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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: Rasker on January 15, 2003, 10:23:39 AM
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I'd like to see the "Fritz-X" and/or the other model of wire/radio guided bombs modeled as a loadout for ship-killing purposes (either perked load or from perked D0-217). These weapons had quite an impact on the Mediterranean in 1943, sinking the Roma, putting the Warspite out of action for the rest of the war, and forcing the Allies to strengthen and extend their air umbrellas. I'd love the idea of watching the flare of my bomb merge with the outline of a carrier 10,000 yards away. If the naval flak is so overmodeled, it's the least you can do for us maritime buff pilots
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Yeah!!
A manned CV it's almost impossible to kill without the kamikaze tactic.
And we dont want to push the people to use it.... dont we?? :confused:
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Originally posted by Rasker
I'd like to see the "Fritz-X" and/or the other model of wire/radio guided bombs modeled as a loadout for ship-killing purposes (either perked load or from perked D0-217). These weapons had quite an impact on the Mediterranean in 1943, sinking the Roma, putting the Warspite out of action for the rest of the war, and forcing the Allies to strengthen and extend their air umbrellas. I'd love the idea of watching the flare of my bomb merge with the outline of a carrier 10,000 yards away. If the naval flak is so overmodeled, it's the least you can do for us maritime buff pilots
Who says the Naval flak is overmodeld? The US proximity fuse was devastating and with usually only a single traget to train on, the target should be destroyed.
Sakai
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well, it's damn hard to destroy the CV anyhow...
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i guess the missile will show up when the Do217 to launch it does.
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he-177 carried the fritz-x and as argued a hundred times before is a far better LW bomber for AH than the poorly defended do217.
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Originally posted by KG45
i guess the missile will show up when the Do217 to launch it does.
Two great choices for modeling, I say but youd have to limit somehow: guided bombs certainly did not account for much shipping in WWII. Glide bombs a bit more, but really, most shipping killed by AC was done in with dumb bombs or aerial launched torpedos. What we REALLY need is a torpedo speed that is sufficient to hit moving ships.
Sakai
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World War II Glide Bombs (http://www.vectorsite.net/twbomb3.html#m2)
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Interstate TDR-1 attack drone would be cool too, so would AZON bomb & ASM-N-2 BAT Glide Bomb...any other WWII guided nonsuicidal weapons that were in combat?
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Originally posted by Sakai
Who says the Naval flak is overmodeld? The US proximity fuse was devastating and with usually only a single traget to train on, the target should be destroyed.
Sakai
How did a proximity fuse know when to blow up in WWII? Magnetic?
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Proximity AAA fuses used radar emitted from the shell to determine when to blow up. There was a good program on PBS about it a while ago.
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proximity fused flak was so topsecret that they were only allowed to be used@sea - until the V1s started flying. so naval flak might not be too accurate, but land based flak sould be less accurate than naval flak...it doesnt seem that it is...
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A manned CV it's almost impossible to kill without the kamikaze tactic.
Actually it's not so hard if you actually perform a coordinated attack with divebombers (several attacking at once to dilute AAA fire), and actually do it properly, which means at least ATTEMPTING to pull out of your dive.
A flight of Stukas will make quick work of a CV group.
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heres a .mil site (http://www.amchistory.army.mil/studies/fuze.html) w/ info about proximity fuse history, including proximity fused HVARs
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Originally posted by Ecliptik
Actually it's not so hard if you actually perform a coordinated attack with divebombers (several attacking at once to dilute AAA fire), and actually do it properly, which means at least ATTEMPTING to pull out of your dive.
A flight of Stukas will make quick work of a CV group.
I expressed wrong.
I mean MANNED CV FLACK.
The auto flack can let you survive 50-60% of times after a dive.
But with 1 PPL in the 5 inch gun, it's a 100% dead, even after the dive.
Even a group cannot survive, some time ago me and my squadmates attacked a manned CV in 4 Stuka, only one of us were capable to drop, and died before the bomb hit the ship.
Maybe we suck, but I bet that a p38s suicide attack could have sunk the CV.
It's time to use the lemmings tactic?
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* AZON went into action against the Japanese in Burma in late 1944. Allied sea control was so tight that the Japanese could no longer send supplies by sea, and so supplies were sent by train from southern China instead. The northern Burmese terrain is very rugged, and the rail routes required many bridges. That made these bridges very high priority targets for the USAAF.
The Japanese understood this perfectly, and set up heavy anti-aircraft defenses to protect the bridges. That meant that USAAF heavy bombers had to bomb a target that was difficult to hit while dodging Japanese antiaircraft fire.
AZON seemed like a good solution, and a total of 459 of them were dropped, destroying 27 bridges. The fact that a bomber had to stay on course in the face of flak while its bombardier guided the AZON into a bridge was a dangerous nuisance, but the USAAF came up with a clever solution.
Bombers were often escorted by P-38 Lightning fighters flying "top cover" over the bomber formation to provide protection against enemy fighters. The higher altitude of the fighters gave them some protection against flak, and the Japanese concentrated their fire on the bombers anyway, as they were the greater threat. A number of P-38s had been modified with clear "droop snoot" bomber noses to accommodate a bombardier, and some were fitted with an AZON controller. A bomber would drop an AZON and then take evasive action, while the bombardier on board the droop-snoot P-38 would guide the AZON into the bridge.
if i live to see this in a game ill die happy
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the manned missiles/bombs would be nice :) it would be fun to drop a squad mate on a CV :p
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Originally posted by Oedipus
The USN bat was by far the most advanced used in WWII.
"The Bat's guidance system was particularly sophisticated for the time. After being dropped, it glided toward the target on a preset course using a gyrostabilizer system to keep it on track. As it neared the target, the bomb locked on with its own radar system that guided it into the target. "
IMO these weapons (glide/guided bombs) would be simply too destablizing in the MA. Even if they were perked. Might as well just remove the naval aspect of AH altogether.
Oed
they could just make them shoot downable no doubt that would happen in real life and maby when one is launched the ack and flack would tarac and try 2 shoot it down just a thought