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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Wilbus on January 07, 2002, 07:34:00 AM
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just got out, bout 80 people online. I know there is the CT, although I prefer to fly with more then 2 other people. CT is OK during Euro evenings and nights but during day nobody is in it.
So, went into MA, took some screen of a fight, saw a 109, 2 spits and 7 N1K2's, nikis are ok, can be beaten with the right tactics but no fun to see like 80% N1K2 and spits in the arena, the rest of the 50 plane types are the 20% left. Takes the fun out of flying there.
No way to limit N1K2 use? Maybe Limit them to Large fields, or only small fields, or whatever, something.
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"Some way to limit Nikis in MA?"
Easy answer. Yes. By shooting them down.
OR!!
Come on over to the CT ;)
Westy
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Am in the CT most of the time, not when there are very few people in there AND we will eventually get the niki in there too.
Allso, you can't shoot down 50 out of 60 enemies without reloading.
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Hehe, I know the feeling, I have a few pics of entire furballs being nothing but n1ks.
Needless it is to say, if im lower than them, and they coming for me, I bail out b4 giving the tards a proximity kill.
:D
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Spits are much more common than n1kjs actually.
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I like to call this piece "A Typical Engagement in the MA."
(http://communities.msn.com/_Secure/0KgAAAPcOPDzf1iQ37NDV4AQosdwbStZW4pUvVPcb5W9NnuX8qSvtWkwcj!gt88wMre9QzMzInH0/trtw.jpg)
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Dunno why the plane is not perked, should be at least 5 or 6 perk points just like the f4u-1c. The plane definatley unbalances any fight. You can be furballing with 3 enemy and holding your own , then spot a n1k comming in; you have to break off and get the hell out of dodge if you want to stay alive.
Perk em or do what I originally suggested, make em available only to pilots who rank below 1000 so only the pilots who actually need training wheels could get them. :D Sure I know some real good pilots would rank poorly for various reasons, but not many of em, and that is ok.
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I've found that the best way to limit a plane's usage in the MA is to come here and complain about how uber and unbeatable it is. Yep.. that works best. Nobody wants to fly an uber plane afterall.
You guys are sooo on the right track.
AKDejaVu
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"you can't shoot down 50 out of 60 enemies without reloading."
Good point :)
FWIW when I flew the MA (and whenever I still do as I like flying with my squaddies) I purposely HO every N1K2 (Spit and La7 often also) driver I see. Just doing my part to give them a persecution complex. ;)
Westy
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Originally posted by MANDOBLE:
Spits are much more common than n1kjs actually.
Don't think anyone has a problem with spits, I hope not anyway, lets face it, they served in every combat zone from 1940 to 1945. I would fly spits if they were not so damn slow :D
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Ohhhhh, good idea tac! :D
Allso, I consider it a rule of engagement, that once a Niki is down, the pilot's chute must be strafed with all guns and means possible.
Shouldn't have to though, perk it cheap like a F4u C.
Atleast spit doesn't catch a Dora or a Pony in a dive starting CO E.
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I think the first problem we need to address is limiting whiners on the BBS.
I am not seeing that many Niks in the MA, and if you are dieing to them, its probably your own fault.
Dago
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OH....here it goes again...Perk this...Perk that....
Of coarse another option is shut-up & fly :)
BgMAW
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Originally posted by Wilbus:
Ohhhhh, good idea tac! :D
Allso, I consider it a rule of engagement, that once a Niki is down, the pilot's chute must be strafed with all guns and means possible.
Heh, I pioneered that tatctic; No N1k chutes make it to the ground alive when I am around.
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CC ramjgr, I also do it.
Religiously.
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They are proof of Roswell...I want to believe
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I just don't know how we could all be flying in the same arena. The plane that killed me the most in the last tour was the F6F...
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F6F's for me too Kieran (kills of that is). F4u-1D and Spit9 tied for second... with the P-38 and P-51D not far behind them.
The N1K2 was a distant 11th.
Its like there are giant concentrations of N1K2s that aren't that difficult to avoid. I haven't gone out of my way to avoid them, yet I hardly see them.
I wonder why it is that some people could see so many of them while others could see so few?
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If you're going to discuss it.. you might as well use current numbers:
Tour 24 stats as of 1pm Central (http://www.dbstaines.com/TourStats/Tour24/Tour24.htm)
AKDejaVu
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It doesnt make sense to me either, I hardly ever see Nikis anymore. They used to be everywhere back when they had the special dispensation that caused the laws of physics not to apply to them, but nowadays I almost never see them. I dont know what yall are talking about. My unscientific observation is that the Spitfire and La-7 are the two most common fighters in the MA. Of course I dont have any hard evidence of that but they seem to be the ones that I see the most. This doesnt bother me at all since it is, after all, the Main Arena. I prefer the CT nowadays, although I occasionally return to the MA if I want to fly a certain plane or something, or to see how my knights are doing.
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Originally posted by Wilbus:
Atleast spit doesn't catch a Dora or a Pony in a dive starting CO E.
Since the FM has been changed, I don’t have any problems out climbing or running away <cough> withdrawing <cough> from a N1K. There’s a lot of em in places but usually lower and slower. If I do encounter one co-alt or higher I can usually escape without any problems in a pony or corsair.
Just the other day I had an opponent get disgruntled with me as we were alone, me with about a 3K feet alt advantage, and very far from any friendly bases, mine or his. After about 5 minutes or so of making passes, trying to rope, rounding him back in when he tried to escape, I got the kill. He was upset because I wouldn’t turn fight him and his poor uber N1K wouldn’t regain alt or E the way my pony was.
They are very deadly when the right person is flying it. Most of the time though it’s just another target, I don’t see a reason to perk it.
Zippatuh
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Zippatuh
if there was nothing but tards flying the tempest, would it still need to be perked?
just because idiots fly the n1k2 doesnt mean it couldnt stand a light perking like the chog had to get.
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im convinced that all n1k2 pilots are tards though. i had one chase me for half a sector in my p47, he was 1.5k and dwindling, 2k still in persuit. Just he and I and 8k of air to the water beneath us.. i start to roll to come around on him and he turns hard right into our/rook train station which was fully acked and firing like mad, he was diving and shooting seemingly aimlessly.. of course i follow him down and ripped him apart. I was thinking to my self.. "what is he on and where can i get it???" :D
what a tard
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Uhmm, my idea of Nikis being everywhere might have come from the fight at A3 and S of it today in the MA, was almost nothing but Nikis there, 1 or 2 spits and a 109 and about 7 or 8 nikis. I have people that were with me there that can say the same.
Maybe they are rarer now though and aren't in the arena all over most of the time. When I come to think of it, just had a fight where I hardly saw any nikis (near 47) at all.
Maybe it's just from time to time where all the dweebs seem to gather at one field.
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AmOn,
Well yes, I do think that all Tempest drivers are tards, so therefore it should be free ;)!
What I was trying to say was that I do not believe the N1K is that big of a threat and based on performance doesn’t warrant a perking. I don’t believe the F4U-C did either but the argument for total kill percentage won out. If the criterion for perking is ability, I think it falls short. If it’s amount of use it doesn’t appear that it has reached the 20% precedent set by the Chog.
Zippatuh
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shoot more, talk less.
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Here is my perk system idea.
HTC chooses some BBS monitors. These people have the ability to charge perk points for whining. I believe that Wilbus should pony up a minimum of 50 perk points for starting this thread.
Once a player has ever been charged perk points for whining, then their BBS posting privileges are suspended unless they have at least 100 perk points in reserve to cover the costs of potential whines (at least 500 if their sig contains the letters JG).
In the interest of fairness RAM and Mandoble should retroactively be charged 100,000 perkies or so to cover prior whining.
I nominate Westy and Creamo as the first 2 whining police. May their actions be swift and merciless.
Hooligan
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Had a great furball flight this morning. I saw in quantity Yaks, 109s, P38s, P47s, P51s, La7s, La5s. I saw ONE N1k in 1.5 hours of furballing. That's right, only ONE. So I shot him down. He must have been lonely. Poor little N1k.
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Originally posted by mason22:
shoot more, talk less.
"When you have to choot, choot -- don't talk."
-- Tuco Benedito Pacifico Juan Maria Ramirez
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Hooligan, I'm honored! But I'd just be a depute to the Sherrif Creamo. He's the defacto whine killer. :)
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Originally posted by Hooligan:
Here is my perk system idea.
HTC chooses some BBS monitors. These people have the ability to charge perk points for whining. I believe that Wilbus should pony up a minimum of 50 perk points for starting this thread.
Once a player has ever been charged perk points for whining, then their BBS posting privileges are suspended unless they have at least 100 perk points in reserve to cover the costs of potential whines (at least 500 if their sig contains the letters JG).
In the interest of fairness RAM and Mandoble should retroactively be charged 100,000 perkies or so to cover prior whining.
I nominate Westy and Creamo as the first 2 whining police. May their actions be swift and merciless.
Hooligan
LOL :)
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hehe raub good one.
funny though all ive been seeing lately are p38s and p51s.
maybe because ive been up top alot lately.
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hey wilbus, just a thought. Perhaps you ran across a squad sortie.
we have all seen large groups of identical planes in the air before... and 9 times out of 10 they are a flight from a specific squad or a mission that a bunch of guys joined.
after all, it is much easier to stay together when in the same plane. Perhaps you ran across a nik mission?
lol next thing i see: Perk the B17!! i saw a group of about 20 of them last night!!!!! what a dweeb ride... :D
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N1K is way too slow to be perked.
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AKDejaVu said:
If you're going to discuss it.. you might as well use current numbers:
That's pretty much in line with the December TD. As of 31 Dec, the fighters accounting for the most kills of fighters were: spit9 (10.7%), N1 (9.7%), 51D (8.7%), La7 (8.3%), spit5 (6.6%), and F6F (5.7%). There are 37 fighters counting all subtypes, so here we have 16% of the available planes doing 50% of the damage and, by implication, getting about 50% of the sorties. And of these few planes, the top 4 (spit9, N1, 51D, and La7) clearly dominate with little difference between them. That's 11% of the planes doing 37% of the damage.
I'm a bit puzzled by this. I've only just come back from several months of ReaLife Hell. When I left, the uberNiki was filling the skies. Now, while I still see them every night, they sure don't seem common. My impression is of a thundering herd of spits and La7s, with a leavening of 51s and the odd 38. Near a CV, it's mostly F4Us, F6Fs, and zekes. I note others in this thread also report a big drop in N1 sightings.
So where are all the N1s? For all the damage they do, you'd think we'd see them nearly as much as spits. Sure, spits have a K/D below 1.0, so there's even more of them than their kill totals imply, but the N1's K/D isn't so much above 1.0 that it makes much difference.
My impressions of the relative absence of N1s compared to spits and La7s is of course totally subjective. But so far this camp I haven't even engaged the few I've seen. I can only speculate that N1s must be more common at times when I don't fly. Maybe the Asians and Euros fly it more than those in the US?
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If you are feeling the "Way To Many Niki's/They should Be Perked" blues,may I suggest a tonic that works for me everytime?..Fly a SpitV... :cool:
<PERK THE SPIT V!!!>
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There is exactly one thing an adult should complain about: Something that is under his control, something he can change. It isn't very intelligent to complain to the sun because it burned you; it is really goofy to complain that water gets you wet. And, it is totally dufus to complain about the airplane that others choose to fly.
curly
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Doubt it was a squad mission Loser, may have been that we were attacming their field first and they scrambled a bunch of nikis, a big bunch for sure, then brought them to our field.
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Possible solution is....you are only alowed to have as many deaths as planes were made...like only 200 niki's actually made it up into the air in RL, so in the game, you would only be allowed to have 200 deaths in a niki. And the osty, only 20 made, only 20 deaths allowed. Unfortunalny this wont limit spit's or la7's...but anything to get rid of niki dweebs :D
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I bet that in few months the numbers will be as follow:
1 - SpitV
2 - SpitIX
3 - La7
4 - P51 (this one is also used in jabo missions, so, it is excused).
5 - N1KJ2
6 - Far away, the rest of the planes.
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Originally posted by -ammo-:
In the interest of fairness RAM and Mandoble should retroactively be charged 100,000 perkies or so to cover prior whining
Agree :D
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There should be an automatic charge for having "Spain" listed as "from".
lazs
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Originally posted by rammjagr:
No N1k chutes make it to the ground alive when I am around.
LOL :D
ok sounds fine for me.. im with you :cool:
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Geez.......I don't see a reason to perk anything but the 262. This of course just mho. I don't think the perk craft are that far advanced on some of the later year war craft that aren't perked.
Complaining about them usually places more pilots in their seats. Shoot them down...they'll try another plane. I've flown a N1K several times, handles nice etc, but so do many others in the arena. I don't really see the big deal and "uberness" of a degree that would warrant anything but the 262, because its' of the next generation of fighters being perked.
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I don't see the fuss about the Nikki at all. A T A L L. I don't fly it, I don't die to it a great deal, I don't see that many of them, I just don't get it. If I was in Spitfire or Zero I would laugh at one turning with me. If I am in anything else I just BnZ. Sounds a bit to me like guys not knowing how to keep one at arm's length when necessary.
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Originally posted by Tac:
Hehe, I know the feeling, I have a few pics of entire furballs being nothing but n1ks.
:D
Hmm. Can't be too many of them - according to this thread non one flies 'em! :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by lazs1:
There should be an automatic charge for having "Spain" listed as "from".
lazs
5.5 points from the Canadian judge.
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Wow... A Niki whine.
How very nostalgic.
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...and completely unnecessary. I would put the fear factor about on par with a Spit V- dangerous if you disrespect it, completely manageable otherwise.
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Kieran, thats if you in a 190 or a 109g10 or p51 or la7...aka, planes in which you can RRRUUUNN from it.
Face it in anything else, the n1k will eat you alive if you're not extremely careful (or if the n1k's pilot is new to the game). The n1k's ability to turn, dive & accelerate plus 4 cannons puts it a notch higher than the spitIX in the threat list. It also retains good maneouverability at speeds over 350 (beating the spit from my experience).
Comparing it to a spitV is insulting to the spitV. Its more like a spitIX with the accel of a 205 on wep and the e-retention of an la7.
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Tac, you are dillusionary.
-SW
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>it is totally dufus to complain about the
>airplane that others choose to fly.
Unfortunately, I'd have to disagree. Past history has shown success in whining enough to get a dweeb ride de jour perked. Now that that precident has been established, the whiners know its only a matter of turning up the volume and duration sufficient to exceed HTC's pain threshhold.
Its been done before. Sooner or later it will be done agian.
Regards,
Wab
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Huh, I seem to have been able to fight Nikki's from an F6F before the flight model was revisited on both planes. I'm sorry, I didn't see it then, and I definitely don't see it now.
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the n1k2j was histroically a hellkitty killer. it was a good aircraft one of the best (when it worked and wasn't blown up on the ground). the bigest problem the n1k2j had was torque it had the same effect on new ensighns as did the f4u for the US.
and About the perk system. with all the whining to get things perked (now that whining works) eventually we will all end up in jugs any way. personally I don't think the perk point system should be in the MA only in special arena's. The MA should be open with all the planes allowed and unperked except the jets wich should be resigned to Special arena's.