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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: sourkraut on January 21, 2003, 11:37:17 AM
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4th time I started posting this. Keep saying to myself "Sour, why you bring this up?" and close browser. Any way, here goes:
Just curious. Will one subscription count for both Aces High: Classic and Aces High: Tour of Duty? To be honest with you, I don't care either way, I just want to start prepping the Boss-lady in the case of additional fees......
and g/l to you at HTC for your vision.
Sour
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Will one subscription count for both Aces High: Classic and Aces High: Tour of Duty?
No mention of dual subsriptions, so you will probably only need one.
ra
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Yeah Sour I asked the same question (but kinda hid what I was asking in an obscure title) No one bothered to look at it... its here
Question About New Arena (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=76457)
Pretty much the same thing you asked bud..
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Didnt HT mention that the mission arena would just be another arena? Do you have to have two subs for the CT or for Events?
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undecided.
HiTech
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Masochism ...a classic example.......:rolleyes:
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Innominate I'd agree with you if that was the case, but the AHII seems to be almost an entirely different game, that would need a different download.
If it does become the core download, but then the "Classic" arena is still available then probably not, but it really seems they're moving into an entirely new product here.
Thanks HT for the response albeit some what short, but helpful. I like to think that this is an understanding mature community (for the most part, other than the occasional jokesters) and that you are an active participant in something you've created with your staff. We appreciate the staff bringing most of the plans/updates to the Aces High community eventhough you've got to keep some order, and privacy. Its just nice to be informed. Thanks again.
-BlckMgk
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Prolly take more record keeping in the Mission Arena. Additional servers. Ya, it should have its own subscription. If it's going to be $15/mo, so be it. I think I would enjoy both for different reasons and would appreciate a choise when I log on to the type of flyn I'd be able to do:)
Will it make people chose between MA or Mission arena, I don't know. I think most would pay the additional fee. Just a feeling about this community.
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Hm AHII looks to be quite nice... But even the problem with a new GE it also brings the problem of divided players, b/c i dont think players of the old GE will be able to play with players with the new GE... So there is the next question how do u want to handle the payment, i dont think that HTC will offer it for free download like Aces High and rise the same costs for it, because every AH player would "upgrade" to the new system. So how will HTC wanto to sell it? As a free download and a one-time-only-30$ fee, or as boxed version. But boxed version would probably be the death of most "old" players who arent able to buy it at store, like me and i think many many others too..
Just my 2cents.....
and sorry for my poor english
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Only reason that would create the need for a new name - a new product.
One subscription for the new product will surely include a subscription to the old one, so there will only be one required.
I'm not sure if I like this. It'll split the community. Not only for the kind of game each likes to play but probably for financial reasons.
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Originally posted by hitech
undecided.
HiTech
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What HTC MAY be doing could be ingenious.
Here is a way to upgrade the Game Engine, thereby satisfying the owners of higher end PCs, while keeping the original AH with the same game engine to maintain the current subscriber base.
It's a great business decision if this is what he's planning.
Think about it. And I know he said "Undecided" but we can speculate, so relax.
You get the newer players who want the eye candy. You get the players with the higher end machines. They pay their $15.00 a month, and get the mission arena.
Then you keep the original AH as is, the players with older machines keep paying their $15.00 a month.
Boom. You've got a whole new game, and you grow your subcriber base.
Maybe a compromise would work. (I know, more speculation)
$20.00 a month, access to both arenas.
$10.00 a month, access to original AH arenas.
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LoL ooops sorry, seems i forget to write down THATīs JUST HYPOTHETICALLY! Sorry, but iīd play other Onlione games before it, and just want to say what i dont like to see in AH or AHII. ;-)
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I'm not worried..If this new theatre works as said you won't see much of me in the MA anymore.
:)
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either way I could go for........
24.99 unlimited
14.99 keeps ya in the main or the MT
10.00 for event subcriptions
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How many of us remember when we were paying $30 a month to fly in the MA, back when we had that map with the 10k A1 in the center? We paid, we flew, we were happy. When HT dropped the price to $15 a month, hey great! More flying, more fun. If we didn't mind $30 a month back then, what's so wrong with $30 a month for the MA as it is now (a whole lot better than it used to be), AND the AH2 option? Don't get me wrong, if it can stay at $15 a month, that's always preferable, but I know I'd still pay for AH if the price had to go back up to what it originally was.
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Originally posted by hitech
undecided.
HiTech
Not good
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30$ was not a problem then 'cause there really weren't any serious competition. You could choose a new, evolving game with nice graphics or that other brand.
It was pretty easy decision.
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Originally posted by hitech
undecided.
HiTech
Maybe a little higer price is ok in my thoughts but a full second account ??
Not with me
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Originally posted by Wotan
either way I could go for........
24.99 unlimited
14.99 keeps ya in the main or the MT
10.00 for event subcriptions
I hope not
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"If we didn't mind $30 a month back then, what's so wrong with $30 a month for the MA as it is now "
And remember how many people played AH then as compared to now. I played AH back then, but not constantly since I don't think 30 bucks a month is worth it for ANY game (I ended up playing about every third month or so).
J_A_B --> thinks 15 bucks is about the max I'm willing to pay for a monthly game
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Dont know how I missed it but this is the first I've heard of an AHII. Is there a site to go to to check it out?
The one single thing that kept me and Im sure many others away from AH at the $30 per month time was the price.
And that was during a runaway economy. A substantial increase would to more to drive customers away then anything else.
My opinion is you keep the price low. you will attract far more buisness then with the higher price and with it more profit.
there was an old saying I do not remember exactly how it goes but it was something like selling something to 5,000 people for $5.00 each or selling to a million chineese for $1
I know thats not exactly how it goes but I think you get the idea.
More customers at a lower price is often more profitable then less customers at higher prices.
I agree with J_A_B there hasnt been an online game created worth $30 per month
Dont get me wrong, this is a great game. I love it.
Its just that its not $360 a year worth of great LOL
Drediock (but really misses his old AW handle of /IT\ )
Originally posted by J_A_B
"If we didn't mind $30 a month back then, what's so wrong with $30 a month for the MA as it is now "
And remember how many people played AH then as compared to now. I played AH back then, but not constantly since I don't think 30 bucks a month is worth it for ANY game (I ended up playing about every third month or so).
J_A_B --> thinks 15 bucks is about the max I'm willing to pay for a monthly game
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Seems to me that the mission arena comes with a "maintenance" budget requirement.........
Because someone has to generate missions. Hopefully not any where near as labour intensive as the mission stuff we have now but none the less even an automated mission system would need on going development to cater for the massive potential of a complex terrain with multiple, rides/fields/spawn points.
Further development of AI components may also force investment.
There would come a point or time where the product has to generate significant revenue to pay for the investment or it becomes a drain on the core product (and its development) that spawned it. (we see this drain already)
HTC will have studied this long and hard, but would wait to establish a better idea of market demand and therefore revenue potential before committing to one method of furthing its revenue stream or another.
We can all see the options......
if its a flop then not much will change other than HTC writting off a load of time and effort to experience without the advance in the core product they may have elsewise achieved...... (but nothing ventured would have been nothing gained)
if it supports a small but significant increase in the player base then there still may not be any need for revenue enhancement other than so called "inflationary" price increasing.
Significant sole usage of the new product gives many options... You start with types of standard or premium account systems where by users will pay std rate for Classic or Tour of Duty only and a premium rate to access both.........
If the AI developments allow significant off line play then you could build an ownership cost into the product. Hence while downloading Classic would be free, Tour of Duty would have to be purchased. This coupled with some other sales methods could inject some revenue up front to accelerate further development.
From my own point of view I would happily pay more for a fast growing game base........ regular supply of new goodies is worth it.
Which ever route HTC are able to follow I wish them the best of it.
This is already a marvellous product from a small, but efficiently run team. I can see that life would become a tad boring (from their side) if it was limited to developing a new ride / minor upgrade per month just to hang onto or marginally increase the player base.
Going for something with unknown yet massive potential is exciting ........ planning the cash flow is sensible and imperative.
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The Oliver Stone's are out in force.
What say we wait an see what the boss man decides? He's been good at asking for our input in the past. :cool:
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Gentlemen, the fact of the mater how we will charge for AHII has not even been a topic of discusion at htc, it never even entered my mind how it will be charged for until this thread was started.
There are a lot of desicions to be made about the "mission" side of AHII that will effect how it will be postioned, so to discuss it at this point is moot.
So change undecided to , don't have a clue, havn't even thought about it.
HiTech
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Originally posted by J_A_B
J_A_B --> thinks 15 bucks is about the max I'm willing to pay for a monthly game
I second that.
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I would not pay more for the new arena. It sounds mildly interesting, but frankly MA already takes up too much of my time.
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Keep the AH II mission thingy high, like $29 a month, and leave the MA at $9.95, that way we'll have weeded the kiddies out of there. :D
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Rip,
Do you own stock in HTC err something??:eek: $29.99? That's allot of MooLaa:)
How about an additional charge per use in the mission arena of a couple dollars per loggin (discoes not included).
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6$ per hour
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how about dropping the subject unitl HTC has decided? :D
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Is this the evil petting zoo?
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I like monkeys!
Seriously, what's wrong with speculation?
Yes, it's HTs world, and his decision, but we are just having a nice conversation amongst ourselves.
There's nothing here to get worked up about.
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Nothing wrong with speculation.
It's HTC's world, and his decision.
Having a nice conversation is good.
There's nothing here to get worked up about.
Topic cancellation charge will not be payed.
:)
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Originally posted by fffreeze220
6$ per hour
1$ per plane you don't bring home.
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Originally posted by ccvi
1$ per plane you don't bring home.
I'd be out of money in less than a week.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Keep the AH II mission thingy high, like $29 a month, and leave the MA at $9.95, that way we'll have weeded the kiddies out of there. :D
Not the kiddies, the players that don't have money to blow. 30 bucks is nuts for my budget.
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Originally posted by J_A_B
--> thinks 15 bucks is about the max I'm willing to pay for a monthly game
Third that.
Originally posted by Nilsen10
how about dropping the subject unitl HTC has decided?
Second that.
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S!
Started playing AH when the monthly fee was $30. Was no problem. With $15 per month even less. I sit and wait what AH2 will bring and then decide which one to fly IF 2 accounts are implemented.