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"Seismographs at Columbia University’s Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory in Palisades, N.Y., 21 miles north of the WTC, recorded strange seismic activity on Sept. 11 that has still not been explained.
While the aircraft crashes caused minimal earth shaking, significant earthquakes with unusual spikes occurred at the beginning of each collapse.
The Palisades seismic data recorded a 2.1 magnitude earthquake during the 10-second collapse of the South Tower at 9:59:04 and a 2.3 quake during the 8-second collapse of the North Tower at 10:28:31.
However, the Palisades seismic record shows that—as the collapses began—a huge seismic “spike” marked the moment the greatest energy went into the ground. The strongest jolts were all registered at the beginning of the collapses, well before the falling debris struck the Earth."
Seismic spikes (http://www.americanfreepress.net/09_03_02/NEW_SEISMIC_/new_seismic_.html)
Strange days indeed.
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Good find weazel. I just uncovered the CIA secret weapon really used to bring down the WTC..
Project EROC (http://www.thecoremovie.com/)
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Indeed.
Maybe it was bombs placed at the base of the buildings to jar the start of the collapse? Hmmmmm, maybe all part of a Bush plot to turn America against the Middle East so as to steal their oil?
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damn Grun, you beat me to it. :D
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What a freak, isnt he AKIron?
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What did you disagree with in the article?
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IIRC the WTC collapsed from the inside first.
The outer walls seem to have collapsed after the inner structure gave way. When I watched it happen on TV, it seemed to fall in on itself from the top down.
Maybe there was more to the plan than we know, maybe there were truckbombs also... They've done it before.
Or maybe it is a conspiracy between the CIA and george bush!
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I expected at least a "Death to Amreeka" out of you. :rolleyes:
(http://members.shaw.ca/rbham/images/tt.jpg)
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I am shocked that the collapse of a huge building would cause strange seismic readings. Clearly there is a huge chimpy conspiracy at work. My tinfoil hat, please.
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LETS ROLL! (http://www.asu.net/bsh/union.wmv)
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You sure do spend a lot of time bashing Bush Weazel... did he screw you out of an 8-ball?
-SW
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Strange... Lamont's database doesn't list any earthquakes of any magnitude in NYC after between February 2001 and the end of September 2001.
Huh. I wonder where they got their data.
MiniD
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Originally posted by funkedup
I am shocked that the collapse of a huge building would cause strange seismic readings.
It's not a question of the collapse causing seismic readings. And although they may not be a shock you, they seem to be a surprise to actual seismologist.
Apparently the seismic event was very short and happened at the beginning of the collapse, before the the debris of the building hit the ground.
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Originally posted by Mini D
Strange... Lamont's database doesn't list any earthquakes of any magnitude in NYC after between February 2001 and the end of September 2001.
Huh. I wonder where they got their data.
MiniD
Were the hell did the data go then?
"Shaking the ground
When the crumbling towers thudded to the ground, they created ground tremors equal to earthquakes of magnitude 2.1 and 2.3, as measured by a seismic station in Palisades, New York, 21 miles (34 kilometers) north of Manhattan.
These would be small numbers for earthquakes, not likely to be felt by anyone, since an earthquake is typically centered miles below the surface, its energy radiating out and dissipating over great distances. But the energy from the collapse of the towers was focused in a very small area, making it remarkable that the events were detected at all outside lower Manhattan.
Much of this energy went into destroying the buildings themselves and generating the cloud of debris."
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/generalscience/wtc_science_010919.html
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Reality Check! This article is from the website that gives us such fine reading as can be seen below.
Please check them out here:
http://www.americanfreepress.net/9-11/9-11.html
Why on earth would any sensible person give it any credibility?
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>>>"Seismographs at Columbia University’s Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory in Palisades, N.Y., 21 miles north of the WTC, recorded strange seismic activity on Sept. 11 that has still not been explained. <<<
when the fire damaged floors collapsed, the (undamaged) top part of the building fell on to the (undamaged) bottom part of the building, that shock was trasmited down the columns to bedrock, the seismographs recorded that"spike".
therefore :: the "spike" should have occured at the start of the collapse.
now the real question is should columbia award me a honorary doctorate for solving their "strange seismic activity"
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They're seismologists, not structural engineers. This reminds me of TWA 800. The tinfoil hat crowd really struggle with the mystery of scientific data.
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I'm out of tinfoil, but I've got an extra bubble-wrap suit if you want Funked.
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Weazel does aluminum foil work as well as tinfoil to stop the evil bush-waves? BTW I'm not making fun of you weazel, I just recognize you clear expertize in the field.
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Weazel does aluminum foil work as well as tinfoil?
For what? Smoking crack?
-SW
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To stop the evil bush mind control waves... Duh! But I'm sure weazel is an expert in both fields..
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Originally posted by funkedup
They're seismologists, not structural engineers. This reminds me of TWA 800. The tinfoil hat crowd really struggle with the mystery of scientific data.
the presence of one of clinton's foreign bagmen (likley to have subpoenaed by ken lay, et al in the following months) on the plane urged them on
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Wow.. thanks for finding that thrawn. But maybe I'm missing something:
(http://a52.g.akamaitech.net/f/52/827/1d/www.space.com/images/wtc_seismic_010919_02.gif)
Where's the spike that preceded the colapse?
MiniD
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DJ that is the fake CIA doctored copy, the real charts are only available from the Sheikh Bin Laden geological survey office - Cave 314, tribal areas, northwest frontier province Pakistan. Please send SASE. :rolleyes:
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No toejam talk about propoganda!
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I am just trying to be helpful, Weasel.
Your condemnation of all authority is one of the classic symptoms of psychological “Displacement” which in it most energetic form, Freud characterizes as the ego rejecting the incompatible idea completely with its affect and then behaves as if the idea never occurred. But, at this moment, the subject is in a psychosis, which can only be classified as `hallucinatory confusion`. Thus the ego is said to have separated itself from reality so that the hallucination can persist.
As a Freudian, I believe the root cause of your anxieties to be psychosexual in nature. Anxiety neurosis is said to have a sexual origin but it does not attach itself to ideas taken from one's sexual life, i.e., "it has no psychical mechanism." The specific cause of anxiety neurosis is said to be an accumulation of sexual tension produced by the abstinence or unconsummation of sexual excitation. It is quite common for males to manifest many deep-seated psychological problems in a perception of phallic size deficiency.
In this instance, it is your perception that is more important than any actual physical phallic size deficiency. I recently suggested the first step in your treatment, which would then open up an opportunity for the psychoanalytical process to delve deeper into the problem.
My colleague, who eschews Freud and follows the teachings of CG Jung, of course disagrees with my diagnosis. He thinks you’re an idiot.
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
My colleague, who eschews Freud and follows the teachings of CG Jung, of course disagrees with my diagnosis. He thinks you’re an idiot.
LOL
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
DJ that is the fake CIA doctored copy, the real charts are only available from the Sheikh Bin Laden geological survey office - Cave 314, tribal areas, northwest frontier province Pakistan. Please send SASE...
¢ave 314 su×
Cave 76 r°º0Oo|Z!
"Let 'em all go to hell, except Cave Seventy-Six!"
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My dick is big enough McGroin...and no, you can't touch it. :D
It's amusing to see the tactics you "conservatives" come up with to discredit anyone who disagrees with chimpy.
FYI, I have been evaluated by two different psychologists in the past using WAIS, MMPI, and MCMI as well as approx 20 hours of interviews.
Results: rigid and highly moralistic were boths conclusion.
Those tests are kind of absurd though, anyone with a good memory and language skills can easily manipulate them if they choose to, I guess they might be useful for evaluating an imbecile but not much else.
If your going to pretend to be something your not on the internet you should find another profession, your not doing very well pretending to be an expert on mental health.
IMO your responses have about as much credibility as grunhurz and funkeds attempts to pigeon-hole me.
Nice try though...thanks for playing.
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a/ While I am concerned with your mental state, you seem to be concerned about me touching you. Is that what you want? perhaps you have some other issues to examine...
b/ Once again, blindly lashing out at authority are we?
c/ I notice you didn't refute the idiot part.
Game, set, match:D
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If you stop calling me a conservative I'll stop calling you a mentally ill conspiracy nut.
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Your Conservative Funked? I am SHocKed.
I think the Spikes refered to are those at the beginning of the collapse.
Anyone watch the special on the Kursk? There was alot of discussion regarding the spikes on the seismology charts for that incident.
To this uneducated individual, I would have figured the largest spike would have come with the end of the collapse.
disclaimer: If those charts are truely genuine :)
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Originally posted by Thrawn
It's not a question of the collapse causing seismic readings. And although they may not be a shock you, they seem to be a surprise to actual seismologist.
Apparently the seismic event was very short and happened at the beginning of the collapse, before the the debris of the building hit the ground.
you mean the shock of a jetliner hitting the wall structures and radiating thro the foundations?
naw that wouldnt cause any shockwaves....
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X2 , those shocks are seen and are not the ones being talked about..look at the chart.
And No I dont think its a conspiracy, just odd.
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weaz works for The Sun and National Enquirer .. pls ignore his babble
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Originally posted by weazel
LOL! Psycho-babble
Loosely translated: "If I had a dime for every time a shrink told me that, I'd be rich. Instead, I pretend they are all wrong and post this stuff in hopes that my noodle will grow. Now, off I go to the enlarger pump."
BTW... Holden... I think you are right, but only touching on things (hope that phrase didn't cause a release with weazel). You're completely ignoring weazel's desire to be much too complex for people to be able to figure out unless you're claiming its all a ruse to throw suspicion away from his abnormally small noodle size. I think there is more to it than that.
MiniD
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so weazel... we can assume that you believe every article posted on that site? Half of em? maybe a quarter? how bout.... only those that show that Bush personaly blew up the WYC in order to invade the middle east and obtain world domination?
lazs
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The obvious implication here from the obvious suspects is an inside job on 9/11. Cant argue with a lunatic. Dont even try.
Too bad though..........
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Originally posted by Ping
And No I dont think its a conspiracy, just odd.
Exactly, no harm in keeping an open mind.
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Somewhere there's a village missing it's idiot.
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These 911 conspiracy nuts are just like holocaust deniers... Sad sad sad to see you guys respecting or considering this "info" even one bit...
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
These 911 conspiracy nuts are just like holocaust deniers... Sad sad sad to see you guys respecting or considering this "info" even one bit...
Better then being an automaton robot. Ya know, not to long about people KNEW the sun revolved around the Earth beacause the church told them so.
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Originally posted by Thrawn
Better then being an automaton robot. Ya know, not to long about people KNEW the sun revolved around the Earth beacause the church told them so.
AND because they could see it with their own eyes perhaps?
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So how does that excuse holocaust deiniers Thrawn?
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
So how does that excuse holocaust deiniers Thrawn?
I never said it did, you are trying to put words into my mouth.
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BS Thrawn.
You said we just shouldnt be drones and simply accept what people tell us, clearly implying even people like those who run that bizzare website have a point and are worth listening to. Well thats no different than giving credence to some whacko who thinks and write on the internet that the death camp corpse pile pictures were just rubber dolls made by jews to fool everyone. I mean for 50 years everyone has believed there was actualluy a nazi genocide, what drones they are... And since both are lies of the same type and magnitude excusing one logically follows you would excuse the other.
Ask yourself what are your real motives for giving any credence to that webiste?
The same webiste that says Al Qaeada was not involved with 911.
The same website that says Mossad secret agent posing as arabs were actaually on the planes, not al qeada terrorists.
etc.
etc.
etc.
Shame on you Thrawn..
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
These 911 conspiracy nuts are just like holocaust deniers... Sad sad sad to see you guys respecting or considering this "info" even one bit...
the problem is that gov't & media feeds us almost exclusively half-truths, lies & other forms of manipulative information so it's gotten to the point where everything that happens is suspicious & nothing is above being turned into political capital. under the conditions of complete distrust, if junior has benefited from the knocking down of the world trade towers, then quid pro quo, he is behind it
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And that excuses holocaust deniers?
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Grunherz, you are so full of toejam.
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Nope Thrawn, dont be pissed at me because I'm calling you on your shameful behavior. You have to face the what you are doing and the type of people you are defending.
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Maybe you should answer his question instead thrawn.
From where Im sitting it looks like you painted yourself into a corner with that reply to Grun, and instead of taking back what you said you jump to plan b) personal insults.
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I bet ex-Nazis, the CIA and space aliens were behind it:
"...Another figure has an EVIL face... 'HE LOOKS LIKE A GERMAN NAZI. HE'S A NAZI... HIS EYES! HIS EYES. I'VE NEVER SEEN EYES LIKE THAT BEFORE!!!"
The above quote was made under regressive hypnosis by one of the first publicized 'UFO abductees', Barney Hill who -- along with his wife Betty -- claimed to have been abducted by grey-skinned entities from a space craft which apparently originated from the Zeta II Reticuli star system. The Grey alien abductors were obviously working with the human military officer who was encountered by Barney. This military officer was apparently a full-fledged Nazi, although this incident took place over 15 years after Europe had 'supposedly' been de-Nazified. This quote can be found in the paranormal encyclopedia "MYSTERIES OF THE MIND, TIME & SPACE", p. 1379.
Those who are familiar with the connections between Nazi's and UFO's may find the following document easier to accept than those who have never been introduced to the reports of secret Nazi aerial disk experiments, much less reports of their secret collaboration with the so-called Grey aliens years before the corporate-fascist infiltrators and sympathizers within the U.S. Intelligence Agencies began making their own treaties with these same serpentine 'aliens'.
Much information has been released about an 8-Level underground base under Camp Hero near Montauk Point, Long Island where full-fledged Nazi and CIA agents have apparently been working on sophisticated time-space manipulation experiments, as well as microwave mind-control experiments aimed at large populations, which are -- according to researchers Al Bielek and Preston Nicholes -- being carried out to a greater degree than ever before under the cover of the Alaskan 'HAARP' project. It has been stated that unusual frequency broadcasts were detected all over Los Angeles prior to the L.A. Riots of 1992 shortly before the riots broke out, and there were inferences that the L.A. Riots were part of an "Operation Garden Plot" trial-run to establish martial law in America on the pretext of preventing a potential race war throughout the country.
From OmegaFile (http://www.anomalous-images.com/text/omega.html)
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Now there's something perfectly reasonable I'm willing accept, no more drone automaton status for me!!! Free! Free! I'm Free.... :D
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Originally posted by Hortlund
Maybe you should answer his question instead thrawn.
From where Im sitting it looks like you painted yourself into a corner with that reply to Grun, and instead of taking back what you said you jump to plan b) personal insults.
What a stupid thing say. Your response is just about as idiotic as Gurns. Your statement is just about the most narrowminded, short sighted piece of drivel I've ever seen. It would seem that such post would come from the mind of a syphillic imbecile.
Indeed, the only thing with less thought put into it was Grun's sad excuse for a troll, where he majically takes my post about open mindedness/critical thought and though an amazing grasp of assine and innane logic to the conclusion that I support holocaust deniers.
I would expect as much from Grun, and am saddly reminded why I squelched him in the first place. It is somewhat bewildering that a would-be judge can't grasp something that appears so simple and self-evident. Perhaps they are so desparate in Sweden for judges that the ablility to actually reason is not a prerequiste, you think they could do better with all that tax money.
Anyways, this is more of response then either of you deserve.
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
And that excuses holocaust deniers?
if i didn't know people that liberated camps & people that were in camps (if i didn't have access to primary source information), i might say yes
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Thrawn why do you want to believe in that stuff? Why is it any doifferent than open-mindedness about the idea some people put forward about the holocaust being a fraud?
Youre just pissed because I called you on it..
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Thrawn why do you want to believe in that stuff? Why is it any doifferent than open-mindedness about the idea some people put forward about the holocaust being a fraud?
Youre just pissed because I called you on it..
I support their right to present their information. I think it's a good idea to have an open mind. And to look at information critically. I think it is a bad idea, to dismiss information just because you don't like the source.
I'm pissed off because you are up to your old tricks of trying to twist the contents of some posts to fit your narrow world view.
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Somebody pass the popcorn.
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This is ridiculous. You guys are just arguing to argue. And giving weazel this much attention only encourages him. You may think that confronting him with his... differentness... might make him realize something about himself and change his ways. It doesn't work that way. It only reinforces his self-image as the great crusader for liberty and virtual martyr for the anti-chimpy grass roots movement.
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Originally posted by funkedup
This is ridiculous. You guys are just arguing to argue. And giving weazel this much attention only encourages him. You may think that confronting him with his... differentness... might make him realize something about himself and change his ways.
For the record I put weazel in the same catagory as Grun. Extremists with closed minds. Two sides of the same coin. One right, one left. Separated at birth, tied together through a common destiny...sorry got off track there.
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Nevermind Funked..hes a conservative ;)
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I'm often rude in these discussion no doubt, and I attack often no doubt, and I'm agressive, but to compare me to a psychopath like weazel is just outrageous.
And Thrawn how bout this lets see those charts that show seismic events distinctly before the towers fell - I mean if one would be open minded about it I'd at least like some evidence... Otherwise they are just holocaust deneir type nutcases.
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Grun..all I ask is that you re-read all your posts and see for yourself that you are indeed a nutcase.....although a weasel tends to be a smaller and cuter little critter. :D
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So for example I jump on a guy whose great heros are murders like Che Guevara and Fidel Castro and thinks communism is still a noble idea and you say I'm nutcase..
I'm pissed that UN cowards let 8,000-10,000 innocent civilians under their direct protection get murgdered in an act of genocide, and I'm the nutcase.
I hate communism because it destroyed my country and the lives of billions of other people around the world and i'm a nutcase.
I actually think America, my new home and the best place on earth to live and make the most out of a person, is a great place and trying to do her best in a difficult world and I'm a nutcase.
I think it's ludicrous that some guy belevies there were no airplanes involved in the 911 attack, or that the towers fell not due to airplane hits but due to mysterious undocumented seismic events, and thinks mossad and the cia did the attacks and I'm a nutcase.
Any more ping, did I miss anything?
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And Thrawn i'm still waiting for those charts...
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(http://www.fabiomaugeri.it/simpsons/images/CFOTOlastra_homer.jpg)
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
So for example I jump on a guy whose great heros are murders like Che Guevara and Fidel Castro and thinks communism is still a noble idea and you say I'm nutcase..
I'm pissed that UN cowards let 8,000-10,000 innocent civilians under their direct protection get murgdered in an act of genocide, and I'm the nutcase.
I hate communism because it destroyed my country and the lives of billions of other people around the world and i'm a nutcase.
I actually think America, my new home and the best place on earth to live and make the most out of a person, is a great place and trying to do her best in a difficult world and I'm a nutcase.
I think it's ludicrous that some guy belevies there were no airplanes involved in the 911 attack, or that the towers fell not due to airplane hits but due to mysterious undocumented seismic events, and thinks mossad and the cia did the attacks and I'm a nutcase.
Any more ping, did I miss anything?
You are clearly a victim of imperialist satanist propaganda. DETH TO GREAT SATAN BOSH!!! DETH TO AMREEKA!!!
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You are clearly a victim of imperialist satanist propaganda. DETH TO GREAT SATAN BOSH!!! DETH TO AMREEKA!!!
<~~anyone who wishes death on any people need to be put down like a bad horse
there is no conspiracy,,,2 huge planes full of fuel hit the wtc<~~would of took any skyscraper down in the world with out any help from cia or bombs under it,,lol,,and the earth quake is from the falling building,,,the power of them buildings hitting ground level was suposta be close to the force of a nucler bomb,,,thats alot of metal and concret falling
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anyone who wishes death on any people need to be put down like a bad horse
So people who wish other death on other people, you wish death upon them?
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Originally posted by funkedup
So people who wish other death on other people, you wish death upon them?
LMAO! :D
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LOL Thrawn, this is actually kinda funny.
Lets see what I wrote first:
From where Im sitting it looks like you painted yourself into a corner with that reply to Grun, and instead of taking back what you said you jump to plan b) personal insults.
And lets look at your reply to my post:
Originally posted by Thrawn
What a stupid thing say. Your response is just about as idiotic as Gurns. Your statement is just about the most narrowminded, short sighted piece of drivel I've ever seen. It would seem that such post would come from the mind of a syphillic imbecile.
[SNIP]
Still sticking to plan B I see?
Hey MT, I know you are watching this one, can you please explain the irony here to thrawn .
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No Grun, Its your constantly taking statements and twisting them to suit your Constant seething hatred against anyone that you perceive to be against America and the Flag. If someone doesn't agree with your view, chances are good that you will lash out in Rage and then start personal attacks.
That in my mind makes you a nutcase.
Now hand me my Tin cap
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So people who wish other death on other people, you wish death upon them?
yup! ever hear of do on to otheres,,as they would do to you? guess you havent read your morals lately,,lol you wish death upon people just because there from a diffrent country,,sounds like you need to read a good book:PI think it's ludicrous that some guy belevies there were no airplanes involved in the 911 attack
that is very true,,lol that is pure crazy,,when millions of people watched it happen,, not even the goverment could fake a 747 crashing into the wtc buildings in front of millions of people ,in the middle of the day,, at lunch rush,,impossible to fake,,the streets were full of people watching the planes fly into them ,,this isnt david copperfield making the buildings disappear in some staged event,,it was real