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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Ecke-109- on January 05, 2003, 07:11:19 AM
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What is the reason for HTC not bringing out a permanent squelchlist?
Why isnt it possible to take permanent idiots in a permanent squelchlist??
Some examples?
At certain daytimes about 2dozen of John Wayne's entering the game and spam the chat with political hardliner-talk.
They are talking to each other how big their guns are,and how pretty easy it could be to win wars against china,the musslims,and so on and so on.....
Another example?
At least two times it happens that someone noticed that i am german.They told me how they love the germans because the germans showed the jews the right way in former days!!
Yesterday..knights:160,bishops:160,Rooks:160
I am a gentle guy and i have friends all over the arena.So i dont want to squelch chanel 1.That means to squelch about 320 guys because of about 1 to 3 dozen small-brained gentlemen.
So i ask HTC:what is the reason for not bringing out a squelchlist?
Why does HTC force guys who just want to have fun to squelch idiots day by day and number by number?
Ecke
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Yeah and to top it all, some players have moronic names like 457890247 etc. which are a real pain to copy for squelch..
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I must agree. Perma-squelch is FAR overdue. If the game can remember what my ammo/fuel load was, it should be able to remember who was squelched as well.
Some guys out there (refraining from names) Never seem to have ANYTHING good to say, they play 22 hours a day, & never shut up the whole time they fly. Grantd this makes them easy to kill, but still annoying.
Seems easy enuff to do, & i dont see any downside to it. There seems to be plenty of people who think its a good idea.
Anton
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Yes! This is DEFINATELY the way to get it done! Demand it!
Yeah right...
:D
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Mark you may have missed the direction of the post. I doubt that he expects HTC to follow his demand, but rather see how many people agree, that the number of "perma-squelch" poster children grows daily. And the fact that squelching all CH1 is less than desirable because of the GOOD talk that can be missed, (i.e. wtg, GK, nice shot, great merge, etc., etc.)
Yer right maybe a more gentle approach might not fetch a flame so fast ( there does seem to ba a LARGE number of "flamers" here :rolleyes: ). But, I look at it more like an attention grabber, than an order.
So btw, you took time to respond but didnt leave a educated vote or opinion. Do you think perma-squelch is good/bad? why?
Anton
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i agree mark...
it is just a kind of demand.
I am tierd of reading endless stupid political discussions on chanel1.
And i am tierd of beeing the 'friend' of someone who thinks all germans are nazis.
Since the monthly fee of AH went down(for that i love HT) good manners and style went down,too, on chanel 1.
I hope HT is cool enough to see this post as what it is.And didnt ignore it of the demanding form.
Its just a kind of frustration.
Greets from Ecke
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Couldn't agree more. I get so tired of the same names yelling in caps all the time.
Why can't I just squelch them? Permanently.
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I should have added my opinion, true. I do agree with a permanent squelch list but have no idea how it should be implemented. It would be nice to have it as a text based item in settings that could be edited easily.
Ecke, I really didn't mean that as a flame, just a funny. Guess I was the only one to see the humor in it. My Bad. I do beleive that the title of a post and the way it is presented makes a very big difference on how it is received, that is why I posted what I did.
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Originally posted by Ecke-109-
What is the reason for HTC not bringing out a permanent squelchlist?
Why isnt it possible to take permanent idiots in a permanent squelchlist??
Some examples?
At certain daytimes about 2dozen of John Wayne's entering the game and spam the chat with political hardliner-talk.
They are talking to each other how big their guns are,and how pretty easy it could be to win wars against china,the musslims,and so on and so on.....
Another example?
At least two times it happens that someone noticed that i am german.They told me how they love the germans because the germans showed the jews the right way in former days!!
Yesterday..knights:160,bishops:160,Rooks:160
I am a gentle guy and i have friends all over the arena.So i dont want to squelch chanel 1.That means to squelch about 320 guys because of about 1 to 3 dozen small-brained gentlemen.
So i ask HTC:what is the reason for not bringing out a squelchlist?
Why does HTC force guys who just want to have fun to squelch idiots day by day and number by number?
Ecke
I second that! With the immaturity level of some 10 year old kids babbling about all the politics that they know .. I wonder why HTC hasn’t implemented this earlier..
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Ya, HT, do something!!!
I suggest $49.95/mo:D
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Guess I'll throw my vote in here, permanent squelch list is something I've hoped for for quite some time. Would also be nice if the squelchee recieved a message stating he had been squelched but I'm not a proponent of them being told by who as in WBs.
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Originally posted by aztec
Guess I'll throw my vote in here, permanent squelch list is something I've hoped for for quite some time. Would also be nice if the squelchee recieved a message stating he had been squelched but I'm not a proponent of them being told by who as in WBs.
as long as it can be like the /.showjoin option where it'll show in the buffer and not be a box... too many "griefers" would just use this to spam popups.
funny, tho, how you're advocating "shame" methodology but you're not willing to "stand up and be counted" when doing so.
besides, HT has pretty much said this is a non-issue/non-starter/non-option/big-dead-horse to him and that he prefers to handle things otehr ways.
personally, i'm all for permasquelch, altho' unlike many, i'm also perfectly capable of just mentally filtering out things and never even use /.squelch anyway.
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Would love to see this, and I honestly don't understand why Hitech sees this as a non-issue, if Shane is correct. It's something that a substantial body of players want, it will improve the experience for many without affecting the people who are squelched. I'm not quite sure what other measures for "handling" this Hitech (as represented by Shane) is referring to, but whatever they are I don't see them working.
My preferred option would be an add-on to the roster. You pull up the roster, there's a little checkbox by a person's name, you check it, and they disappear from your life. I don't think there's any need to send them a message or whatever; that just gives them more of the attention they are usually craving.
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.squelch shane...there, now i'm counted ;)
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Originally posted by aztec
.squelch shane...there, now i'm counted ;)
pssssttt ignore user would be more appropriate for here.
what is it with so many clueless seals these days?
;)
and taiaha, it's my understanding that HTC finds it preferable to simply not accept business from those (t)he(y) deem truly unworthy.
personally i find this, with the ever-growing size of the player base, to be quite labor intensive for only a few people to monitor, handle (and there *are* coverage times when a HTC appointed "monitor" might not simply be available to provide fly on the wall coverage.) not to mention related vox issues, both private and range...
it's HTC's call, who knows, perhaps he may eventually revisit and reconsider the issues.
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Look at all the Dweebs!!!
IMO: Ask politely for an option… never demand. Remember the Golden Rule.
This … “I’ll shove it in your face HTC!! I pay my 50 cents each day!! I demand respect!! Hear ME!!!” ...tactic is low-life dweeb.
Have some respect for yourself and others!
The Golden Rule! It works better than the lazy-ass, sloppy with no self respect option that loud mouths are fond of.
Respectfully yours,
Ozark
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Not a bad idea! A permanent squelch list maybe an easier way to squelch people from the text window and top it all off with higher subscription rates for those that would like to pay it. Im for leaving the rates where they are. It adds more of a true ww2 environment since there were so many dweebs flying in that war but since its a game and Im here to have fun I dont want to see them cuss at me after I kill them or tell me how lame that rope was. You want to pay more go ahead and if the rates go up I wont leave but a lot of fun will be lost.
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100% with perma squelch :)
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BTW: HTC, Please add a manual squelch. Maybe an option that we update each tour. Thank you.
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I have read htcs little comments on this, and I think they are being silly. There is nooooo good reason not to remember who you are squelching. Maybe they could even monitor it. When shane ends up on every active members perma squelch list maybe they will send him a pizza, and free trip to the tanning salon.
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It tends to get a bit much on occasion. A perma-squelch option would probably be a good thing. I enjoy channel 1 simply for the
good fight banter.
A from anyone to anybody tells me there are some gentlemen out there giving a salute' for a good fight, which is the way it should be. Good fights and salute's. That's the game people.
That, and if you cut out all the BS that flows....
"nopoop landed 5 kills in a F4U-1D of the ** Blue Knights **" stays up there quite a bit longer..
THAT gives the balloon drop and the music the time to play..:D
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Originally posted by ergRTC
When shane ends up on every active members perma squelch list maybe they will send him a pizza, and free trip to the tanning salon.
and when I don't, maybe you'll realize the best way to shut me up might be to actually learn how to use ACM isntead of relying on slobberdonkey tactics.
:)
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But then I couldn't razz you about flying the sissyfire on the infrequent times I play. :p
Originally posted by Joc
100% with perma squelch :)
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Sounds like you had an unfriendly encounter with ROTC.
Ack-Ack
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Originally posted by anton
Do you think perma-squelch is good/bad? why?
Anton
How we feel is kind of a mute point because HiTech has said over and over again that he's not going to add perma-squelch to the game. I think he said it was because it's not a true solution to the problem. Just because you might not hear the guy anymore it doesn't stop the guy from continueing to act like an ass.
Ack-Ack
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Could this be done..
Make a psudo-squad that each person was the 'CO' of.
The 'Squelch Squad' and you, the 'CO' could 'invite' members, the people you want to squelch. This is completely on your end, or FE I guess, and nothing goes out to your 'squelch squad members'. The only thing being in this 'squad' means is that their radio priveledges are banned, so you do not hear them.
[ Gee there I go again ... having an idea.
Gota sit down and rest awhile... my brain hurts. ]
fuzeman
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As long as EVERYONE has the option to permanatley squelch said ass- wheres the problem?
If a tree falls in the forest & no one is around to hear it------
If you dont hear the sound- Is it noise?
So far, I have heard several good reasons for it. Still waiting for 1 good reason against it. Confused about how/why some other topics made it into this thread, but no tellin whats up with THAT.
As for what HiTech may or may not have said on topic- I have no idea, But its time to talk it over again...... Id like to hear some good reason/s why its not a good idea. "because hitech said" isnt enuff.
I dont think it needs to be anymore complicated than say..
/.permsquelch anton
simple,easy,effective,permanant
Anton
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I have noticed the inane political talk getting worse & the my country is better than your country, so there :p is becoming really annoying. because I dont like to squelch CH1 for the same reasons as most of you, I have found that if I start quoting monty python or some other totally ridiculous banter , others tend to join in & drown out the soap box despots.
Sadly, the lets bomb half the world & make them do what we say because we are the mightiest mentality reminds me of what happened 60 years ago. & we all know how that turned out.
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
How we feel is kind of a mute point because HiTech has said over and over again that he's not going to add perma-squelch to the game. I think he said it was because it's not a true solution to the problem. Just because you might not hear the guy anymore it doesn't stop the guy from continueing to act like an ass.
But a perma squelch list would be a better solution than to squelch the whole channel 1.
I'm 100% for perma squelch. There are just to many idiots arround here.
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I would like to see a better solution than what is currently available.
Right now my best bet is to simply squelch channel 1 the moment I log into the MA. I went so far as to program a button on my joystick to squelch channel 1 just to save me the effort.
I'd like the have channel 1 to and chat about a good fight with my recent opponent, but with channel 1 co-opted by the virtual Napoleons I find it best for my fun to simply squelch the whole thing.:(
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.permasquelch tardlet
Adds "tardlet" to a file called squelch.txt in your AH directory.
Everybody in that file gets automatically squelched when you log in.
If you want to remove them you just edit the file. :)
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Originally posted by funkedup
.permasquelch tardlet
Adds "tardlet" to a file called squelch.txt in your AH directory.
Everybody in that file gets automatically squelched when you log in.
If you want to remove them you just edit the file. :)
I think what you guys are missing is the fact that you know who to squelch already, a new player sees all and his first impression shouldn't be of an arena where players would think it's OK to act poorly because "you can always just squelch me".
It's not the solution but a band-aid to make your AH experience more fun and at the same time ignoring the real problem.
That is what I understand HTC's position to be regarding a perm squelch.
Sounds like a tough problem to fix. Booting people for their Ch1 ramblings seems like it could get ugly w/o some firm guidlines or ROC to follow.
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MrLars,
Yes, that is quite evident.
However in many cases it has simply led to players squelching all of channel 1 as soon as they log in.
Because the ".squelch 1" function is there we already silence the entire annoying thing, removing it from our screens, but not from the screens of new players. By including this function HTC has already done that damage.
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Go Go Go Ecke !!! :D
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Saw (currently on leave)
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Squelch em.Squelch em all It would be a good thing to have a perma squelch.Why miss the better half of channel 1 or whatever channel thats being abused,when it would probebly be fairly simple to fix. HT is this more trouble than its worth to adjust?
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.squelch saw ;)
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Can't this currently be accomplished with a macro?
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Does HT realy expect that players with good manners use their spare time to try to educate people with a low-level mind?
Most people want to have fun in the game and they dont want to do what someones parents and social environment should have done long time ago.
I noticed by myself that ,few month ago,Yankee banned an impolite guy from the game.And she didnt try to educate him before. Just one warning and BOOM.
Also in BBS it happens from time to time that someone has been banned.
Why does HTC dont take the time to educate them?
Ecke
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After last night in the MA I find that I must way in on this topic, I spend most of the time just following this board but last night's activtiy by one individual has prompted me to post:mad: A certain individual Not to be Named J B 7 9 is driving the hole arena nuts, this country jumping, squad hopping little Flame magnet is making AH life much less enjoyable that it should be, I can squelch ch 1 OK, but since this dweeb master has moved to ROOKs now I have to squelch country freq as well ? PLEASE bring Perma- squelch and to AH and help bring Harmonious combat to the MA
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alternatives (compromises for hitech):
(1) Rather than a "perma-squelch" a persistent squelch of some interval (days/hours/whatever).
(2) A dot command or some such to send a or message "X" to your last kill or killer regardless of channel 1 squelch status - without having to go to trouble of typing pilot name (which is difficult in battle)
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rather than a perma squelch why dont they just make it so YOU can squelch the morons who you dont want to listen to and still keep channel 1 up
.squelch retard
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Originally posted by vorticon
rather than a perma squelch why dont they just make it so YOU can squelch the morons who you dont want to listen to and still keep channel 1 up
.squelch retard
It is already this way. The problem is you have to retype the commands every session, and you are only allowed to squelch just so many.
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If you have an empty slot on a joy stick, or a throttle you may wish to add a squelch macro and edit it as jerks appear. This worked well for AW. I don't have a TM throttle anymore (old one finally died after 10 years of service
) But once I get another I will make another macro just for squelch.
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I would have to agree on the squelch list!
It drives me nuts to hear all these guys yapping all the time about how everyone should fly their way the whole while taking up the all the time on the txt buffer or voice!
It's bad enough when I can't give a check 6 verbally but when someone is talking I can't hear any damage I might be taking.
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I think I have a pretty good idea why HTC is resisting the prema squelch, but it is reaching a point where something will have to be done, IMO.
Perhaps, if X percent of those online in an arena (30%? 50%?)squelch an individual then the transcrips get logged and sent to HTC and the individual(s) gets muted until HTC can decide where to go from there. You could even start looking at a person's squelch history, but with human supervision over the process. Penalties could include a week of ch1 muting, a month, suspensions, banning -- whatever was appropriate.
Perhaps the solution is more online moderators but a clearly established code of conduct and maybe even some limits as to what you can discuss on channel one. There are some games that ban political, religious and other sensitive topics.
Whatever the solution, immature idiots can present a bad public face for the game.
Charon
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Failure to have a permanent squelch list means that every time the majority of reasonably well-behaved folks log on, if they don't want to hear particular idiots rant, they all have to squelch those idiots one by one. Which is a case of the good having to put themselves out whilst the bad are simply just allowed to get on with it, which is not a very good state of affairs at all.
A permanent squelch list makes a great deal of sense, and I for one cannot see any negative side to it whatsoever. I also like the idea that perhaps if more than some number/percentage of account holders squelch an individual that perhaps this automatically flags to HTC that there may be a problem here (whether it be the person being squelched mouthing off or others mischieviously squelching them to try to get the target punished for no good reason).
I do NOT think there is much merit in having a squelch that lasts a fixed amount of time - that just means that every now and then you have to squelch folk, and still puts the onus on the good people, rather than on the idiots to behave if they want to talk to others.
Just as a thought, if some kind of intervention based on amount of squelching against an ID due to proven bad behaviour by that individual is put in place, maybe part of the punishment could be restricting the range of planes and vehicles they can use for a while. Start off with no perked vehicles, then if bad behaviour continues, whittle the options down until all that's left to 'em is PT boats, M3's and C47s (if they aren't kicked out long before it gets to that!). Heck if they dont mind continuing to pay the full sub whilst so limited, I don't mind them doing so either, so long as I don't have to hear/read 'em prattle.
Also, if permanent squelch is enabled, perhaps there could be two "MA's" - one with perma-squelch enabled, and one without. Be interesting to see how many, and who, ends up where.
Esme
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Last week, I was fortunate to have a few days off work, and was able to fly AH during peak US hours.
I was astonished at the amount of disgusting talk on the main channel. The text buffer was moving so fast that you could harly read a thing, and could not communicate properly as required.
I started to squelch the scum bags who were typing away their filth. I had to take out about 8 players... then the text buffer slowed to readable levels.
With 500 players on line, this needs to be taken seriously.
I dont want to read racial/religious/stupid politics/opinion, spamming up the communication channels.
I dont mind AH trash talk ie "come get some" "you Bish will die d00dz!" . But the scuff I was reading had nothing to do with AH or AH player friend talk....it was BAD talk.
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Originally posted by Karnak
MrLars,
Yes, that is quite evident.
However in many cases it has simply led to players squelching all of channel 1 as soon as they log in.
Because the ".squelch 1" function is there we already silence the entire annoying thing, removing it from our screens, but not from the screens of new players. By including this function HTC has already done that damage.
Bingo. I will say hi sometimes on ch1 but usually I squelch it as soon as I enter the MA.
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Originally posted by brendo
Last week, I was fortunate to have a few days off work, and was able to fly AH during peak US hours.
I was astonished at the amount of disgusting talk on the main channel. The text buffer was moving so fast that you could harly read a thing, and could not communicate properly as required.
I started to squelch the scum bags who were typing away their filth. I had to take out about 8 players... then the text buffer slowed to readable levels.
With 500 players on line, this needs to be taken seriously.
I dont want to read racial/religious/stupid politics/opinion, spamming up the communication channels.
I dont mind AH trash talk ie "come get some" "you Bish will die d00dz!" . But the scuff I was reading had nothing to do with AH or AH player friend talk....it was BAD talk.
double, triple and quadruple BINGO!!
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Yes, I would agree, Brendo hit the nail on the head.
Several great reasons for---
Still waiting for a single good reason against---
Anton
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would love to see a permenate squelch list
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4 days later, still not a single intelligent or even noteworthy reason against it yet. Still waiting for even just 1 solid reason against.
Anton
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Maybe someday I'll be able to look at the text buffer and see game related info sitting in the text buffer for more than half a second at a time.
Once I've squelched a bunch of people, that is.
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perhaps HT could just keep TRACK of who's being squelch most..kinda like that neat lil contest we just had--except the 10 MOST-squelched would cough up extra 15 bucks each month--failing that..how-about squelching messages with key-words? like...ohhh...DWEEB...HO..... GANGERS.....?
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I posted a similar thread in the feedback forum but it hasnt gotten any action there. If this is somthing you really want, I have made "can we please have" a very pleasnt request for an option to rid AH airways of relentless unwanted banter.
I think HiTech seems to pay a lil more attention to that board but I may be mistaken. However I was disappointed to still not see an official word of any kind on this thread.
So if it is posted & responded to in the feedback forum, I dont see anyway they couild ignore it. It is very apparent that a great MANY feel strongly about this. We would like a response.
Anton
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So does the .squelch sour command work on the server side or the client side? If it is the client side, HTC would have no visibility as to who was being squelched.
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Originally posted by TheflyingElk
After last night in the MA I find that I must way in on this topic, I spend most of the time just following this board but last night's activtiy by one individual has prompted me to post:mad: A certain individual Not to be Named J B 7 9 is driving the hole arena nuts, this country jumping, squad hopping little Flame magnet is making AH life much less enjoyable that it should be, I can squelch ch 1 OK, but since this dweeb master has moved to ROOKs now I have to squelch country freq as well ? PLEASE bring Perma- squelch and to AH and help bring Harmonious combat to the MA
JB79 was in a mission the other day organized, and commanded by HOOKER. Hooker runs very good, organized, and affective missions. IN steps JB79. First thing he does is start in on Hooker about the plane set. Then he dosn't like the target, then to top it off he starts in on the guys that stay in the mission with A-typical "You guys are so GAY!" etc. etc. etc yada yada pre-teen B.S.
Needless to say JB79 is a prime example of the need for such a list in my book.
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I usually bust-balls in good fun. Some take it worse than others, human nature.
mrsids1 hit the nail on the head with names like 457890247, what makes it worse it constant posting of gunning for someone. IMO, if your sole purpose is to gun, leave the game. Your 50 requests to be a gunner in 5 minutes will NOT be missed.
HOOKER?!! Ha, accuses everyone of stickstirring, even my Squad CO Melkor of it. I remember he was bragging about hitting a base on his own, little did he realize I had already been hitting his country's bases on my own too. I let my bombs and rockets do the talking unlike him.
Karaya2
Oh yeah, bring on the permasquelch.
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Lets get that squelch list. First thing I do is
squelch channel 1 and 6 don't need all of those host messages either.
DarkHawk
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HTC---- Please feel free to respond to your paying customers at any time here.................
Anton