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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: janneh on January 03, 2003, 12:11:18 PM
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Related to Lazer1's post, who is your most "feared" pilot?
Not according to scores, but who you have found most deadly in the skies.
To whom I've fought against: (not in particular order):
Hristo
He just knows how to fly luftwobble. This is the guy I least would like to face in H2H.
Sancho
He just knows how to fly a jug
Mitsu
Doesn't matter if he's in "place your ac here" , he will get you killed! Amazing guy.
Shane
Alhtought I hate to say this, but regardless of his big online mouth, he's good
Can't remember his name
He was from korea (or that he claimed anyway), he flew 109's and was leathal in it. He's mouth was as fast as his MG's :)
(If anyone remember his name, please tell...)
These are my one of the most "feared" opponents, of course there are zillions of excellent pilots, but they are flying in different time zone or they are flying for the same country. So just place here your most feared pilots of your time zone, not according to scores :)
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the one on my six
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Lemsko...when he was still flying much.
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Me.
I can get myself killed in a sec, don't even need a enemy around.
Lawndarting.
compressing
wing-ripping
badlandings
ect.
ect.
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I am, without a doubt, my own worst enemy.:(
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Originally posted by Kelly[KGN]
Lemsko...when he was still flying much.
I've never fought against Lemsko, but he flew with us in JG-3 in WB. Great guy :)
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AI Ack, or the tracerless mannable ack
Shane? Pfft, shot him down twice in one night. Musta been busy typing ("stirring the pot" on channel 1) while a buff dweeb like me got him in a fighter hehe
Shane, every fight we've had has been fun.
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Any pilot flying effectively with a wingman.
AKDejaVu
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What Deja said. any two planes working together bother me, if I'm alone.
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Isn't this like the 20th "best pilot" thread we've had in here?
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myself- I keep crashing
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu
Any pilot flying effectively with a wingman.
AKDejaVu
So you don't have any particular pilot, that you "afraid" to face? :p
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Originally posted by hblair
Isn't this like the 20th "best pilot" thread we've had in here?
Dunno about that, but if you don't have any "eeeeekkk" pilots that you're "afraid" to face, STFU! :rolleyes: and just move another thread.. nothing to see here...
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Now Now there feller. Calm down. I didn't say your thread was stupid just questioned its originality. :)
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Originally posted by janneh
Can't remember his name
He was from korea (or that he claimed anyway), he flew 109's and was leathal in it. He's mouth was as fast as his MG's :)
(If anyone remember his name, please tell...)
LOL That had to be NathBDP. He's as Korean as I am Japanese.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Drex...anyone who wins 5v1's ina A20 has my vote. Oh...it's probably not fear for anyone here, but rather respect.
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Originally posted by hblair
Now Now there feller. Calm down. I didn't say your thread was stupid just questioned its originality. :)
I'm sorry if this kind of thread was here recently, but I didn't notice it. Just moved back in here.
Sorry for heating up hblair :)
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
LOL That had to be NathBDP. He's as Korean as I am Japanese.
-- Todd/Leviathn
LOL Yes it was the great NathBDP indeed! Thanks! :D
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I don't know that I 'fear' anyone. In the MA I don't even respect someone before the fact (:)). I the DA one person I just can't beat is Fester, no idea why.
Folks that I think are pretty good sticks.. hum. Mitsu, Moot, Fester, Lev, Hblair, Sirloin, Wldthing and Rude, Frenchy and Ammo, Nath if he still plays (haven't run into him lately).
I'm sure there are others that I'm forgetting.
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Originally posted by Rude
Drex...anyone who wins 5v1's ina A20 has my vote. Oh...it's probably not fear for anyone here, but rather respect.
As you said, respect if another story and worth of another tread. I've never flown against Drex in AH, but I know he's one of the best pilots of online community in any sim. Once I was "lucky" enough to fight against him in WB and that was a very short combat :D
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To fear anything in an online game is ludicrous - so I have to assume that you mean who do I think are the best pilots.
I would have to Say:
Toad - Decent stick - he takes a lickin’ and keeps on croakin’. Every time you kill the guy you'll get a Salute - even if its a cheap kill.
Octavius - good stick too, smart as hell. But if you are able to get him you'll see nothing but kudos on CH1.
Drex – Well we all know that Drex Sux, but hey - at least he has a sense of humor about it.
Hblair – Awesome driver, and you know he hates to get killed – specially by a noob – but he sucks it up and gives a GK on 1 anyhow.
Fester – Oh wait not Fester.
After all - It takes very little skill to pick off a great pilot in a furball, but when yer sittin’ in the tower pissed off because someone ruined your 10-kill mission It takes real ballz to compliment the guy who did it.
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Probably Ronnie, Yankee, Natedog etc......
Even if I shoot them down, they just reappear on my Six, Flying the same Circle I am!
I mean you just cant keep them down! And they can hold a line without a wing or tail.....
Thats just Scarey! :D
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Cavalear..I still have nitemares from EAW ladder.
:mad:
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I'm starting a campaign to become the most feared pilot. As part of that campaign, I'm doing nothing but driving ground vehicles. Fear me!:p
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Originally posted by Grimm
Probably Ronnie, Yankee, Natedog etc......
Even if I shoot them down, they just reappear on my Six, Flying the same Circle I am!
I mean you just cant keep them down! And they can hold a line without a wing or tail.....
Thats just Scarey! :D
And to make it worse, they just sit there and take it! They keep their P-51Ds near stall speed, nice and slow, in a lazy pattern over the field. Its as if they're taunting you, daring you to climb up there from the airfield and join their Circle of Hell. And when you've exhausted your ammo, they're still up there, taunting you, teasing you, begging you for more. Its Evil, pure Evil!
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Toppgunz. This guy shot me down in a tailless Tiffie !
:eek:
TracerX. Great pilot in the F4U. Only by sheer luck and the 190's ability to soak up .50's did I come out on top in our 5 min dogfight.
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Originally posted by gofaster
And when you've exhausted your ammo, they're still up there, taunting you, teasing you, begging you for more. Its Evil, pure Evil!
I get around this by giving myself unlimited ammo and fuel. That way I'm able to shoot them down all night long for hours upon hours of enjoyment without even once having to rearm.
Fear my l337 s|best offline pilot in the game!
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Not trying to be a smart bellybutton but,
I don't fear a pilot, I fear the type of plane they are flying and how much fuel I have left in the Thunderbolt.
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fear a virtual pilot?
that's a new one.
respect a gamer? ok... maybe
after all is said and done, this is a game.
now if we could experience the G-loads, shock, etc.etc..
then I could probably respect a 'pilot'.
I guess I don't 'respect' virtual pilots any more than I 'respect' a good HALO player
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Some kid named Leviathon. Ah I remember first tangle with him. In my 190, below land and water then this Spit running away. Moved in, bated him. Got him below and running then WTF happened!!! I knew then that Drex has met his match.
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Originally posted by Wlfgng
fear a virtual pilot?
that's a new one.
respect a gamer? ok... maybe
We all are not REAL pilots you know ;)
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I say hblair am best pilot of all time. him am very scarey pilot!
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Quick Hblair Impression:
E turn turn E turn E roll E roll E roll again E shoot
:p
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Tho he is no longer here "online" i would have to say that RWY A.K.A Robert is "was" one of the best ive seen. i know that now Fester,Drex & Mitsu are the top 3 in my mind.
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Keeping in mind that there are people who play this game more than I WORK per month, the fact that I only have on-line flightsim experience since last August and that I don't play all that much AND that I'm not nearly enough part of the community to know the good sticks... I fear absolutely no-one.
I never dueled H2H in this game... and probably would get my bellybutton kicked by everyone who posted in this thread. Big deal. Still have fun, still get kills, K/D still going up.
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Fear a plane...Usually a High 190d9 gives me pause for great concern... Or like the others said, wingmen working togethor gets me blood pumping....
As far as fearing pilots, the more I get beat around the more I will learn so I look forward to one on ones with whomever comes along..
XnachoX is a great one on one pilot to learn off of..
T0J0
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Who needs some?
-SW
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Next on my list would be GOD, I fear god when Im in my 190.
:D
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Originally posted by Commander rialbh
I say hblair.... him am very scarey pilot!
I dont think they meant looks :)
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i haf to say A K S \ / \ / u l f e is one of the kreem of the krop.
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Originally posted by classy man
i haf to say A K S \ / \ / u l f e is one of the kreem of the krop.
LOL
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I'm not even half the vpiolet you are Classy Man!
-SW
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332 Viking Squadron fear none of the above...:)
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Drex is the only online pilot I've faced where the only chance I have of beating him is if I know it's him before I engage. If I know it's him, it's about 3-1 odds against me winning. The best fights I've ever had online were against Drex, mostly at conventions.
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Whats your H2H server called again Eagl?
I've never fought you, would like to sometime.
Nevermind... appropriately enough it is called Eagl's FFA server lol. Full right now tho, some other time maybe.
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Originally posted by janneh
So you don't have any particular pilot, that you "afraid" to face? :p
No. Why should there be any pilot I'm afraid to face?
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hard to say fear, most respect
4Aces som day i got U:)
ramzey
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I fear noone.
I hardly ever meet the likes of the so-called top pilots.
I think I have tangled with Drex once or twice.
DMF a few times.
Fester once in a great while.
This is in a 3 year period.
I have tangled with the 13th TAS, AKs and the 56th on many occasions. These flyers as a squad are tough. So i guess I am more concerned about the teamwork of a squad than I am an individual pilot.
I can handle my own against just about anyone. I mean sooner or later I'll get shot down but the other pilot will know they have been in a fight. And that is all anyone can ask for!
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I fear any pilot with a stable 500+ms ping. You know they're there, but what you and they see is so different that it's impossible to judge range or angles accuratly.
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I fear midgets. They just scare the hell out of me for some reason.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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"Whose you most feared pilot? "
With all do respect, I have no frigging idea what you are talking about.
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
I fear midgets. They just scare the hell out of me for some reason.
-- Todd/Leviathn
circus clown pr0n midgets in tutus!!!
but these clowns are the ones i'm truly afraid of
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don't fear him, but think kappa could hand some people a lot of ass.
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Originally posted by Lazer1
don't fear him, but think kappa could hand some people a lot of ass.
Are you trying to say kappa is overweight?
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stupid threat
what is fear??
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LOL hblair!
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Originally posted by Lazer1
don't fear him, but think kappa could hand some people a lot of ass.
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Originally posted by hblair
Are you trying to say kappa is overweight?
No, I think that he's saying that kappa is a slut.
eskimo
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Jack Daniels
When ever he comes out to play I die! some times I cant even get off the deck!
:)
Mandrill
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Bill Ghosth Jamison on a Zeke. The guy was deadly in that thing in WB, I am assuming he is still that good in AH.
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Hey why am i not in any of your lists? Everyone seems to be afraid of me in H2H when i'm on there six in my Hurri.
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Originally posted by Brak18
Hey why am i not in any of your lists? Everyone seems to be afraid of me in H2H when i'm on there six in my Hurri.
H2H doesn't count. :D
we all know if you cheapskates came to play with the big boys, you'd get your little "tweaked" H2H butts handed to ya. SA in an 8-player environment is nothing to an MA or even CT with 20-600.
:D
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Hah once i get my account i'll show you what a pilot flying a Hurricane a year soild in H2H can do.
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Originally posted by Brak18
Hah once i get my account i'll show you what a pilot flying a Hurricane a year soild in H2H can do.
Let me predict:
Die a lot.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Heh maybe after getting 3 or 4 kills straight.
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Originally posted by Brak18
Heh maybe after getting 3 or 4 kills straight.
With or without unlimited ammo enabled? :)
-- Todd/Leviathn
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I am most afraid of me.
Everytime I "die", which is a lot, it is almost always me that causes my death.
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Originally posted by Brak18
Heh maybe after getting 3 or 4 kills straight.
now that ive seen this everytime i hear 'Brak18' i go into a cold sweat.
Imagine a deadly hurricane from H2H in the skies of the docile MA!
PHEAR HIM :) lol
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Yes fear me! Well fear me until i get low and slow then pity me as i get eaten by smart bnzing spits and nikis.
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Originally posted by Toad
I am most afraid of me.
Everytime I "die", which is a lot, it is almost always me that causes my death.
Accualy one of my best runs was about 5 kills straight in a h2h server set to MA defaults. But they were all low and tried to out turn me.
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Originally posted by Brak18
Accualy one of my best runs was about 5 kills straight in a h2h server set to MA defaults. But they were all low and tried to out turn me.
Five kills? That's all?
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
Five kills? That's all?
-- Todd/Leviathn
1 actually, maybe, the rest he /.eject'd
:D
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In my book, janneh is the one, because he gets me killed every time :)
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Hristo is not fearful, he's a riot!
The guy spends his time taking cheapshots (at h2h) bouncing into the furballs.. Then if you engage him, he'll be running like a girl in his d9 and telling how you'd be dead if his squadmates (YES SQUADMATES) would be there. LOL.
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I "fear" no one But the ones that unsettle me the most are these guys that managed to get rocketboosters attached to prop planes. the ones with kevlar coatings. and the ones that bother me perhaps the most are the ones that managed to get cloaking devices installed. You know the ones, And they MUST be cloaking devices, cause not a second ago I just checked every conceivable angle there is to(including upside down) make sure nobody was around. and THAT is with me at 20K & my country having full dar with nothing showing up in my sector. yet as soon as ya look forward and relax you see tracers flying past your cockpit and the unmistakable sound of bullets ripping apart your plane just before you end up back in the tower.
Heh, Ghosts of pilots past perhaps?
Drediock
Originally posted by janneh
Related to Lazer1's post, who is your most "feared" pilot?
Not according to scores, but who you have found most deadly in the skies.
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fester - nobody has better aim, if you give him a shot you are dead (and he only needs one).
secondly, any pilot who won't disengage even though he knows he is going to die if he doesn't
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All those in 190's because they bore me to death.
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Originally posted by Trikky
All those in 190's because they bore me to death.
I'm with Trikky on this one....run they do...boring bastages.
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Originally posted by Brak18
Hah once i get my account i'll show you what a pilot flying a Hurricane a year soild in H2H can do.
Yawn....
Widewing
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Shane, stop posting pictures of my squaddies on the BBS...
Respectable pilots? Um... best fights are usually against these chaps:
Levi (sneaky bastard that he is... if you can get him away from Honch though, hes not so bad.) ;)
WldThing (who I am now convinced is _______ which would explain why he makes me look like the dweeb that I am... CHEATER!)
Kbman (love em or hate em, smart stick)
Vati66 (endless scissors fights in the DA that usually end in rams at about 85 IAS)
Lazer (fly's with a mouse my ass, fugger's probably got a full cockpit and 16 monitors)
Any MAW (cause there are 35 others behind him)
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LOL.. No joke about the mouse. If you watch how i fly, you can see my weak spots are those where a stick would help! :P Views lagging behind and no rudder control is a damper, and the fact that i usually fly a big white bus with two engines. :D
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Originally posted by maxtor
secondly, any pilot who won't disengage even though he knows he is going to die if he doesn't
definition of a dieing dweeb (aka suicide dweeb):D
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I would have to say 2 pilots Im sure would spank me more often than not are Vati66 and Shamus.
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probably..........lazer he came and fought me in H2H a couple times
:p don't start with H2H ppl suck
i've had plenty of MA guys venturing into H2H saying "damn Nod ur pretty good with that thing"
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The most feared...
well none this is a game nothing can really happen to me, But the worst enemy i came across in the game is that damn little train and it's killer guns... that was before 1.10
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H2H sucking... Heh
I've had a steady diet of people coming into my H2H arena with the sole purpose of matching up against me and some of the other talents that hang out in there :) If it sucks so bad, how come people come in there looking for us?
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I like the Supreme Clown Posse Shane:D
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The ONLY thing I "FEAR" in the AH arena is the dreadful..................... ...........
WIFE ACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It is a 100% ONE PING KILL!
:eek:
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As quite a few guys have said earlier in this thread fear isn't what we feel when playing, but more a matter of recognising players with more ability then yourself and trying to do that little bit extra to gain an advantage over them.
I'm still fairly new to AH so the list of players with more ability then myself is to great to even try to list here, so maybe I should just say that if you play AH at sometime in the past or future your going to be handing me a spanking. On the reverse side of this though is the prospect of an average player like myself nailing a ''name'' in a furball, I would enjoy this but it would not be proper for me to tell the world how good I am because I killed XXXX and make it seem like a fair fight.
I always try to after a fight win or lose sometimes I may not have time for this but I would never be annoyed because someone killed me, I'll just get up and go again.
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Sounds like a challenger to King of the Squeeky Vox (Dlambda).
Originally posted by Brak18
Hah once i get my account i'll show you what a pilot flying a Hurricane a year soild in H2H can do.
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If you want to take the thread seriuosly then break it down a bit...
1 vs 1
DMF
Nath
Shane
In the MA
hblair
fester
wldwing
kbman
sancho
frenchy
Pure gunnery
Torque
I've never really had a chance to tangle with Drex or some of the others...hopefully that will change on my next "tour" of AH:)
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-- Todd/Leviathn [/B][/QUOTE]
You the same "Todd" that flew in AW on AOHELL in a squad called "The Iron Dogs"?
Drediock aka qg123/raptor, /IT\, PORNO
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I respect too many of um to mention. Those that I have faced on more than one occasion, not in order here, more like who most recently killed me: wldmn, spiegel, bkhawk doh can't remember anymore, ok those a lil further back, silat, akak, cavalear, whels, xbrit, shane, Wilbuz, NB, wow this list is long, hblair, kbman, leviathan and many more. Not to mention folks on my side way to numerous to mention.
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Originally posted by eagl
H2H sucking... Heh
I've had a steady diet of people coming into my H2H arena with the sole purpose of matching up against me and some of the other talents that hang out in there :) If it sucks so bad, how come people come in there looking for us?
Funny you should mention that. I have been trying to get in there to have some fun with you and the population last night, and it stays full. Maybe one evening I will manage to get in:)
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Hmmm....
Back in the day of AW....( I already hear the boo hiss )....there was a rat bastage of a 26 pilot who had a mean arse chiquita in the back named.....
Now those two I did respect in that beast...absolutely deadly....
<> and Manx I think....dont really recall.......:)
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I fear everyone who has been acutely nominated in this thread.
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I feel your pain ammo... Every time the host crashes and I bring it back up, it fills up within about 5 minutes. There is usually a few people who only stay for 15-20 min though, so you can probably get in eventually if you keep trying.
Unfortunately, I don't get as much time in there myself as I'd like... I don't think I can run two hosts from the same IP address, otherwise I'd have 2 hosts up 7/24 until/unless HTC told me not to do it.
In the meantime, I keep it running as much as possible and drop in to fly from time to time.
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I think you're referring to Khat guttboy. She was one hell of a gunner, while I'm not even a she. I flew spits and pony's on AOL and never dared step foot in an a-26 :p
had played here for a while, but I haven't heard from him in a while. I believe his most recent cpid was Target4U.
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weird thing is.. i have film of deafeating shane in 3 separate duels. P38 vs p51 x2, and p51 vs p51. If you care to see them ask at Ghedke@yahoo.com. ;) I could be a known threat if I flew la7/spit5 around constantly, but i decide to attempt to threat in a 2 engined whale. :p :D
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
You the same "Todd" that flew in AW on AOHELL in a squad called "The Iron Dogs"?
Nope, that's not me. I went by the CPIDs DeadF, +Dead, Cilk, and various others.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Originally posted by Lazer1
I could be a known threat if I flew la7/spit5 around constantly, but i decide to attempt to threat in a 2 engined whale. :p :D
If you are incapable of flying a P-38 any better than you describe it--"a whale"--then a Spit or La7 would not help you in the way you hope.
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Nath, i made my point once in MA by going on a 25 kill sortie with 1 reload in 25 minutes in la7. For your sake you should hope i stay away from it. So maybe, in a way, I could be cool like you if flew it? If i ever get un-poor and fly in MA again id be happy to fight you, if you are who I think you are, I owe you a fight anyways.
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FYI incase you didn't notice, Spit5/la7 tend to be a bit more agile than a p38.
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and I don't like you;)
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Originally posted by Lazer1
Nath, i made my point once in MA by going on a 25 kill sortie with 1 reload in 25 minutes in la7. For your sake you should hope i stay away from it. So maybe, in a way, I could be cool like you if flew it? If i ever get un-poor and fly in MA again id be happy to fight you, if you are who I think you are, I owe you a fight anyways.
Wow, you did all that and still people aren't putting you at the top of their feared list? I just can't believe it. What an insult! Such a slight! It's unbelievable that people don't recognize talent when they see it, so be sure to keep telling them how talented you are over and over and over again.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Originally posted by Lazer1
weird thing is.. i have film of deafeating shane in 3 separate duels. P38 vs p51 x2, and p51 vs p51. If you care to see them ask at Ghedke@yahoo.com. ;) I could be a known threat if I flew la7/spit5 around constantly, but i decide to attempt to threat in a 2 engined whale. :p :D
how old are those films?
;)
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wtf?!?! :( :( :( :(
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Spit5 is more agile than the 38, but I don't believe the La7 is. Of course, I'm a newbie 38 compared to some of you guys.
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Originally posted by TheManx
Spit5 is more agile than the 38, but I don't believe the La7 is. Of course, I'm a newbie 38 compared to some of you guys.
The P-38 is the perfect opponent of either plane, Manx. The Spit V is more nimble but far, far slower. The P-38 is more nimble than the La7 (in my experience P-38 vs. Shane's La7 anyway) while being slower.
Thus a P-38 can run from the more agile Spit V and turn with the faster La7. It's laughable to pretend, as Lazer has, that the P-38 requires ubermensch abilities to fly well. It matches up nicely to either the Spit V or the La7 if you fly to its strengths.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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That's been my experience with it as well. I've fought Shane's La7 with my 38 as well, and the fight is close until the speeds get slow and the 38 takes over. It's definitelly not a jab at Shane, as I believe he can do things with an La7 that I'd never be able to do (not that I'd want to tho :D ) with it. Just surprised I guess to see Lazer stating that the La7 might be nimbler than the 38. As for fighters that I'm afraid of, I don't honestly think there are any. Not because I'm any better than anyone else, but because it's still just a game. Here are people that I think are very good "at their style". Can only really compare pilots in planes that I've spent some time in.
38's
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Innominate (fought him once...had a great time.)
Kappa (smart pilot)
Frenchy
Gball
Ovrlord
Spiegel
Akak (another smart 38 driver)
Jugs
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Leftfoot (agressive turnfighter)
Frenchy (just that good)
Specs (if he isn't a 56th yet, don't know why not)
Spitfires
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Leviathn (not sure how he does that stuff)
Gball (excellent turnfighter)
Spiegel (can do stuff I could never do in them)
Ovrlord (smart, and turns on a dime)
Mustangs
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Rude (very smart, and turns fairly well)
BlueMako [sp] (fun wingman, always survive when he's around)
Any 441 Silver Fox pilot (shameless plug)
There are of course other pilots in the game that fly their planes quite well, but since I don't know much about their ride, I can't really comment. I've also probably missed a bunch of players who've handed my arse to me hundreds of times, but it's just an oversite.
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P38s good against a Spit V because it is faster... against a Spit IX it is dogmeat, in my opinion.
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good year shane.. 6 months maybe. :D
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The La7 will eat the p38 alive at all alts under 18k.... (insert g10 vs 38 also up to 25k)
Note thats the 2 cannon la7 not the heavy devy 3 meat grinder...
La7 at stall speeds will be under radii - ed by the 38 but not out turned...
The la7 only needs to get 6 position at any distance and its engine will do the rest....
Run him down.. Force him to turn and e fight him to death...
the 38 is great until it gets under 250mph....
after that it becomes a big target thats all... Yeah you might pull a trick or two but the la7 is a real bear when flown by a ace... Near unstoppable. with its acceleration... only thing holding la7 back is its fuel load...
2 cents
DoctorYo
PS the LA7 is dweeby ride...(unperked) Its like a g10 except it has no airlon lock up over 400mph ias... increased firepower, roll rate, highspeed handling you name it... Near perfect air to air ride... Too many novices fly that thing and give it a bad name.
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DOH!!! 38 vs. spit5........38 is lunch meat.:p
the super uber luftweenies.....
I fear there Boring tactics.....can't catch em unless your higher and more uber then them.....but ya gotta keep lookin in back.....cause said uber luftweenies will smack ya good.
I fear the teammates that prefer gettin kills then checkin 6
I fear the dickhead who thinks HO'n is a primary tactic:mad:
and the stupid comment: it takes 2 to HO.....no matter what you do to get out of the way...he gonna HO
damn even got ho'd in the DA:rolleyes:
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I think Im a spit dweeb.
What are the signs of this disease?
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
I think Im a spit dweeb.
What are the signs of this disease?
carpal tunnel.
:D
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There is no one pilot I "fear." Well, except for Urchin, but we're both rook :). When I die, it's usually because I did something really stupid after geting a kill.. not because someone outflew me. I haven't been killed by anyone "good" recently.. not that I can remember, anyway. The DA is a different story :)
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Just thought of one... Drex.
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Originally posted by SLO
DOH!!! 38 vs. spit5........38 is lunch meat.:p
the super uber luftweenies.....
I fear there Boring tactics.....can't catch em unless your higher and more uber then them.....but ya gotta keep lookin in back.....cause said uber luftweenies will smack ya good.
I fear the teammates that prefer gettin kills then checkin 6
I fear the dickhead who thinks HO'n is a primary tactic:mad:
and the stupid comment: it takes 2 to HO.....no matter what you do to get out of the way...he gonna HO
damn even got ho'd in the DA:rolleyes:
First off... it DOES take 2 to HO... usually. Unless you're flying on the deck, or engagine a hurricane or zeke, it's not hard to avoid a HO. All you have to do is fly underneath them, and they'll usually go for a shot.. giving you the opportunity to do a loop and come down on them while they're still flying upside down. And if I'm flying a 110G2 or a 190A8(with spud cannons), I'll HO anyone who has the balls, ala AGJV44.
And as for the DA... unless the person HO's you on the merge, there is absolutely nothing wrong with taking a shot at their nose. If you're in an angle fight, by definition, the only shot you're going to get is at their nose. If I beat someone around on the merge and there's a chance I'll get my nose on them, you better believe I'm going for the shot.
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oh my!!!....someone is tryin to justify using HO tactics
let me remind you....it takes 1 to shot on merge.
since we playin a GAME...try using SKILL instead of easy shots.
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>The P-38 is the perfect opponent of either plane, Manx. The Spit
>V is more nimble but far, far slower. The P-38 is more nimble
>than the La7 (in my experience P-38 vs. Shane's La7 anyway)
>while being slower.
>Thus a P-38 can run from the more agile Spit V and turn with the
>faster La7. It's laughable to pretend, as Lazer has, that the
>P-38 requires ubermensch abilities to fly well. It matches up
>nicely to either the Spit V or the La7 if you fly to its strengths.
Also depends on the play of the fight IMO.
38 vs spit, 38 will loose alot of advantage as fight goes on. Best to use tactics or engage into fight if a quick victory can be achieved. Else egress. Always kill spits quick if possible is my philosophy or dont tangle. They just keep too much enegry in a fight.
38 vs La-7, as fight goes on, gains advantage. La-7s usually get the 38 at start of engagement because of superior performance thus being able to dictate the attack on his terms. As fight progresses if he misses initially, 38 is a worthy opponent and probable victor unless la-7 buggs out or runs away (which they usually do). I love droping flaps on an la-7 if I get that chance.
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Originally posted by Lazer1
weird thing is.. i have film of deafeating shane in 3 separate duels. P38 vs p51 x2, and p51 vs p51. If you care to see them ask at Ghedke@yahoo.com. ;) I could be a known threat if I flew la7/spit5 around constantly, but i decide to attempt to threat in a 2 engined whale. :p :D
LOL...I've got an old AW clip of me hosing SHANE bout 5-6 in a row in an La-5...of course he was OOPSY then I was a hell of alot better than I am now (SIGH)...talk about star wars #$%...what's that old quote "obi-wan the circle is now complete..." Anyway, think I'd put my money on Shane :).
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Senna...38 vs La-7, as fight goes on, gains advantage. La-7s usually get the 38 at start of engagement because of superior performance thus being able to dictate the attack on his terms. As fight progresses if he misses initially, 38 is a worthy opponent and probable victor unless la-7 buggs out or runs away (which they usually do). I love droping flaps on an la-7 if I get that chance...
Got to disagree with that one, if a co-e 38 meets an la-7 and the la-7 dies it's pilot error....period. La-7 should control the fight from the beginning...doesn't mean he'll win, but if he loses he got beat by a better pilot...or he knowing pushed it to far trying for the kill.
Now a 38 with an E advantage has a decided advantage till the E evens out...of course that will only take about 3-4 seconds if the la-7 has any alt:)
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I haven't ran into too many of the big names in the MA, but Fester has spanked me 3-4 times. I used to think I was pretty good at cherry picking the kill in a furball, but his SA is, frankly, amazing. In a 262 he's like a great white shark :) I usually yawn when I see a 262 in the MA -- he doesn't give you time to yawn.
As others have said, more often or not I'm my own worst enemy.
Charon
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Originally posted by SLO
let me remind you....it takes 1 to shot on merge.
Finnaly someone that agrees!
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La-7s are freaking amazing sometimes. They are deadly as hell but when the fight slows down they arent so nimble and are actually quite clumsy. So long as they are buzzing up or down all around me thats ok. Soon as they get to my rear quarter hemisphere is when I start to panic. Id rather off tangent their move RIGHT AWAY even if its not the direction I want to go than allow them to settle in back there. However if they do settle in the rear off D5-9 and cant shoot straight, then I try to lure them into a slow fight and let them get closer. Twist a bit, they close up, drop flaps etc... I often get reversals on la-7s in a P-38. Thats why I feel they are not so great when they are slow (but its very dangerous there). Its just their high speed shark attacks are dangerous if the pilot is a good shot as well. La-7 hunting isnt very healthy in my opinion.
PS: In entering a fight area, the most dangerous unkown or unseen airplane is an la-7.
IMO...
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What a cool post... I had only one nemesis over the years and he is now my teammate! Drumroll..................... .
KBMAN!
Back in version 1.0X he would just cream me with that Golly-geened F4U. I think the FM was porked or something. It didn't matter what plane I was in, had an E or altitude advantage or whatever, he would just get on my bellybutton and that would be the end of it, no use fighting it, I knew it was inevidable (S?). This was a couple years ago when the numbers were less and the maps smaller, making it hard to avoid certain people if you still wanted to actually fight.
KBMAN!
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La7s aren't that hard to defeat. They have weakness's. Theres only two guys I hate in em, thats shane and kbman. Both of them have a combination of good skills and knowing any 'moves' I try to pull.
About 50% of my Lala kills are made without a shot being fired (by me).
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Havent had pleasure of fitin shane too much but KBMAN is a handfull. His flying style is similar to mine and so gives me a hard time. When I run into kbman its usually over in a flash, me or him. lol I think its funny actually, kinda suicidal sorta is my take on it.
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Let me specify, turnfight, not energy fight. P38 can beat la7 in turnfight, but spit5 it has no chance, i don't care if your god. In that case, against the more agile planes is the only time I resort to energy fighting. I am not trying to say p38 takes all that much skill to fly, but i could triple my kill tally in an la7 or a spit if I flew it as much as a lightning.
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Originally posted by Lazer1
I am not trying to say p38 takes all that much skill to fly, but i could triple my kill tally in an la7 or a spit if I flew it as much as a lightning.
Well, thank God you stick to the P-38, or you just might unbalance the arena all by your lonesome!
-- Todd/Leviathn
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3x kill tally! I just can't believe it!!!!
Lazer is my most feared pilot!
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Lazer1 is prolly right Dead Man Flying. When I had played for a couple of weeks I tried the La7. First sortie ... landed 4 kills, another first for me. After that I flew it almost exclusively and regularly landed 3-7 kills (no re-arm, hadn't figured out that one yet). I stopped flying the dweeb-7 when I realized why people spat in my face when I killed them in it. It's just so amazingly easy to succeed in.
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Originally posted by GScholz
Lazer1 is prolly right Dead Man Flying.
Well, of course he's right. He's the self-proclaimed Ace of Aces, after all! Every word out of his mouth is a gold nugget of air combat wisdom.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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lol
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so, seeing how easy it is to blow thru a furball in a fast la7 and get a few kills and run away, and being the kind of person who can't handle a little ridicule, GSholz so instead takes up the 190d9 or 109g10 and does the exact same thing, albeit a little less successfully - but at least no one is calling him a LAmer7 no more. btw when exactly was this great la7 experiment of yours?
:D
anyone ever point out a 109g10 can take on an la7 pretty much on equal terms? favor moves over to 109's side the higher the fight goes.
people always seem to forget to factor in the way various players fly when talking about what they fly.
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LOL! You're right about the D9 and G10. Both are superior to the La7 ... if you know how to exploit their strengths. The La7 is much easier to fly well, you can make mistakes and the plane will often save you from a bad situation. If you end up low and slow in the D9 you're dead. The G10 will kill you easily if you don't watch out for its terrible hi speed compression problem, and you can't outrun the pony's and tiffies.
Hmm ... looking at the stats page, it seems my memory failed me a bit. I had flown a little more than a month when I went on my dweeb-7 kill spree. Tour 33; 45 kills and 20 deaths in the La7. Had been experimenting up till then. Upped it a couple of times in tour 35 (prolly base defence/vulched field).
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The only time I saw Shane, I shot him down. Last tour I believe as it's the new month.
He cried on channel one, but no chute. He was a confetti bomb and had no chance to bail. :(
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Looking at your stats Shane, you must be the ultimate dweeb-7 driver!
Can't wait to see you on my s ... eh ... in my sights! :D
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I am the lord of the pony dweebs!! Fear the pony!!! unless of course....I'm driving it
25 kills in 25 minutes....hehehe you must have been flyin where i was tonight.... ran off 18 in my pony ... is it then as dweeby as they say the la7 is?
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If your leviathn, or whatever the hell you want your name to be, the maggot that flys spit5 consistantly and is considered good by yourself, your very mistaken if you think your going to beat me in a coalt spit5 fight son.
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Originally posted by Lazer1
If your leviathn, or whatever the hell you want your name to be, the maggot that flys spit5 consistantly and is considered good by yourself, your very mistaken if you think your going to beat me in a coalt spit5 fight son.
(1) Yes, I'm Leviathn. Clever of you to figure out that Leviathn is my game name and Todd is my real name. It's easy to confuse the two.
(2) I don't rate myself like you do, and you won't find me saying that I'm good or great or the greatest.
Though I have noticed my name has come up here a lot more by other people than yours has, nullifying your supposition that only I consider myself good. That must sting your fragile ego.
(3) How does it feel to be so unendowed that you need to announce your greatness to everyone in a thread about virtual online flight sim skills? LOL!
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Run for ze hills Leviathn! He's mad!
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Your right, I have nothing better to do. Hence the plane you fly relating with how many times your sweet and precious name has been brought up on here. If I flew spit5, maybe I could be cool like you levi! Maybe one day...
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Originally posted by Lazer1
Your right, I have nothing better to do. Hence the plane you fly relating with how many times your sweet and precious name has been brought up on here. If I flew spit5, maybe I could be cool like you levi! Maybe one day...
Thanks for the laughs, Lazer! You're a riot. Now excuse me while I hide so as to avoid further damage by your brutally sarcastic wit.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Originally posted by TheManx
Spitfires
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Leviathn (not sure how he does that stuff)
You guys havent figured it out yet?
HE CHEATS!
:p
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Originally posted by GScholz
Looking at your stats Shane, you must be the ultimate dweeb-7 driver!
Can't wait to see you on my s ... eh ... in my sights! :D
got tired of not being able to catch run09's and 90's in a pony.
switched to la7's to be able to chase 'em down a bit better.
:)
you won't find me in your sight's in a furball. i'll be that single red dot on the map about 10-15 miles away to the side; one you probably won't even bother checking out, but if you do, and you come across a low la7... approach with care, it's not chained to a tree.
:)
oh and creamo, i hardly ever bail. :D
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Puppies.
;)
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You were in a Pee 51 Shane, you didn't bail because when I hit you, it looked like a party popper. Your channel one rant was similiar. Quick, explosive, and just lotsa crap to quickly sweep aside, heh.
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Leviathn.. it is all well and good to make fun of Lazer, but I think he has a point. He probably *could* double or triple is K/D (and improve on everything else) if he were to fly a N1K, Spit or La7.
Actually I think for him it'd be the Spit9 or N1K2, since those do everything better than the P38 does. I think if someone has a K/D of X flying the P38, it wouldn't be at all unreasonable for them to have a K/D of 2 or 3X in a N1K or Spit.
Same for the la7, if you are a 109 or 190 pilot with a K/D of X, you could reasonaby expect to double or triple that in the La7, along with improving K/T and such. Why? Because the plane is simply better.
Course, thats just my 2 cents.
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Just so that there is no confussion.... I am "lazs" not that insipid, infantile lazer guy.
I have little or no talent but I can easily beat both lazer and shane allmost any time.... Leviathn is another matter... he is very good at what he does. and.... a gentleman. leviathn fights tougher fights with better opponents than either of the aforementioned... they, nor me, are not in his league.
lazs
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Oh... urchin is better than shane or (lol) "lazer" too.
lazs
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Damn still nobody mentioned my fine p38 skills
mine ego is very hurt.
The pain is un heard of
All celebreties fell for mine guns once (when it was big enough)
La7 only fear me coz of it's unfair little freakin target size.
:mad:
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I have a long list of great sticks. vati,shamus,EDO,Mazz,Wulf...all in my squad good sticks. Goth, Helm. Melkor...good sticks. Those 38 tardlets..all good sticks. Manx, Silat, Urchin and his squadies all good sticks. Lev, Drex, Lazs come to mind. Shane is good. Those 56th tards. Damn...to many to type.
Actualy the game is full of great sticks.
FatBat
ex-xBAT
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some1 will always call you a dweeb...no matter what you drive.
Lev's is a dweeb
Lazer's a dweeb
Urchin is a uber luftweenie(dweeb in german:D )
Shane is SUPER dweeb
come to think of it....your all uber dweebs....its my super sensitive dweebness that says so.:eek:
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Originally posted by Urchin
Same for the la7, if you are a 109 or 190 pilot with a K/D of X, you could reasonaby expect to double or triple that in the La7, along with improving K/T and such. Why? Because the plane is simply better.
What about those of us that dont play for K/D?
(PS: Im really good at this game, honest) :D
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I've fought you Mazz, you aren't bad at all.
Even in the area of K/T, K/S, and 'points' (since landing a sortie will get more points), the 'Big 4' are superior to every other plane in the game. If they weren't.... they wouldn't be the big 4 :).
I spoke merely of K/D because that was what Lazer had limited his comments to.
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Mazz, you aren't the same guy as "mass" are you? Haven't seen him in a long time...
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I very rarely recognize anyone I kill these days. Rarely ever kill the same dweeb twice.
Last night I think I whacked dead 8 or 9 people. I recalled seeing the name of one of them once, a few months back.
Damned game has gotten too big for its britches, but I still enjoy it :)
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Originally posted by hblair
Mazz, you aren't the same guy as "mass" are you? Haven't seen him in a long time...
Mass is Saw (Saintaw if you prefer) he was flying last month
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Thanks straffo. People need to keep their original handles and quit confusing me. ;)
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Lately, I’ve been spending more time in the CT than in the MA, largely due to the mob-like mass gang battles in the MA, which I really don’t like participating in (on either side of them).
Overall, the quality of the pilots in the CT may be higher than in the MA, mostly because there are far fewer noobs (lower percentage of the population). Other factors such as short-range icons and no dot dar beyond immediate field radar elevates SA skill requirements to higher levels than are required in the MA. Add to that a limited plane-set, and it can be tougher to survive and thrive. Those noobs who do show up often get discouraged because life in the CT is usually short and violent for beginners. Those who tough it out generally improve quickly and soon become someone to be reckoned with. One example of this is Bluesy. Before long, he will a formidable pilot.
Indeed, there are some really good sticks that fly as regulars, such as Fester, Shane, Wilbuz, Eskimo, Ammo, Ghosth, Daddog and many others who grace us with their skills. On one occasion, I had the good fortune to wing up with Fester, Shane and Eskimo for a few fighter missions. I had a great time. The opposition was not nearly as pleased. ;) I have great respect for the above named, as well as for most of those who fly the CT. I don’t fear them, but I am fully cognizant that I cannot afford to make a mistake when fighting them. Moreover, I have benefited from flying with them, paying very close attention.
I have had some terrific battles with Shane. One stands out because it lasted for what seemed like forever. Shane was in a 109G-10, I had a Spit XIV. Neither of us knew that the other was virtually out of ammunition. This fight was interesting because most of it was fought in the vertical. No one was able to gain any significant advantage on the other. Finally, my fuel became critical and I disengaged and Shane, in essentially the same condition, didn’t follow. When we talked about the fight we both laughed when we realized that neither of us any more than a few MG rounds remaining, and no cannon ammo. Shane landed his four kills, I landed my three. Fights like these are commonplace in the CT, and Shane avoids no one or concerns himself with being at a disadvantage. In fact, he thrives on being at the initial disadvantage. Personally, I think he’s nuts! :D
I wish that more of the good sticks would drop by the CT for a few sorties. Sometimes, during MA resets, a crowd will arrive, but only fly a sortie or two before heading back to the MA. Hey guys, stick around a while!
My regards,
Widewing
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most fun fights i have are frenchy. what he can do in a 47 always inpresses me . dont get me wrong I still kill him :). but he is really great and will fight when not at advantage unlike 99% of the rest mentioned here.
most the rest are cherry pickers or gamers. french beats you with manuvers not holes in the flight model.
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why be scared of anyone...its not as if you lose anything but some pride and a few perks when they kill you
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FEAR? Fear is for rutabagas.
Karaya2
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Lazs, your right, you could beat me, if I was missing both arms and comsumed 10 cans of beer. Also, I don't recall bringing up K/D and it not at all important to me when flying in MA, or I wouldn't be the idiot feeding vulchers kills.
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Lazs the only reason you are as good as you are, is because I used to clear your 6, without me you are nothing. Besides if you didn't always steal drex's kills your K/D would be in the toilet.
:)
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lazer.. u should get that drinking under control... If there is a good pilot under that haze you should let him out.... still... to do what you do with no arms is pretty amazing.
narsus... SO?
lazs
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Originally posted by Urchin
Leviathn.. it is all well and good to make fun of Lazer, but I think he has a point. He probably *could* double or triple is K/D (and improve on everything else) if he were to fly a N1K, Spit or La7.
Actually I think for him it'd be the Spit9 or N1K2, since those do everything better than the P38 does. I think if someone has a K/D of X flying the P38, it wouldn't be at all unreasonable for them to have a K/D of 2 or 3X in a N1K or Spit.
Same for the la7, if you are a 109 or 190 pilot with a K/D of X, you could reasonaby expect to double or triple that in the La7, along with improving K/T and such. Why? Because the plane is simply better.
Course, thats just my 2 cents.
actually Urchin,
if u cant get and maintain a 10+ K/D in La7 ur doing something wrong. i flew it as main ride 1 tour a few back. at 1 time had a 35 to 1 K/D, ended with 15 to 1 i think.
La7 id incredibly easy to kill and rtb multiple kills in.
whels
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so you know how to survive in the MA whels.....doesn't give you any skills my friend....just that your afraid to mix it up in furballs.
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Is that the only measure of skill? Mix it up in a furball...get 3 or 4 kills, then get shot down? Seems to me that survival is a skill in itself...assuming one is willing to engage the enemy. SLO, you're seemingly implying that high K/D is not reflective of skill but rather cowardice. One could buzz around in an LA7 and get plenty o' kills and have a great K/D & K/S.. but skill would be required. A no-skill dweeb simply couldn't get the the K/S and K/D up to a decent level. Also, regardless of skill and the plane you fly, you have to make good decisions or all the ACM in the world will mean little. SLO, I respect your opinion and I'm not trying to start an argument but I feel to have a decent K/S or K/D in any plane requires skill. I politely disagree with your last post.
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I try to fly somewhat realistically most of the time. I take off from a clear base grab alt to the action and work my way down then go land the results at my Takeoff base. Not the best way to make score in Aces High, but it is satisfying for me. I seldom encounter the furball pilots, nor do they encounter me - but I don't lose sleep over that :)
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I agree with ya steve...it does take skills to survive....but like me...you know it takes more then SA skills to kill you:D
someone can have a better plane better guns.....his SA gave him a better position......his SA skills will NOT get the better of me.....his fighting skills will:)
your SA means nothing if its 2on1 or 3on1.
sorry I shoulda been more precise.
answer this.....when was the last time you survived a 2on1 3on1 4on1.
SA will give you a better chance to survive...it won't give you better fighting skills...
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you gotta be K/Ding me.
So far, I have survived every sortie I have ever flown.
Even the ones that I got killed on.
To me, "surviving" a fight only delays the inevitable re-upping.
My furball motto: "Whoever dies first gets the newest plane"
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You all are suxor compared to me.
:) :o :p
DoctorYo
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good point SLO
Honch: the eternal optimist!
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When you suck as bad as I do - its easy to have a sense of humor about getting shot down.
But, maybe someday I'll be mentioned on a thread like this . . someday... :D
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Originally posted by Steve
SLO, I respect your opinion and I'm not trying to start an argument but I feel to have a decent K/S or K/D in any plane requires skill.
I disagree. As is usually the case, a decent K/S or K/D in any plane may be an indicator of skill. Naturally, it might also indicate a score-obsessed cherry picking weenie or someone who goes heavy on the vulching. The real key is knowing how one flies and under what circumstances he or she normally fights.
I'm far more impressed by a K/D ratio of 2 from someone who I know consistently fights from a disadvantage than a K/D ratio of 15 from someone who always engages with alt, numbers, and speed. That the former can manage two kills at all from such a situation impresses me; that the latter only manages fifteen kills for each death given such advantages just doesn't do it for me.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
I disagree. As is usually the case, a decent K/S or K/D in any plane may be an indicator of skill. Naturally, it might also indicate a score-obsessed cherry picking weenie or someone who goes heavy on the vulching. The real key is knowing how one flies and under what circumstances he or she normally fights.
I'm far more impressed by a K/D ratio of 2 from someone who I know consistently fights from a disadvantage than a K/D ratio of 15 from someone who always engages with alt, numbers, and speed. That the former can manage two kills at all from such a situation impresses me; that the latter only manages fifteen kills for each death given such advantages just doesn't do it for me.
-- Todd/Leviathn
Don't ya just hate it when he's right:)
I am one of those vultch weenies, and enjoy it . At the same time I have been dedicating at least 1/2 of my time to coming in low and staying low till I die to try and improve .
Leviathon is dead on the money, 2 kills in the dirt has more sastisfaction than the other way.
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Todd: as with SLO, I respect your difference of opinion. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised to see that I am in the minority here. I'm not saying either of you are wrong, just that my view/opinion is different. I could,( and used to regularly, at least in AW) go into a furball in my spitty, regardless of whether I was at the top of the pile or not, and maintain a K/D of 3-4/1. It's tons of fun but became rather boring(for me). It got to be that there were only a couple guys that could hang versus my spit 1v1.. and those were other spitty sticks, no other plane could hang. So I turned to a new challenge: getting some kills and getting home. Now, in your mind(and many others) I may now be a "cherry picking weenie"(although I love fights 1v1)..but I'm not a score potato. Score and K/D may be a byproduct... I'm an "rtb" weenie. Getting home with a kill or 3 is what's fun for me, just like knife fighting is what's fun for you. I understand this doesn't impress or "do it" for you.. but it's how I have fun... I hope you appreciate that.
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Sax.. it's not a matter of who is right.. it's a matter of what each person enjoys. If you enjoy knife fighting on the deck in a cluster of frendlies and enemies... go for it!. I'd rather find a bad guy or 3, kill them and return home.. it's what I enjoy. I don't see how either is "right". Nowhere in the rules does it say that one method is better than the other... both require skills.. if different ones.
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KISS....Keep It Simple Stupid
We were using this quote in the Air Force in 1971. It 's compatriot qutoe is RTFQ. Read the f**king question.
Stony
:cool:
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I've been killin folks in mass quantities for many moons in these sims....getting kills and landing them has nothing at all to do with true ability and skill.
Being on the short end of a 3v1, enemy with the advantage and flyin away with their scalps marks true skill and ability....those kind of virtual pilots are few and far between....I'll bet there is not more than 20 in this entire inventory of humans.
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Originally posted by Steve
fun but became rather boring(for me). It got to be that there were only a couple guys that could hang versus my spit 1v1.. and those were other spitty sticks, no other plane could hang.
You MUST be talking about a RR spit. :D
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X2LEE... Ya, so?
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Originally posted by Rude
I've been killin folks in mass quantities for many moons in these sims....getting kills and landing them has nothing at all to do with true ability and skill.
Being on the short end of a 3v1, enemy with the advantage and flyin away with their scalps marks true skill and ability....those kind of virtual pilots are few and far between....I'll bet there is not more than 20 in this entire inventory of humans.
Yup.
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Rude... your opinion is unfair in one respect: if there is no skill in getting kills and landing them, why don't ALL the D9 and pony pilots have K/d's over 10.0? My point: there is some skill involved in getting and landing kills. The fact that so few FW, La7, and pony pilots have less than spectacular K/D's is indeputable proof of this. Some of the E fighter sticks furball, so we can exclude them... what about the rest? In the entire MA there are less than 15 guys with a K/D of 10.0 or better. If getting and landing kills requires no true skill... why aren't there hundreds over 10.0? I submit that maintaining a very high K/D does take skill, as evidenced by what I've discussed...very few of the hundreds of D9/LA7/Pony sticks have anything approaching that. Now, I agree, a guy that can regularly tangle 1v3 and come out the winner is truly a skilled person...the kind of guy you know you've run into after a couple roundies.
You guys can pound on me all ya like.. I simply see it as evidenced by the lack of K/D's over 10 that landing kills requires skill..albeit different than furballing.
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sniff sniff...nobody mentioned me as a pilit to fear, or even a uber dweeb (closer to th truth)
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Originally posted by Steve
Rude... your opinion is unfair in one respect: if there is no skill in getting kills and landing them, why don't ALL the D9 and pony pilots have K/d's over 10.0? My point: there is some skill involved in getting and landing kills. The fact that so few FW, La7, and pony pilots have less than spectacular K/D's is indeputable proof of this. Some of the E fighter sticks furball, so we can exclude them... what about the rest? In the entire MA there are less than 15 guys with a K/D of 10.0 or better. If getting and landing kills requires no true skill... why aren't there hundreds over 10.0? I submit that maintaining a very high K/D does take skill, as evidenced by what I've discussed...very few of the hundreds of D9/LA7/Pony sticks have anything approaching that. Now, I agree, a guy that can regularly tangle 1v3 and come out the winner is truly a skilled person...the kind of guy you know you've run into after a couple roundies.
You guys can pound on me all ya like.. I simply see it as evidenced by the lack of K/D's over 10 that landing kills requires skill..albeit different than furballing.
Steve....
Read again pls....I didn't say no skill, I said it had nothing to do with TRUE ability and skill....big difference.:)
As to why the D9 and Pony pilots do not have k/d's above 10.0 is very simple and I'll share the truth with ya.....achieving a k/d above 10 and maintaining it through the end of a tour requires not skill, but rather patience and caution...there is a big difference between the two.
Is there any thing wrong with someone flying one of those rides in a manner consistent with history? Absolutely not. However, when I start hearing folks claiming, hey I've got skills because I have a high k/d, I have to shake my head.
I know pilots in the MA who can plain whoop any one of your high k/d pilots. The two styles speak to different sets of attributes....The high k/d pilot is that of patience and conditions....the one I speak of, to raw talent and ability.
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I think kill per time is probably the best judge of raw piloting skill. Coming from the curently 2nd highest ranked kills/hour pilot :)
Grins, Ducks, Runs!
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Hmmm ok.. I'll buy that, mostly. what about this anomaly: a guy had a k/D of 10 or better, a K/S of... whatever is exceptional(what is?)... and a K/T that is excpetional (what is?)
What I mean is... if a guy flies a D9 and has a K/d of... 10 or more.. and a K/T of... whats good? 8? 9? 10?
Must he not be skilled as well as patient/cautious? Anyone that makes good decisions and possesses nominal skill can have a very high K/D, and I think that is a point you were making. What about the guy in the d9 with respectable/exceptional numbers in all 3(K's /D /T /S)?(Is there anyone doing this?) Personally, I am unable to achieve this, just not skilled enough.. I see K/T's of over 10 and mentally give the person a nod of respect... I cannot seem to get mine to 8. But... and it's important... I am having fun :)
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Originally posted by WldThing
Aggresivness = Skill
neh... not quiiiiiiiite.
aggressiveness is one path to acquiring skills in an air combat sim.
levi's quote in my sig pretty much sums it up for me.
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my god Shane i posted that 45 seconds ago... I edited it and you have already replied... my god man get a life! :D :)
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Originally posted by WldThing
my god Shane i posted that 45 seconds ago... I edited it and you have already replied... my god man get a life! :D :)
No Mercy!!!! :mad: :mad: :D
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Steve.....
There is currently a player in the top 10 score wise, who has a great k/d and a stellar k/t....I assure you, he could not handle a Drex or Levi or Nath or a number of others...he is at best an average pilot who knows how to work the scoring system.
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Aggressiveness being the most important quality in actual air combat is the one constant factor referred to by the great aces
in history.
He who flys defensively has already lost the fight.
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Man, dont make me go get all my quotes ;)
So very true rude. Rank means little in AH except that *most* high rankers have excess time on their hands.
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Originally posted by Steve
Hmmm ok.. I'll buy that, mostly. what about this anomaly: a guy had a k/D of 10 or better, a K/S of... whatever is exceptional(what is?)... and a K/T that is excpetional (what is?)
What I mean is... if a guy flies a D9 and has a K/d of... 10 or more.. and a K/T of... whats good? 8? 9? 10?
Must he not be skilled as well as patient/cautious? Anyone that makes good decisions and possesses nominal skill can have a very high K/D, and I think that is a point you were making. What about the guy in the d9 with respectable/exceptional numbers in all 3(K's /D /T /S)?(Is there anyone doing this?) Personally, I am unable to achieve this, just not skilled enough.. I see K/T's of over 10 and mentally give the person a nod of respect... I cannot seem to get mine to 8. But... and it's important... I am having fun :)
If you fly a fast plane you can have 10 to 1 ratios easy if you
want to.
Fly something slow and maintain a high kill ratio then I concede you are good.
speed is the cushion of sloppiness.
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Originally posted by X2Lee
If you fly a fast plane you can have 10 to 1 ratios easy if you
want to.
Fly something slow and maintain a high kill ratio then I concede you are good.
speed is the cushion of sloppiness.
let's not just point out speed as a cushion... flying *safe* within mobs (big or small) is as much a cushion for sloppiness as you say speed is.
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Originally posted by Shane
let's not just point out speed as a cushion... flying *safe* within mobs (big or small) is as much a cushion for sloppiness as you say speed is.
yup so right...
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steve... I think we all agree that it takes a special skill to consitently choose the right fight and prevail... even if the actual "fight" isn't much of a fight. OTOH... it takes an entirely different skill to prevail in close in combat where the other person(s) know u are there and may have the advantage to start.
More importantly... bragging asside... In either "skill" I think the pilots know which of their fights required skill and which were flukes.
There may be a slight animosity between the two groups..... fueled when one braggs about the abilities. Probly tho... the B&Zers are the most defensive. What they do appears.... Timid.. Choosing the best planes in the game to practice their skill also makes their skill look more "plane choice than skill" being hit by one while busy in a fight also increases animosity as does simply seeing them circling around above the fight like vultures knowing that they are pretty much untouchable.
most of my fights start with a guy diving in on me in a plane that should be better than mine. OTOH... a lot of the guys that attack me are new or ... overconfident or inexperianced. The fog of war allows me to kill easily in a large furball environment filled with a lot of guys not paying attention.
it's all fun tho... I just don't have the patience or focus to be a B&z guy.
lazs
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"What they do appears.... Timid.. Choosing the best planes in the game to practice their skill also makes their skill look more "plane choice than skill" being hit by one while busy in a fight also increases animosity as does simply seeing them circling around above the fight like vultures knowing that they are pretty much untouchable. "
An apt description.
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Originally posted by Brak18
Accualy one of my best runs was about 5 kills straight in a h2h server set to MA defaults. But they were all low and tried to out turn me.
That's it? I get that many before I even taxi out of the hanger :rolleyes:
Ack-Ack
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Originally posted by akak
That's it? I get that many before I even taxi out of the hanger
Only five? You're slipping, dude.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Originally posted by Urchin
P38s good against a Spit V because it is faster... against a Spit IX it is dogmeat, in my opinion.
Only chance a P-38 has against a Spitfire IX is if you get lucky enough to fight it in a high speed turn fight or in a stall fight. At high speeds, the P-38 can get inside a Spit IX's turn and the gentle stall characteristics of the P-38 give it a slight edge in stall fights. Not saying these are 100% sure fire ways of shooting down a Spitfire IX but just two tactics that might give you a chance to survive against one.
Ack-Ack
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I just remembered some others, JapanX, Saw, Mandoble. I'll keep um coming as I remember hehee
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RWY was always my most feared pilot, he would hand me my arse in his P-51 every time. I remember when i was in the 56th FG and we were on a mission at 30k and we saw 2 P51's coming in in formation.....ammo and I were shot down in a matter of minutes as RWY outmaneuvered and shot us down. He was definately the best pony pilot IMO....what ever happened to him?
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At the moment of death I will smile
It's the triumph of shame and disease
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Originally posted by XNachoX
He was definately the best pony pilot IMO....what ever happened to him?
I handed him his bellybutton several times in duels, then he dissapeared.
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Originally posted by Commander rialbh
I say hblair am best pilot of all time. him am very scarey pilot!
Originally posted by Eagler
I dont think they meant looks :)
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LOL :D
Can't believe this thread was started in this year, feels like it was years ago.
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What a plethora of poutingly posturing pansys!
Every single post in this gallery of on-line onany is anacdotal, subjective and with no supporting data.
There can be only one, you loosers (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=90031&referrerid=710)
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Originally posted by hblair
Mazz, you aren't the same guy as "mass" are you? Haven't seen him in a long time...
Saw was Mass for a while I believe.
Most feared/ respected pilots for me would be anyone with JG1 Osou after their name.
Those guys will mix it up regardless of the odds, and nine times out of ten,they'll hand you your butt.
At least, they've been handing me mine since way back in the WB days.
Mitsu was allways another, havent seen him in months, but when he was about, it pretty much garunteed some tower time for me :)
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Hey gang, first time checking this board for nearly 8 months now. Hows everyone going?
My most feared (when i was playing):
Mitsu
Hristo
Nath (dont like saying that)
heck, most of the old-skool/old-timers who have too much time on their hands.
Im sure ill get my wings back someday, till then, im grounded.
Spat.
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Originally posted by Spatula
Hey gang, first time checking this board for nearly 8 months now. Hows everyone going?
My most feared (when i was playing):
Mitsu
Hristo
Nath (dont like saying that)
heck, most of the old-skool/old-timers who have too much time on their hands.
Im sure ill get my wings back someday, till then, im grounded.
Spat.
howdy Spatula
when you do, drop into the CT
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I dont. I dont have a computer (using works at the mo).
May be a while till i get one too. So feet are firmly on the ground for a bit longer yet :(
Dont worry, when i come back ill be soft as cookie dough...
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Originally posted by gofaster
And to make it worse, they just sit there and take it! They keep their P-51Ds near stall speed, nice and slow, in a lazy pattern over the field. Its as if they're taunting you, daring you to climb up there from the airfield and join their Circle of Hell. And when you've exhausted your ammo, they're still up there, taunting you, teasing you, begging you for more. Its Evil, pure Evil!
I also fear them because they are the only pilots i know who can fly without a wing and on fire, plus still manage to fly straight and in perfect circles
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
I disagree. As is usually the case, a decent K/S or K/D in any plane may be an indicator of skill. Naturally, it might also indicate a score-obsessed cherry picking weenie or someone who goes heavy on the vulching. The real key is knowing how one flies and under what circumstances he or she normally fights.
I'm far more impressed by a K/D ratio of 2 from someone who I know consistently fights from a disadvantage than a K/D ratio of 15 from someone who always engages with alt, numbers, and speed. That the former can manage two kills at all from such a situation impresses me; that the latter only manages fifteen kills for each death given such advantages just doesn't do it for me.
-- Todd/Leviathn
Amen to that! Preach on brotha' Levi. :D
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Mazz, you aren't the same guy as "mass" are you? Haven't seen him in a long time...
No hblair - he started up on AW shortly after me - odd that I remember him - we used to give eachother **** for our names quite often. ;)
CPID has been Mazz since I started as a young whippersnapper.
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The most feared pilot is the one that just did that ACM you thought was impossible and is now on your arse! :D
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Here is my list:
Pilots I have faced:
Fester - I usually end up saying "how did he do that?" :eek: but I haven't seen him much lately.
Shane - He can beat me blindfolded :D:, and dispite his rants on ch1 is a very helpful and good guy.
Frenchy - The cause of my P47 phobia. :mad:
Pilots I haven't faced:
Drex
Leviathan
WildThing
Honorable mention:
Sancho
Nomde
Kappa
Hblair
Hey thanks for the mention GSholtz (made my day), your a great stick too. I am afraid I catch way too many bullets from these guys above to be considered in their class however. :rolleyes:
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MANDOBLE - never shot him down, had some excellent dogfights though (TEACH ME TO SHOOT MANDOBLE!)
DmdCoach - him and his Typhoon, every encounter I had with him, I went down in flames.
Specs - every fight I've had with him in his P-47 have been fun as hell.
DmdDano - Great Dog fights with this guy, especially in that Yak 9.
There are many other, please forgive if I dont mention you all. When I get my new PC, I will return
Torvald
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Originally posted by Torvald
(TEACH ME TO SHOOT MANDOBLE!)
Torvald, with 190s the key is just to forget the sight at all. Dont use it and, in few weeks, your aiming with that plane will be lethal.
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Originally posted by Torvald
DmdCoach - him and his Typhoon, every encounter I had with him, I went down in flames.
DmdDano - Great Dog fights with this guy, especially in that Yak 9.
Torvald
Not only are they good pilots but they can really belt out the show tunes like Ethal Merman on speed. It's a treat being a Knight and getting the chance to hear them sing songs from your favorite Broadway shows.
Ack-Ack
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i fear myself most, as i have a nasty tendency to crash :D
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Karnak, aka, me.
I am personally responsible for more of my deaths than any other single person, therefore I must be the most dangerous pilot and therefore I should fear me most.:D
EDIT: This was written without reading any of the thread, therefore I claim no intentional simularities with the post above mine.
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LOL karnak, same idea, posted at the same time :D
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So it would seem, though I didn't know you'd just posted that. I simply didn't read anybody else's posts.:D
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I fear myself the most. If not for stupid mistakes I wouldnt have half the deaths I do. :rolleyes:
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Shane ...
Cause everytime he shoots me down he makes fun of me and makes me cry. :D
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Has to be jconradh when he was flying regularly. Ruthlessly efficient killer.
-Blogs
Originally posted by janneh
Related to Lazer1's post, who is your most "feared" pilot?
Not according to scores, but who you have found most deadly in the skies.
To whom I've fought against: (not in particular order):
Hristo
He just knows how to fly luftwobble. This is the guy I least would like to face in H2H.
Sancho
He just knows how to fly a jug
Mitsu
Doesn't matter if he's in "place your ac here" , he will get you killed! Amazing guy.
Shane
Alhtought I hate to say this, but regardless of his big online mouth, he's good
Can't remember his name
He was from korea (or that he claimed anyway), he flew 109's and was leathal in it. He's mouth was as fast as his MG's :)
(If anyone remember his name, please tell...)
These are my one of the most "feared" opponents, of course there are zillions of excellent pilots, but they are flying in different time zone or they are flying for the same country. So just place here your most feared pilots of your time zone, not according to scores :)
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why fear anyone its a game. besides ive been shot down by just about everyone.but i have a great time at it so
to everyone whos had a tatertot or 2.
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Hey Spatula!! good to see ya around agin ... did ya end up moveing to the UK?
Should come back for AHII if ya can make it ....and don't you dare join the 412th just cause they fly ponies :D
My most feared pilot .... ummmm nobody really .. but I kinda worry about a few .... Too many 'good' sticks to name.. and most have been said already
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Originally posted by joeblogs
Has to be jconradh when he was flying regularly. Ruthlessly efficient killer.
-Blogs
Buttkisser!!
No you can't have my Bud Lite!!!!!!!
:eek:
Jeff
(man with no score for 7 months now...)
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Yeager is my most feared pilot but only because he is SUCH AN OLD VETERAN that if you do manage to shoot him down he could croak with a heart attack! :D
I dont want to be responsible for killing such an old GIT :D
Yeager , still some of us old school AH'ers left :)