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Iraqi spokesman Al-jaber Kareehm and N. Korean frontman Ha' Kyung announced Tuesday that Iran is not pulling its weight in the Axis of Evil.
According to Mr. Kareehm, "Its true that the Iranians took some American hostages at the embassy, but that was 20 years ago. We must look at what they have done for us lately - which is nothing. "
Mr. Ha' Kyung expressed similar views in the joint communique, stating that Iran has not done anything lately to warrant membership in the Axis. "If Iran does not perpetrate evil acts soon, or at least spout some hyperbole against the great Satan, Iran too can become a sea of fire and glass. We will all die to last drop of blood and unleash our ultimate options in defiance of those who are dead weight in the Axis of Evil" ...
Developing...
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hehehe :D
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Great post, made my morning.
Subscription to 'The Onion'?
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That's great. The best one was from SatireWire.com:
ANGERED BY SNUBBING, LIBYA, CHINA
SYRIA FORM AXIS OF JUST AS EVIL
Cuba, Sudan, Serbia Form Axis of Somewhat Evil; Other Nations Start Own Clubs
Beijing (SatireWire.com) — Bitter after being snubbed for membership in the "Axis of Evil," Libya, China, and Syria today announced they had formed the "Axis of Just as Evil," which they said would be way eviler than that stupid Iran-Iraq-North Korea axis President Bush warned of his State of the Union address.
Axis of Evil members, however, immediately dismissed the new axis as having, for starters, a really dumb name. "Right. They are Just as Evil... in their dreams!" declared North Korean leader Kim Jong-il. "Everybody knows we're the best evils... best at being evil... we're the best."
Diplomats from Syria denied they were jealous over being excluded, although they conceded they did ask if they could join the Axis of Evil.
"They told us it was full," said Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.
"An Axis can't have more than three countries," explained Iraqi President Saddam Hussein. "This is not my rule, it's tradition. In World War II you had Germany, Italy, and Japan in the evil Axis. So you can only have three. And a secret handshake. Ours is wicked cool."
THE AXIS PANDEMIC
International reaction to Bush's Axis of Evil declaration was swift, as within minutes, France surrendered.
Elsewhere, peer-conscious nations rushed to gain triumvirate status in what became a game of geopolitical chairs. Cuba, Sudan, and Serbia said they had formed the Axis of Somewhat Evil, forcing Somalia to join with Uganda and Myanmar in the Axis of Occasionally Evil, while Bulgaria, Indonesia and Russia established the Axis of Not So Much Evil Really As Just Generally Disagreeable.
With the criteria suddenly expanded and all the desirable clubs filling up, Sierra Leone, El Salvador, and Rwanda applied to be called the Axis of Countries That Aren't the Worst But Certainly Won't Be Asked to Host the Olympics; Canada, Mexico, and Australia formed the Axis of Nations That Are Actually Quite Nice But Secretly Have Nasty Thoughts About America, while Spain, Scotland, and New Zealand established the Axis of Countries That Sometimes Ask Sheep to Wear Lipstick.
"That's not a threat, really, just something we like to do," said Scottish Executive First Minister Jack McConnell.
While wondering if the other nations of the world weren't perhaps making fun of him, a cautious Bush granted approval for most axes, although he rejected the establishment of the Axis of Countries Whose Names End in "Guay," accusing one of its members of filing a false application. Officials from Paraguay, Uruguay, and Chadguay denied the charges.
Israel, meanwhile, insisted it didn't want to join any Axis, but privately, world leaders said that's only because no one asked them.
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Heh, Chadguay.
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lol
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headlines from the daily probe (http://dailyprobe.com/)
N. Korea: "So Where Are All the Dog-Eating Jokes Now, Motherdiddlyer?"
Townshend Announces Kids Are Alright Tour With Boy George, Kid Rock, Lil' Kim
Chinese Space Capsule Lands Safely; Chinese Astronauts' Lucky Numbers 8, 14, 37, 44
Ms. Feminist Pageant Folds
Scientists Taunt Near-Earth Asteroid
Iraqi Week Magazine Names Saddam Man of Year for 23rd Time
"Stimulus Package" Enters Double Entendre Hall of Fame
Doughnut Weds bellybutton in Private Ceremony
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http://www.theonion.com/onion3901/bush_on_north_korea.html
:D
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Silly Bush calling N. Korea an axis of evil. They are just misunderstood after all...
http://www.msnbc.com/news/859191.asp?vts=011520032205 (http://www.msnbc.com/news/859191.asp?vts=011520032205)
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Makarov, that is one depressing piece of literature.
Bet people don't want to talk about that though.... or else it's all made up, right?
Whew.
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Agreed, it's fashionable for the left to make fun of silly little Bush and his "Axis of Evil" speech. The sad part is how they let their political views outweigh their sense of morality.
Sometimes evil is actually...evil.
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NBC will say anything to scoop the other networks. very easy to make a target seem awful by only interviewing it's enemies (former prisoners, south korean & US officials were the cited sources)
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Iraq's not the only one not pulling weight in the axis of evil . What has Transylvania done lately ?
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Originally posted by whgates3
NBC will say anything to scoop the other networks. very easy to make a target seem awful by only interviewing it's enemies (former prisoners, south korean & US officials were the cited sources)
And besides, if the US were actually attempting to alleviate suffering and end tyranny all the ranting by the left would seem pretty heartless wouldn't it?
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Originally posted by AKIron
And besides, if the US were actually attempting to alleviate suffering and end tyranny all the ranting by the left would seem pretty heartless wouldn't it?
undoubtedly - chong can crap on his slaves as much as he wants as long as we dont have to worry about his ability to hurt us. i wonder how many of his political oponents he has opressed with his nukes...
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So, gates..... do you think we should overlook their growing nuclear capability, given that they have such a sterling history and reputation for respect for human life..... as demonstrated by the treatment of their own citizenry..... and given their obvious love for the US, largest supplier of food aid to a nation enduring years of famine?
Ah... those stories of a NK gulag are all made up. Just like the Russian ones were. Ask Boroda. It's just a news ratings thing.
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my own opinion is that NK is a soverign nation, they've done nothing against us (well not since 1953 & that was us on their turf)& they only violated the nuclear nonproliferation treaty after we did. given our gov't & media's propensity for exaggeration & lying who know whats really the case about NK famine & gulags (no doubt there are political prisoners in a totalitarian country, but there have never been pictures, so who knows how bad it really is? if so many staved in NK where are the satellite photos of mass graves? there were satellite photos of mass graves of less than 100 people from Bosnia-Hercegovina). it wouldn't surprise me a bit to find out that the NK nukes story is part of bush's scheme to push his $multibillion$ pie-in-the-sky missle defence shield or to wag-the-dog on domestic troubles
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(well not since 1953 & that was us on their turf)
Say What? The Korean War started in 1950 when North Korean troops crossed the 38th parallel. In 1953 the Armistice was signed at Panmunjom. What sort of revisionist history are you proposing here?
And specifically what violation of the nuclear nonproliferation treaty are you attributing to the US doing first?
Guess the NK missile program is all propaganda too...... there's that little niggling missile shot over Japan in 1998 but hey, it was probably faked by the US.
Of course, the Japanese were so taken in that they froze the $1 billion they had committed to a project with South Korea, the United States and Europe to supply North Korea with two nuclear energy reactors. But, of course, it's not NK's fault the reactors are behind schedule so, blameless as they are, the need to violate the '94 agreement and restart the reactor.
Try Human Rights Watch on North Korea... unless you think they're a US propaganda organization as well.
If so, then you might try Amnesty International which has an interesting piece on the famine and people fleeing to China for food.
Lastly, put "north korea famine deaths" into Google and pick one of the hundreds of news sources there and do a little reading... oh, wait... they're all in cahoots with the Great Satan.
Since there's no famine, I guess you'll support the US cutting off food aid to them and sending it to where there is real need?
Or what?
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lets just nuke every one! muhahahahahahahahahahahahahah a
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"Or what?" - Toad
How about invading them?
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not that it means anything, but a google search for "north korea famine deaths" (http://www.google.com/search?q=%22north+korea+famine+deaths%22&num=20&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&safe=off&filter=0) returns exactly two links...OK so maybe i should have exchanged the word 'turf' for 'neighborhood', but i'm not sure i could spell the latter word correctly...NK is a closed society so information available about it is bound to come from inaccurate sources: their gov't propganda, our gov't propganda & disidents...HRW & AI turn up pretty much the same info on NK: there is some starvation (dont know how much, but rats were eaten. some of those who fled NK for china wish they hadn't); political persecution exists (as it does in south korea), scale unknown; "indications of under-18s in government armed forces". on the whole not worse than what you'd find at the same sites about some of our allies....if you look@a map you can see that for NK to test a missle of the caliber they posess (~2000 mile range) w/out the missle landing in an occupied area, the shot has to go over japan.
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Nash,
I don't think we'll have to invade them.
I think pulling out the US troops immediately and cutting off all food aid to them (since there is obviously no famine.. ask gates) will totally solve the problem.
As long as we remain firm in our resolve not to send troops back once we pull them out. :D
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whgates3:
Why do you liberals always have a tendency to discount the evils of a communist regime especially when it is in some current conflict with America? It's nuts.
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The word "evil" is stuipid. I'm sure the Iraqis and the North Koreans think the US is evil.
It's an emotionally charged word, subjective, and is really crappy for honest discourse.
Plus, it makes me think of Darth Vader.
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Gates,
Take out the quotes; you'll find more than you can read. Plenty from non-US sources. Lots from the UN and other charitable agencies that are trying to feed them.
Searched the web for north korea famine deaths. Results 1 - 10 of about 8,100. Search took 0.19 seconds
North Korea famine deaths (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=north+korea+famine+deaths&btnG=Google+Search)
These guys are generally accepted as apolitical.....
Médecins Sans Frontières (http://www.doctorswithoutborders.org/publications/other/deadly_2001.shtml)
It's an interesting piece, "The Deadly Secrets of North Korea"
by Fiona Terry, Ph.D.
...Why, I wonder, do we express revulsion when reading of Stalin's gulag in the 1930s-60s; Mao's secret famine in the 1960s; or the killing fields of Pol Pot in the 1970s, yet show indifference at the plight of North Koreans today. We regret that our predecessors did not listen to the pleas of those who escaped the gulag, famine and killing fields; we chastise them for not believing that such horror could occur. But who is listening to the North Korean refugees in China now, in 2001, and who is willing to ensure their protection?
But then.... you're not listening are you? :)
As to the missile, it's not the fact that they "had to shoot it somewhere".
From: CDISS, the Centre for Defence and International Security Studies, is an inter-disciplinary research centre based in the Department of Politics and International Relations at Lancaster University in the UK.
...On 31 August 1998, North Korea test fired its new Taepo Dong 1 two-stage Medium-Range Ballistic Missile (MRBM) into the Sea of Japan (for previous reporting, see North Korea 'Preparing to test Taepo Dong 1').
The test occurred at 1212 hours (local) (0312 GMT). The missile reportedly traveled 1,300 km / 806 miles, less than its assessed full range capability of 2,000 km/1,240 miles....
Equally as serious, we see the 31 August flight test as an important stepping stone to the Taepo Dong 2, a larger, follow-on, two-stage system whose estimated range of 6,000 km / 3,720 miles classifies it as an Intercontinental Ballistic Missile (ICBM), which would provide Pyongyang with a capability to target parts of the United States, such as the state of Alaska.
Yesterday's successful flight test of the Taepo Dong 1 missile (which uses a Nodong MRBM as its first stage and a Scud C Short-Range Ballistic Missile as its second stage) indicates that North Korea is steadily moving ahead with multistaging, which will hasten the appearance of the more powerful Taepo Dong 2...
It also mentions NK's probable willingness to export Taepo Dong 1's & 2's to the Middle East.
Now, while that apparently doesn't bother you, it does bother some people.
The world tried the idea of ignoring ruthless dictators that were arming as fast as they could. Didn't work out too well last time.
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Here is what UNICEF and the W.H.O. says.
"SUMMARY
A series of natural disasters has exacerbated the humanitarian emergency in North Korea, which is facing its worst food shortage since 1997. United Nations agencies are now feeding one-third of the country's 23 million people.
As North Korea confronts its eighth straight year of food shortages due to drought, floods, crumbling infrastructure, and a depressed national economy, a recent report placed the country last among 110 developing nations in the area of child nutrition. The report was presented by UNICEF and the World Health Organization at the Global Consultation on Child and Adolescent Health and Development, held March 12-13 in Stockholm, Sweden. Based on a survey conducted from 1995 to 2000, the report found that 60 percent of North Korean children under age five suffer from some degree of malnutrition."
http://www.unicefusa.org/alert/emergency/nk/nk.html
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GScholz:
North Korea was the entity that started the Korean war. The "soverign nation, they've done nothing against us (well not since 1953 & that was us on their turf" is more revisionist history.
They invaded another nation just as sovereign, South Korea, in 1950. South Korea was not "their turf". It drew a UN reaction as I'm sure you recall since the Soviet Union was boycotting the Security Council at the time.
Beyond that "not since 1953" is more balderdash. The axe murder of two US Army officers in 18 August 1976? The Pueblo incident? In 1969, North Korea shot down a Navy EC-121 "Willie Victor" in international airspace, killing more than 20 people aboard.
The US is responsible for Israel's ability to produce nukes?
Really?
Who built the Diamona reactor for the Israelis? "Dimona's cooling circuits were built two to three times larger than necessary for the 26-megawatt reactor Dimona was supposed to be--proof that it had always been intended to make bomb quantities of plutonium... Technicians had built a plutonium extraction plant at the same site".
Ummm, that would be the FRENCH.
And who supplied the reactor's heavy water, essential to achieve a chain reaction?
Ummm, that would be NORWAY in 1959.
Then, in 1986, Francis Perrin, high commissioner of the French atomic energy agency from 1951 to 1970, was quoted in the press as saying that France and Israel had worked closely together for two years in the late 1950s to design an atom bomb.
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Searched the web for North Korea Famine Deaths. Results 1 - 10 of about 8,120. Search took 0.24 seconds.
Damn Toad, that's not fair your internet connection is faster than mine. But I got 20 more links than you did :D You'd think after all these years of you posting here that people would learn not to debate facts with you :) Specialy when they are so wrong.
Nice work my man :)
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And lets not forget Apartheid South Africa, they apparently worked together with Israel to build and test nuclear weapons.
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He's sending them more food and oil, next he will tell them "we're very, very sorry" for harrasing you about your nuk-u-lar weapons and declare victory.
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What would you do with the North Korea crisis weazel? Except post that you dont like what Bush is doing, of course...
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And let the two Koreas deal with their own problems.
Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
What would you do with the North Korea crisis weazel? Except post that you dont like what Bush is doing, of course...
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Originally posted by GScholz
losing a spy plane and the execution of two US officers seem "minor" considering this was 1969,....
However I never argued that the US were the ONLY western country helping Israel with its nuclear program.....
1. I submit to you that it was not a "minor" incident to those on board or to those that were hacked to death, nor was it minor to their wives and families.
It was a legitimate "causus belli" should the US have chosen to go to war. Wars have, in fact, been started over far less. However, we did not choose to do so.
2. No the issue was US violation of the Non-proliferation treaty. When GATES was asked for an example YOU produced the US/Israel connection.
I merely pointed out that a) it wasn't the US that started the Israelis down the road to membership in the "nuclear club".
In fact, NUMEROUS countries have helped them. In January 1992, Israel's Technion University procured two "parallel" computers capable of reaching supercomputer speeds from the U.K. company Meiko Scientific Ltd.. The sale effectively circumvented U.S.- and Japanese-imposed restrictions for countries that had not signed the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty (NPT).
The US sold them supercomputers a bit later, after this had already happened.
So it would seem there's a lot of "egg on the face" going around, eh?
MANY nations have "broken" the NPT, eh?
Another example?
Iraq ratified the Non-Proliferation Treaty on October 29, 1969, pledging not to manufacture nuclear weapons and agreeing to place all its nuclear materials and facilities under IAEA safeguards.
The Osiraq research reactor was unusually large and was therefore capable of irradiating uranium specimens to produce significant quantities of plutonium.
Who sold Iraq this reactor? Go ahead.. guess.
For that matter where did the North Koreans get their graphite-moderated reactor?
Where did Pakistan get a significant portion of its nuclear technology and where has Pakistan gotten it's missile delivery technology for these weapons?
So the US is the Great Satan in all this NPT stuff?
Please.
There's more than enough mud to sling; no one will emerge clean and shiny in their white angel's robes.
It's realpolitik, as Kissinger used to say.
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Originally posted by weazel
And let the two Koreas deal with their own problems.
Mark your calendars. Weazel and I agree on something.
I'd go even farther.
Give 'em six months notice (or shorter if they're comfortable with less) that we're leaving, with a solemn promise that we absolutely are NOT coming back. Ever.
Take every scrap of US equipment with us and go as fast as possible on the day the 6 months are up.
After we're clear, cut off all food aid to North Korea and redistribute it to countries that are actually trying to improve and become part of the world community. That list would be plenty long enough.
Sit back and watch "peace and brotherhood" break out on the 38th parallel.
It'll be the dawning of the Age of Aquarius all over again.
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Am I the only one that finds a missile with the name "Dong" amusing?
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Henh.
We shoulda Nuked Paris a long time ago. Bastards have been selling the technology to build these reactors to anybody with cash for 40 years.
I'd rather not see us just toss the towel in in South Korea.. lets give 'em nukes.
While were at it, hand the Japs the same weapons. Then lets nudge 'em toward N. Korea and China with a big wink.
Let 'em all fry.
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Nah, Hang. Wouldn't want to proliferate.
Besides, it's what they want, right? US out of South Korea; not needed.
I agree. Make 'em happy, I say.
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Toad your and weazels suggestion is the dumbest thing I've ever read..
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I disagree!
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Well, 10Bears, do tell us your solution.
Are you one of the NK apologists?
"The Great Satan made me do it!" - Kim Jong Il
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Hold the horses ear Toad he won’t kick or bite ya. I know it’s very unpleasant for a new horse but to break him in you need to let him know who’s boss. As long as you got a good hold of his ear, he can’t bite ya. Do you know what whispering is?... you talk to the horse the same time you got his ear.. let him know your not there to kill him.. you just want to ride him. This is an animal your talking to, your tone of voice, your movements are all very important. Once the horse is calmed down a bit, you can introduce a blanket... after that... slowly... offer the horse a saddle.. the way you act is important if you want the horse to accept it or not... The people that yell and beat a horse take a much longer time to train.
The US forces in SK are there not just to protect the South Koreans but vital financial US interests in the Pac Rim area. Anybody want to cause trouble in Singapore, Taiwan, Japan, Hong Kong.. though part of China still plenty of business interests there. United States absolutely must have a large military presents in the far east..
The idea of pulling out of Korea is so mind numbingly bizarre I wonder if you followed through on thinking about the consequences of this action... For starters how long would it take for NK’s 10 million man army to stove into SK?... weeks.. no hours. Instead of a poor North Korea you end up with a very rich unified Korea under communist banner. Or China.. seeing how America skidadalled.. Behooves them to move into Taiwan. For that matter how about the rest of the world?... Headline: U.S confronts North Korea nuclear crisis by retreating..
This crisis could have been avoided had the adults in charge not have acted like 5 yr olds a lil horse whispering could have gone a long way. My solution?... Yeah, Americans over the age of 18 should take a more proactive approach to politics.. Read up on prospective leaders then vote for the guy who is right for the job.. For example, a legacy student who drank a fifth of Jack Daniels and a case of beer every day for 23 years might not be the best choice for President of the United States.
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My goodness, what an arrogant, imperialistic, typical American attitude you have, Mr. Bears!
Likening a sovereign nation like North Korea to an unbroken horse? To be ultimately ridden by its master? What an imperialistic allegory! Tsk, tsk.
The US absolutely does NOT need forces to protect our "vital interests" in the Pacific Rim. Our "vital interests" are trade. You'll note we trade extensively with China. VERY extensively. I don't think they trade with us because we have a forces in the area.
Sovereign nations can and should defend themeselves. They don't need our miltary as "tripwire" guarantees.
After a starving... oh, wait.. Gates has enlightened me... after the comfortably fed North Koreans cross the border to reunite in loving harmony with their long lost brothers all will be well. Just look a what a worker's paradise the North itself has become. It shouldn't take long to transform the South into a similar paradise. And then we can trade with them, just as we do with both China and South Korea.
Taiwan? It WAS a part of China you know. Just like Hong Kong. Just exactly how would US forces in the region change anything the Chinese decided to do in Hong Kong. Similarly, the Taiwan issue is already concluded whether we choose to accept it or not.
How many Americans would support all out war with China to "save" Taiwan? How many Americans would support it after a Chinese nuke strike on a CV battle group? Taiwan belongs to China. It's only a matter of China deciding when to exercise it's option to reclaim it.
This present crisis may have been avoidable. However, the proper actions would have to have been taken in '94 within the "Agreed Framework" to truly dismantle the NK nuclear weapons program and monitor compliance. But that didn't happen, as we see.
So, indeed, one must be careful who one votes for, musn't one?
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
whgates3:
Why do you liberals always have a tendency to discount the evils of a communist regime especially when it is in some current conflict with America? It's nuts.
dont pigeonhole me as a liberal just because i dont like junior.
i dont call you a neonazi just because you are a croatian w/ jagdgeschwader54's name. there are plenty of perfectly good reasons to distrust & dislike the present administration, even for nonhippies
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Fair enough whgates:
But still even if you dont like Bush why downplay the misdeeds of NK...
10Bears:
Yes Bush it fault for this. In fact it was all his idea that NK go stary builiding nuclear weapons just after 1994 treaty, 1994-2000 all years during which Geaorge Bush was president.
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Gates, it's posts of yours like the 01-19-2003 12:17 AM one in this thread that make me consider a pigeonhole for you.
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
...why downplay the misdeeds of NK...
because the sources of information on them are dubious & biased
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Toad, you've just expressed horror over how the DPRK treats its own citizens.
Then you suggest that the US pull out so South Korea can get run over by the DPRK.
I agree that each nation should manage its own defence. But in this case South Korea has seen it more proper to house and feed its citizen and build a democracy, rather than like the DPRK build a huge army with the sole future purpose of invading the South.
Freedom and democracy. Post WWII America has had as an ideal to be the protector of that.
Only way SK could have the means to protect themselves against the DPRK without US assistance is to starve its people and behave like the DPRK.
Toad, yer too smart to fall for the isolationist argument. Better to handle the problem in its cradle than to have it travel to the US in adulthood.
Of course, Europe should pull its weight in the demilitarized zone as well. It's wrong that this task is left to the US alone. But it is a very important one, and one the US doesn't get enough acclaim for. In fact, it seems some South Koreans blame the US. Those would probably not mind spending some time in those reeducation camps.
Anyway, isolationism doesn't work. WWII showed us that. Being overly interventionist doesn't work either. A balance must be found, and *Europe* must begin to pull its weight.
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Originally posted by Toad
...countries that are actually trying to improve and become part of the world community. ...
I know, you dont care my opinion, but this sentence leave me with a bitter taste.
Why?
Just change the underlined "the" with "our".
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(edit: added the emoticon to explain this it's not a troll)
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Well, Santa, that was before Gates made the scales drop from my eyes. Now I see that NK is a happy place, with well-fed people dancing the day away in a worker's paradise under the benevolent leadership of a kind, gentle father figure.
How could anyone not wish for the peace loving peoples of South Korea to be able to share such a wonderful experience after the inevitable, near-instant "reunification"?
And, after all, their recent elections made the US military presence an issue and their people spoke in the streets.
Funny thing is, what they want and what the mothers of the US want is EXACTLY the same thing! Perfect! Boths sides want the sons of US mothers at home and out of danger!
Jeez, what a simply PERFECT, harmonious solution!
I'm not....... at present........ supporting ANY type of military action by the US against Iraq. Let the inspectors do their job. Further, I no longer support the enforcement of the Northern and Southern "No-fly" zones in Iraq by US forces. There is some confusion as to whether or not Security Council resolutions call for that anyway, so I say pull out. If the Kurds get gassed again... well, the UN and the "world community" can deal with that if and when it happens.
I AM easing back into the total isolationism view that I held prior to 9/11. I think it is best for the US.
Should we suffer another 9/11 type attack, particularly one that used WMD, I would then feel that we are in a "weapons free" situation where we can simply remove anyone or anything that we view to be a threat and do so with the absolute maximum amount of violence at our disposal.
After that, I think we'll be left alone. If not, well, another few examples should do the trick. Nobody messes with crazy countries with nukes, do they? See how it works for NK?
So, y'all should drive the bus again. See if you can keep it out of the World War ditch this time.
Now, I'm off to Jolly Olde for a week or so.
Try to find "peace for our time" while I'm gone, ok?
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Hey, Naso.. feel free to have Italy give as much aid to NK as the US does. Start any time.
We'll take what we're giving them and distribute it in other places where folks are trying to live without maintaining the world's 4th largest army that has no place to go except against either China or South Korea. And they need nukes as well. A lot of places in Africa spring to mind.
Nah, sorry pal. There's LOTS of countries that could use that food that are much more likely to be a successful, good addition to the world community.