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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: eddiek on January 03, 2003, 05:05:07 PM
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Building a plastic scale model of a Razorback Jug, hoping one of you guys can steer me in the right direction to find some color photos of Robert Johnson's "Lucky".
Gonna make my own decals and want it to be "just right"........
Thanks in advance, fellas. :D
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Color photo's of "lucky" is a very optimistic desire:) I dont think those exist. However, you can be assured of a few things, the colors for lucky will be USAAF dark OD and nuetral to light gray for that time period.
http://www.clubhyper.com/forums/forum.htm
Do a simple search to see how other modelers did their P-47. Alot of these guys do awesome amounts of research into their kits before assembly and painting
A good bet would be the following
Tamiya XF-4 for the wheel wells, wheel well doors, etc.
Tamiya OD (XF-62) and Gray (XF-54) for the scheme.
For the cockpit, gunze H302 (FS34092)(see attached photo of somone elses work, quite good too)
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here is a post by a guy named Dave Sherrill at Hyperscale on this subject-
"The color instructions on the new Tamiya P-47 call for AS-6 Olive Drab as the upper surface color. In the February 1996 FSM "Modeling the Second World War", there is an article by Bob Archer about USAAF aircraft camouflage colors. Archer writes that Tamiya XF-62 is an,"extremely close match" to Dark Olive Drab No.41. Archer is the author of "The Official Monogram US Army Air Service & Air Corps Aircraft Color Guide" and his authority in this matter would seem unquestionable. He states in the FSM article that, "few if any" USAAF aircraft were finished in an olive drab color other than Dark Olive Drab No. 41, prior to the orders to cease camouflage production painting."
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Thanks, Ammo!
Had to look for this thread, I posted it in the General Discussion inadvertently.
Sorry, HiTech, Pyro, my bad................
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:D
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(http://www.web-birds.com/8th/56/61st/hv-p-lucky.jpg)
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I LOVE ya man! Thanks!!!! :)
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Ugly. Why build such a thing when there are 190s?
:D
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I put the P-47N on hold, but I bought a Tamiya P-47D "Razorback" in 1/48 scale today.
Need your input on cockpit stuff, coloring, etc............
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nice kit!
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heres the R2800
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Eddie..
Go here (http://www.clubhyper.com/forums/forum.htm) and search this forum for P-47 topics. The new Tamya P-47 is the hottest kit going right now and is discussed widely. I also suggest going to he scale workshop to download the "how to" videos and go to hyperscale (just type in hyperscale in a search engine) and read there articles. There is plenty of info out there.
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numbah one!! woohoo :D
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interesting photo frenchy... notice the light color surround (most likely red) on the US insignia on wing and fuselage, which contrasts the color plate which has the dark blue surround.
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BTW, how much did you pay for that kit and where did you get it?
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Lots of combat aircraft of the era saw a series of paint modifications in theatre.. the winter schemes were different every year, and the spring repaints often saw the insignia upgraded, changed. New Squadron CO's would often order trim changes also.
When I did the research on a P-51 I modeled I found three photos of the same plane.. 43-44 spring (Pre-DDay) 44-45 winter, 45 spring, all with diffrent insigina detailing, ID stripes and squadron paint trim schemes. Pick a date on Lucky's time line and have fun.
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yep, there were a lot of different paint schemes used over time often changing the look of a single plane. clearly the color plate is a later paint scheme than the photo. Not only is the insignia surround is blue instead of red (which was only used for a few months in mid-late'43 I think), but the white ETO identification bands on the tail are painted out with green paint, and the cowl front end is red instead of the earlier white.
Also, the red-nosed, early '44 'Lucky' should have a paddle blade prop. Which specific brand of paddle blade prop on 'Lucky' is unclear. Beware the Thunderbolt on page 52 says the following:
January 4, 1944: VIII FC FO 212, Ramrods to Munster. All P-47 groups operational. This was the first mission by the 56th Fighter Group with all P-47s now equipped with the "paddle bladed" props. The new props had either Curtiss "long-wide" or A.O. Smith "short-wide" blades.
Now, I don't know which one Lucky used, and I've never seen an A.O. Smith prop, only the Curtiss and Hamilton Standard types. Anybody got a picture of one of them AO Smith props, or more appropriately, a late photo of Lucky?
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great reference, I wish I had that when I was arguing for the paddleblade on the AH D11:)
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Naw, the price is trivial, seeing as how I've been waiting two years for this store to have a Jug model available in that scale.
I paid $41.00 for it, got it at a store in Amarillo, called Hobbytime.
If you want, I can get the last one they had on the shelf for ya and mail it to you.
Debating on using the kit canopy or getting a vac-formed one.
As to the colors, well, I want it to look good, but I am not anal about the "exactness" of the colors.
They stock Tamiya and Testors Model Master, and Polly Scale paints; in the past I have tended to lean towards the Testors paints and have a nice inventory of them. I noticed the cockpit photo listed some Tamiya colors, which I looked at yesterday, but didn't buy yet.
So, if I use the Testors Olive Drab and Neutral Gray, technically the model will be correct, though some will be quick to point out their opinions that I erred and the color is not perfect.
I'll send pics of the model at various stages, but first I am gonna finish the 1/72 Razorback I have.
Bought decal paper and intend on putting together all the stuff I need, such as the "Lucky" on the cowling, the correct plane serial number, etc. My airbrush skills are not what they used to be after such a long time away from the hobby (15 years since I built ANY type) so doing the stuff freehand is not really feasible.