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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: weazel on January 13, 2003, 09:25:34 PM
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The economy has gone to hell. (http://www.bartcop.com/)
Millions of people have lost their jobs.
Millions of families lost half of their life savings.
Millions of about-to-retire seniors have had to keep working.
The stock market has gone down like Paula Jones.
We donated a spy plane from the future to China, and begged their forgiveness saying we were "sorry," "very sorry," then "very, very sorry," for getting shot down.
Meanwhile, President Weak & Stupid wondered if those fighting men had Bibles...
Enron fat cats were driving one of our submarines and murdered nine Japanese kids.
Bush declared a war against "terra," that will last until the Treasury is completely empty.
Bush said we have to invade Iraq and topple Saddam, but can't explain why.
You can't get on an airplane these days without a Federal reach-around.
The US Constitution says whatever Ashcroft and the alcoholic says it says.
There's a secret, shadow government in place that we're not allowed to ask about.
The press has turned into full-time Bush glorificators.
Clinton continues to be blamed for everything from Pearl Harbor to the Pompeii eruption.
Democratic Senators keep falling out of the sky.
September 11th happened after Dim Son took another month-long vacation.
India and Pakistan almost got into a nuclear exchange
North Korea is threatening us with nuclear blackmail.
...and we have the stupidest president in history.
...and the only thing Bush's paid-for potatos in the American media want to focus on is, "Who was that mystery blonde caught talking to Bill Clinton at that party in Manhattan?"
(http://www.bartcop.com/budance.gif)
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And you believe this crap...
You really are a dweeb....
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Feel free to refute any part of it...but theres no need to call me names.
You've already lost the battle. ;)
Originally posted by Bodhi
And you believe this crap...
You really are a dweeb....
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DETH TO AMREEKA!!!
DETH TO GREAT SATAN BOSH!!!
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who wants an "october revolution" here?
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life was way better when clinton was still the prezz of the US of A!!!
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Originally posted by weazel
The economy has gone to hell. (http://www.bartcop.com/)
Millions of people have lost their jobs.
Millions of families lost half of their life savings.
Millions of about-to-retire seniors have had to keep working.
The stock market has gone down like Paula Jones.
We donated a spy plane from the future to China, and begged their forgiveness saying we were "sorry," "very sorry," then "very, very sorry," for getting shot down.
Meanwhile, President Weak & Stupid wondered if those fighting men had Bibles...
Enron fat cats were driving one of our submarines and murdered nine Japanese kids.
Bush declared a war against "terra," that will last until the Treasury is completely empty.
Bush said we have to invade Iraq and topple Saddam, but can't explain why.
You can't get on an airplane these days without a Federal reach-around.
The US Constitution says whatever Ashcroft and the alcoholic says it says.
There's a secret, shadow government in place that we're not allowed to ask about.
The press has turned into full-time Bush glorificators.
Clinton continues to be blamed for everything from Pearl Harbor to the Pompeii eruption.
Democratic Senators keep falling out of the sky.
September 11th happened after Dim Son took another month-long vacation.
India and Pakistan almost got into a nuclear exchange
North Korea is threatening us with nuclear blackmail.
...and we have the stupidest president in history.
...and the only thing Bush's paid-for potatos in the American media want to focus on is, "Who was that mystery blonde caught talking to Bill Clinton at that party in Manhattan?"
(http://www.bartcop.com/budance.gif)
let me sum this up in a sentence...........
Like father, like son;)
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lol
Nice to see some humorous posts.
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There's something immoral about delegating your ability to think to someone else.
Originally posted by funkedup
DETH TO AMREEKA!!!
DETH TO GREAT SATAN BOSH!!!
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Must say I bit before I saw this troll....
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Originally posted by funkedup
DETH TO AMREEKA!!!
DETH TO GREAT SATAN BOSH!!!
go to russia and see what i'm talking about
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The only part of the original post not true is the line about chimpy being stupid...there's never been a more cunning dirt-bag in the White House in US history.
Originally posted by Bodhi
Must say I bit before I saw this troll....
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how will US of A gonna go to war against iraq if bush's tax cuts were implemented?
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Weazel,
How many of the above events would have been different if Gore had been in office? Would he have managed the crisis of the economy and the crisis of 9/11 any better?
How would HE handle Saddam and North Korea? Would Gore have continued the policies of the Clinton administration? Those policies were not exactly crowned with success, especially considering the fact that the North Koreans continued their nuclear program even after promising The Prez that they would not do so.
"Enron fat cats were driving a submarine and killed 9 Japanese kids." Riigghhtt!! I can definitely see where that would be the President's fault.
The stock market is in a nose dive. Definitely Bush's fault. The devastation of one of our major economic institutions during 9/11 had nothing to do with it, nor did an international depression. The Japanese stock market being in the same shape has no relevance to this situation.
Bush HAS explained why we need to invade Iraq, but you weren't listening.
You certainly can't get on a plane these days without a Federal reach-around, but would any sensible person have it any other way, given the reality of the terrorist attacks. What would you do different?
The U.S. Constitution is constantly being re-interpreted by the court appointees of the current administration and the attorney general. Are you referring to the rulings on the second amendment or to the new law enforcment measures implemented to stem the terrorist attacks? Some changes had to be made. What would you do different, if anything?
The secret shadow government. You keep mentioning that. Where do you get your information? From the Drahain Report? Or are you just BS'ing for effect? Proof, my man, proof...otherwise that just sounds silly.
Conservatives have been complaining for years about liberal bias in the press. Were you one of the liberals who snickered at the absurdity of that complaint? Do you truly believe that they are pro-Bush? Couldn't it be possible that the press, not wanting to divide the country during these turbulent times, have put away their axes to show support for the administrations efforts to make the country more secure?
Clinton. My My. Very little is actually said about him in the press anymore. About the only time you hear anyone complaining about him is here on these boards, which is hardly an earth-shaking or newsworthy event.
Democratic senators keep falling out of the sky. I'm kinda tired, so may you better explain that one to me.
Even when a President takes a vacation he isn't really on vacation. He is still in contact with government and security leaders. Besides, it was a month long vacation.
India and Pakistan did NOT get into a nuclear exchange. They had a border dispute. If there had been an actual nuclear exchange I think the rest of the world would still be talking about it. What this has to do with Bush is beyond me.
North Korea is threatening us with nuclear blackmail. No argument about this. Any president would have his hands full trying to form a plan to handle it. But I strongly suspect that nothing the Bush administration does will satisfy you. How would YOU handle it?
A man you admire once said of George Bush, "Do not underestimate this man." Why do you continue to do so? Offer constructive criticism if you must, but leave off the vitriolic remarks. They cheapen your position.
Shuckins
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...weazel, should you be discovered in the course of your mission, we shall have to disavow all knowledge of you actions...
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Weazle ur totally right
:)
At last an american with common sense.
Bush is a monkey indeed.
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You know when you see pictures of Tony Blair next to George Bush, it reminds me of those 'Man through the Ages' posters with prehistoric man next to modern day Homo Sapien.
Now, don't get me wrong, there has been some great US presidents over the years who have done some great things (Clinton's involvement in NI is often under-stated), but Bush Jnr is hard to take seriously, even compared to Blair. He doesn't fill me with any confidence as the leader of the most powerful nation on Earth. And with people like Rumsfeld behind him, I'm even more worried.
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Originally posted by funkedup
DETH TO AMREEKA!!!
DETH TO GREAT SATAN BOSH!!!
This would almost be amusing but the only people who spell English that badly (on this board at least) are Americans. :D
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An open letter to AlQaeda:
Please kill several thousand rich western europeans immidiately. Prefer that this be done in a load and visually spectacular manner in a large city.
Thank You.
Signed:
Amreeka
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tony blair is a piece of crap
when are yall finally going to get rid of that turd?
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tony blair is a piece of crap
when are yall finally going to get rid of that turd?
Good question, but have you seen the alternative? One is a ginger headed Scotsman who drinks like a Bedouin fish and the other is a non-entity, leading a party with no policies worthy of the 21st century. I expect Blair will win the election in 2005 and then give up leadership of the labour party - perhaps then there will be change.
Personally, I think Blair is an improvement on Major, but that's not saying much.
BTW, he wasn't a turd when he was running around the world trying to whip up support for the attack on Afghanistan. I think he's as pro-American as Thatcher ever was, and at least he's a warm blooded Homo Sapien, unlike dear old Maggie ().
Anyway, British politics is all spin and no substance these days. And corporate interests have begun to creep in, a la America. The days of the nation state are numbered, I'm afraid. But I digress...
An open letter to AlQaeda:
Please kill several thousand rich western europeans immidiately. Prefer that this be done in a load and visually spectacular manner in a large city.
Thank You.
Signed:
Amreeka
Normal service has been resumed, sorry for any inconvenience:
"Be warned, criticise our President and I will wish death on you and yours, in a way that will be suitable for broadcast on CNN. In my mercy."
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The Stock Market was due to crash. It was a bubble set to burst. As much as I dislike Bush cant see that being attributed to him. 911 was the catallyst that set off the Economic downfall.
Shuckins: Bush has explained, But you cant take his explanation seriously as neither can the Bulk of the Worlds leaders take it seriously. Now Blair is saying give them more time for inspections and that invasion is not guarantied.
Now the White House is starting to ease off and doing alot of posturing giving themselves an out if they dont invade.
Blair has stated: If we find evidence that Iraq has WMD that invasion is certain.....I thought they had that evidence.
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Dowding criticize Bush all you want but I hope, as I detailed above, that you will soon be able to do it with some added perspective...
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That's an extremely obtuse thing to say.
"I hope there's another terrorist attack, killing thousands of Europeans this time, just to justify my outrageously reactionary opinions as expressed on a computer game BBS."
Pathetic.
BTW, it's your particular 'perspective' that this 'War on Terrorism' is supposed to be fighting.
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It's the eay I see it Dowding, whetrh I express it here or in real life conversations, you europeans all have it so easy to ridicule him for the way hes trying to fight them after 911- it's just comedy to you with no real consequences. But just wait....
But I'm not sayiong it will happend of course, why on earth would AlQaeda waste theit time killing abosuletly pointless europeans - in fact pne can argue that your welfare systems are a key source of support for their operatives.
And actually Dowding does:
"Those Al-Queda suspects with the ricin poison were assylum seekers, apparently, living off of government handouts. I should think they will get legal aid."
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Grun...what about the Americans that criticize him?
Seems a whole lot dont want him for prez next term.
Oh yes as well: Reagan and his Lackey GWB Sr. trained and funded Osama Bin Laden at the very start.
Blaming European Welfare for his funding is misguided.
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I dont really care that anytone criticize him. Doesnt mean that I dont often disagree with the criticizm of course be they Americans or not.
I am just saddend that our european friends are so quick to criticize us when they honestly dont remember any more what it's like to be anation under foreiegn attack.
All my BS insults and attacks aside I really think thats a fair concern to raise.
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Ping there is nothing wrong with funding your allies, why it any defense of them that Bin Landen or for that matter Hussein betrayed us? In fact doesnt that justify our outrage even more?
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They are Nations under attack. Britain has had bombings from the IRA for Decades. Spain has the Basque. France...well Its France.
Ricin is being found in production in London. Gemany is rounding up Al Q.
How many different Nationalities Died in the WTC?
We all lost People in those buildings Grun. They struck out at Western Civilization, hence the WTC.
Funding and defending your allies is OK if they are Known terrorist orginizations?
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Going after Saddam is Questionable. The Bush Administration is not willing to forward any definable proof.
Not even willing to supply such to UN Weapons inspectors.
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...you europeans all have it so easy to ridicule him for the way hes trying to fight them after 911...
We do have it easy, mainly because he makes it so easy. And if it weren't for 911, I think there'd be a lot less support in the US for Bush. Perhaps many Americans grit their teeth and put up with him and support their country - because that is the right thing to do. Bush happens to be at the top at the moment, but to them that is a irrelevant considering the wider picture. Perhaps many Americans are also afraid of speaking out against Bush for fear of looking un-American - afterall, there are people like you out there who are ready to throw that accusation around without any thought whatsoever.
I don't think Bush is a world leader or has many statesman like qualities compared to previous Presidents (he's no Roosevelt). He might have alienated the entire Western world, instead of uniting it if it weren't for Blair. And I'm not saying that out of any love for Blair or jingoism on my part.
Hopefully soon, the US will throw that clown out of office and elect someone to do the country justice on the global scene.
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Of course Gscholz you guys would not dare to get in their way...
Clearly europe is just not that important anymore in the world - the focus in the future is tending towards the USA and Asia. Europe seems happy in relegating itself to position as place of quaint holidays and luxury kninck-knacks - combime that with your ageing and dropping poulations, save potential Alqaeda asylum seekers, Europe is in decline.
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double post
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IIRC your overall population is ageing and birth rates are dropping, if you exclude AlQaeda trainees and other immigrants it's falling... So there are less and less europeans in europe.
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Same here GScholz. Land prices have rocketed simply because of the population pressures.
BTW, Grunherz - many immigrants into Britain are from your sordid little corner of the world. And 90% of them are sent packing as bogus fraudsters.
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Of course Gscholz you guys would not dare to get in their way...
Clearly europe is just not that important anymore in the world - the focus in the future is tending towards the USA and Asia. Europe seems happy in relegating itself to position as place of quaint holidays and luxury kninck-knacks - combime that with your ageing and dropping poulations, save potential Alqaeda asylum seekers, Europe is in decline.
ROFLMAO!
Dont drink more...
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I know dowding, do you think I like that?
And about the population statistics:
Just a random google search result...
http://www.mzes.uni-mannheim.de/eurodata/newsletter/no3/nl3_efi.html
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Grun,
your utterly vapid statements about europe and utter failure to comprehend why middle class saudi businessmen start private armies and murder civilians amuse me enormously but otherwise only spell out your idiocy in mile high letters of fire.
Bin Laden did not 'betray' US. Western Nations funded him and then cut off money. He now wants to bit the hands that fed him, it would seem.
Europe is not shrinking it is growing.
Europe is as much an important part of the world as any other part you dunce.
I mean, how did you work that out? Did you use the Feltzmann-Staines algorithm to compare comparative national influence? Did you remember to apply the polyglot nation transform? I think not.
Europe is a target for international terrorism as much as the USA. It is a great deal easier to infiltrate for a start.
And Europe has been a hotbed of international terrorism for some time, as well as state sponsored terrorism, local terrorism, and long distance terrorism too.
You don't need to write a letter to Al Quaeda and wish for the deaths of several thousand europeans either Grun, although I realise you get wood just thinking about it. It will happen as long as there are people with heavy duty grievances who are being ignored.
Terrorists don't become terrorists because of the pay, the perks or the health insurance. They may be fanatical (mentally ill), brainwashed, desperate, poor, oppressed, any number or combination of things. But you rarely get well off two car families turning to terrorism so they can all get to Antigua for free or stop the neighbours from playing their music so loud.
British readers may recognise the following ethic:
"Tough on Terrorism, Tough on the Causes of Terrorism".
It's trite (which is better than vapid), but if it is possible to establish reliable indicators, predictors and possibly even causes of terrorism, then it is possible to deal with it.
You can terminate with extreme prejudice all the terrorists you want, won't make a jot of difference, other than building up the fanaticism of their brethren. (And making you hard Grun).
I would like to see an overall reduction in the amount of violent death generally, and I believe constructive long term policies of sharing resources and wealth are the only way forward.
The problems with that sentiment are the notions of 'long term policies' and 'sharing wealth and resources'.
Long term policies are a problem when politicos only look to the next election, and have real trouble seeing beyond their own career.
Sharing wealth and resources on an international scale, seems to be an abhorrent notion to many people.
So Grun, be careful what you wish for. Thousands of Europeans may die, but the might be nuked whilst attending a conference in your hometown...
(oh and please don't assume:
- I support Bin Laden
- I support Terrorists
- I am anti-US
- Any other automatic assumptions you make about ppl who disagree with you
unless it's too much bother for your grey cells, in which case go ahead.)
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Funny you take so much joy in making fun of us, but then are so completley and genuinely shocked when somebody here takes offense and belittles you...
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I know dowding, do you think I like that?
I don't know, but you implied that most assylum seekers from Al-Queda linked countries (Afghanistan I suppose).
Around where I live, most are Kosovars or Albanian. The only thing that stops me despising them all, is the knowledge that some of them genuinely do need help and should stay. Sadly, they are a minority. It's a shame there is not way to sort the wheat from the chaff a little more cost effectively.
Funny you take so much joy in making fun of us, but then are so completley and genuinely shocked when somebody here takes offense and belittles you...
Who's this 'us'? Making fun of Bush isn't 'anti-American'. Making fun of you isn't 'anti-American'. America is a diverse culture with people of many different viewpoints, so don't pretend there is some great collective Borg-like conscience. I have nothing against Americans - they are great people and are capable of great things. I just think the majority of the current administration is a waste of space (except maybe Colin Powell, who seems a very switched on character).
You always retort perceived 'attacks on America' (which they aren't) with a blunt attack on Europe that is almost always ill-founded.
There is the difference.
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You get some of the worst and most criminal leeches from our parts. My aunt in Austria was a social worker helping Balkan refugees find work etc. She told me this one story that I remember beause the way she said it was quite funny - anyway one day she was holding a seminar with a new group of refugees and they were asked abuot their skills. Most of them cheerfully admitted they were black marketters, thieves, and crooks.. :(
Thats one of the resons I detest communism so much, far too many ordinary people were forced to become such systematic criminals to provide their families.. But thats getting beside the topic I guess.
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Gscholz I am well aware that the Usa is the great satan... So i agree with bounder's idea there 100%.. :rolleyes:
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ZZzzzz
like it or not ( I like it :)), we have the BEST man that ran for the Office in the Office
National events would not have happened differently if someone else was sitting in the White House and I don't believe the aftermaths would have been handled as well
weaz
pls continue your bush bashing with your european supporters <--- sounds like some sort underwear :)
back to my nap
ZZzzz
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Originally posted by GScholz
Eagler, are you the Eagle driver, or was that Eagl?
that would be Eagl sir, I drive a Honda :)
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'You Europeans', Grunherz? And you are? :)
Your ethnic origin doesn't change with your citizenship.
And I should add that while the EU has resulted in much misery, it's also created a quite potent force. I don't think the US worst competitor is China, Russia or some other country. In a hundred years or so, I think we can see Europe as economically more powerful than the USA. I mean we got 300 million people using the same currency now.
Europe in decline? I see it as Europe rising. Unfortunately, the EU isn't that good. Damned French with their support of their farmers means 45% of the total budget goes to ridiculous support for farmers growing crops that can't be sold (or in some cases, cannot be *grown*).
At any rate. Europe and the USA are allies. We're friends. We're constantly trying to best each other. That doesn't mean that our fundamental values are any different however. And that's worth taking note of.
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You mean the most rabid supporter of capitalism is a former Commie?
JK Grun :)
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Yep Im from the great yugoslavia... :D
I was a little communist pioneer, the last generation even, blue hat, red bandana, and this cool little red and gold enamled star.. Lokk what a fanatic they made me... :)
I didnt get my hared of communism by watching 1950s US cold war movies....
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Heheh Grunherz, you know I like you, so don't take this as a flame. Your understandable hatred for communism has lead to a reaction to the other side. Sometimes your contempt is blinding you.
I cannot blame you though. And am happy you've made a good life for yourself in the US. Might visit you there this summer or the next when I'm going USA-cruising.
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Didnt take as flame. I dont hide my "commie" past- in fact I am very loud abot every turn I get. :D
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I don't believe all people from the Balkans are scum Grunherz. On the contrary, many have settled in other countries and done great, positive things there. Those are the people I welcome with open arms and money from my taxes. I like honest, hard working people no matter where they come from.
But too many are criminals who do nothing for my society but subvert it. They also do nothing for their own people - they bring girls from back home and force them into prostitution, for instance. We have enough problems of our own.
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Of course not Dowding, but there are just so many otherwise decent family people accustomed to lives of crime and deciet by living in the constraints of a communist planned economy.
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smells like weazle bait!
No thnx!
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I really get a kick out of posts like the first one. Never mind that the big problems had all begun under the Clinton administration, and only became public under bush.
It's great watching the liberals try and find SOMETHING(ANYTHING PLEASE?!) to blame on bush and have it stick. Hint: It's not working, try something else.
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LOL all these little people from little countries like to pick on the big dog.
Just remember that at any time the big dog can hike his leg and piss on you all!!!!
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Croatia and left just a year before the war. I lived near Vukovar and at other times on the Adriatic coast.
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Bush team blames Clinton for N. Korea crisis. (http://www.bartcop.com/)
If it's bad, blame Clinton. If it's good Reagan or Dubya did it.
Click Here (http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/story.hts/nation/1732955)
Excerpt:
A senior Bush administration official suggested Saturday that the nuclear crisis with North Korea was the predictable result of a flawed 1994 agreement signed by the Clinton administration with Pyongyang that "frontloaded all the benefits and left the difficult things to the end" -- for the next president.
The comments marked a sharp change of direction from the administration's insistence that only North Korea was to blame for the crisis. Last week, Colin Powell gave "great credit" to Clinton for freezing North Korea's plutonium enrichment program with the 1994 Framework.
ha ha
"Bush team blames Clinton?"
That ain't no headline.
"Bush takes responsibility"- now that's a headline.
BAD CLINTON.....BAD BAD BAD! Time for another victory dance!
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"Couldn't it be possible that the press, not wanting to divide the country during these turbulent times?"
Your kidding right?
It would be too easy to bring up several pages of links of the rabid right wing press causing division in the country...you have seen all the left-liberal = bad, right-conservative = good gibberish from the media haven't you? Just watch Faux News for a nightly example.
If that isn't causing division what would you call it?
Groinhurtz:
"I am just saddend that our european friends are so quick to criticize us when they honestly dont remember any more what it's like to be anation under foreiegn attack.
Think Smeagol Think!
Do you recall the out-pouring of sympathy and outrage from around the world and especially europe after 9/11?
Who pissed away that support with his posturing and ill thought out foriegn policy.....chimpy, that's who.
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Originally posted by Dowding
Good question, but have you seen the alternative? One is a ginger headed Scotsman who drinks like a Bedouin fish and the other is a non-entity, leading a party with no policies worthy of the 21st century. I expect Blair will win the election in 2005 and then give up leadership of the labour party - perhaps then there will be change.
Personally, I think Blair is an improvement on Major, but that's not saying much.
BTW, he wasn't a turd when he was running around the world trying to whip up support for the attack on Afghanistan. I think he's as pro-American as Thatcher ever was, and at least he's a warm blooded Homo Sapien, unlike dear old Maggie ().
Anyway, British politics is all spin and no substance these days. And corporate interests have begun to creep in, a la America. The days of the nation state are numbered, I'm afraid. But I digress...
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it would be very unlike blair to ever give up any sort of power vouluntarily. a lot U.S. dems hoped clinton would step out when it was in the party's interest...
you're better off w/ villiage idiot as PM that a clever criminal. whats wrong w/ a scot who drinks? i worry about one that doesn't (see churchill/chamberlain)
he was a turd when he was running around the world trying to whip up support for the attack on Afghanistan. such arnold kissing/toadyism is out of line for the PM. it was tough to watch, as i was so embarassed for you.
((greenhart: w/ your name, i wouldn't admit to croatitude. will lead to many nazi-wannabe comments))
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Just to keep it short and civil, and all name calling aside, I believe GWB is a thoroughly admirable person, and I'm so thankful he, and not Al Gore, is my president, now.:D
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slimm, you a big CCR fan?
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Weazel has worn out three keyboards! ;)
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Weazel,
You can find almost anything posted on the net. Much of it is one-sided. If you search long enough, you can find information to back up any position, no matter how indefensible it may be.
"There are lies; damned lies; and statistics."
I don't watch Fox News very often. From what I HAVE seen I can say that their political commentaries are no more biased than those of Phil Donahue. These things seem to balance themselves out.
You don't serve your side well by finding fault with every viewpoint held by the opposition. Bush isn't right about everything. Clinton wasn't wrong about everything. Only rational arguments are worthwhile.
Shuckins
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
why on earth would AlQaeda waste theit time killing abosuletly pointless europeans
Oh well, good old grun.
Former european, present american wannabe, eating apple pie and so on. So, I've asked this before and I ask it now again; when you are going to say what on earth happened to you that made you such idiotic europe-hater and so US wannabe? Really? Tell us, we'll understand, speak, it'll make you feel better...
;)
Vector
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Originally posted by whgates3
slimm, you a big CCR fan?
When I was in high school CCR was my fav group. I think I still have every one of their albums in my garage somewhere.:cool:
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I just thought "it came out of the sky" was pretty appropriate for the way I fly in AH.
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I only watch two news programs...McNeil/Lehrer and BBC World.
McNeil/Lehrer is conservative leaning but it doesn't constantly screech "lefty-liberal" in every other sentence.
BBC World is liberal but gives the viewer insight in how the rest of the world percieves the United States.
I do get most of my news from the internet as IMO it's the last truly free source of news available in the US...but to tell the truth I can't seem to find many right wing sources that don't scream the same old tired lefty roadkill.
Phil Donahue?
I rate him right up there with Bloatrah Wimpfrey as a credible news source. :D
I only believe in one "side"[/i] in the political spectrum...and that side is America, and what we're supposed to be and stand for....too bad chimpy doesn't stand for the same or I could get behind him.
Sorry Toad, but this MS Internet keyboard is over 2 years old....best thing Microsloth has ever sold. ;)
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...it would be very unlike blair to ever give up any sort of power vouluntarily.
Not if you know there was an alledged agreement between Blair and Gordon Brown (current Chancellor of the Exchequer) that Blair would be leader of the party and then hand over the reigns after x number of years/terms. I think it will be interesting to see if that happens.
Regarding Blair's shuttle diplomacy - Blair had to get in with Bush. He's a left-wing politician and very close friend of Clinton - to maintain any sort of relationship with America it was important to get on the right footing, even if it did mean Bush could stay at home and use Blair as an envoy. And yes, it was embarrassing.
Now, if Bush had not been swayed by Blair to go the UN route (and swayed he was - you only need to look at the rhetoric of a year ago compared to now), I don't think things would be going very smoothly at all right now, in terms of world politics.
At least something positive came out of that toadying.
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Originally posted by Dowding
At least something positive came out of that toadying.
I wasn't there, you didn't see me and you can't prove a thing.
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like it or not ( I like it ), we have the BEST man that ran for the Office in the Office
Like it or not, there's a good chance that G.W.'s brother "fixed" the election for him. If we ever uncover evidence that he did, then G.W. should be removed from office and his brother prosecuted.
G.W. is an idiot. The things that the terrorists did are really scary, but it's what G.W. might do in retaliation that scares me even more. If/until the inspectors uncover "real" evidence that Iraq has these weapons, attacking is "really" going to piss off not only the Arab world, but a lot of the world period.
You people who rattle their sabres and say "nuke em all" are truly dangerous. Take a look at the big picture and what the future could hold if things get out of hand. There's a lot more to it than meets the eye.
On a similar note, someone needs to develope an alternate energy source besides oil. They probably already have, but the oil companies are squashing it because it would put them out of business. Just think, if we didn't need oil anymore, we really wouldn't give a crap about what went on in the Middle East. If there were no demand for oil, they would all be riding camels again and playing in their big sand box.
I'm done(for now).
Stony
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slimm, you ever consider Fortunate Son?
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Originally posted by whgates3
slimm, you ever consider Fortunate Son?
Heheheh...smooth.. I give ya credit fer slippin that in..well done. Yes I've considered that, and my feeling on that is: so what if Bush the elder did use his influence and/or connections to get his son into the Guard (and I'm not convinced he did)? How many fathers would've done differently if they could? That wasn't Junior's fault. At least he served in the miltary in some capacity. He's a man who seems capable of learning from his mistakes,a nd making himself into someone better for having made them. (now I sound like I'm rambling, so enuff for now).
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I wasn't there, you didn't see me and you can't prove a thing.
:D
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But deserting his unit in time of war WAS his fault...but I'm sure you have an excuse for that too. :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by weazel
But deserting his unit in time of war WAS his fault...but I'm sure you have an excuse for that too. :rolleyes:
How did he desert his unit? Are you saying anyone who has to stay behind when their unit goes to th battlefield is a deserter or slacker? It happens all the time. I know a fellow who was a pilot in WWII who spent the entire war ferrying generals and such from Hawaii to the mainland and back. I don't regard him as a slacker or deserter. Look at Bob Hoover's record. He had to try every trick in the book just to get into a combat squadron, and if the war had ended much earlier he never would've made it into one. So, just because GW's unit went, and some, including him, stayed behind doesn't make him or the others less patriotic, in my view.:)
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Bush's unit did not deploy, IIRC.
This whole thing is extremely similar to the "Draft Dodger" Clinton charges. I suspect it has the same effect on the "opposition", too.
That is to say no one is changing their mind in this thread. As we saw with Clinton, the charges are easy, the proof is much more difficult.
But do carry on. Spleen venting is definitely a good spectator sport.
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Chimpys a deserter. (http://wearepower.org/pipermail/natlpower/2002-October/000556.html)
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Vector:
I want europe to be strong and decisive like it was before they they became these relativist rutabagas entirely too intellectual, contemplative and thoughtful for their own good. Kick some bellybutton for god's stand up for something besides some weak pointless ideas. Thats why AlQaeda just doesnt really care about killing europeans, and if AlQeada isnt trying to kill your people then you are doing enough good in the world. Now thats a joke but think about it for a little bit. I just percieve Europe as being weak and not willing to stand up to murders and keep their lofty ideals like "never again" in the face of opposition. They could have saved so many lives in my country if they were more decisive and strong - but of course nothing significant happend until the USA and also UK got pissed after Srebrenica joint Serb/UN massacre of 10,000 civilans.
Wiezelle:
Yes I know bush is is stinky little thief who stole your preciuss. I'm starting to think wiezelle is really Al Gore turned into Gollum and he is trying to get his preciousss ellection back.. :(
Gscholz.
We left as a familiy with my father coming out to the USA in 1987 and the rest of us in 1989.
Croatians are bums like the rest except the Slovenes, who despite being a bunch of gay little sissies :), are really very smart and succesful people.
We hated the UN because you imposed a cease fire only after the serbs captured 1/3 of our country. Flying into split airport you were dodging AAA fire from those very serbs as they he effectivly cut the country in half at the bend - their lines of farthest concquest protected by UN cease fire...
Vukovar is in the north-eastern part of Croatia just on the Serb border, it became known as the Croatian Stalingrad because the Serbs encircled the city and pretty much destroyed everything. Some of my uncles were patients in the Vukovar hospital when the serbs cleared it out - they were never seen again. Actually our guys came that close to starting big attacks of the UN out of desperation so you would leave and that we could take back our territory.
But then in summer 1995 the serbs went to far and with help of Dutch warcriminals theyt murdered 10,000 muslim civialns in Srebrenica. The USA then helped us plan an offensive that routed the serbs along with US/UK bombing and liberated the last 1/3 of our land and then combined with bosnian forces and helped liberate much of their territory.
I know you said you were a UN soldier there in 1995, what were your experieces with this period?
whgates:
Im croatian and I see no reason to hide it, I like my little old country even though its pretty useless and utterly unimportant now and were all bums. :D As for my name well, I took it rather randomly when I started playing Janes WW2 fighters because I just bought then the Prien/Rodieke Bf109 book that had JG54 109s on the cover. If because of that and my croatian background somebody wants to call me a nazi, well thats their issue to work out not mine... :)
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Nuculer, that pretty much says it all.
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With all due respect Grünherz.
I think you've mistaken the more black and white world in the USA for 'decisiveness' and 'balls' and what have you not. American culture reflects this binary mode of thinking and you've bought it full out.
The lack of action you critizise can stem from an understanding that the world is a shade of grey. The 'never again' feeling will impose itself in the national psyche when something terrible has happened twice in less than 30 years.
Europe has been gearing up to be an economic, not military, superpower. In the coming decades I think we'll see a Europe becoming more closely knit together and incrementally more powerful. The US will not be the only big player on the field. No powerful civilization has lasted for particularly long and it seems change accelerates at the same pace as technological and societal advance.
From what I can gather from your posts you're a bit like a smoker that has quit - adament about how bad smoking is and how much better it is not to. Or perhaps more describing - a love affair. The lost love is seen in less than a flattering light and the newfound one through the rosen red glass of love.
I should also note that there are several instances when European nations have sent in troops to either restore order or recapture occupied territory. I also think it'd be dishonest of you to blame Europe for what happened in Yugoslavia - Germans, Danes, Swedes, Portuguise - none of them held the guns and comitted the atrocities. Too little was done, but you must remember who the trigger pullers were.
And what happened in Yugoslavia was nothing compared to what happened in WWI and WWII - and Yugoslavia was really BAD. That explains 'never again'.
You're quite biased and quite honestly I don't think you're in an emotional state to see things objectively. And you deserve me saying so for all the emotions you've let out. While I emphatizes with you I do not think broad generalisations and name calling is particularly beneficial.
Just try to put a hold on your worst outburst of name calling bro. it makes you look like a mindless idiot and I know from talking to you and reading many of your posts that you're anything but that. I liked you better when you used your brain more than your heart.
But then again, I'm a cold 'never again' indecesive European popsicle (yeah, it anoyes me to be called a popsicle). I don't mind you bringing up concrete issues describing what's wrong with Europe, but just saying 'yer rutabagas' is far below what your cognitive abilities can produce.
At any rate, just my opinion. Consider me a friendly European with some constructive suggestions :).
:D
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Originally posted by StSanta
Consider me a friendly European with some constructive suggestions :).
:D
Oxymoron!! :)
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Grunherz does black white thinkin.
thanks santa to explain.
I'm dutch so i am a war criminal
:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Eagler
that would be Eagl sir, I drive a Honda :)
show your honda and i show my acura:p :D :)
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isnt an acura just an overpriced honda?
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Santa:
I'm pissed at european community because they didnt do more and it took the USA to finally end it. Let me put it this way, dont you think it was shameful that it took the USA, yet again, to end that war and that the final negotiations for a EUROPEAN civil war and genocide attewmpt had to be done Dayton, Ohio smack dab in the middle of the US of diddlyin A...
Or look at Kosovo again, what on earth could have the Euros done without US leadership. Nothing, excpet talk and talk and wring their hands while yet another civilan population was terrorized and deported and put through the fires of yet another genocide.
My problem with Europe is not so much hatred or even a matter of my greater appreciation of the USA, but its out of a desire for my old home to become strong and decisive again - not having to wait for the USA to lead them in every difficult decision. Thats why I say you should, collectivly, grow some balls.
As for my issue with Dutch UN guys I call them warcriminals because the Dutch UN commander was having drinks and toasting with the Serb Commander while his troops were helping the serbs seperate men from women and watching the serbs take them on busses, 10,000 or so were killed. BTW Srebrenica was a UN safe area and UN propaganda thus drew in those thousands under the pretense of security - thye second the serbs showed up in numbers the Dutch UN gave up any idea of protecting the innnocent refugess and wanted to save their own asses. Thats understandable of course, but you can see why thats somewhat of a problem when you are a soldier supposedly commited to guard lives of innocents with your own. It was just Shameful that they didnt even put up a fight, it was perhaps even more shameful that the greater Euro and UN community didnt do more just before. Naturally after that the USA got pissed and natuarrly soon after US got pissed the problem somehow got solved in short order.
Gscholz.
I went back in 1990 the summer a year just before the war and there was allready talk of war among the people. I also went back in 1996, have not been back since.
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Originally posted by weazel
Chimpys a deserter. (http://wearepower.org/pipermail/natlpower/2002-October/000556.html)
LOL - ken bensten - LOL
what hasbeen pol doesn't have kids in congress?...maybe we should save some trouble & make congressional seats hereditary
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Grunherz - I have posted over and over agin that your misconceptions about Srebrenica are just that. I could dig them up again, but what would be the point? You have yet to answer the points raised.
The key points are that when the safe haven plans were drawn up the requirement was for 35,000 troops. Only a maximum of 6000 were ever deployed, and at the end only 3000 Dutch were in place.
The Dutch commander had been given no intel about the surrounding area or about the capabilities of the Serb forces.
There was no provision for air support.
To blame the troops on the ground is a disservice at best. They were put in an impossible situation and asked to do an impossible job. I don't believe American or British troops could have succeeded in those circumstances. Any blame should be placed squarely on the upper eschelons of the UN.
As for leadership of the Kosovo Mission - I think you'll find it was British troops that spearheaded the campaign. I also seem to remember British troops forming the largest contingent.
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How is any of that an excuse for them just standing by and letting the serbs select and murder some 10,000 civilians under their protection? It was their responsibility to protect those thousands of civilans under their charge, instead they did nothing, well not quite nothing. The Dutch commander Karemans IIRC even had drinks with the serb general while this was going on.
You cannot make exises for a warcrime of that magnitude....
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Quote:
"They were put in an impossible situation and asked to do an impossible job. "
Gee, that's usually sufficient to slam the United States and it's Armed Forces. But WTH, this is another one of those dumb-ass Leftie whine-and-screech threads.
Who gives a s***............
Cabby
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I agree Gszolz I go too far the way I put it, no doubt about. The whole thing was just such a disgrace - it makes mr so sad and so angry and was so typical for some of the resons I resent the UN and many European indecisve attitudes.
And I should know well enough what the Dutch UN did there was inexusable and shameful to such an extent that it does not need any exxageration on my part, but god do I hate what they did and it hurts me so much because I could esily imagine some of my family or bosnian friends being those refugees.
Gsczolz one of the most painful things I heard about this incident was that Dutch troops did actally help seperate the men, what do you know about this? Is it true or a myth?
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Here it is and there are others..
Mladic is far left, Karemmans is second from right.
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Originally posted by Cabby44
Quote:
"They were put in an impossible situation and asked to do an impossible job. "
Gee, that's usually sufficient to slam the United States and it's Armed Forces. But WTH, this is another one of those dumb-ass Leftie whine-and-screech threads.
Who gives a s***............
Cabby
it remind me of this old wise man living in the montaign who speak one time a year to the villagers but none can undertand him.
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Same old, Cabby, same old...
But then again, I guess Srebrenica does have parallels with Somalia. No air support, wishy-washy, one-hand-behind-our-backs Mission: Impossible brief etc.
In both cases I'd blame the administrations in question, not the ground forces for the failures...
You are wrong on all accounts Dowding.
Really? My information comes from the report into the disaster and the mission that DutchBat (the Dutch UN contingent) were detaied to do.
The original estimate for Srebrenica requirements WAS 35,000. UN forces on the ground never approached that or exceeded 6,000. In the weeks prior to that, UN strength was only 3,500. Do you deny that?
If you can, refute these excerpts from the official enquiry:
"Humanitarian motivation and political ambitions drove the Netherlands to undertake an ill-conceived and virtually impossible peace mission.
Dutchbat had to keep the peace where there was no peace.
All the warring factions were guilty of gross violence.
[Srebrenica failures were] more the fault of the inadequate resources and the policy of the United Nations.
Dutchbat grew less and less able to carry out its task.
The military balance of power was such that, without outside support, Dutchbat would have been defenceless in a serious confrontation.
There was not only an incapacity but also a deliberate attempt by the army to, contrary to the wishes of the [defence] minister, to limit the flow of information and, where possible, to avoid sensitive issues.
The battalion command received limited information... "
On the question of air strikes; did you also know that the commander of UNPROFOR rejected requests for air strikes from the local Dutch commander on no less than 5 occasions?
I don't deny Srebrenica was an unmitigated disaster for the UN. I don't doubt that you know more about Bosnia than me, but you can't fly in the face of the facts. From these facts, the blame has to be ultimately placed on those not in Srebrenica (although some blame must be aportioned there); the Dutch Army high command, the UNPROFOR upper echelons and the UN itself.
The mission was porked from the beginning.
(BTW, GScholz - I've challenged you in the Ladder competition -prepare to defend yourself, sir! :D)
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Let me save you the trouble of responding again...
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All you need to add now is a Clinton remark.....pathetic.
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Originally posted by weazel
Let me save you the trouble of responding again...
dumb-ass Leftie, blah, blah, blah. dumb-ass Leftie, blah, blah, blah.dumb-ass Leftie, blah, blah, blah. dumb-ass Leftie, blah, blah, blah. dumb-ass Leftie, blah, blah, blah. dumb-ass Leftie, blah, blah, blah. dumb-ass Leftie, blah, blah, blah. dumb-ass Leftie, blah, blah, blah.dumb-ass Leftie, blah, blah, blah.dumb-ass Leftie, blah, blah, blah.dumb-ass Leftie, blah, blah, blah.dumb-ass Leftie, blah, blah, blah.dumb-ass Leftie, blah, blah, blah.dumb-ass Leftie, blah, blah, blah.dumb-ass Leftie, blah, blah, blah.dumb-ass Leftie, blah, blah, blah.dumb-ass Leftie, blah, blah, blah.dumb-ass Leftie, blah, blah, blah.dumb-ass Leftie, blah, blah, blah.dumb-ass Leftie, blah, blah, blah.dumb-ass Leftie, blah, blah, blah.dumb-ass Leftie, blah, blah, blah.dumb-ass Leftie, blah, blah, blah.dumb-ass Leftie, blah, blah, blah.dumb-ass Leftie, blah, blah, blah.dumb-ass Leftie, blah, blah, blah.dumb-ass Leftie, blah, blah, blah.dumb-ass Leftie, blah, blah, blah.dumb-ass Leftie, blah, blah, blah.dumb-ass Leftie, blah, blah, blah.
All you need to add now is a Clinton remark.....pathetic.
LOL!!!
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Originally posted by weazel
All you need to add now is a Clinton remark.....pathetic.
This coming from a guy whose sole persuit in life seems to be posting endless outrageous BBS attacks on Bush...
What tragic irony... :rolleyes:
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About my post to start the thread smeagol?
Whats the matter, you can't refute the truth in it?
You add almost as much to the thread as cabby does....nothing of importance.
Heil Chimpler! :D
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If we could all learn from you when it comes to adding value to a thread... :p
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you are dearly lovin the downfall of bush arent you weazel
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President Weak and Stupid Appeaser's chickens are coming home to roost...just like I predicted after the election. :D
Originally posted by lord dolf vader
you are dearly lovin the downfall of bush arent you weazel
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Did someone say Bill Clinton?
Hillary Clinton dies and goes to Heaven where she meets St. Peter. She notices that there are clocks everywhere. She asks St. Peter why are there so many clocks here. St. Peter tells her that each clock represents a person on earth and that every time a person tells a lie, the clock ticks off one second.
St. Peter explains that the one clock has never moved because it belonged to Mother Theresa and she never told a lie her whole life. The next clock belonged to Abraham Lincoln and since he only told two lies his whole life, only two seconds had clicked. Hillary asks, "Where is Bill's clock?"
St. Peter says, "Bill's clock is upstairs in God's office. He's using it as a fan."
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Weazel,
Love your user name by the way. Very appropriate. A small, bloodthirsty predator.
In reference to your remark about the"non-election." Weren't the Gore people the ones who initiated legal action in the courts to force a recount? Didn't they realize what a crap-shoot that was? ANYTHING can happen in an ?American courtroom. Did they expect the Republicans to roll over and play dead? Even if they had won their case in the Florida courts, there was certain to be an appeal to the Supreme Court.
If you initiate that type of legal action and then lose you have no reason to complain about the opposition winning. Besides, neither side should be guaranteed an unlimited number of recounts, just they don't like the outcome of the election. Gore could have bowed out with dignity, and thus preserved his chances at a successful challenge in 2004. But he blew it.
Shuckins
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i resent your defamation of mustelids, specificly the weasel, as bloodthirsty. that particular mustelid is an omnivore, and is not bloodthirsty, but happens to eat meat occasionally, as i'd bet, you do & probably in much greater amounts because you probably outweight the average weasel by about 80 kilos, but have i called you bloodthirsty?
nooooooooooooooooooooooooo
i suggest you pick on cats (carnivore), bats or mosquitoes
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Originally posted by bounder
Grun,
your utterly vapid statements about europe and utter failure to comprehend why middle class saudi businessmen start private armies and murder civilians amuse me enormously but otherwise only spell out your idiocy in mile high letters of fire.
Bin Laden did not 'betray' US. Western Nations funded him and then cut off money. He now wants to bit the hands that fed him, it would seem.
Europe is not shrinking it is growing.
Europe is as much an important part of the world as any other part you dunce.
I mean, how did you work that out? Did you use the Feltzmann-Staines algorithm to compare comparative national influence? Did you remember to apply the polyglot nation transform? I think not.
Europe is a target for international terrorism as much as the USA. It is a great deal easier to infiltrate for a start.
And Europe has been a hotbed of international terrorism for some time, as well as state sponsored terrorism, local terrorism, and long distance terrorism too.
You don't need to write a letter to Al Quaeda and wish for the deaths of several thousand europeans either Grun, although I realise you get wood just thinking about it. It will happen as long as there are people with heavy duty grievances who are being ignored.
Terrorists don't become terrorists because of the pay, the perks or the health insurance. They may be fanatical (mentally ill), brainwashed, desperate, poor, oppressed, any number or combination of things. But you rarely get well off two car families turning to terrorism so they can all get to Antigua for free or stop the neighbours from playing their music so loud.
British readers may recognise the following ethic:
"Tough on Terrorism, Tough on the Causes of Terrorism".
It's trite (which is better than vapid), but if it is possible to establish reliable indicators, predictors and possibly even causes of terrorism, then it is possible to deal with it.
You can terminate with extreme prejudice all the terrorists you want, won't make a jot of difference, other than building up the fanaticism of their brethren. (And making you hard Grun).
I would like to see an overall reduction in the amount of violent death generally, and I believe constructive long term policies of sharing resources and wealth are the only way forward.
The problems with that sentiment are the notions of 'long term policies' and 'sharing wealth and resources'.
Long term policies are a problem when politicos only look to the next election, and have real trouble seeing beyond their own career.
Sharing wealth and resources on an international scale, seems to be an abhorrent notion to many people.
So Grun, be careful what you wish for. Thousands of Europeans may die, but the might be nuked whilst attending a conference in your hometown...
(oh and please don't assume:
- I support Bin Laden
- I support Terrorists
- I am anti-US
- Any other automatic assumptions you make about ppl who disagree with you
unless it's too much bother for your grey cells, in which case go ahead.)
Genau :)
Regards Blitz
Don't like fanatics, don't like commies , don't like nazies, don't like starvation, like people fightin for their rights + people tryin honestly to live like their religion tells them if they have any (i don't) & a gras pipe from time to time just for fun
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Weazel. Do the right thing... you know you want to, and there is still time... throw off the lavender colored glasses, give up the gut-full of acrid bile and the bad breath of defeat.
Give yourself over to the masculine Republican leadership. :)
Willy doesn't care about you. Daschel, Gore, Hillory and Ted Kennedy don't care about you.
But we do. Come home. Leave that sickening, self-defeating and ineffectual state of mind known as the Democratic Party far behind...
Come Home. Finally - to your place in the sun as a true Republican Man. :)
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Originally posted by Thrawn
Did someone say Bill Clinton?
Hillary Clinton dies and goes to Heaven where she meets St. Peter. She notices that there are clocks everywhere. She asks St. Peter why are there so many clocks here. St. Peter tells her that each clock represents a person on earth and that every time a person tells a lie, the clock ticks off one second.
St. Peter explains that the one clock has never moved because it belonged to Mother Theresa and she never told a lie her whole life. The next clock belonged to Abraham Lincoln and since he only told two lies his whole life, only two seconds had clicked. Hillary asks, "Where is Bill's clock?"
St. Peter says, "Bill's clock is upstairs in God's office. He's using it as a fan."
Roflmao :D
Blitz
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Hey weazel i think we get the idea you dont like bush LOL.
Well if your an american you can change that next election!!
And if your not an american then STFU why should you care get a life moron!!
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Originally posted by weazel
Let me save you the trouble of responding again...
dumb-ass Leftie, blah, blah, blah. dumb-ass Leftie, blah, blah, blah.dumb-ass LeftieLeftie, blah, blah, blah.dumb-ass Leftie, blah, blah, blah.dumb-ass Leftie, blah, blah, blah.dumb-ass Leftie, blah, blah,
All you need to add now is a Clinton remark.....pathetic.
No need for the repitition I already know.:mad:
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Originally posted by whgates3
i resent your defamation of mustelids, specificly the weasel, as bloodthirsty. that particular mustelid is an omnivore, and is not bloodthirsty, but happens to eat meat occasionally, as i'd bet, you do & probably in much greater amounts because you probably outweight the average weasel by about 80 kilos, but have i called you bloodthirsty?
nooooooooooooooooooooooooo
i suggest you pick on cats (carnivore), bats or mosquitoes
....or certain English grey squirrels ;)
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Originally posted by Gunthr
Weazel. Do the right thing... you know you want to, and there is still time... throw off the lavender colored glasses, give up the gut-full of acrid bile and the bad breath of defeat.
Give yourself over to the masculine Republican leadership. :)
Willy doesn't care about you. Daschel, Gore, Hillory and Ted Kennedy don't care about you.
But we do. Come home. Leave that sickening, self-defeating and ineffectual state of mind known as the Democratic Party far behind...
Come Home. Finally - to your place in the sun as a true Republican Man. :)
Hehe, weazel will probably join the Republican or Democratic party when someone takes the Constitution from his dead, cold hands.
Just assuming here :D
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Come Home. Finally - to your place in the sun as a true Republican Man
Ah, you mean if you're in the upper 5% and you get good tax breaks. You mean if you want to make the gap between that 5% and the rest of the people even bigger. Republican's are always about "big business" and making those businesses bigger. I used to work for two Republican brothers. The only reason they voted that way is because their business was going to get bigger tax breaks. By the way, that would break my Democratic heart if they had to pay more in taxes. NOT!
Stony
P.S. G.W.'s oil buddies in Texas are the ones probably egging him on to attack Iraq so they can get their oil even cheaper.
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Hehe, weazel will probably join the Republican or Democratic party when someone takes the Constitution from his dead, cold hands.
You never know. Weazel is a smart guy.
People have been known to change their views with increasing life experience.
I really think Weazel has some worthy conservative traits... its in there, inside him, wanting to express itself like a hidden gene... but he won't allow it to manifest.
Weazel, if you are out there, I want you to contact a very good friend of mine who would be happy to reach out a hand of conservative welcome to you:
Welcome (http://www.whitehouse.gov/) :)
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And what SaburoS said too.
:cool:
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Originally posted by Gunthr
You never know. Weazel is a smart guy.
Yes he is very smart. Smarter than most of you are giving him credit for. Until either the Democratic or Republican Party goes through a complete overhaul, then maybe, just maybe he'll join. Until then, don't hold your breath. ;)
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...hillary goes to heaven...LOL!
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Gscholz - I understand what you say, but wouldn't have that escalated the situation into a full blown conflict where any idiot with a rifle would be taking pot shots at UN personnel? If the UN forces suddenly went onto the offensive with a full blown fire-fight at Srebrenica - wouldn't such an outcome been inevitable? What would the civilian casualties have been like? How could the Dutch troops defend a compound that was filled to the brim with refugees? Could the UN troops have lasted a day? How could airstrikes aid the Dutch once they were locked in a fire-fight at close quarters?
I agree on the loss of life to UN personnel aspect affecting UN decision making.
The truth of the matter is that you can't hope to have an armed, neutral posture in a war zone. Peacekeepers should be depolyed to keep the peace once established, not try and enforce it while obeying rules of engagement that doom them to failure.
BTW - did you get my email... are you ok to dual tonight? :)
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Sounds like a porked situation all round - there was no political will to commit to do doing the job properly, so the member states involved allowed the situation to persist and glossed over the fact that the UN was technically at war with all the protagonists. Well, thanks for the insight.
BTW, choose your weapon carefully... you should know I am highly regarded among the C-47 aces of AH. :D
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Dowding accepting the full impact of your argument leads to what happend at srebrenica, basically the Dutch UN not taking sides and not doing anything because they migh get hurt while knowing for certain what would happend to the refugees they abandoned. And plese dont tell me they didnt have intel by July 1995 that serb armies were commiting genocide since 1991 on the Bosnian and/or Croatian populations. And thats why I hate them particularly so for this incident and in general resent the UN.
A sad miserable episode in UN, Dutch and European history.
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I have a question for you, Grunherz. You left Croatia in 1987 or 1988 (IIRC), years before the general war in the Balkans. You're an adult now. Why don't you go back and help rebuild your country, instead of perching yourself atop an ivory tower in a country far away from your homeland, castigating those who tried to help?
A sad miserable episode in UN, Dutch and European history.
Let's not forget Balkan history in that little story of woe. Let's not lose sight of the fact that it was Serbian, Croatian and Bosnian fingers pulling the triggers and lighting the fires.
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I'm an American more than a Croatian, most of that country has died in me I really dont think I could live there anymore regardlesss of economics or the beuty of our adriatic sea.
And I know it's our fault, we started it because the country went downhill econmoically when the loans ran out - the country was not econmically viable because of communism. Then we just turned from focusing on that to bashing each other because of supposed past injustices and voila 250,000 dead...
I dont like the UN because the only things they were really effective at and seemingly committed to 100% was an arms blokade which made it incredibly difficult for croats and bosnians to defendthemselves against the serb dominated JNA which was one of the larger ground armies in the world at the time and ivading and shelling our homes- my huse was almost blown up and took several mortar hits. The other was maintaining cease fire lines from i think 1992 to that summer of 1995 which guaranteed the serb armies 1/3 of croatia and 1/2 of bosnia through illegal conquest.
I'm just mad at the way the UN acted and the indecisive way they they went about it. Like it or not there was a principal bad guy, and i know you brits have an affinity for serbia like the germans have for croatia but even you have to admit the clear main agressor and warcriminal was serbia. The UN never allowed itsef to recognize this until far too late and only near the end of the war if ever.
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...and i know you brits have an affinity for serbia...
An absurd suggestion, Grunherz. Is that why RAF crews were bombing the Serbs in 1995 and again (including Belgrade) in 1999? Or why British ground forces lead the team into Kosovo in 1999? Or why the chief judge in the trial of Milosovic is British? You're on very fragile ground, with that Grunherz.
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Not talking blatant favoritism or just letting them get of the hook, but a british affinity to serbia is as undeniable as a german affinity to croatia.
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What angered croatia most was the UN enforced cease fire line that left 1/3 of our counry invaded for 3-4 years, much of that in an area that literally cut us in half. I think the UN should have recognized sooner who the agressors were.
All sides had atrocities. The serbs are worst of course but I dont know exactly how croats differed from muslims, although it would be likely bosnians had worse because they just had more oppritunites dut to intesnsity of combat.
The whole thing was awful and should never have happened. whoopeeed race baiting communists....
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The Race issue has nothing to do with communism Grun.
Long before they were communists they were happily killing each other.
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Of course not directly linked to communism. But if you ever see me oppose race whining or issues endlessly brining "past injustices" you can understand where that comes from.