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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Pongo on January 02, 2003, 12:54:44 AM
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Well deserved I think..
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Yup. I think he set all new records, and pulled a sinking ship back up to the division title. I’ve never seen a QB stand in the pocket with so much time, ever. And he’s like 50.
I can't name a Raider offensive lineman, but I bet you'd find them in a bar just looking for a new well deserved Rolex.
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Rich is the man. He's basically the offensive coordinator. Reminds me of Magic Johnson or Gretzky in his ability to read the play and distribute the ball to the right guy at the right time.
The scariest thing is that he can still run like hell. He ran down Shawn Springs earlier this year. I think he might start taking some risks with his health if he gets a whiff of the Lombardi trophy.
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Weird. Reminds me of Bob Dole.
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Gannon reminds you of Dole?
Mmmmmmmmmmkay.
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Hah! We here in Kansas City know that Rich is just an imposter quarterback!
Elvis Grbac is the REAL THING and it's really smart that Petersen kept HIM instead of Gannon because just look at Elvis NOW!
.... ok, don't.
But we have TRENT GREEN!! Just look at his stats!
......ok don't.
Gannon. Man, I wish we'd have kept him and gotten rid of Petersen!
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Gannon winning MVP shows how much parity there is in the NFL, and also shows how much we miss really great QB's as Montana, Marino, Elway.
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I thought Gannon deserved it. He had a greeat season, set a record or two and took his team to a top seed in the AFC. Cant really think of a better guy to win it. Favre maybe, but I think Gannons stats were better, besides the w/l, but Green Bay is in a the weakest division, so, hats off to Rich. I'd like to see him and his geriactrics crew get to the superbowl to play against the Eagles :D
newguy
ASSASSIN
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Originally posted by newguy
... I'd like to see him and his geriactrics crew get to the superbowl to play against the Eagles :D
newguy
ASSASSIN
Hmm
I think the NY Giants have something to say bout that :)
It'll be the Bucs D that crushes the old man in the pocket :)
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Gannon winning MVP shows how much parity there is in the NFL, and also shows how much we miss really great QB's as Montana, Marino, Elway.
LOL!
Cobra
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Damn straight... because of parity, the defenses actually got easier after Marino, Elway, and Montana retired.
Uh huh... right.
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I could win MVP in a west coast offense throwing to Rice, Brown, and Garner... Favre is MVP
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Hmmm... using that logic, Favre is a better QB than Montana.
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yup
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As much as it pains me to say this, being a Chiefs fan of 35+ years, I'm rootin for the Raiders to go all the way.
The connection? Gannon and the AFC West...other than that, I can't stand the Raiders:)
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One thing you have to have this time of year....a solid running game. I think the Jets or the Titans will represent the AFC. Good luck to the Raiders though, being a Patriots fan I don't want to hear them whining about the snow game anymore:p
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Originally posted by Sixpence
One thing you have to have this time of year....a solid running game. I think the Jets or the Titans will represent the AFC. Good luck to the Raiders though, being a Patriots fan I don't want to hear them whining about the snow game anymore:p
That's funny you say that because when those two teams played the Raiders... their running games got stuffed. I think they had about 50 yards rushing between them.
And the Raiders are coming off a 280 yard rushing game. :)
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The Titans didn't put up the big numbers in the rushing game because they were down so early. I also must point out that on two of those punt returns for touchdowns against the Titans there was BLATENT blocking in the back that didn't get called. The Titans were forced to go to the air with a QB that didn't have his confidence up. Not to mention our D hadn't gotten together yet.
Oakland and TN will face each other in the AFC Championship game, but it will be a different Titans team that will come out of the black hole with a win. :D
Cougar
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2.7 yards per carry. :)
And our D hadn't gotten together yet either. :)
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Originally posted by Steve
I could win MVP in a west coast offense throwing to Rice, Brown, and Garner... Favre is MVP
I'm a big fan of Farve too. But it should't be a popularity pole. If you cant win it with the numbers that Gannon has put up..how do you win it?
Hes not as warm a guy...but he got it done.
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Most Valuable Player. IMO a guy gets the award for carrying his team on his shoulders. I don't think Gannon carried the Raiders. He has a great supporting cast. Whereas guys like McNair, Favre and Vick (even though I hate to say it) put their teams on their shoulders and willed them to win.
Take Gannon out of the lineup and your backup is playing pitch and catch w/Garner, Rice and Brown. Take any of the other guys out and their team is in trouble.
Cougar
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I dont think that some of you guys have even watched Gannon play this year..
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Originally posted by Pongo
I dont think that some of you guys have even watched Gannon play this year..
Yep. Take Gannon out and you have the pre 1999 Raiders. Anybody remember Donald Hollas?
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I've watched the Raiders plenty this season. Gannon throws the ball really well. I still believe that there success is mostly due to the receivers. That's just my opinion though.
Cougar
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What would happen if Favre and Gannon had switched teams then week 1?
Gannon goes MVP still? With that depleted line and new receiving corps?
Think real hard about that.
(i think I saw all the games this year btw)
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He doesn't just throw the ball. He runs the offense. Both the head coach and the offensive coordinator have admitted that Rich knows the offensive scheme better than they do.
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Don't get me wrong, Gannon has some drawbacks, and I have yelled at him (or his TV image) many times.
I think Favre has the best QB skills of anybody as far as throwing and moving. But Gannon simply makes better decisions. The INT stats tell the story.
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Originally posted by Creamo
What would happen if Favre and Gannon had switched teams then week 1?
Gannon goes MVP still? With that depleted line and new receiving corps?
Think real hard about that.
(i think I saw all the games this year btw)
I think a lot of QB's could have led the Pack pretty far considering their weak schedule.
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Yer yappin about that old sked thing like all year and not thinking.
Try again.
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Hheeheh :)
Funny thing is I'm a closet Favre fan. But if Creamo likes him then he sucks!
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Gannon winning MVP shows how much parity there is in the NFL, and also shows how much we miss really great QB's as Montana, Marino, Elway.
Hear hear!! (here?). I've been calling for Brian Griese's benching all year long. I don't expect another Elway, but the man ain't got the leadership skills of a sheep. And when he makes a booboo he doesn't compensate for it with an amazing play.
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Compared at a similar point in their careers (4 years in), Griese is way ahead of Elway.
Heck Griese's career rating is better than Elway's. And Elway peaked late in his career.
Elway is another guy whose statistics were a function of his team. When they had no running game and a lousy offensive scheme, he threw more INT's than TD's. When they get Shanahan, a great line, Terrell, Sharpe, Smith, etc, then suddenly he's the next Joe Montana.
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Alright, since you refuse to think, and avoid the question, I'll stop the puzzle.
Would Favre win the MVP if in Oakland this year?
Not sure myself, but the point was Favre did amazingly well with a injury plagued team and having to start with a new receiver corps. It took me 3 games to get used to who was actually catching the ball for him. That must have been a huge obstacle to overcome. You give him Oakland’s line and targets, no matter how hard he tries to screw things up by doing the impossible and getting picked, but he actually pulls more impossible completions/TD’s out. That’s gotta seem fair.
I think Oakland is a better team overall, with it’s players and especially veterans. Schedule has little to do with it, the Bengals could beat any team this year “on any given Sunday” as they say, and that is why harping on schedule is just about silly. If sked had that much to do with it, you’d be rich in a casino. How much would the Raiders, or the Eagles, or even the Pats win by if they had to play the Vikings in the Metrodome this week on their 3 game streak?
Sorry, but as much I liked the Raiders living in the Bay Area and it’s true OAKLAND fans, they have1 SuperT for every real fan, and they need to dress in paper mache spiked shoulder pads and Halloween masks thinking they are badass mean rebel gang members or pirates or something. At least the guy that wore the rainbow wig in the 70’s and held the sign John 3:16 looks just as silly, but had a genuine cause. Only the Bears have more rabid blinded fans I think. They don’t dress up like wannabe gangbangers, they just are mean bastards, lol.
Actually, I think I watched the Falcons this year as intently as any team other than the Packers, just because Vick was such a show. Although I truly get pumped for a Packers game, I leave the blind fan-a-tism there. Good football is good football. Can't wait for the playoffs.
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Yes all Raiders fans wear paper mache fake armor and are wanna be gangers. You have summed it up neatly. :rolleyes:
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Watching the numbers of QBs that other teams have gone through this year its amazing how long Farve has gone with out missing one.
A neat stat would be how many QBs have missed games in the time since Farve has missed one.
Or how many QB game days have been missed. Hes at 170 something now isnt he?
I mean just QBs named Johnson would have to have missed 300 games in that time...
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I think Gannon would have done great in GB. Weak schedule and some WR's who can outrun LB's and DE's.
Favre would have done great in OAK. But not so many long passes because the WR's are well past their prime and quite slow.
The thing about the Raiders is that they are a "system" team and Gannon knows the system better than anybody in the organization. So I'm not sure they would look so pretty on offense without him acting as general.
I have no idea who would have MVP.
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Now your being dramatic Funky.
Give SOB a hug and answer the question or I'm going to steal your skeleton mask and black nail polish before the playoffs.
edit- Thats better.
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BTW
Winning percentage of Raiders' 2002 opponents: .537
Winning percentage of Packers' 2002 opponents: .451
Nobody in the NFL had an easier schedule than GB. Only CIN had a tougher schedule than OAK.
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"I'm going to steal your skeleton mask and black nail polish before the playoffs."
As long as you don't steal my SB-ring-studded strap-on.
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This thread has gone astray.
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Oh yea, Mcnabb is coming back...