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Title: No new planes in the next version, please!
Post by: AKcurly on January 10, 2003, 01:14:00 AM
Instead, how about tracking down some of the bugs/features that frustrate so many of us?

1.  Field captures occurring when the town is mostly up.  I've seen this at least a half-dozen times.

2.  Tanks are tough critters.  Trees, rocks and buildings shouldn't damage tanks.

3.  The new net smoothing code has a habit of smoothing a guy out of existence!  You can be d300 on a guy and he'll just disappear.  Frequently, in a few seconds, he'll reappear, albeit off to the side or perhaps he's even split S and then he's behind you.

4.  PT boats die when touching the shoreline.  Maybe this makes sense if you're going 40mph, but at an idle?

5.  We really need some new maps.

6.  The cockpits on many of the planes are really bad.  The 190A5 comes to mind.  I imagine there are other planes equally in need of updated cockpits.

I would glad give up all new planes and upcoming features to AH for an entire year if you would resolve the above issues.

curly
Title: No new planes in the next version, please!
Post by: DRILL on January 10, 2003, 01:35:38 AM
WHAT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NO NEW PLANES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

         just how do you expect to me to shoot you dn ???
         
            hmmmmmmmmmmmmm???????? i got to find 1 so i can
             do just that !!....seems i can't do it very well with the
             ones we got >>>>> :):D
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Post by: Duedel on January 10, 2003, 02:00:30 AM
Curly even when i agree with the mentioned bug fixes / improvements i totally disagree with ur "No new planes" statement cause i love new planes / vehicles. It the most important part of AH.
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Post by: Xjazz on January 10, 2003, 02:02:44 AM
Yeah, what ever...

Brewster to the AH!

:)
Title: No new planes in the next version, please!
Post by: AKcurly on January 10, 2003, 02:36:41 AM
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Originally posted by Duedel
Curly even when i agree with the mentioned bug fixes / improvements i totally disagree with ur "No new planes" statement cause i love new planes / vehicles. It the most important part of AH.


Sure Duedel, I like new stuff too.  Let me ask you this. :)  If you had to choose between 1) keeping the current plane set and 3 new maps and 2) keeping the same maps, but adding 2-3 new planes, which would you choose?

I remember posting a plaintive whine like this 6 or 8 months ago.  And SuperFly answered by saying: "Why choose one or the other when you can have both?"  Well, the only "new" map we have is AKDesert and the bugs/features are still there (buggy smoothing code is new).

We still have the bug in the Baltic map [northeast and southeast HQs both have a VH which spawns to HQ while the northwest HQ has a vehicle hangar with a PT boat spawn point to it -- check the color of the spawn point]

Oh, I forgot to mention the HQ bug.  God help you if you lose less than 100% of HQ.  You can restore your city and HQ to 100%, but it will NOT come back up.  OTOH, if you lose 100% of HQ, you can quickly restore HQ.

curly
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Post by: bigsky on January 10, 2003, 02:41:14 AM
well, speaking from the armor crewman point of view. rocks and stumps are a problem. they dont hurt the tank. but they hurt your teeth and face. ive knocked over trees but at very slow speed. and at great expence to the u.s. tax payer as far as manuver damage goes. the question of will a tank run over something is- how much does it weight?(gross weight of tank or other APC) and how fast is it moving?and whats the torqe at  that speed (whatever the speed/ torqe ratio)all vehicles have a horsepower-torqe ratio. if you (very)slowly bump a tree, then go full power, it will go down. but if you are going 45mph and hit a tree it will hurt and not only the tree trust me on that.
                               bigsky 367th fg "dynamite gang"
Title: No new planes in the next version, please!
Post by: Duedel on January 10, 2003, 05:07:47 AM
I agree Curly. Maps and bug fixes are on top. But i really think HTC has enough employees to fullfill both (to add new planes/ new maps) so ... I'm asking me (or HTC) why we dont have new maps? It must be that to make a big map needs an awefull amount of time!
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Post by: Swoop on January 10, 2003, 05:19:34 AM
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Originally posted by Duedel
But i really think HTC has enough employees to fullfill both  


So why havn't they then?

(http://image1ex.villagephotos.com/extern/626629.jpg)
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Post by: Hajo on January 10, 2003, 06:10:19 AM
Curly I agree.  Temporarily stealth aircraft a problem.  I would also enjoy seeing new maps.

Eye candy is great, and updating all cockpit art would be super.

The aircraft will come......how many can you fly at one time anyway?
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Post by: maxtor on January 10, 2003, 08:02:38 AM
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Originally posted by AKcurly
Sure Duedel, I like new stuff too.  Let me ask you this. :)  If you had to choose


If AH is like other games, we wouldn't have to chose - these things do not all require time of the same person.
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Post by: muckmaw on January 10, 2003, 08:04:16 AM
Agree, Curly.

More maps topping my list.

Fix the terrain too. Make some changes. Hell, if Amateurs can do it in the CT...(NO offence), why can't HTC put together at least 2 new maps?

The game is great as it is, but why not make it clean and smooth before adding more vehicles?

I love new A/C, but this is more important to me.

We in the AH community are spoiled. Think about it. How often do/did other on line fligth sims roll out new planes? Once a year? Once in 3 years? NEVER?

Still, if we went this route, what would superfly do?
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Post by: gofaster on January 10, 2003, 08:08:24 AM
Scraping the side of the vehicle hangar with my Panzer shouldn't cause me to blow up.  Throw a tread, yes, blow up, no.

Bring the M7 Priest and M4 Sherman Calliope to Aces High!
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Post by: Zippatuh on January 10, 2003, 08:13:35 AM
Yes, yes, new maps!  That is worth a lot more than adding new aircraft.

Of course I don’t fly but a handful of rides now anyway but I do like to shoot at pretty new targets but weighing them both, I’ll take new terrain :D.
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Post by: Ripsnort on January 10, 2003, 08:45:07 AM
Ditto Curlys post, just read the Gameplay forum posts from the last year to see he's not alone in these requests.
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Post by: hblair on January 10, 2003, 08:54:50 AM
I agree with the Curly even though he's an OU fan.
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Post by: BUG_EAF322 on January 10, 2003, 09:02:46 AM
Time for a new gv ?
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Post by: Wlfgng on January 10, 2003, 09:16:37 AM
I'm with Curly on this one and that almost looks like an episode of Hogan's hero's.
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Post by: SunKing on January 10, 2003, 09:22:25 AM
Sounds like you're asking for a patch. Most of us don't consider a patch a new version without new material included..
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Post by: LePaul on January 10, 2003, 09:24:43 AM
Wel Curly...I think your heart is in the right place but historically, HTC has been able to fix things and offer new planes.

There are a lot of things that need addressing...several of the things you mentioned are great ideas...fixing the GV damage, updated cockpits, etc.

I'd also like to see crater damage.  Tigers, planes, etc rolling through a 3600 pound crater without so much and bouncing around is pretty silly.

But I'm also hoping for some new maps  :) [Optimism mode ON]
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Post by: Joc on January 10, 2003, 09:39:55 AM
New maps would be nice :)
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Post by: CptTrips on January 10, 2003, 09:39:59 AM
whiner.






:cool:
Wab
Title: No new planes in the next version, please!
Post by: Hornet on January 10, 2003, 10:44:49 AM
I think this last version was the best release we've had in awhile because it focused on improving gameplay. The perk modifer and tightened netcode are worth far more to me than new planes. Another patch with HiTech focusing on stomping bugs and improving gameplay with new maps/suicide control/squelch list/vox improvements etc. would be great.

In the interim they can turn Nate and Superfly loose on revamping cockpits of some of the older planes. They did an outstanding job on the Mustang.
Title: Re: No new planes in the next version, please!
Post by: jonnyb on January 10, 2003, 12:23:07 PM
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Originally posted by AKcurly
Instead, how about tracking down some of the bugs/features that frustrate so many of us?

1.  Field captures occurring when the town is mostly up.  I've seen this at least a half-dozen times.

2.  Tanks are tough critters.  Trees, rocks and buildings shouldn't damage tanks.

3.  The new net smoothing code has a habit of smoothing a guy out of existence!  You can be d300 on a guy and he'll just disappear.  Frequently, in a few seconds, he'll reappear, albeit off to the side or perhaps he's even split S and then he's behind you.

4.  PT boats die when touching the shoreline.  Maybe this makes sense if you're going 40mph, but at an idle?

5.  We really need some new maps.

6.  The cockpits on many of the planes are really bad.  The 190A5 comes to mind.  I imagine there are other planes equally in need of updated cockpits.

I would glad give up all new planes and upcoming features to AH for an entire year if you would resolve the above issues.

curly


In regards to your second point, I wholeheartedly concur.  I don't understand how I can be in a tiger and get hit with multiple bombs, strafed with all kinds of weaponry, and shot with rockets...and still drive away.  Yet, the second I *BRUSH* up against a tree, my tank flips over and explodes into a 1,000 tiny bits.  On AKDesert, I was driving my tiger along behind a squaddie who was in an M3.  The idea was to take out a vbase.  Well, he drives over this seemingly innocent rock and keeps on going.  I hit the same rock, and I'm back in the tower.  PT boats also fall into this category.  They should not explode when they hit the beach.  They should simply become immobile.

There are certainly some skins/textures that could use a facelift.  Superfly and co. have done a great job with the new planes, and the retro-fitted delta pony looks fabulous.  I'm sure more are on the way.

Disappearing planes has once again reared its ugly head.  I'm sure they are working to resolve the problem.  The net smoothing code may, as you said, smooth some planes right out of existence...

I know a bunch of guys are working on new maps to be submitted as MA maps.  Nuttz is one.  There is another guy...can't remember his name...who has posted some beautiful looking work in the terrain editor general forum.  I'm sure there are more as well.  Once they pass the "Hitech approval test", they'll be in rotation.
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Post by: vorticon on January 10, 2003, 01:11:45 PM
hmm it would be really nice to have a slightly more stable game...as long as we got 1 or 2 nwe planes with it...it isnt really a next "version" unless theres new planes or gv's or boats (GOD I HATE PT'S) or feature included with it...then its just a patch...but if they spent 5 or 6 months developing a "patch" to fix all these problems surely natedog and super fly could make 1 or 2 new planes or improve some of the oldest models
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Post by: Nifty on January 10, 2003, 01:28:11 PM
I agree.  Let Nate and Superfly update the models for the planes we've already got and the programmers can squash bugs instead of writing flight models for new planes.  :)

tho I still want a Ki-84, G4M, and He111 in the next release!  :)

oh, and a P-61 to have Rip support my opinions!
Title: Re: No new planes in the next version, please!
Post by: X2Lee on January 10, 2003, 03:18:12 PM
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Originally posted by AKcurly
Instead, how about tracking down some of the bugs/features that frustrate so many of us?

4.  PT boats die when touching the shoreline.  Maybe this makes sense if you're going 40mph, but at an idle?

curly


I HATE this.    :mad: :mad: :cool:
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Post by: AKIron on January 10, 2003, 03:23:14 PM
damn, Wabbit beat me to it. ;)
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Post by: wetrat on January 10, 2003, 03:33:09 PM
The Fw A5 and 109 G10 REALLY need a new cockpit. There are a few other Fw A# versions I'd like to see, but I'm sure the allied rides take priority.
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Post by: AKS\/\/ulfe on January 10, 2003, 03:43:46 PM
There are a few other Fw A# versions I'd like to see, but I'm sure the allied rides take priority.

That didn't take long...

(All 190s and 109s are in need of new cockpit art... not just the dweeby G10)
-SW
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Post by: 2stony on January 10, 2003, 03:45:52 PM
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oh, and a P-61 to have Rip support my opinions!


     I totally agree with this plane.  It had four 20mm underneath and four 50cal. on top in a turret. A lot of them had the 50cal. removed because the flash from the barrels would blind the pilot. Still, could you imagine the firepower? There wouldn't be a plane in the arena that could stand even a short burst.
     As for new maps, I would like to see a permanent winter map that is circulated( add winter scemes to the planes, etc.).

Also add these:

Manned 88s at fields
B-25 or A-26(or both)
M5A1 Stewart
T-34/85
Sea Fury
B-24
Raiden


Stony

:D
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Post by: TheFatz on January 10, 2003, 03:55:47 PM
Fix's please more fix's.   No $100 to the top player, how about $100 days wage to a new bug squasher hire at HTC?
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Post by: CptTrips on January 10, 2003, 04:01:12 PM
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how about $100 days wage to a new bug squasher hire at HTC?


I thought you quit?

Anyway, for a good programmer, $100 would barely pay until about lunch time. :cool:

Wab
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Post by: WldThing on January 10, 2003, 04:33:24 PM
I agree with Curly.
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Post by: BigGun on January 10, 2003, 06:01:09 PM
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Originally posted by wetrat
The Fw A5 and 109 G10 REALLY need a new cockpit. There are a few other Fw A# versions I'd like to see, but I'm sure the allied rides take priority.


Oh of coarse..how could we forget the LW are so discriminated against. :rolleyes:
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Post by: wetrat on January 10, 2003, 07:25:31 PM
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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe

That didn't take long...

(All 190s and 109s are in need of new cockpit art... not just the dweeby G10)
-SW


G10 dweeby? and the dora isn't? That's new. It takes a "good stick" to do anything useful in a G10 and stay alive while doing it. ANYONE can do well in a dora if they have even a lick of SA. Something not going your way? Run like hell! When my k/d in my best plane (G10) is lower than my dora k/d for 2 tours in a row......
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Post by: wetrat on January 10, 2003, 07:26:42 PM
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Originally posted by TheFatz
Fix's please more fix's.   No $100 to the top player, how about $100 days wage to a new bug squasher hire at HTC?


Hey, no bashing the $100 'til next month when I've got mine :)
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Post by: X2Lee on January 10, 2003, 07:29:18 PM
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Originally posted by wetrat
The Fw A5 and 109 G10 REALLY need a new cockpit. There are a few other Fw A# versions I'd like to see, but I'm sure the allied rides take priority.


yup its a conspiracy  :rolleyes:

dweeb