fixed this. It is much tougher to kill gvs with mgs now..but 2 or 3 passes from 4-6 .50 cal. mgs should kill a gv...don’t you think so?
Have you ever seen .50 cal bullets that were fired from wwii alied aircrafts?. I have..they are no joke.
And little bushes don’t kill gvs anymore. I agree that was really annoying.
Overall I would recommend flying in the combat arena. But in the end wake up and smell the coffee..this is a game! As I told the ppl who liked and wanted no icons in wb3 "you want full realism... go join the air force."
The other issue that this thread kind of brings up.. the LW aircraft.. even though I rarely fly them (I’ve only been practicing them in combat arena and H2H) .. there does seem to be a few things wrong with the toughness and fm of LW aircraft. I can't prove it right now with numbers etc but I seriously doubt LW would have posed any threat in WWII if they had planes like these.
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I have a failing tooth. In comparison, this post is like a JayLo blowjob :)
Im not trying to be sentimental or harsh on pyemia (Ive often wondered just how the hell he pronounces that). All I attempt to do is levy some perspective for my own benifit if no one elses.
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Originally posted by JoeMud:
duh duh duh another one bites the dust
LOL
All I can think of while reading that is that TV commercial of the kid driving the car in a funeral procession, with that tune cranked...what ad was it? Ugh! Very funny tho! Must go play Queen songs now!
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Well after coming offline after shotting down 3 guys in my lovely P47D*. Well all i can say, what ever you say about aces high. How much you will pull and whine about everthink and blah blah and so one. You will allway know there is a much more mature Community here than anywere else. All this, and a great Community for only $15 a month, yeaaaaaa. You will be back, All i know is i will see that < > kill message come lovely up on my machine when I fill you're AC full of my loving .50cal bullets.
Take it from me man. I have quit and quit, gone though 50 accounts and i am still here, still playing. So i hope you will be here to.
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Another Qestion: you can't call P47 pilots dweebs, can you?
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Originally posted by Karnak:
Well Urchin,
1) Zygote has usually argued the pro-German line in the past. I don't know what he actually flys, but his past arguments gave my post its direction.
2) I didn't use any slang terms.
3) His post is full of the same old BS about those horrible, invincible N1Ks and Spits. Unfortunately for me, every time I try to varify their perfect e retention it doesn't happen. They bleed e too, just not quite as much. He was towing the party line of the most rabid German aircraft fans.
4) He states that the Spits, N1K2 and the La-7, all have artificial EZ modes built into them intentionally by HTC. HTC may have done this, but they have always specifically said otherwise and until somebody gives an awful lot more evidence that Zygote did, I'm going to take HTC's word on it.
Not taking it personnaly, but why was my post worse?
Karnak
You have shown your prejudice, not his. Makes it comfortable for you to have everyone you disaggree with under one easy label I guess. It has helped this little flame fest no more then it has helped in the past. And you arent man enough to say..
"Sorry. I was wrong. This guy isnt a luftwaffe fan. He just doenst like the way the Spit is modeled."
So you insult a whole group of players for the exit of one. And dont even see why that is ignorant of you.
Cool the way you got a kill in everything 2 tours ago btw..but your a dweeb sometimes...
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See ya in a few weeks Zyramia.
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Pongo,
I don't even know why I bother.
I am sick of seeing the type of crap that people like Zygote put out. You seem to like others to do your dirty work, and then come in a look reasonable while you defend them. I was wrong about his particular habits, but that doesn't change my opinion of his statements.
It should also tell you something about the most rabid of German aircraft fans that his statements are so readily attributed to that group.
I would understand your take on me better if I always argued against things for German aircraft, but that is not the case. There are many times that I have argued for improvements to the German aircraft in AH as well as additional German aircraft to be added.
Due to things said by others I sometimes regret those statements...
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Why do people always say "I quit." when they really mean "I'm going to change my handle because I am embarrased to be seen with myself." ???
Hooligan
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I donno why some of you guys call anyone who complains about AH a LuftWaffle or whatever, this guy barely ever flies German planes and you call him that. Thats diddlying BS.
Now to Pzygomia: :)
Now I have no idea why people gripe so much about that stupid POS the LA7, yes its very fast, so what? All that means is the bastards can leave me alone faster after I reverse on them. Plus I think LA7 handles like crap.
Niki is fine now, I havent seen any bizzare vertical roadkill since the FM change. No reason to complain here anymore.
Spits are very slow and cant dive worth a toejam, just about any plane easily outdives a Spit, especially all 109Gs and all all 190s from my experience. Keep above thenm or coalt and they arent a bother too much then. If they are much higher than you simply refuse to fight. Thats one of the greatest things about the AH "Arena" setup, you dont have to fight if you dont want to, even against much faster planes if you know what you are doing.
You can also outurn and outmanuver Spits, Nikis and even Zeros in 190s and 109s if you know what youre doing.
When fighting turn fighers in 109 and 190 keep the option (some alt) to dive away.
I do think the whole AH GV implementation needs serious work.
But for now:
Good Bye!
P.S.
See you next week.
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All you others simply cut out the LuftWhiner crap, this guy barely flies LW planes.........
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Karnak - you mean your sick of seeing the kinda ideas (which you don't like) that people like me come up with (instead of going with popular opinion).
Me embarrassed? not really Hooligan, just fed up with the game part. Having said that I still think AH is the best flight sim available today, I never said it was'nt. I suppose i'm just hanging out for full realism total immersion real war stuff.
You people are so touchy.
And as for the post "I don't get this" I made when I lost my name, twas but a jokie and you guys are still whining about it?? Get over it.
Sheesh
Zygote
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Pyemia, do what I do: Fly P47 - your problems will be gone. It outperforms spits, la7, n1k, 109, anything.
You'll die in it only if you put yourself in the wrong place at the wrong time.
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Stick around at least long enough to get your award, fella.
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Flying in the CT would eliminate almost all the reasons for your dissatisfaction, Pyemia.
And no Spits in there starting tomorrow.
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"And no Spits in there starting tomorrow. "
No Spits? I quit! I'm tired of the obvious LW bias in this game!
BTW, it's typicaly Australian to challenge poor old toothless Laz to a duel, and then quit before it's been played out......
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See ya Pyemia/Zygote, hopefully when you check up on AH in a few months it will have changed for the better, for you.
personaly i dont think spits dive to well, they do go to fast out of the dive and retain entirely to much E. Also there HI alt fighting ability is a little over done, same as N1k2.
The ability for any cannon bird to hit at 700 is rediculous and i see it very often. 50 cals loose all there punch passed 500-600 and cannon rounds should drop so much that they wouldnt even have penatrating power IF they hit. But this is how the game is so i adjust adapt and get used to it.
LA7, yea it can be a problem if you get in a position that he has the advantage. I only curse them when im in a bomber. Ocasionaly it seems to be entirely to superior, recently i had one land a sustained burst on me fron over 1k behind and kill my b26.. i just laughed my bellybutton off and logged.
Ive considered leaving my self due to a lot of the crap you noted, but this is possibly the coolest sim ive seen and ive spent many hours searching, downloading demos and deleting them nearly instantly. AH is the greatest of them all. Indeed there is querks that i could do with out but you cant have it all, its only human to always want what you dont have and also to not appreitciate what you already posess.
See ya bro, dont listen to all these amazinhunks they love it when someone gives them all a chance to gang up, great sign of insecurity.
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told ya he was a nut job... I am flattered that he mentioned me in his latest "I quit forever" rant tho.
lazs
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"Wonder what the next handle will be."
Really. In a few weeks or in a couple of months will we have a "new" tard "Bolemia" trolling the boards just like when "Pyremia" appeared?
Otherwise, what LLB said :)
Westy
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You know the saying "Fool me once,shame on you.Fool me twice,shame on me"...Nice try Pye.. :)
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hmm, didn't realize Degobah was in Tallahassee. ;)
Oh, someone's quitting and whining on the way out? Wow! That's never happened around here before! :eek:
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You cant quit; YOU'RE FIRED!!!
:eek:
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Dont let the door hit ya on the bellybutton on the way out .
That diaper looks pretty full could be messy
:D
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sounds like someone lost a few dogfights. Oh well, i'v lost more than i'v liked to, but im still here, lol <S> to all those who have the patience and guts to stick it out.
BeachS
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He’s right! Those g’damn stupid, LA7, Spit, N1K, dweebs ruin it for everyone!
Oooops, wait. I have just been flying like crap the last few days. It can’t be my problem though. Has to be the damn FM ;).
Zippatuh
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Oooops, wait. I have just been flying like crap the last few days. It can’t be my problem though. Has to be the damn FM
Sorry and glad to hear this at the same time. I have had a lousy few days too, and misery loves company... ;)
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I was thinking about the comment regarding fighting ICONS and not the plane.....and realized that in the last 6 years the ICON system has actually regressed.
Originally, in AirWarrior, ICONS were not in the "flight window", but off the screen to the side with a position indicator on the top of the screen showing you the rough location of the plane the ICON was identifying. So while you got identification and range data, you did NOT get an automatic position finder from them. It was still possible to "lose" a plane against the terrain, and in a massive furball it became difficult to keep track of your target.
Then WB's came along with its full-screen play window and ICON tags attached directly to aircraft, and AW soon followed by adding this as an option (later the default setting).
AH has attempted to re-create some of that "lose the plane" by features such as greying out the ICON against clouds and removing it in certain circumstances.
I think it is possible to have this same sort of setup without regressing to AW's much-hated "periscope mode". If you cut off a small space (3-4 lines worth of text space) at the bottom of the screen as space for ICONS with a tiny space (1 line) at the top for the tagging, you could put the ICONS offscreen instead of attaching them to the NME plane and even have another positive result--the view window would become wider than it is tall, as human eyes are. Indeed, if you combine this idea with AH's system of removing/greying out ICONS based on visability, there is potential for the best ICON setup ever.
I don't see this happening in the near future (obviously it would require a considerable amount of work), but perhaps is something to look at in the future.
J_A_B
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Grun lately I've been watching Spit V's and Seafires keep with me in powered tiffie dives, ie 480kias plus. As in we dive, speed maxes out, the spit holds the same range, then we go level at 480kias, then the spit slowly starts to get left behind as a bleeds speed faster.
There may be a bug in the Spit V model, I've certainly noticed their amazing ability to dive. It may be a case of good trimming, but IMHO a Spit V would probably rip itself apart at 500kias :)
Zygote, take a break dude, sounds like typical AH burnout. We all get hit with it from time to time.
Originally posted by GRUNHERZ:
Now to Pzygomia: :)
Spits are very slow and cant dive worth a toejam, just about any plane easily outdives a Spit, especially all 109Gs and all all 190s from my experience. Keep above thenm or coalt and they arent a bother too much then. If they are much higher than you simply refuse to fight. Thats one of the greatest things about the AH "Arena" setup, you dont have to fight if you dont want to, even against much faster planes if you know what you are doing.
You can also outurn and outmanuver Spits, Nikis and even Zeros in 190s and 109s if you know what youre doing.
When fighting turn fighers in 109 and 190 keep the option (some alt) to dive away.
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It sounds to me like there may be a good reason for HTC to look into Spit dive acceleration.
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Heh.. SOME planes in Ah perform like they supposed to, unfortunately P38 doesn't. 38 should be turning a lot better than AH p38. Also p38 has a horseshit stall, that dips plane into the bank of the corner... flips upside down.. and in the drink ya go... that my friends is a load of watermelon =). SO really what i am trying to say is If some planes are soooo good like they were in RL, lets make the rest of em like they should have been. (p38) This post is filled with greed to get p38 fixed. Sorry if i totally trashed the subject =)
=Twin Engined Devils=
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Originally posted by Karnak:
It sounds to me like there may be a good reason for HTC to look into Spit dive acceleration.
To be honest with you, I've never seen a Spit keep up with me in a dive in anything. I have seen them keep up with me in a climb for a bit though, that tends to make me nervous :).
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Karnak why do you think the Spitfire might have a dive speed issue in AH?
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I don't have a problem with the Spits dive speed, but what always amazes me is how long they keep that speed after they level out.
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told ya he was a nut job... I am flattered that he mentioned me in his latest "I quit forever" rant tho.
lazs
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LOL, where I come from a "NutJob" is a good thing :)
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but IMHO a Spit V would probably rip itself apart at 500kias
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Spitfire has the highest recorded dive speed for prop planes or some such? I remember finn or some other Spitweenie making a remark about it a long time ago.
// fats
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Originally posted by Karnak:
Pongo,
I don't even know why I bother.
I am sick of seeing the type of crap that people like Zygote put out. You seem to like others to do your dirty work, and then come in a look reasonable while you defend them. I was wrong about his particular habits, but that doesn't change my opinion of his statements.
It should also tell you something about the most rabid of German aircraft fans that his statements are so readily attributed to that group.
I would understand your take on me better if I always argued against things for German aircraft, but that is not the case. There are many times that I have argued for improvements to the German aircraft in AH as well as additional German aircraft to be added.
Due to things said by others I sometimes regret those statements...
You must be right. I am afraid to get my hands dirty I guess.
When you attribute this guys charecteristics to everyone that likes german AC you are being an ass.
When he is not even a flyer of german AC you are being a bloody ass.
When you dont even see that you are doing it and have been for years you are being a stupid bloody ass.
Do you see my agenda now?
To point out that your love of labeling people you dissagree with luftwhiners no matter thier taste in AC makes you a stupid bloody ass...
I dont care that you argue for or against German AC. But it feels like nails on a chalk board to me that you always have to turn to labeling people. Because that is not an insult to this guy(who doenst even fit your profile) but to everyone that likes German AC in the game.....
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Pongo is right here, a huge segment of the BBS crowd, including you Karnak, is all too quick to label people "luftwhiners" for any complaint they pose on the board.
Just imagine your screams and whines, Karnak, if it wasnt an RAF Tiffie pilot Vulcan who posted his concerns about the Spit dive thing. And now you guys go calling people luftwhiners who dont even fly German planes.
Dont attempt any smart comeback to this your guys behavior is out of line here, please stop.
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Didnt you say he flies Spits a lot? If that is the case, why all the luftwhining about the flight model? I dont get it.
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welp......
i do not think that is a flaw in the sim, it how and what you choose to attack.
so do not whine to me about getting HO's.. run down by an LA or out turned by a Nik.
try this and, i think that many including myself forget this. FLY SMART!
i totally suck at this sim but it is not about how many dweebs ya send home. it is about #1 having fun #2 knowing when to fight and when to get the hell out of dodge.
#3 if you expect to roll around in a furball and get out without a scratch then you are smoking some good chit!
if you are all about points or kills then you are a gamer. you arent a flight simmer. real combat flight simmers
that i know do not pork or get kills or even vultch . not for the points anyhow they have a much better thing that motivates them .... HATE! what has happened to the hate?
damn it i want hate !!!
awww toejam ill have to learn ya about the hate too....
maybe some other time glasshoppa
this whole thing is about skill. if you get you bellybutton popped head on it is because you didnt have the skills to get out of said HO dweebs way. ( lead turn! or just out fly the banana)<---refers to the point that you have the general knowlage of basic ACM?
as for icons. maybe ya have a squeak about that. maybe ya dont. myself i would like the icon to pop up if you get within firing range that would make it alot more interesting.
if you have multi nme's around. 800 and down would be keep the furballing interesting.
that would make folks think!
if they see an bellybutton load of bogies all around. maybe i would keep friendly they are?
this would make wingman tactis and group missions much more favorable? ( i think so )
if this is a troll please disregard . you got me.
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Sorry to see ya go zyg.
For those of u thinking spit is a poor diver, stop the blah blah blah, go offline with a stopwatch and test it against whatever you want. Check initial acceleration in the dive, the control at 400 and more mph and stop telling us this is a slow plane. This plane is simply one of the fastest divers and one of the fastest vertical zoomers. Now pick up any kind of spit and climb to hi alt, check max speed and tell me how many planes are faster. Is it wrong modeled? Dont know, but its performance is a fact.... If you say most of the spits are badly flown by newbies you'll be 100% right, if you say the spit is a poor plane you are simple blinded. Even more (and you will think I'm nuts), IMO, our spitV is better plane than SpitIX.
The main problem with the planes you listed, IMO, is not their performances but their numbers in the arena. Almost 1 of every four planes in the MA is a Spit (IX or V).
In any case Zyg, AH is still far away from being an arcadish sim.
Of course, I'll be cursed by these comments just because I dont fly allied planes regulary.
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I realize I'm a moron, but that aside. Not to distract from what your saying ... but to me it's like this.
Basicly any person who has a specific advantage with a certain plane is a mute arguement. Because anyone could use these same planes.
Maybe I'm just simple (steady out there!) but it really wouldn't matter to me if they strapped us all to geese and gave us water balloons. We all have the same advantage or disadvantage depending on the planes we pick. Since this basicly levels the field, then it comes down to skill. Isn't that what it's really all about? Matching ones skill with another?
No flight sim is ever going to be "real". I certainly don't want to see real guns attached to my monitor that's going to blast me up when I get shot. So from that point on it's just a matter of trade off between realism, fun, playabilty, etc. It would seem impossible for any online game to eliminate all the variables. Hate to see anyone leave, hope you find something better or reconsider :) Just some thoughts ... LP
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Originally posted by Seeker
BTW, it's typicaly Australian to challenge poor old toothless Laz to a duel, and then quit before it's been played out......
Know a lot of 'typical' Aussies Seeker? If you do, and you say that kind of thing around them, you are a far braver man than most, I salute you, you must be one hard bastard.
Or your a Kiwi ;)
I know a LOT of 'typical' Australians, and not a one of them would let a remark generalising our entire country's population as quitters go by unchallenged, and nor will I.
Beer swilling , obnoxious, loud bastards we may be, but quitters?...I think not, at least not typically, thats for sure.
Blue
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"damn it i want hate !!!"
I carry mine exposed and ready to use all the time. Just ask the fluffers and "RR" dweebs here ;)
Westy
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guys, guys... Let's not get off track here! Let's get back to the important issue of pyegotes pouty and humorous (for us) exit.
I don't think you can lump all aussies together as a bunch of wussies turning in their firearms like meek little girls either! or, ah, well.. maybe you CAN do that but.... well.... you know what I mean.
lazs
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Originally posted by AKSWulfe
First of all, it's ineffective. Not uneffective. That isn't even a word, kind of like how chow doesn't mean good-bye.
Super E-Spits... I hear about 'em. Never seen 'em. It's a mythical phenonema mostly concentrated within the LostWaffle group.
-SW
Cough. Phenomena is the plural of phenomenon, so if it's A mystical.... :D
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Phenomena is the plural of phenomenon, so if it's A mystical....
It's? a Witch?
burN'EM. BUUUUUUUUUUURN HIMmmmmmmmmmmmm!
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Originally posted by Wotan
Kind of a like toejamfire pilots are studmuffins...
[ 01-03-2002: Message edited by: Wotan ]
No No No, you got it all wrong. It's "N1K pilos ar studmuffins"
I have never heard anyone, other than in this thread, seriously complain about spitfires.
Frankly, I don't understand Y the NIK, LA7, 190D, and 190G10 do not cost 5 or 10 perk points a piece. At least they would not be flown like "throw away planes" if they were.
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Well, i just wanted to say what i see when reading these forums once in a while.
Pilots who fly luftwaffe planes, even if they have good arguments. Are regularly insulted and called luftwussies, luftwobbles...and so on. Is this some unconcious patriotism? I fly wb at russian FH, there is axis vs allies arena but no axis versus allies attitude among players . Damn they are your fellow pilots. You should be thankful.
Everyone whines sometimes. It doesnt matter if he flies axis or allies.
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Frankly, I don't understand Y the NIK, LA7, 190D, and 190G10 do not cost 5 or 10 perk points a piece. At least they would not be flown like "throw away planes" if they were.
exactly.
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you miss the point of the perk system. It is to stigmatize and humiliate wussies that would fly uber planes in an anything goes arena. It paints a big target on them that says "look at me I'm a wimp who can't compete"... The nik is no big deal to defeat. The D9 is simply anoying and the lag is borderline but.... newguys need some advantage.
Now... can we get back to making fun of pyegote?
lazs
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Umm
Pyemia
you forgot the customary "(TM) RAM"