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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Zigrat on February 20, 2001, 06:46:00 PM
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we need one of these
starting in late 44, through teh ardennes and up to the fall of berlin.
we have the planeset for it, we can even include both fronts!
all we really need are il-2, t-34, and sherman.
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE.
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wouldnt mind having the Me262 for this scenario, which would be an awesome one.
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Late 44? How about an Il-10 then. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Also, this isn't going to be a fun scenario for the Axis players unless we handicap the Allies like in Afrika Korps. I have no problem with that, but everybody needs to realize that it's not going to be 100% historical.
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Originally posted by funked:
Also, this isn't going to be a fun scenario for the Axis players unless we handicap the Allies like in Afrika Korps. I have no problem with that, but everybody needs to realize that it's not going to be 100% historical.
You mean you DON'T want the Allies to have a 12:1 advantage in aircraft numbers? Heretic! :-)
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Try 20:1 :P
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Wiether it's fun or not for the Axis depends on their objective.
It could be, for instance, to defend Berlin AND Peenemunde AND the Rhur for three weeks (six frames, one mid-week, one weekend), at which point their atom bomb and it's delivery sytem will be deemed as developed, and the allies forced to terms.......
This may seem more of a not losing, than a win, but then it's only the obverse of the Battle of Britain.
Those Ta drivers would be the last of the few.
P-38's over Berlin the first of the many.
We DO have the planes for this (but a mosquito would be nice!)
Just saying..
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i was thinking a force ratio in the range of 1:1 on the ground and 2:1 in the air would be fun but still make some semblance of numbers reality.
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Originally posted by Nath-BDP:
Try 20:1 :P
Ah, that bad? Only number I knew is that it was 12:1 on the Eastern Front in 44. 20:1 Overall in 45? I can buy that.
Ok, so we let 20 guys fly Axis in the Scenario. Each frame, only 10 of the guys get fuel, the other 10 sit on the runway in their planes the whole frame, but can't take off :-)
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20:1?
Sounds great.. many many targets (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/tongue.gif)
Pirado
[This message has been edited by Peeradow (edited 02-21-2001).]
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Originally posted by Zigrat:
we need one of these
starting in late 44, through teh ardennes and up to the fall of berlin.
we have the planeset for it, we can even include both fronts!
all we really need are il-2, t-34, and sherman.
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE.
Yes, this will be wonderful. RAF squads can fly their 1942 Spit F IXs, and 1941 Typhoons.
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you are getting tempest whiney rafwhiner
and the spit we have is a '43 spit not a 42
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Nope Zig it's a 1942 F Mk. IX with Merlin 61. The very earliest Mk. IX, mostly converted Mk. V airframes.
A 1943 Spitfire IX would be and F with Merlin 63, LF with Merlin 66, or HF with Merlin 70.
The LF was by far the most numerous and is about 20 mph faster than our current F at low levels. Sea level climb rate was in excess of 4500 fpm. This version also had clipped wings enabling roll rates at low speeds superior to even the Fw 190 (according to NACA). Spitfire LF Mk. XVI was almost identical but used an American-built version of the Merlin 66 (Merlin 266).
[This message has been edited by funked (edited 02-21-2001).]
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Hmm.. I wonder who wrote the following to me in an email?
"SUPPOSEDLY our Spit IX is an F. Mk. IX from 1942 with the Merlin 61. But from every source I've looked at, our plane is performing like a 1944 HF. Mk. IX which had the Merlin 70. There is very large difference in performance between these two engines."
First correct guess wins an all-expense paid ride in a Ta-152 in the Training Arena (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
You wanna go first Funked? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
Chapter 13, verse 11
[This message has been edited by Jekyll (edited 02-21-2001).]
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you have performance docs on those spits?
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Two birds with one stone. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Jekyll: I wrote that what, 9 months ago? I done learned me some information since then. I bought some good books on Spits and I saw this site: http://www.fourthfightergroup.com/eagles/spittest.html (http://www.fourthfightergroup.com/eagles/spittest.html)
A Merlin 70 Spit will eat a Merlin 61 Spit for breakfast, and the 70's were in service in 1943.
I've got a really nice set of curves from Jeffrey Quill's book with climb and speed vs. altitude data overlaid for the M61, M66, and M70. I'll scan it this weekend.
Zigrat the above link is what you are looking for.
PS Jekyll if you want to give me a hard time, you should bust me for referring to those NACA roll curves that I was doubting in the other thread! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
[This message has been edited by funked (edited 02-21-2001).]
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All in good fun funked. I just wanted to see how you got yourself out of this one (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
And I'm being VERY diplomatic about that NACA roll data, don't you think? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
Chapter 13, verse 11
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LOL (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I'm going to crunch some numbers on that Spitfire roll rate curve. I'm not sure the missing wing tip can explain the difference between normal and clipped-wing Spitfires on that chart.
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I did a test offline yesterday on the Spit IX climb rate. Full fuel, ammo (303 mgs) amd no WEP.
Results:
Alt AH 9...F 9....LF9.... HF9....LF9(150 octane)
6K 2:01...1:45............1:24...1:15
10K 3:15...2:55...2:15....2:25...2:06
18K 5:48...5:20...........4:18...
30K 11:07..11:45..8:40....8:05...8:17
As you can see (if the table's come out right) the AH Spit IX is slightly below the climb performance of an early 42 F IX, though the difference could be down to my deficiencies in testing. It is way off the HF and LF versions, however.