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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: H. Godwineson on January 10, 2003, 10:29:38 AM
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While preparing my lesson for American History today, I was perusing Washington's Farewell Address, and found myself, once again, being awed by the quiet wisdom of our First Chief Executive.
"I have already intimated to you the danger of [political] parties in the state, with particular reference to the founding of them on geographical discriminations. Let me now take a more comprehensive view and warn you in the most solemn manner against the baneful effects of the spirit of party generall..."
"Promote, then, as an object of primary importance, institutions for the general diffusion of knowledge...As the structure of a government gives force to public opinion, it is essential that ppublic opinion should be enlightened..."
"[Avoid] likewise the accumulation of debt,...not ungenerously throwing upon posterity the burden which we ourselves out to bear..." "Observe good faith and justice toward all nations. Cultivate peace and harmony with all..."
"It is our true policy to steer clear of permanent alliances with any portion of the foreign world...There can be no greater error than to expect, or calculate, upon real favors from nation to nation. It is an illusion which experience must cure, which a just pride out to discard."
My, My. How we have strayed from the path.
Shuckins
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I'm sure Ann Coulter would disagree.
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Yes. It appears that Washington had more on his mind than another former President......
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Ahhh - back in the day when Presidents wrote their own speeches. I thoroughly enjoy reading these types of things...
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I would love to see O'Reilly or some such host try to bully a Washington or Jefferson, or a Hamilton on their show. Talk about guys functioning on a different level. 2 Centuries later they remain men amongst boys in political theory.
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Hornet,
Absolutely right. But they were also GENTLEMEN. They would probably rake those guys over the coals for constantly interrupting before they could finish a response to a question. I would love to see some of those obnoxious idiots get "taken to the woodshed."
Shuckins
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Geowge Washington - certainly the best president we've had, possibly the only good one...& the only one not a member of a political party. coincidence? sample size is > 30, so doubtful...
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Originally posted by whgates3
Geowge Washington - certainly the best president we've had, possibly the only good one...& the only one not a member of a political party. coincidence? sample size is > 30, so doubtful...
Perhaps because he was very reluctant to accept the honour, not like those contemporary shmucks who would kill to become one.
Men like him really served their country. Very few come to mind, Cincinatus? Pilsudski (perhaps)?
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...likewise the accumulation of debt...
They didn't have paper money then - had to pay in honest gold. If we ever have problem with our debt, we will just inflate the currency. So the old people's savings will get robbed, not descendants...
miko
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Miko,
Social Security is more of a a ripoff for old people than any other government program. If that money were privatized into existing retirement programs the elderly would be much better off during their retirement years.
Washington would be appalled at the massive debt embodied in the Social Security system which is being saddled onto our children AND grandchildren. It isn't fair to them. That was the point of his statement.
Shuckins
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...not to take anything away from WAshington, but he may not have been so appaled@the thought of debt...USA when it was 1st formed was in quite a heavy debt situation (that was the reason for the whiskey tax & subsequent 1794 whiskey rebellion was about - fighting the revoltionary war was not for free)...i remember about 20 years ago some family found out they loaned ~$200000 for the revloutionary war & were never paid off - was about $1.5 billion w/ interest - they forgave the debt...class act
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Washington owned slaves, so anything he did or said is discredited.
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Just remember that in Washingtons' era, dueling was an accepted practice. Also remember that George had teeth made out of wood.
Im of the opinion that television has corrupted the western worlds capacity to learn and retain information and degraded the need for thinking and placing those thoughts into written word.
Dont even get me started on rap music and MTV2
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
Washington owned slaves, so anything he did or said is discredited.
and he grew dope :)
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And yet you support our current president?
Don't look now, but your "conservative" double standard is showing. :p
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Originally posted by -dead-
and he grew dope :)
Wasn't it a law then that property owners had to grow at least two marijuana plants ( I read that somewhere but am too lazy to search for it.)? The main reason of course was for the extremely hardy, fast growth or the plants and the very strong hemp fibers for the manufacture of rope (mainly for ship rigging) and manufacture of clothing, paper, bags, blankets, etc. The by-product of the buds and leaves was very mild compared to today's types of plants. They used the the very tree-like Sativa variety as compared to the very short and very bushy Indica variety today grown specifically for the buds. The THC (particularly Delta 9) content of those plants in Washington's time is a mere fraction of the stuff coming out of today's plants.
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LOL.
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Originally posted by Curval
Yes. It appears that Washington had more on his mind than another former President......
Hehe, funny photo. Unfortunetely it appears retouched. I doubt the original photo shows "his Viagra effects" ;)
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Weazel,
Yes. I support our current president. That makes us even, for you supported our "former president."
Of the two, which would you trust around your wife and daughter? Which one had (or has) the most realistic foreign policy toward North Korea?
I prefer the sincere, honest, stumble-bumbling speech maker of a president to the one who was nick-named "Slick Willie" by the independent-mined citizens of his home state, and mine, who saw through his facade.
Regards, Shuckins
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Actually Weazel did not support Clinton. As I recall; he was more pissed at the way monkey boy got the job than he was about who he beat.. and, if I remember correctly he was a GWB Sr. supporter during the gulf war.
And yes, I believe it's possible to support a leader in war and detest his political machine and domestic policys in peacetime.
Weazels's as much an Honest Patriot as it's possible to be in a world where 'Honest Politicans' are not the ones that can succesfuly hold office.
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maybe people would like WAshington if he had grown better dope
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Correct on all counts.
I even voted for Poppy Bush vs WJC but confess I voted for WJC over Dole since IMO he was too much of a relic to be an effective leader.
Shuckins, your "sincere, honest, stumble-bumbling speech maker of a president" is a sociopath...and mark my words, time will prove this assertion.
Originally posted by Hangtime
Actually Weazel did not support Clinton. As I recall; he was more pissed at the way monkey boy got the job than he was about who he beat.. and, if I remember correctly he was a GWB Sr. supporter during the gulf war.
And yes, I believe it's possible to support a leader in war and detest his political machine and domestic policys in peacetime.
Weazels's as much an Honest Patriot as it's possible to be in a world where 'Honest Politicans' are not the ones that can succesfuly hold office.
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LOL!
I voted for dole. Only republican that ever got my vote. The office of the presidency needed a quality relic at that time IMHO.
;)
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Weazel,
If you have proof that Bush Jr. is a sociopath, produce it. Is he a member of the Klan? Has he had anyone killed? Has he made racist statements about Muslims, Blacks, or Mexicans? Or have you just got a "feeling??
Shuckins
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Hey Shuckins,
I just looked up a couple of words in Cambridge dictionary online, take them for what they are worth.
sociopath
noun [C]
a person who is completely unable or unwilling to behave in a way that is acceptable to society
weasel
noun [C]
a small mammal with reddish brown fur and a long body which can kill other small animals such as mice and birds for food
(informal) Speech which is described as weasel words is speech intentionally used either to avoid answering a question clearly or to make someone believe something that is not true.
:D
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Originally posted by Shuckins
Weazel,
Has he made racist statements about Muslims, Blacks, or Mexicans? Or have you just got a "feeling??
Shuckins
Are you saying that is one of the criteria for a "sociopath?"
If so, do you consider that some on these boards might be?
:D
BTW, because one may be racist or have racist thoughts, does not necessarily make them sociopathic in my book. Only the extreme fringe racists (those that act on their feelings such as threaten, berate, kill, etc) would I classify as being sociopathic.
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Originally posted by Hangtime
Actually Weazel did not support Clinton. As I recall; he was more pissed at the way monkey boy got the job than he was about who he beat.. and, if I remember correctly he was a GWB Sr. supporter during the gulf war.
And yes, I believe it's possible to support a leader in war and detest his political machine and domestic policys in peacetime.
Weazels's as much an Honest Patriot as it's possible to be in a world where 'Honest Politicans' are not the ones that can succesfuly hold office.
~S~! Very true.
I do believe that it is every American's right to criticize when they feel wrong doing is being done by our elected leadership. I find those people are actually patriotic. They stand up against the "status quo" to let their beliefs known.
Those that criticized former President Clinton had every right to.
Those that criticized any President has the right to. Fact is if they have information they feel is wrong doing by the President, they should speak up. It doesn't always mean they're right though.
As an American, I support everyone's right to criticize any President. I feel it is very "American" to do so. It's what this country was supposedly founded on.
Carry on....
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Originally posted by SaburoS
Wasn't it a law then that property owners had to grow at least two marijuana plants ( I read that somewhere but am too lazy to search for it.)? The main reason of course was for the extremely hardy, fast growth or the plants and the very strong hemp fibers for the manufacture of rope (mainly for ship rigging) and manufacture of clothing, paper, bags, blankets, etc. The by-product of the buds and leaves was very mild compared to today's types of plants. They used the the very tree-like Sativa variety as compared to the very short and very bushy Indica variety today grown specifically for the buds. The THC (particularly Delta 9) content of those plants in Washington's time is a mere fraction of the stuff coming out of today's plants.
Judge for yourself, personally I think it's rather dodgy ground to assume it was just for rope etc and no Indica:
May 12-13: Sowed Hemp at Muddy hole by Swamp. August 7: Began to separate the Male from the Female at Muddy hole - rather too late."
George Washington
Diary 1765
Now I've read elsewhere that George wanted the males because were more hardy for rope etc than the females and that's why he wanted them separate - but "rather too late" is fairly questionable in a purely rope-related context. Personally, I can't think up a scenario for that other than wanting unfertilized female plants. And there's really only one reason for wanting unfertilized female plants.
What was done with the seed saved from the India Hemp last summer? It ought, all of it, to have been sewn again; that not only a stock of seed sufficient for my own purposes might have been raised, but to have disseminated the seed to others; as it is more valuable than the common Hemp.
George Washington
Writings of Washington, Vol. 35, pg. 72
Fairly clear evidence that George grew "the very short and very bushy Indica variety today grown specifically for the buds." Note how he mentions that it is "more valuable than the common hemp"
As to the "THC (particularly Delta 9) content of those plants in Washington's time is a mere fraction of the stuff coming out of today's plants." This quote from the book Marijuana by Dr. Walton, 1869 is interesting:
“Hemp grown for fiber in Kentucky has been shown to contain a substantial degree of potency. Houghton and Hamilton concluded from animal experiments that the Kentucky hemp was fully as active as the best imported Indian product. It is clear that the potentiality of hashish abuse has always existed with this type of hemp production.”
All that said, I'm unsure as to whether George smoked or not - but he certainly grew it. I suppose, in his favour, in these enlightened times we now know that American Presidents are wont not to inhale. :)
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what i find amusing is that supposedly 60% of the nation likes dubya, but i can't find a single soul anywhere who supports him in person.
i wonder what the payout for answering those polls is.
and how can we have such weak political parties as to give us an election with just GWB and snore? i voted for gore only because he was the lesser of two evils, but i lamented for days afterwards.
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Shuckins
The psychiatric diagnosis that comes closest to capturing the sense of these terms (sociopath, psychopath) is antisocial personality disorder (APD).
Essentially, individuals with APD show "a pervasive pattern of disregard for, and violation of, the rights of others that begins in childhood or early adolescence and continues into adulthood." The terms "psychopathy" and "sociopathy" have also been applied to this pattern, and are roughly synonymous.
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"Of the two, which would you trust around your wife and daughter? Which one had (or has) the most realistic foreign policy toward North Korea?
Neither one is a pedophile to my knowledge so the question has no relevance in the context your using to my 10 y.o. daughter.
But if they were around her I'll bet WJC would entertain her in a manner appropriate to her age where chimpy would probably relegate the duty to an underling or his wife since he wouldn't have a clue as how to relate to a child.
All you need to look at is how well adjusted Chelsea Clinton is compared to the offspring of satan barb and Jenna appear to be to see which did their work as a parent.
As far as Korea goes Clinton had the balls to sign off on his negotiations with Korea where chimp-boy is using back channel negotiations and will end up sweetening the deal Clinton made just to make the crisis disappear.
Mark my words...time will also prove this assertion.
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I'll take that one, Moose.
Peer pressure. Really. The accepted perception of Bush is that he isn't too bright. So, in order to appear "with it" or "above it all", people appear to have to have a detachment from him. Some have to be so above it all they have to detach themselves from both parties at every opportunity. It's cooler to be "independent".
I didn't particularly like Bush as a first choice, but I am pleased pretty much so far in his presidency, and if the Dems can't give me a better choice I will vote for him this time. (You see, last time I voted against Gore).