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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: hazed- on November 14, 2001, 09:11:00 AM
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IM SICK OF HEARING ABOUT IT.
enough is enough, Please AW'ers remember most of the people in AH have not played or even seen AW (myself included) and the endless posts on it and arguements over whether AH or AW was the better sim are becoming utterly DULL.
AW has finished, you are in AH now so discuss AH and suggest what you would like changed by ALL MEANS but PLEASE dont start the F*$kin thread with AW had this or that therefore AH should introduce it.
over the last couple of weeks ive seen an increase in petty arguements, name calling , more my game is better than your game crap, kill stealing, lack of help when you can see friendlies around, 6 calls are even rarer!
The mood on line is changing and for the first time since i rejoined AH im getting annoyed in the MA with frustration from lack of team playing.
Please try to go with the flow of AH now X-AWers. throw in a few more <S> and stop using those handsomehunked alternative languages.The radio looks like an infants school(or is it INFANTZ SKOOLZ :p) playground arguement over a lost football.
:) ok rant over
[ 11-14-2001: Message edited by: hazed- ]
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Hazed, I have to admit to using .squelch quite a lot lately, but to be fair, the AW guys come from an established community of players who are naturally going to continue to relate as a community in their new surroundings. Give them a while to be "assimilated" into AH, and become part of the new community that will evolve to include everyone.
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Originally posted by hazed-:
[QB]IM SICK OF HEARING ABOUT IT.
enough is enough, Please AW'ers remember most of the people in AH have not played or even seen AW (myself included)
Uh, not to start an argument or anything cause I'd never do that but.......I think you are seriously mistaken. A very high percentage of AH players started thier online sim lives in AW. I see folks here everyday that I haven't seen since AWDOS.
One might also note that no one is forced to read a thread they find objectionable or which doesn't interest them.
On the other hand, your post may be a troll rather than based on ignorance. If so , consider me hooked :)
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As a former AW flyer with nearly 3 years in AH, I have to agree that there is a bit to much baggage being carried in.
I don't like this post though because it's just a whine about whining.
People have feelings and posts like this only make bad feelings worse.
hazed, if you want it to stop, then leave it alone.
Viper
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I understand they are a pre established community but AH is MY community and I dont like the way its being changed.I welcome more players but not the full in the face approach that has changed the whole 'feel' of these boards and the game.
Im just asking them to tone down for a while.Guess its a mute request.
p.s i am not trying to annoy anyone, just trying to make them consider those that were already here and to imagine if the shoe was on the other foot.
[ 11-14-2001: Message edited by: hazed- ]
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Heyas Buzzard...welcome to AH! :)
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a.k.a. Ice 13th TAS
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Originally posted by hazed-:
[QB]IM SICK OF HEARING ABOUT IT.
> so discuss AH and suggest what you would like changed by ALL MEANS but PLEASE dont start the F*$kin thread with AW had this or that therefore AH should introduce it.
It's *our* frame of reference. Many ideas will be born outta AW "had this or that". It's only natural.
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The mood on line is changing and for the first time since i rejoined AH im getting annoyed in the MA with frustration from lack of team playing.
Perhaps not every one *wants* to fight the never ending hamster wheel war in the MA.
Don't presume *you* can tell *other* people how to play a game. Many AW types look for 1v1's etc etc.. Personally I *do* like the war game - but I know better than to assume that everyone will play my way.
-W
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Actually, I can't blame the AW guys for feeling like that. I felt the same way when I left Warbirds after 4 years. But, after I was here awhile, I started to identify myself with AH, and realized it's ok to leave your first sim-love behind.
It's just a grieving process, Hazed. Give them time.
We're all AH brothers now, no matter where you originally came from.
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Hazed
The only difference I have noticed is more people in the arena. There has always been the typical infighting in AH. Every online game has it. You can always squelch.
BTW, the people that wrote the AH code are from Air Warrior. If not for AW, Aces High and Warbirds may not have ever started. Like it or not, Air Warrior started it all in 1989. Lets welcome them to this game. Both games have(had) the same amount of trouble makers.
ATC
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I played from 1993 until a few months ago(with a year off the 1st year of gamestorm) myself and I'm sick of it also. AW is dead -- move on and worry about AH. Or at least keep it in the O Club (or better yet, over at BW).
AW was great at one time, and it had a tremendous history, but... IT WASN'T THE SAME GAME BY THE TIME IT DIED! At least for me, and I imagine a lot of people. I understand the sentimentality, I held on way to long, invested too much emotional energy worrying about a game (yes, in the end it is only a game) and payed for something for a year or more past where I should have let go. In the end, all AW offered (at least to me) was sentimentality and history and scenarios. AW is gone, and the sooner you all reach acceptance the better.
Charon
. Many AW types look for 1v1's etc etc..
That's funny, most of those I encountered in the AW MA circa gamestorm/EA were looking to milkrun the strat, gangbang and dogfight B-17s. Man, that was sure different from when I first started playing SVGA DOS on Delphi.
I knew I was in trouble when I first upped in the Gamestorm MA after the year off, and chased a high P-51 through three grids. "Surely, he will drop down and kill me, come on, what's happening?" He reached an undefended field, went to divebomb some meaningless tratget and got killed by ack. The Big Pac had got into full swing, and the game was never the same after they got rid of the central, neutral cities concept.
[ 11-14-2001: Message edited by: Charon ]
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Coming from Fighter Ace I really did not know what to expect. But having flown AH now for a year, this recent influx is hilarious. The squeaking has increased like why does he have control over the CV cuz I wanted to take it out to sea and do practice take off's? You can tell teh veteran pilots from the newbies in here that is for sure. But the childish antics on Chan 1 has increased 10 fold, I normally don't pay attention to it, mainly country, squad, and whatever that purple channel is. But the constant can I join you messages, and check 6's enroute are getting annoying. I don't mind if they apologize but its the lol that piss me off. To each their own, hazed has his comments and I respect them. Flame away, or whatever it is that trips your trigger.
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Originally posted by hazed-:
...but AH is MY community and I dont like the way its being changed.
There's your problem!
It happens to be OUR community, not YOURS alone. ;)
As in every close knit community, when a flood of Refugees walk into the neighborhood, things get disturbed.
Left to good intentions, things get better.
Try to remember that these Folks were loyal to a system that gave them the old boot in the ass.
Some of us saw it coming and moved out knowing our old neighbors would become new neighbors when the time came. Well, the time is here.
I know you don't mean to annoy anyone, and neither do they. Just let them have their say and ignore any posts that contain words you don't like.
No one is forcing you to read their posts are they? ;)
Another thought for consideration:
If we don't take care of our neighbors and this community, then no matter what kind of candy HT throws us, things will not be fun. ;)
Viper
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OK. I am guilty as charged as a former AW geek. I love AH and plan to make it my new home, but please allow me to bring in a few nick nacks and quirks to make it feel a little more homey.
One thing I would like to address is the "stolen kills". The damage model in AW was so much less sophisticated a pilot never knew when he had inflicted serious damage on the nme unless he started smoking. Additionally, if you smoked the bastage you almost always got credit for the kill, no matter who finished him (her). There was also much more emphasis (real or imagined) on killing the bad guys, than on "ME" killing the bad guys. If a countryman swoops in and gets a bead on an opponent you are fighting then so much the better. The nme is dead and you are not. I seem to be rambling here, but I just wanted to say I never kill an opponent to "steal a kill". I will always look for an opponent I have advantage over, or who is threatening a countryman. If we are competing for the same kill then cool, the sucker is more than likely dead. Now get out there and quit yer sniveling.
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Hazed:
Everybody has an opinion, and you have rendered yours. I think you are wrong on many counts but, since you never flew AW, then how could you understand.
AH is also my game now, and anyone else who flies AH can feel a sense of ownership as well. My origins are AW, and the community there was strong; comparisons are inevitable due to the recent migration. The thing is, you nor anyone else gets to tell anyone else how AWers or any other new person should feel and converse about the game.
The name calling didnt start a few weeks ago, on the part of some, there has been a sense of looking down noses on AW. Too bad, there were some good things about AW (except RR :)
But, IMO you are outta line telling folks what they should say or not say. Further, the lack of team play hasn't got anything to do with AW transplants; it was here when I came over months ago, and is a problem. That is a function of the arena and how others choose to play; AW guys didnt do it or bring it over with them.
Take a chill pill pal. Change is inevitable. Help with the change rather than complain and ridicule.
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Tahgut:
I have seen things I dont care for in here same as I did in AW. I learned there as in here, I need to simply avoid situations I dont care for. Part of an AWers transition will be learning a different way of flien and dien.
There are annoying things about the game, and way too verbal guys who complain. Hehe, I personally know of several former AWers who have been here for a while who were notorious whiners at AW and are doing the same in AH.
But, what I've been hearing over ch1 and 2 have been legitimate confusion about what does what and why; eg, "how do I gun on a CV?", or how do I start the engine on a PT boat?" "I keep getting an invalid weapons error message, what do I do?" "I'm getting frustrated now, I tried everything and still get, invalid weapons message".
Patience? Yes, by all means. Why? Because it's the right thing to do. Where else is an FNG gonna get info about how the game works if he/she doesn't ask people who know how?
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This is really simple to understand...allow me.
We have a player, who through his own admission has only played AH, speaking to a large segment of the community, myself included (AWDOS), about something that he has no experience with or foundation from which to speak in the first place.
There....that was not that difficult was it?
Just ignore these sour posts and enjoy yourselves...the evolution of MMPG flight sims has been an enjoyable ride from which I've made many friends and hope to continue making friends as change will most certainly continue as well.
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[ 11-14-2001: Message edited by: Rude ]
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Originally posted by hazed-:
IM SICK OF HEARING ABOUT IT.
most of the people in AH have not played or even seen AW (myself included)
[ 11-14-2001: Message edited by: hazed- ]
Boy, I think your wrong on this. I would venture to say on most any given night, 2/3 of the pilots flying have flown AW at one time or another. Sunday Night out of the 375 pilots flying, I could pick out about half myself. Probably was many more that I didnt recognise.
Perhaps thats nit picking, but I think you should realise the Huge Influx over the past couple of years from AW.
Im Sorry the new guys are upsetting you. The Face of AH is changing rapidly. There will be references of the old days of AW DOS forever. History will always be there, and folks will always refer back to it. Can you imagine flying AH without ever making references back to WWII. Im afraid we all have to go with the flow.
I think talk of AW will reduce alot by the first of the year. Alot of talk will be of the Big Week Scenario. That will become the hot topic probably. Also I noticed the Huge amount of X-AWers flying in it.
Come on guys, This influx is going to be a good thing, believe me.
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Hazed, I find it very necessary to first do a .squelch 1 not because of the new AW players, but simply because the open buffer is just too damn busy these days. I suggest that you might try the same, and it will help you enjoy the game!
More people in the game, more suggestions, more Events, is a GOOD thing for AH, not a bad one!
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Strider,
You are right about channel 1. I am spoiled by the fact that I belong to a squad with roots in AW and a strong presence in AH for at least a year. I came over with trainers waiting for me to ask all the dweeb questions I could think of.
I still want to hear more about the "Stolen Kill" thing. I have been chastized by countrymen for shooting a plane that "was going down" and have heard other complaints about this issue. I say if its manouevering it ain't crashing, and I will shoot it. Too much individualistic crap causes these types of whines. The only problem with me shooting a "crashing" plane is I waste bullets. I would happily award your precious perk points that I stole.
<TGT> Nightmares VMF-898 (retired)
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Originally posted by hazed-:
IM SICK OF HEARING ABOUT IT.
Well, I have been here for some time now due to the fact my squad moved here earlier this year, but I have also been continuing to play in AW at the same time.
In my case, I have had time to get used to AH and it has helped to soften the blow of AW closing, even though I know it will break my heart when AW is finally gone. However, in many cases, people made a conscious break from another sim to come here, which I think is entirely different. It is one thing to come to another game because you want to - quite another if it's a case of having to find another game because the current one is ending.
Just imagine for a minute if AH was the only sim you had ever flown, and you had been playing for several years.... then it suddenly ended, with hardly any warning - how would you feel?
Instead of giving the incoming Air Warriors a hard time, why not be pleased that they picked AH to come to at this sad time, and make them feel welcome? I feel as though I am caught in the middle a bit here, having been here a while, but knowing what it is like for those who are arriving now.
Instead of whining about the countless questions, why not invest a bit of time helping them to find their feet (or their wings! <g> ) and make their integration into this community a little easier? Given a little time and patience, we can all eventually merge into one new community - but it isn't going to happen overnight!
Lets please just end this now and concentrate on working together to form a new, merged community we can all be proud of! :)
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Lets please just end this now and concentrate on working together to form a new, merged community we can all be proud of!
Agreed. Nice response Flossy.
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Uhh... Disagree guys. Hazed's point that most of the people in AH haven't ever played AW is probably right. That doesn't mean that there is a significant percentage of AWDOS veterans or what have you.
Read what Hazed had to say there again. He's not saying "don't be proud of your origins". He's not even saying "don't ever offer criticism".
His point can probably best be rephrased in this way:
people coming from AW right now need to know that the AH community has existed for two years and that it has its own rules, different from AW, WB, FA or any other MMP sim. Many of the conventions are the same, but:
A. Every observation, "It needs to be like AW in these ways", has been made 1000 times before these newbies got here.
B. Just as there is a new flight model to learn, there are new norms of community behavior. Take the time to learn what they are; don't just assume it's AW all over again.
C. For the moment, shut up and fly.
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I'll add to this:
Without doubt, the community is neither monolithic nor static, and the large influx of new players will certainly shape the game in new and exciting ways. I don't have a problem with this.
What I do find disturbing are the arguments,
1) "Well, HT and Pyro came from AirWarrior, so this game is effectively AirWarrior".
Uh no. HT and Pyro have never forgotten their origins, but if they were so content with AirWarrior or WarBirds, AH would not exist. Saying the game has debts to another is different from saying that the game is simply an extension of another.
2) "If you don't like the way channel 1 discussion has gone, you can always squelch." Yeah, and if I don't like the fact that my neighbor keeps me up till 4 AM with drunken parties ending in shootouts, I can always move. Channel 1 (and 2 for that matter) is a shared space, and by the logic that one can always opt out of the community, these channels should be reserved for obscenities only. Maybe we can have HT tie in the pornolizer to the open channels.
Newbies always take some time to get socialized. Right now AH has seen an unprecedented amount of newbies -- something on the order of six or seven hundred by my inexact reckoning -- and these are newbies who fly all the time. We will take some time to absorb the shock.
I'd say the overwhelming majority of "AW Refugees" have figured this out, and it's an honor to fly with them. The others need time, and a hard time doesn't hurt (that much).
You will always be ex-AW pilots. But that doesn't mean you can't take part in AH.
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I agree with Hazed (third time ever? ;)) and Dinger.
Welcome to AH, but leave the AW stuff in the O-club like the WB stuff or WW2OL stuff etc etc etc...
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aIR wARRIER rOOLZ!!!!
-DoK
PS/ :cool:
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Hazed--
Grow up!
What other players choose to talk about is not your concern. You need not pay attention or reply.
Don't like AW? Tough. Enough people here DO like it to make it a worthy conversation topic. You need to become mature enough to ignore things you're uninterested in, rather than whine about it.
J_A_B
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Originally posted by hazed-:
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Im just asking them to tone down for a while.Guess its a mute request.
-SNIP-[ 11-14-2001: Message edited by: hazed- ]
"moot"
Well, some of "us" have been together for the
better part of 9-10 years, in the arenas
of AW and in the broader realm of the community.
We ARE who we ARE and the way we act/inter-act with
each other or others that are ALSO "gud at
FliGhT Simz" isn't going to change much.
Certainly not overnight.
And we too, are not real pleased with the way
OUR game "changed", so you'll not find a
lot of sympathy from us for your "whine",
such as it is.
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Originally posted by DoKtor GonZo:
aIR wARRIER rOOLZ!!!!
-DoK
PS/ :cool:
"RuLZ"
Hiya DoK :)
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Time to drag out another history lesson.
Way back in 92-93 AW SVGA was introduced and the community of AW pilots lamented on the fact that 10,000 new dweebs that would be screwing up the arena. Some left, some stayed and all was right with the world after a while.
95 or so AW went live on AOL and now there were the 10,000,000 dweebs that would be ruining the game. Some left, some stayed and all was good after it settled out.
AH is now having it's version of the 10,000 dweebs showing up. Lots of new targets and egos to integrate into the community. It's part of growing and AH needs to grow to continue to survive. Some will leave because it's not the same game it was when they joined up. Most will stay and help the community to grow and florish.
The difference from the AW 10k dweebs and the AH 10k dweebs is that there is an existing community merging into the AH one. Before there was only assimilation. It will be painful, fun, hilarious, tragic, but most of all interesting. Hang in there, it's gonna be one hella of a ride.
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All we need is a permanent squelch-list.
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What that SB dweeb said.
SOB
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This is a *first* in MMP WW2 Air Combat. Never has a game had to absorb an entire existing community in one big gulp. For the moment AH is getting a drink of water out of a firehose. So lets enjoy the "first" aspect to what we are living through.
Also I'm running into names here that I *immediatly* feel comfortable with because of their AW history.
For example: At the 99 AWCON I got to spend a good deal of time with SB and (though he was there) zero time with Dok. But I feel about the same comfort level speaking with *both* of them because I know who both are and studied what they both did as part of my studying to be a CM in AW. Now that I'm here, I meet these two "fossils" of AW history again and the world comes full circle. But AW will always be a common thread, kinda like Vets of the same war have a kinship.
Originally posted by SB:
The difference from the AW 10k dweebs and the AH 10k dweebs is that there is an existing community *merging* into the AH one. It will be painful, fun, hilarious, tragic, but most of all interesting. Hang in there, it's gonna be one hella of a ride.[/QB]
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I have flown all of them and I'm here in AH because of the people here... Swagger, Rip, Apache etc. etc. ....95% of the people have always been as willing to answer a dumb question as I am willing to ask.... 95% will dive down in the weeds to try to help some newbe who is low with 2 or 3 badguys.... as long as this spirit remains.... so will I.... my hats off to those up to now which have make this "game" a community.....
MD
PS....I miss Torque...
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Bah "Airing the Orchid". Be who you are -- all of you. That's fine, we don't want no clones here, and we value the contribution that the latest wave can bring us. Just remember that we have a history here too independent of AW, and while AW history makes interesting anecdotes here, AH history is essential.
Also, to those of you who think that they latest influx of AW players is huge, well I gave you the numbers: yes, a lot of new players are here. no, they do not even come close to the number of established players.
People coming here and expecting AW as it was "in the good old days" are going to be disappointed, just as those who expect AH to be as it was "in the good old days" will be. The good old days never were as good as they are remembered to be, and they'd be even less so relived, because we all have changed. So, Mr. Orchid, you too will change, even if you don't believe it.
But those looking for the "ideal AW" in AH will be perpetually disappointed. The bulk of the people here have no idea what that is, nor, if they were told, would they want it.
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Actually, back when the SVGA AW release happened, I recall us looking forward to the "10,000 Dweebs Of Light" - thems be gooood eatin'. But this was back in the old days when you could still make jokes about clubbin' baby seals and people realized it was a joke.
Dweeb - the other, other, other white meat.
Dweeb - its what's for dinner.
-DoK
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Soon , very soon , we all will be borg :D
TRUST ME , it will happen .
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I'm with Hazed. Fresh blood will do nothing but good for AH and HTC, but please leave the AW baggage at the door - the initial wave is understandable, but its getting a bit tedious now.
BTW, HT and Pyro used MS-DOS before they used AW -> does that make MS responsible for AH? I've said it once, and I'll say it again, I often have moments of brilliance while I'm taking a dump - but not once have I given the turd credit.
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Originally posted by Vulcan:
I've said it once, and I'll say it again, I often have moments of brilliance while I'm taking a dump - but not once have I given the turd credit.
Spoken like a true ass.
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I am just curious does anyone ever remember the Fighter Ace threads? Hmmm what were the first words out of the Ah crowds mouth? If you remember this then yo wil also remember the slang and constant I am better then you are flight sim crap. Never flew AW, so I cannot judge it but I will say this the influx of childish antics has increased if you don't notice it best take off your blinders.
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I think I may have to start bringing up AW every time I post, just to spite these people.
If you don't care about AW that's fine. But it's pathetic to whine about others caring about it.
Sometimes I think it's a positive thing that more AHers don't read these UBB's. This atmosphere drives people away.
J_A_B
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Dweeb - the other, other, other white meat.
Dweeb - its what's for dinner.
-DoK
Ain't that the truth (for me at least).
I was breakfast, lunch AND dinner for everyone this morning :D
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I'll heal my baggage exactly as I see fit, thanks. And when AW finally goes tits up on 12/7 you're gonna see some more whining , lamenting, and eulagising - no doubt. It's human nature. Get over it.
Try letting the turd speak for you next time. He's smarter than you think. :)
-W
Originally posted by Vulcan:
I'm with Hazed. Fresh blood will do nothing but good for AH and HTC, but please leave the AW baggage at the door - the initial wave is understandable, but its getting a bit tedious now.
BTW, HT and Pyro used MS-DOS before they used AW -> does that make MS responsible for AH? I've said it once, and I'll say it again, I often have moments of brilliance while I'm taking a dump - but not once have I given the turd credit.
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Hazed, the overwhelming vast majority of these guys are great guys and great additions to the game.
It's a very, very small minority that seems to need to try to instantly earn respect in the fashion you find offensive.
It'll all work out eventually.
Just play. ;)
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jesus i said im sick of hearing about it not I dont want them in here.
its a simple DEMAND :)
JUS' SHADDAP!!! :mad:
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If you wanna talk to my turd, thats fine, I can see your operating on the same intellectual levels...
Originally posted by Ratbo:
I'll heal my baggage exactly as I see fit, thanks. And when AW finally goes tits up on 12/7 you're gonna see some more whining , lamenting, and eulagising - no doubt. It's human nature. Get over it.
Try letting the turd speak for you next time. He's smarter than you think. :)
-W
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Originally posted by hazed-:
jesus i said im sick of hearing about it not I dont want them in here.
its a simple DEMAND :)
JUS' SHADDAP!!! :mad:
Keep starting threads like this, that will make them stop.
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I do admit Hazed was a bit extreme in his bit, it may even sound hostile to ex-AWers despite the title "Nothing against..". But some of his points are valid, as much as the points of other AWers are valid, too.
All I usually squelch is channel 6, but the past week I must admit I've been squelching ch. 1 a LOT. We all have seen incidences where one or two individuals, or a squad from other games come into AH. Usually there isn't much trouble, and they fit into AH quickly.
But never has there been something quite like this, at least, to the extent of my experience. A whole community just made their Exodus into another different community, and golly, troubles are bound to be found.
As someone mentioned, we all realize that this must be a 'process of grieving' and a 'process of fitting in', but as I've seen people come in with friendly and respective attitude, I've seen as much people with distasteful and cranky attitudes.. endless whines, remarks, comments, neglecting existing 'AH rules and tendencies' whatsoever etc etc.. and it is getting on people's nerves :(. (It's like, suddenly, there are FDBs surrounding us! :D)
Imagine this. We are living in a nice neighborhood, and it is not strange to see people move in every now and then. Then suddenly, there are hoardes of people that just settled in this neighborhood in a single day. They are unfamiliar with what this neighborhood was like, unfamiliar with its customs, unfamiliar with how things go around here. Most people are sensible here, and know a lot better than to shout 'foreigners out' crap ;), but still it is disturbing to see how a gigantic, strange factor now lies within where you once lived.
This 'exodus' has caused lots of troubles. It's like we are Palestine people facing a huge Israeli community that just sprang next to us. Same origins but different customs, different beliefs and different visions.
It's our own version of 'Middle East' here, and perchance, we'll find a better way to solve things in our virtual AH community WAY better than how people in the real Middle East has solved things.
AH guys, please, let's give it a bit of more tolerance than we usually would..
and Ex-AWers.. please, refrain a bit. Settle down, look here and there, try to fit in and see how things work out.. Do try to be careful and calm about comments and remarks unless if there is something that is SO different from AW that without commenting about it you feel like you are going to die or something..
Lot of AWers who came into Rooks are now fitting in.. and most of the times I enjoy their presence. Let's keep it this way..
Cheers. :)
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Hazed,
I'd like to apologize to you AH'ers on behalf of the real AW comunity: the FR fliers.
You're quite right that the tone of the arena has plummeted from the days of pure flight sim enthusiasts, such as Nath BDP, and one can only point to the recent tremendous influx of RR types such as Rotor and Ratbo.
You ought to think your self lucky AH doesn't have macros, they're known for it.
Nonetheless, we'll just have to put up with all these cluless and skillzless RR seals until something cheaper comes out, thus regaining AH's "most expensive on the market" tag and keeping all the RR fools out.
There's nothing else to be done, RR types will never learn to get to grips with a real flight model. If we're lucky, Hitech will fix the GV's and they'll see for themselves where they belong.
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Originally posted by Seeker:
Hazed,
I'd like to apologize to you AH'ers on behalf of the real AW comunity: the FR fliers.
You're quite right that the tone of the arena has plummeted from the days of pure flight sim enthusiasts, such as Nath BDP, and one can only point to the recent tremendous influx of RR types such as Rotor and Ratbo.
You ought to think your self lucky AH doesn't have macros, they're known for it.
Nonetheless, we'll just have to put up with all these cluless and skillzless RR seals until something cheaper comes out, thus regaining AH's "most expensive on the market" tag and keeping all the RR fools out.
There's nothing else to be done, RR types will never learn to get to grips with a real flight model. If we're lucky, Hitech will fix the GV's and they'll see for themselves where they belong.
"Hello operator Denmark Immigration Control Kurt Hanson please."
<ring ring>
"Hanson dist ist."
"Cousin Kurt! How's they hanging?"
:D
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I think you may be viewing it in a narrow way. It's not like someone let the bus out in front of this place and 100s stormed. The AW folks are sort of trickling in. And each time someone comes through they probably have the same thing to say. Where is this, can we do that, have you ever tried...etc.
A lot of people like to be the big fish in the small pond and are affraid of becoming the small fish in a big ocean. The fact that they\we are not newbies to sims and commmunity intimidates some.
As was said above, whether you want to beleive it or not, there are more AWers here then you think and they have been here since it opened. Now their friends are arriving.
To stereotype or place a tag on AWers as this or that doesn't work either, the community is a melting pot. But as in WB, folks who have been simming for 10-15 years or more bring many good ideas. After they run through they're own ideas and you yours, I think you will see them begin to mesh into one AH idea. Re-think this in 6 months and see if you feel the same.
I don't expect you to accept change, but I would hope that you would consider that 100s of new pilots contributing everything they've learned to make this game even more fun should be a positive thing. Not to mention the extra easy targets as they learn the game and break old habits.
In flight sims the bigger the community the better, the growing pains of gettng there can be irritaing to some.
hang on bro, if nothing else it should be interesting to watch.
Want some popcorn>?? ;-)
Animal (FT)
Just 2 cents ;-)
Originally posted by hazed-:
I understand they are a pre established community but AH is MY community and I dont like the way its being changed.I welcome more players but not the full in the face approach that has changed the whole 'feel' of these boards and the game.
Im just asking them to tone down for a while.Guess its a mute request.
p.s i am not trying to annoy anyone, just trying to make them consider those that were already here and to imagine if the shoe was on the other foot.
[ 11-14-2001: Message edited by: hazed- ]
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Spoken like a true elitest.
~A
Originally posted by Seeker:
Hazed,
I'd like to apologize to you AH'ers on behalf of the real AW comunity: the FR fliers.
You're quite right that the tone of the arena has plummeted from the days of pure flight sim enthusiasts, such as Nath BDP, and one can only point to the recent tremendous influx of RR types such as Rotor and Ratbo.
You ought to think your self lucky AH doesn't have macros, they're known for it.
Nonetheless, we'll just have to put up with all these cluless and skillzless RR seals until something cheaper comes out, thus regaining AH's "most expensive on the market" tag and keeping all the RR fools out.
There's nothing else to be done, RR types will never learn to get to grips with a real flight model. If we're lucky, Hitech will fix the GV's and they'll see for themselves where they belong.
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I hear you Hazed, and I'd probably feel the same way if our positions were reversed. But, like somebody mentioned above, I don't think what's happening here has ever happened before.
I've heard us called "refugees," and there's a lot of truth to that: we were driven en masse from our virtual home, by overwhelming force. And it still feels strange - familiar and alien, both at the same time. Familiar because I fire up my engine and take off into the wild blue, just like I did "back home," and strange because the airplane doesn't feel "right," if ya follow me. And then I get into a furball and get my butt reamed, and suddenly feel like a dweeb, because the damned nose bounces all over the place and I can barely get a kill or two in a flight, much less land it. At the same time, I look around me and read the buffer, and I recognize every other name I see, so it feels like home, but then it doesn't.
Somebody else said that we're grieving, and I guess that's it, because we lost a world we had built. Some of us stuck it out until the bitter end, but it became so painful to log on to an arena with 9 people in it, that we realized it was time to move on.
So, here we are. While we grieve, we naturally talk about what we lost - it's a part of the process. The sooner we get it all out, the faster the healing, and the sooner you won't have to read this crap any more.
:)
Stiletto
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Originally posted by hazed-:
jesus i said im sick of hearing about it not I dont want them in here.
its a simple DEMAND :)
JUS' SHADDAP!!! :mad:
I will when you will....hmmm guess that's never then ;)
-------E <--- Clue rake for hazed-
Any subscriber to AH has the same rights to opinions and airing those opinions on the public boards as any other regardless of how long they have been sending HTC their money. Just because you're tired of hearing it and make a fuss about it will only generate more of it.
Hmmm or are you just a troll?? Either way the ratio of whines to noise increases geometrically. :p
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Originally posted by SB:
Hmmm or are you just a troll?? Either way the ratio of whines to noise increases geometrically. :p
psst! check seekers bait!
Tex
pretty sure stink baits been outlawed?
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<scribble scribble> You *will* pay for that you shameless hussy!!
-W
Originally posted by Seeker:
[QB]Hazed,
and one can only point to the recent tremendous influx of RR types such as Rotor and Ratbo.
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Seeker, thanks for making me giggle.
Yup, refugees many of you are, involuntarily displaced. The point is, this is not the old country, so don't expect AH to be like AW or to become like AW; and behavior that was acceptable over in AW isn't here, and vice versa. That doesn't mean that you can't be proud of yer AW heritage, or integrate elements from it into your play here.
And don't give us the historical origins crap. AW lost its way long before AH was born. Those seeking innovation, realism or gameplay left years ago; the latest wave includes many who clung to an idea and a community for 13 years. It sucks, but that idea and that community are dead. The people survive.
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[ rant ]
Alrighty, quit your yaking and fight, let's have a party.
AW take Rooks
AH take Knits
WB/FA/otherredundentandworthlesssims take Bish
Looser goes to the training arena for a month :)
Seriously,
AW community is much more than the game. I'm not going to apologize for the antics of my brethren,nor will I ask you to bear with us as we move in here, and other games. Fact of the matter is AW is and has always been more of a social game than a Flite Simz. We yak, smak and give flak, squelch it.
AW branched out beyond the text buffer and it's own sponsored message board, and out into the homes and servers of many people.
The whinng, bickering, banter that you see is part and parcel of what AW is, and if some of you get your head out of your bellybutton long enough, you will see AH does the same thing. What you are not used to is the names on the text buffer. My first impression when I came in what that the banter on open channell was childish drivel. Then, I recognized that is was the Same drivel I read at the old home, but since I knew the names in there, I tended to ignore it, considering the source.
After awhile, it all becomes white noise. Damn shame too, cause some of the best times are simply sitting in the officer club and watching the text scroll with some fantastic wit.
In short, I'm not going to tell you to shut the hell up because I don't agree with your point. You have as much of a right to be an ignorant anal retentive NIMBY as anyone. That is, unless you tell me to shut up and try to keep me from excercising my right to be the same.
I'll give the same argument I give to neighborhoods as they appeal our decision to develop the empty acreage across from their homes. You don't want to loose the view? Buy the ground and do what you want with it. Otherwise, deal with it. Don't squeak cause new players are coming in. You don't like it, talk to HT about limiting further newcomers. You don't like our approach or our style? Squelch it. Everyone that comes in here, comes for their own reasons, and will deal with the likes and dislikes in their own way. Just as each of you did.
Air Warrior brings it's own community with it. Like it or not, that's the way it is. I personally don't care if the old AW community gells with the AH crowd or not. It's simply not my concern. I am having fun, seeing some great friends and making new ones. Works for me, and that's all that matters.
I even have my old AirWarrior squelch macro revamped to include some new idiots.
Keep on griping, it's fun to watch. It also shows which buttons need to be pushed as I'm hovering over some dweeb looking for a way to distract them. [ /rant ]
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"Alrighty, quit your yaking and fight, let's have a party.
AW take Rooks
AH take Knits
WB/FA/otherredundentandworthlesssims take Bish"
Now THIS I like :) I think it would be prudent to wait till the two week free trials are over first and HTC has received at least one months subscription first. At the same time the UBB needs to have the words 'gang' and 'bang' filtered out. ;)
Westy
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Originally posted by FT_Animal:
Spoken like a true elitest.
~A
Hail Seeker (secret elitist handshake)
Nice bait. You prefer a floating or a sinking tip line with that?
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The whinng, bickering, banter that you see is part and parcel of what AW is, and if some of you
get your head out of your bellybutton long enough, you will see AH does the same thing. What you are
not used to is the names on the text buffer
AW is dead. This isn't AW. Get over it.
Yes, every single Online game worth its monthly subscription has a community that's just as important. Yes, there are similarities between the AW and AH communities. But there are also distinct differences, and what we're seeing now are socialization problems. We freely welcome new targets, and some of them can fly. Just stop telling us your behavior is okay, because that's how it was done in the "old country".
Yeah, the US was founded by immigrants from all over, but we don't take our tea in the afternoon; we eat dinner.
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Originally posted by Dinger:
It sucks, but that idea and that community are dead. The people survive.
There in lies the misconception that so many people have. The game is dead true but the AW community is not dead. If you really think the AW community is dead I invite you to go check out news.bigweek.org if you have a news reader or know how to configure one. As for the idea being dead, no it's not and AH proves that it's not. Kelton Flinn's idea for a graphical multiplayer flight simulation lives on in several areas.
The so called historical crap you refer to can be a valuable resource. I forgot who said "He who ignores history is doomed to repeat it" but it holds true here also. One example is do you know why we have a three country conflict in AH? That comes from the experiment in WB to make a four country war and the inbalances that happened there. HiTech thought the three country war gave more balance in the main arena. Also why is your default country colors green and both of the enemies red? A great idea to help eliminate the gangbangs that happened in AW and WB. The green comes from C-land in AW where HiTech spent his time. Useless facts I'm sure you didn't need to know but may give you some insite to why some things are the way they are.
I'll agree that a lot of the AW stuff is pure BS and you're making their day by setting that hook deep but can't the same be said for several people that have been with AH for the last two years?
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Originally posted by Dinger:
[QB]
AW is dead. This isn't AW. Get over it.
Umm Dinger sir?
AH as it *was* before the great AW invasion is equally in the past. The times they are a changin'. Get over it.
-W
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Originally posted by Ratbo:
Originally posted by Dinger:
[QB]
AW is dead. This isn't AW. Get over it.
Umm Dinger sir?
AH as it *was* before the great AW invasion is equally in the past. The times they are a changin'. Get over it.
-W
lol, can't argue with that one. Good point :)
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IF i read another player in channel 1 say "i owned joo!" (in a serious manner) im going to get sick on my self.
I quit playing quake like game because of the idiot kids and if the quake like flight sim brought this about, pls make it stop.
Other than that, welcome to AH and use the Oclub to talk about AW.
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lol+
That's not a troll, that's a religion, <G>
<Snips line and offers a straight jacket>
<cough>stereotype<cough>
;P
~A
Originally posted by DamnedBuzzard:
Hail Seeker (secret elitist handshake)
Nice bait. You prefer a floating or a sinking tip line with that?
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I dunno ... I don't think the AW:RR folks will have as hard a time as y'all think. I always felt that part of the reason AW needed RR arenas was that the realism flight effects weren't all that well implemented. Stall and spin characteristics in AH are predictable and feel - well - life like, at least. Gunnery is obviously different, but again, it is predictable - something that I never felt even WB had.
It may be that the AW:RR folks gravitate to bombers and ground attack for a while, but that's fine too.
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"I dunno ... I don't think the AW:RR folks will have as hard a time as y'all think. "
Well, one has to bow to the expert; AH's flight model is certainly much, much easier than an AW FR flyer is used to; but it still nonetheless rewards a bit of understanding of physics and aerodynamics that would be far beyond the attention span of most RR's to master.
Still, if you can't fly, you can always "strat". You don't have to be a hot stick to be "good at flight sims" these days.
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For Chrissakes Seeker. You got any more chum in das boot ??
-W
Originally posted by Seeker:
"I dunno ... I don't think the AW:RR folks will have as hard a time as y'all think. "
Well, one has to bow to the expert; AH's flight model is certainly much, much easier than an AW FR flyer is used to; but it still nonetheless rewards a bit of understanding of physics and aerodynamics that would be far beyond the attention span of most RR's to master.
Still, if you can't fly, you can always "strat". You don't have to be a hot stick to be "good at flight sims" these days.
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And what's wrong with a 2-country war involving scripted missions on a MMP scale?
Yes, even those of us who've never played AW are aware of its place in the history of MMP flight sims; but what the hell does that have to do with turning AH into AW4?
The idea of AW is dead. Derivative ideas do continue.
Whether the AW community is alive is open to discussion. What kind of existence will it have after the plug is pulled on AW? Whatever the case, one thing is certain: when playing AH or posting on these boards, you are participating in the AH community.
And, whoever it was was absolutely right in pointing out that this community, like any other, is fluid. The influx of a thousand new players is going to cause changes. That's fine by me. But don't come here looking for AW4, and don't try to give me bogus historical explanations for why AH is AW4. It isn't. We know it's largely the same market, and it's largely the same idea (too much the same idea, frankly. Visionary for 1986 is boring arena play in 2001)
And all this ridiculous airquake nonsense has got to stop.
Dinger
31337157
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Obviously your attention span is very narrow and short.
This is a flame troll most often seen by Seeker and most often found in BW. He has the "We are better then you are " attitude most known in AW as "FR Elitest".
RR players chose their stick in their own way to have fun. FR folks chose their stick for their own style of fun.
It doesn't place RR below or above FR, it places them it what they chose to have fun at. And without the RR player base AW would have folded years ago. Those RR pilots you tend to knock paved the way for the game to stay in business, for YOU. Something you can't see the forest for the trees are in the way.
If you like to place yourself on the self proclaimed FR elitest pedistal that's your puragotive. Did you ever hear a RR player knock a FR pilots on his choice of arena>? NO
It's folks like you making yourself mightier then thou, that the "FR Elitest" name was born.
Like they say, you're a legion in your own mind.
Of course if they do impliment macros it would be funny to see..
"Seeker shot down by former RR pilot"
<GGG>
Can I have your autograph after the show>?
<rolls eyes>
;-)
Animal (FT)
Originally posted by Seeker:
"I dunno ... I don't think the AW:RR folks will have as hard a time as y'all think. "
Well, one has to bow to the expert; AH's flight model is certainly much, much easier than an AW FR flyer is used to; but it still nonetheless rewards a bit of understanding of physics and aerodynamics that would be far beyond the attention span of most RR's to master.
Still, if you can't fly, you can always "strat". You don't have to be a hot stick to be "good at flight sims" these days.
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Reminder: Never confuse a game with a community.
That's twice - don't make me hafta staple a note to your forehead.
Here's a seperate note (I have plenty of staples in the gun, so listen up): Get over it yourself. People who start piss and moan threads so the other four people who agree with `em can walk into it wearing their "I'm with stupid" t-shirts (arrow pointing up half the time) and pat `em on the back for peeing in their diapers so well pretty much are just eating their own dung in public.
Uh uh .... staplegun.
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Originally posted by Dinger:
And what's wrong with a 2-country war involving scripted missions on a MMP scale?
Dinger
31337157
First off you'll end up with wildly swinging numbers of players and gangbangs on both sides.
Second, if you try to force equality in numbers there will be player resentment. After all they choose to pay for a game, shouldn't they have a choice in what side they play on?
Third, scripted missions starting every so often and running a set amount of time means that some poor Joe Schmoo gets in 5 minutes late and has to wait 2 hours to get in on the next mission.
Fourth, you want the limited resources at HTC spending time on scripted missions instead of improving this game and adding new aircraft? I'm all for getting an early war plane set in for the BoB scenario when possible and a wider range of late war stuff in to expand on the fun in the MA.
The arena style play is a fluid open style of play that appeals to people that come in to fly one 30 minute mission and others that come in to fly all day. AW tried the auto scenario route and failed. It was a combination of things that caused it to fail but while it was fun for a while as a novelity it got boring quickly. Too many times there were people coming in just to disrupt the canned mission. It wasn't a lot of fun for those trying to get into it.
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Originally posted by FT_Animal:
[qb]
If you like to place yourself on the self proclaimed FR elitest pedistal that's your puragotive. Did you ever hear a RR player knock a FR pilots on his choice of arena>? NO
That's prerogative..and of course we've all seen RR dweebs attempting to tell us how much harder RR is. But most of them spell so poorly and mix thier metaphors so they're hard to understand.
[qb]
It's folks like you making yourself mightier then thou, that the "FR Elitest" name was born.
Holier than thou....Amazon has copies of Bartlett's for sale I'm sure. The term FR elitist was born because FR flyers are and were the elite.
[qb]
Like they say, you're a legion in your own mind.
That's legend. The first requirement to attain that status of course is to have a mind. My guess is Amazon's out of those.
;-)
Animal (FT)
[ 11-15-2001: Message edited by: DamnedBuzzard ]
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"but it still nonetheless rewards a bit of understanding of physics and aerodynamics that would be far beyond the attention span of most RR's to master."
I disagree.
I flew RR, a lot, enough to know one undeniable fact: AW RR felt more realistic than AW FR did. AW's spin model was FUBAR, and the joystick-based blackout model was even worse.
IMO, with the exception of the nosebounce, AH basically feels like AW RR. I sure haven't had too much difficulty adjusting (not to say I particularily like AH, but at least I can get my plane off the ground and sometimes get my guns on target).
Seeker, you blasted FR weenie! :)
J_A_B
[ 11-15-2001: Message edited by: J_A_B ]
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Giggle Arlo. And don't think that the game isn't essential to the community. Sure there are some who fly and don't hang out, and others who hang out and don't fly, but without the game at the center of it, it's dead.
I'll piss my diapers any time I want. Most of you seem to have missed the point. Air Warriors will be always be Air Warriors -- that's fine, just as long as they recognize that this isn't AW, and that their dreams of what AW could be died with the game. It's time to build a new world.
And destroy these notions such as "scripted missions fail because of the griefers". We haven't had much of a problem with griefers until the latest batch of people signed up. :D
AW experience is useful, but it doesn't translate 100 percent to every online game out there.
The balance issue can also be solved. You know that it is possible to make missions compensate for balance.
In any case, having experienced 2-, 3- and 4- country wars, I haven't seen one model produce more balanced results than any other. We still get ridiculous imbalances with 3, worse than what I ever saw with two or four.
The notion "let the players fly any plane they want" I find the most limiting of all. It means that in the MA only a handful of mission profiles are going to be effective.
I like to fly the 202, for example, but the plane doesn't have a chance against late-war cannonbirds.
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Originally posted by Dinger:
It's time to build a new world.
Sure, HTC already has our version of the world as it should be. It cost us several of the prime virgin sheep stock, but a small price to pay with the eventual payoffs.
:D
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Originally posted by Dinger:
Seeker, thanks for making me giggle.
Yup, refugees many of you are, involuntarily displaced. The point is, this is not the old country, so don't expect AH to be like AW or to become like AW; and behavior that was acceptable over in AW isn't here, and vice versa. That doesn't mean that you can't be proud of yer AW heritage, or integrate elements from it into your play here.
And don't give us the historical origins crap. AW lost its way long before AH was born. Those seeking innovation, realism or gameplay left years ago; the latest wave includes many who clung to an idea and a community for 13 years. It sucks, but that idea and that community are dead. The people survive.
yada yada yada (turns off lecturing idiot)
I Can't hear you.......
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Originally posted by FT_Animal:
Obviously your attention span is very narrow and short.
Animal (FT)
you're losing it again, take your meds.
Tex
and you were doing so well!
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I'm sorry Otter, I forgot to translate my messages in terms comprehensible to the target audience. Permit me:
To all former Air Warriors:
Sorry about your noodle.
-Dinger
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5 Stars for Seeker and Dinger.
As they say in The Jungle...
RACK'EM!
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Stand still, Ding.
*click* *click*
If your friends don't read them to you then we'll just have to trust in osmosis.
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Log in .squelch 6 , .squelch 1, say g'day to Kniggits then .squelch 2 .
Works great...the only other people in the game that I can 'hear' are my squadmates, the rest of 'em are just drones......the most unpredictable, sometimes uber, sometimes dweebish drones there are to be found anywhere.
Then again there are times when I get a real laugh out of the radio bar, and have even learnt a thing or two in the past from comments/facts people have put into text.
If you cant bare to hear it, squelch the lot of 'em, but if you are in a more tollerant frame of mind, and are prepared to sift through the crap to find the gems, listen in.
HTC have given us a wonderful option, that being the .squelch # command.
Freedom of speech, freedom of choice....here, we have both.
<S> Blue
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How did you find out about my little feller?
-W
To all former Air Warriors:
Sorry about your noodle.
-Dinger[/QB][/QUOTE]
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<punt> :p
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Originally posted by Dinger:
In any case, having experienced 2-, 3- and 4- country wars, I haven't seen one model produce more balanced results than any other. We still get ridiculous imbalances with 3, worse than what I ever saw with two or four.
The notion "let the players fly any plane they want" I find the most limiting of all. It means that in the MA only a handful of mission profiles are going to be effective.
I like to fly the 202, for example, but the plane doesn't have a chance against late-war cannonbirds.
Keep your bad ideas from Warbirds out of AH.
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Originally posted by Vulcan:
-SNIP-
I've said it once, and I'll say it again, I often have moments of brilliance while I'm taking a dump - but not once have I given the turd credit.
Perhaps you should...
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Originally posted by hazed-:
jesus i said im sick of hearing about it not I dont want them in here.
its a simple DEMAND :)
JUS' SHADDAP!!! :mad:
B I T E M E D W E E B !
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Originally posted by hazed-:
jesus i said im sick of hearing about it not I dont want them in here.
its a simple DEMAND :)
JUS' SHADDAP!!! :mad:
Hey hazed... B I T E M E D W E E B !
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Originally posted by Charon:
I knew I was in trouble when I first upped in the Gamestorm MA after the year off, and chased a high P-51 through three grids. "Surely, he will drop down and kill me, come on, what's happening?" He reached an undefended field, went to divebomb some meaningless tratget and got killed by ack. The Big Pac had got into full swing, and the game was never the same after they got rid of the central, neutral cities concept.
[ 11-14-2001: Message edited by: Charon ]
Trust me, there were a LOT of Air Warrior players who thought that the game was lacking for this change. I never liked AW as much once they made all the fields capturable.
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Geeeesshhhhhh
What a wall of text...
My Eyeballs Hurt...
This has been one of the most interesting threads I have had the pleasure of reading on these great UBB boards...
I mean this has made me slow down and smell the roses today... If all this eloquence would have been posted NNTP, I would have blasted thru this thread like an Otter thru calm water. Or an Animal on a rampage when out of his cage... But no... I spent about a half hour s l o w l y browsing and enjoying my reading... I even read about guys taking dumps and talking to their turds... Pretty soon other fellows were talking about his turd... Then others started to psychoanalyze his turd...
I read about how much better FR was than RR, along with how FR was inferior to RR.
Seek and ye shall find... thats my motto.
Didn't Arlo Guthrie write some lyrics to that affect ? Or was that just some bard ?
Earlier in another thread I read about how angry some people were about a squad coming in from AW that had a similar squad name... How uncoothe it was to use the same name they had used for years in AW... How dare they? Just a case of no class rude behavior.
After all, they had moved onto someone elses property. I mean since the existing squad had been in existence in AH first.. No one should have the right to use a squad name that was remotely similar to thiers...
People that are the first ones across a bridge do develope loyalty to the land they bravely claim to be their own and...
Oh wait this is a game isn't it ?
This made as much sense to me as the kind of logic that decided how elementary history classes should teach about how zealots had to come into what is now the United States and murder and starve all of the savage people that lived here so they could civilize it.
Is that whats called an Oxymaroons ???
Now this is a great database of knowlege at our fingertips... Lets not get carried away with petty anal tendencies that cause us to come to odds with each other.
The beginning of this thread reminds me of that old Beatles song...
Hazed and Confused
Yeah... everything about AH is just the best. I mean there couldn't have been any part of the AW community, that even held a candle next to the deeply entrenched community <cough> that was here when I arrived from another flight sim about 6 months ago.
I do hope we can all get along and grow together.
BOOT
:eek: :mad: ;) :D :o :( :p :confused: <these thins are so cool>
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Did I mention I'm also fond of jello.
I am.
Westy
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O'westy wrote:
Did I mention I also fondle jello.
Huh, I may have to try that. What flavor? Which mold? ;)
O'westy? Where'd the hell you come up with that? You join River Dance or something?
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Erotic jellos!
As for my O'Westy? About two weeks ago I screwed up my email addy and since I've not been able to access my old login. So I had to open a new logon. and I hate names like Westy1, Westy2 etc etc :)
Westy
(sorry for jumping on you jello bandwagon Kieran but for some reason that type of post kind of cracks me up :) )
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Hehe, Boot. Hi again. Ain't this board sumpin'? (http://www.theunholytrinity.org/cracks_smileys/contrib/ruinkai/biggrinumbrella1.gif)
Originally posted by BOOT:
Geeeesshhhhhh
What a Eyeball Hurt of text...
This has been one of the most smell the roses threads I have had the pleasure of reading.
:eek: :mad: ;) :D :o :p :confused: <- I think I know these guys
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This thread really pisses me off. It comes down to this, pal. I'm paying my $14.95 a month, and I'll say whatever I damn well please over whatever channel I want to say it, within the limits of TOS, and I'll post whatever I want to in these forums, again within the limits of TOS. If you don't like it, shoot me down. It's not hard to do. Don't tell me how to enjoy my game. You play your game with your $14.95, and I'll play my game with my $14.95. I don't squeak and whine about you, and you don't squeak and whine about me.
Mosca
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You know, I suppose what gets/got a bit irritating is that, it's like going out with some new girl (pre-marriage, when I could do such a thing :) )and having her talk nonstop about her old boyfriend. A little is ok at first, but I ain't him nor do I want to be. And if he was so great he would be sitting across the table from you now instead of me :) And I bet his Johnson really wasn't that big, and he probably looked like a dork on that motorcycle anyway.
But, such emotions are understandable after the way EA said he loved you all (including me) then dropped you like a used kleenex. A few watermellon shots and a good cry with the girls and soon you'll all be AH'ers first with AW as just a memory -- both good and bad. And it doesn't take all that long girlfriend, I promise :)
Charon
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Originally posted by mosca:
This thread really pisses me off. It comes down to this, pal. I'm paying my $14.95 a month, and I'll say whatever I damn well please over whatever channel I want to say it, within the limits of TOS, and I'll post whatever I want to in these forums, again within the limits of TOS. If you don't like it, shoot me down. It's not hard to do. Don't tell me how to enjoy my game. You play your game with your $14.95, and I'll play my game with my $14.95. I don't squeak and whine about you, and you don't squeak and whine about me.
Mosca
If I show you mine will you show me yours? (http://www.freakygamers.com/smilies/s/contrib/corky/smilies25.gif)
Welcome to AH Mosca, don't pay any attention to these gomers.
Tumor
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I know, Tumor, it's a troll; but what I said needed to be said.
Mosca
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O'Westy wrote:
As for my O'Westy? About two weeks ago I screwed up my email addy and since I've not been able to access my old login. So I had to open a new logon. and I hate names like Westy1, Westy2 etc etc
So you didn't join River Dance? I have tickets to that. ;)
Yeah, I found some 38CC jello molds at the corner market.....Oh, wait....Those were salad bowls.
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Oh dear, I'm afraid some of you AH players who wish to preserve whatever sort of community you have had here are in big trouble.
First I think you'll find little sympathy from the AW croud, in fact the more you arp the more you will be clubbed. How many here know better than to throw a pail of water on a gas fire? Well, when dealing with AW players, it is more like throwing gas on a gas fire. It's who we are. And to caution and prepare you further, you ain't seen nothing yet.
Many who would be more vocal are still a bit shy and are stretching their AH wings. These are probably the best of us. There is still the low life of AW that haven't yet arrived. You have to forgive them since it takes them a bit longer to find their way here. And no doubt many of them stopped by AWIIOL for a visit. These too shall come and your anxiety level will reach new heights.
Point of fact, Aces High will never be the same. You will see great silliness and cluelessness beyond your wildest imagination. And you will be attacked from within as the old AW players amongst you come out of their shells to join with their bretherin in the great merriment to come. If you think Arlo and Rotor are silly dweebs, beware of the fact that they are still in training. Before it's all been said and done, many AH players will morn the passing of their game as it was just as we morn AW now.
Take a cup of green water and mix it with a cup of yellow water... what to you get? I don't know, but you can be damned sure that it won't be either green or yellow. Things will never be the same, and whining about it will do no good.
But there will be a sign... listen for the "quack" =o)
[ 11-17-2001: Message edited by: Grizzly ]
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ROFL, Griz. ;)
Blue+Yellow = green
Green+Yellow = pee green
Mix enough colors together and it all becomes gray. Go figure. :D
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perpetual "AirWarrior in training"
(eventual "AcesHigher no braining")
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Originally posted by Grizzly:
Point of fact, Aces High will never be the same. You will see great silliness and cluelessness beyond your wildest imagination.
and the HATE. Don't forget the HATE!
Horn
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Original Text...
BOOT Wrote:
Geeeesshhhhhh
What a wall of text...
My Eyeballs Hurt...
This has been one of the most interesting threads I have had the pleasure of reading on these great UBB boards...
I mean this has made me slow down and smell the roses today...
Edited by CNN:
By Arlo / aka Wulf Blitzkrieg
Originally posted by BOOT:
Geeeesshhhhhh
What a Eyeball Hurt of text...
This has been one of the most smell the roses threads I have had the pleasure of reading.
<- I think I know these guys
-Arlo
Arlo... Did you get a job with CNN ???
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LOL .... with the pay and perks those bozos get, I sure wouldn't mind. :)