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Title: FJ-2(F-86) vrs F6F dogfight
Post by: F4UDOA on January 08, 2003, 08:11:51 PM

Believe it.

(http://www.chinalakealumni.org/IMAGES/1954/GIMLET_FJ-2_F6F_dogfight.jpg)

Title: FJ-2(F-86) vrs F6F dogfight
Post by: F4UDOA on January 08, 2003, 08:16:07 PM

Here is a sequence of pics of an F6F being shot down by an early sidewinder missle.

(http://www.chinalakealumni.org/IMAGES/1957/F6droneshot_1.jpg)

(http://www.chinalakealumni.org/IMAGES/1957/F6droneshot_2.jpg)

(http://www.chinalakealumni.org/IMAGES/1957/F6droneshot_3.jpg)

(http://www.chinalakealumni.org/IMAGES/1957/F6F-5K_drone_sidewinder-hit.jpg)

Title: FJ-2(F-86) vrs F6F dogfight
Post by: frank3 on January 09, 2003, 03:50:58 AM

why would Americans shoot at their own planes??? :eek:  and why at an F6F??? it's a beuatiful plane!!!!!
:mad:

Title: FJ-2(F-86) vrs F6F dogfight
Post by: hogenbor on January 09, 2003, 06:11:12 AM

Many surplus aircraft were (and still are) converted to target drones, most likely so with the F6F being strick by the Sidewinder.

As far as the dogfight is concerned, maybe a mock battle between two US fighters? The RAF tried their last Spits against a BAC Lightning once, in case the latter one had to fight P-51's flown by some belligerent nation (can't remember exactly).

Title: FJ-2(F-86) vrs F6F dogfight
Post by: udet on January 09, 2003, 11:10:34 AM

what a shame, what a shame...

Title: FJ-2(F-86) vrs F6F dogfight
Post by: maxtor on January 09, 2003, 12:05:55 PM

Quote

Originally posted by hogenbor
Many surplus aircraft were (and still are) converted to target drones, most likely so with the F6F being strick by the Sidewinder.

Or the guy in the wingless wonder was still looking for ways to tempt fate?

Title: FJ-2(F-86) vrs F6F dogfight
Post by: Furious on January 09, 2003, 12:33:16 PM

...take note, that is how you get Mathman.

Title: FJ-2(F-86) vrs F6F dogfight
Post by: -ammo- on January 09, 2003, 04:43:29 PM

I went on a TDY to Tyndall AFB one year to support an excerecuise called COMBAT ARCHER. The lucky pilots of the attending units get to actually fire off live ordinance at remote controlled  drones. The drones were either F-4 phantoms, delta darts, or some other funky little recoverable drone (sometimes its recoverable).  It was pretty neat to watch those phantoms take off without a pilot:)

Title: FJ-2(F-86) vrs F6F dogfight
Post by: Red Tail 444 on January 09, 2003, 05:13:53 PM

LOL....looks about right.

Too bad it wasn't a Spit or La-7 they were flaming---desktop material, fer sure :)

Gainsie

Title: FJ-2(F-86) vrs F6F dogfight
Post by: Angus on January 09, 2003, 09:31:33 PM

How sad.
If only they'd known, that just some years later, they'd be prepared to spend a million dollars for digging up an old plane like this, crushed 200 feet inside a glacire. Or at the bottom at the ocean for that sake.
Wonder what a flyable F6F is worth today. Must be quite a sum

Title: FJ-2(F-86) vrs F6F dogfight
Post by: whgates3 on January 09, 2003, 11:24:15 PM

...but if they'd preserved the planes, they'd be commonplace - worthless...brits dumped corsairs into the sea@war's end to avoid paying for them (lend-lease says you only pay if you keep it after the war)

Title: FJ-2(F-86) vrs F6F dogfight
Post by: H. Godwineson on January 10, 2003, 02:59:34 PM

whGates,

Our own government did the same thing.  My dad was on Okinawa when the war ended and he tells of seeing crates of ammunition, jeeps, aircraft, u-name-it, being dumped into the ocean or bull-dozed into heaps so that the military wouldn't have to go to the trouble of shipping it all home.

Shuckins

Title: Those pics
Post by: joeblogs on January 10, 2003, 03:20:24 PM

Actualy that looks a lot like every time I take an F6 into a dog fight...

-Blogs

Title: FJ-2(F-86) vrs F6F dogfight
Post by: Sikboy on January 10, 2003, 03:34:47 PM

It's kind of Ironic...

I lived in China Lake as a kid (and again in my mid 20s) and they were still using sidewinders (not to mention the newer aims) to knock down drones. Only they've long since used up all th F6Fs. When I was out there in the mid 80's, they were shooting down....





you guessed it, F-86s ;)

-Sik

Title: FJ-2(F-86) vrs F6F dogfight
Post by: Red Tail 444 on January 10, 2003, 04:28:40 PM

Quote

Originally posted by Angus
How sad...Wonder what a flyable F6F is worth today. Must be quite a sum

An operational P51D will run you about 1.3M,
An Operational F4U-4 will come at about 2.7M

I imagine Hellcats are in the ballpark, but a bit more than the ponies. Less are around, IMO

Primarily fuel and materials, less corsair parts to go around, ironically, although it was in service far longer.

Anyone got any spare change?