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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Ripsnort on January 22, 2003, 09:56:32 AM
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I laughed like hell reading this. :)
http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110002940
The Scarlet SUV
Who's against sport-utility vehicles? A bunch of geeks.
BY DAVID BROOKS
Tuesday, January 21, 2003 12:01 a.m. EST
I don't own an SUV, but now that they've been identified as the locus of evil,
I'm thinking of getting one. And if I do, I figure I might as well let the inner
wolf out for a rampage and get the most obnoxious SUV I can find.
My SUV, assuming Hummer comes out with a model for those who find the current
ones too cramped, will look something like the Louisiana Superdome on wheels.
It'll guzzle so much gas as I walk out to my driveway there will be squads of
Saudi princes gaping and applauding. It'll come, when I buy it, with little
Hondas and Mazdas already embedded in the front grillwork. Inside I'll install
video screens so that impressionable youngsters can play Grand Theft Auto on the
way to weekly NRA meetings. And there will be room in the back for tobacco
lobbyists nibbling on french fries and endangered prawns.
Please understand that I don't want to do this, but the campaign against the SUV
is so fevered that I find myself being propelled in an equal and opposite
direction. Princeton's Peter Singer, the most mysteriously prestigious thinker
in America, wrote an essay in which he helpfully pointed out that SUV drivers
kill far more people than the Sept. 11 hijackers. Arianna Huffington, leading
those who have kitchens the size of Texas on a crusade against people who have
cars the size of Colorado, has also compared SUV drivers to terrorists.
The main charge is that people who drive sport "utes" are moral savages. SUV
drivers "tend to be people who are insecure and vain" not to mention
"self-absorbed, with little interest in their neighbors and communities," writes
Keith Bradsher in his book, "High and Mighty: SUVs--The World's Most Dangerous
Vehicles and How They Got That Way." Thoughtful people are usually skeptical
about broad generalizations about people's souls on the basis of what car they
drive. But the pot of revivalism is aboil. The moral fervor that was in past
epochs fixated on witchcraft, whiskey, fur coats, cigarettes and child-abuse
rings is now etching SUV in scarlet letters. How to explain this fervor, which
has risen to the level of a liberal fatwa?
First, remember this is largely a civil war within the educated class. Nobody
seems to assault pickup-truck drivers, even though some of the newer pickups
look like wheeled aircraft carriers and their beds are surprisingly unscuffed.
Nobody picks on minivans, though the Dodge Grand Caravan ES gets only 6 miles
more per gallon than the Dodge Durango SUV. Remember also that, as Van Wyck
Brooks, Santayana and others have observed, there have always been two educated
classes. On the one hand, there's the genteel elite, which lives in a world of
literature, ideas, refinement and modesty. On the other, there's the aristocracy
of commerce, people who thrive through self-assertion, competitiveness, daring
and magnetism. To put it in modern terms, there are geeks and jocks.
This anti-SUV fervor strikes me as a classic geek assault on jock culture. Here
are the geeks: thoughtful, socially and environmentally conscious. They
understand that only spiritually shallow people could possibly get pleasure from
a motor vehicle. Then there are those jocks. They cruise through life
infuriatingly unaware of how morally inferior they are to the geeks. They make
money, become popular, play golf and have homes that are too large. And they're
happy! For all the wrong reasons! And so every few years the geeks pick on some
feature of jock life (McMansions, corporations, fraternities, country clubs) and
get all worked up about it. And you know what? The jocks don't care! They just
keep being happy. The geeks write, protest and fume. The jocks go to St. Croix.
So the anti-SUV crusade is part of a pattern, but there's also a more worrisome
element. In centuries past, the armies of righteousness tended to at least fret
about things that really matter: character, virtue, innocence, sin and
depravity. These days moral energies are directed at health, safety and risk.
Narcissism, dishonesty and promiscuity are regarded as mere lifestyle choices.
But driving a car with trunk space is a sin worse than seven of the Ten
Commandments. This is defining righteousness down.
If we're going to have moral fervors--and though they're insufferable, they're
overall a positive feature of life--then let's at least have them about things
that really matter. And let's resist the do-gooders' temptation to see
everything fun as morally suspect. The anti-SUV brigades like to point out that
most owners never actually take them off-road. Imagine what environmentalists
would say if they did!
Buying an SUV is partly an act of fantasy. It's a way to connect imaginatively
with a more inspiring life than the one you actually lead. Like every muscle car
before it, SUVs are big, dangerous and superfluous, but they're also poetry made
of metal. They're symptoms of a latent spiritedness, even in a sedate suburban
world. There's nothing wrong with having a little poetry in your life. Surely
the geeks can see that?
Mr. Brooks, a senior editor at The Weekly Standard, is author of "Bobos in
Paradise: The New Upper Class and How They Got There" (Simon & Schuster, 2000).
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Yeah Rip..it's been a hot topic in the AOL: Autos Chat Forum... bunch of tree huggers..:D
If I want a SUV I'll buy one...
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terrorists thank you for the support
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Originally posted by nuchpatrick
Yeah Rip..it's been a hot topic in the AOL: Autos Chat Forum... bunch of tree huggers..:D
If I want a SUV I'll buy one...
And If I want a SUV then I'll go and see a Psychiatrist cos
I obviously need to resolve some issues about vulnerability and feelings of insignificance. :D
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Originally posted by bounder
And If I want a SUV then I'll go and see a Psychiatrist cos
I obviously need to resolve some issues about vulnerability and feelings of insignificance. :D
Here
are the geeks: thoughtful, socially and environmentally conscious. They
understand that only spiritually shallow people could possibly get pleasure from
a motor vehicle. Then there are those jocks. They cruise through life
infuriatingly unaware of how morally inferior they are to the geeks. They make
money, become popular, play golf and have homes that are too large. And they're
happy! For all the wrong reasons! And so every few years the geeks pick on some
feature of jock life (McMansions, corporations, fraternities, country clubs) and
get all worked up about it. And you know what? The jocks don't care! They just
keep being happy. The geeks write, protest and fume. The jocks go to St. Croix.
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I bought a 4 wheel drive jeep after sliding my mustang down a very steep private partially paved residential hill with my mom in the car.
We ended up in a woodpile after driving over a chunk of wet clay trying to get up the hill.
The tow truck driver couldn't get his truck down the hill and he said he sure as hell couldn't tow my car up it.
He owned the same type of car so he got a running start and got up to the clay area where he too lost traction and almost went over the cliff on the rhand side...but the momentum he had was just enough to get him crawling up the top side of the clay.
The convertible mustang was great in california for getting around in traffic and such and was nice to drive in on sunny days with the top down but out here with residences on the penninsula not having paved roads or well kept roads, it's all about safety for me.
plenty of room for groceries and christmas tree and stuff too in the jeep :)
We sent the tow truck driver a gift basket and thank you card, tow truck drivers rock :)
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don't get me wrong. I'm not "against SUVs". It's just if I wanted to buy one, I'd need my head examined cos I got nowhere to park it or drive it apart from the Supermarket.
I don't think you need to be spiritually shallow to get pleasure from a motor vehicle.
I think you need a giant butt-plug and a long drive down a rutted track to get pleasure from a motor vehicle.
Or am I wrong?
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Originally posted by bounder
I think you need a giant butt-plug and a long drive down a rutted track to get pleasure from a motor vehicle.
Or am I wrong?
Youre wrong. How you get "pleasure" from an SUV is beyond me as I dont do any offroading, and I dont see SUV's as any sort of "in" hot vehicle.
Look at the sports car market... are we buying these cars because they fill some practical need? Nope.
I dunno - the SUV thing I dont understand... but I'd trade the girlfriend in on more than one of Stuttgart's finest and a lap around the 'Ring... so for me - yes - cars give "pleasure." :cool:
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I drive a 1976 Chev 4X4 5/4 ton, Former CDN Mil pickup and I fall asleep quite nicely at night Thanx :)
Yep a nice 350 cu inch to pump out those nasty emmisions.
Course it helps that I do work with it in my line of work.
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Thrawn defines geek. :)
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I hope those jerk offs get put in jail for vandalizing peoples cars.
WHO THE HELL DO THESE PEOPLE THINK THEY ARE!?
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bigger the car smaller the noodle. its all about the noodle.
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Originally posted by Frogm4n
bigger the car smaller the noodle. its all about the noodle.
So, Al Gore has a small noodle? (Drives a Chevy Suburban)
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Al Gore has a noodle?
I thought Tipper had the noodle in that partnership.
She certainly knows dick.
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Originally posted by bounder
Al Gore has a noodle?
I thought Tipper had the noodle in that partnership.
She certainly knows dick.
rotflol!
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here is the simple solution.........:rolleyes:
american automobile makers should stop building gas powered cars, trucks, and SUVs and start building electric vehicles for cars,trucks, and SUVs:rolleyes:
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sports utes were cool befor right idiots bought them for whatever reason
now they are not
bow to the power of idiot yuppies
and i really liked utes
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I love the way the gas guzzler noodle truck/SUV owners justify their attitude of entitlement with phrases like 'choice' and 'this is America, dammit'.. meanwhile they are spewing into the air with their 10 miles a gallon in a vehicle that they never use to potential. ya ya ya..if you are in the snowy hils of Montana..I'll buy in, but on the pavement of a city you hardly need a Navigator or the like.
Ike, you are so right, we need to get off the addiction of oil dependence and drive cleaner cars. The trick is to get the tiny noodle crowd to wean from their insecurities.
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Originally posted by hawk220
I love the way the gas guzzler noodle truck/SUV owners justify their attitude of entitlement with phrases like 'choice' and 'this is America, dammit'.. meanwhile they are spewing into the air with their 10 miles a gallon in a vehicle that they never use to potential. ya ya ya..if you are in the snowy hils of Montana..I'll buy in, but on the pavement of a city you hardly need a Navigator or the like.
Ike, you are so right, we need to get off the addiction of oil dependence and drive cleaner cars. The trick is to get the tiny noodle crowd to wean from their insecurities.
I answered for you in this thread :D
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=76522&referrerid=3203
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Screw u guys...
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So wait... does this mean all the women I see driving these SUVs have small penii too?!?!
Ewwwwwwwwww!!!!
-SW
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I recently acquired, from my father, a 20 year old Chevy Silverado pickup. 350 V-8, all original equipment (am radio and air-conditioning). Only 63,000 miles. Recently repainted. With Wal-Mart brand cans of spray paint.
It don't look half bad, considering. Runs like a top.
The geeks can have it when they pry my cold, dead fingers off the steering wheel.
Shuckins
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I saw that add paid for by that rich squeak...ariana? I found her e-mail address and e-mailed her (not like she will ever get it, but I felt better.) She states that buy owning "gas guzeling" suv's we are supporting terrorist. This is a blanket racist statement that because we get most of our oil from Arab states, that all arabs must be terrorist!!! This shows just how freeking stupid these tree huggers are and just how low they will go, using the death of thousands of innocent people to promote their political cause. Last time I checked binladen didn't sell any oil to the USA. He may get some support from those that do sell us oil but far more of the money we use to buy oil, goes to our allies.
What this Ariana chick is doing is trying to force everyone else to think her way is the only right way, trying to oppress the people of a free country. People like her is the very reason our founding fathers moved to this country. To live free of oppression, and dictators (who force everyone under them to do it their way.) these people don't pay my bills, clean my house, go to work for me, pick up my dog's toejam, and until they do, they will never tell me how to run my life or what to drive. If you are worried about where your gas (oil) money goes do some research on gas stations and buy your gas from those stations that buy their oil from friendly states.
By the way I own an SUV and a Truck, both 4x4, both with the biggest powerplants I could get...
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hawk220
never driven on New York streets have you. :)
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I own a Yellow XTerra. I take it off-road (by off-road I mean "go someplace that requires 4wd") at least once a month. I probably took it camping/hunting 5 times last year.
Screw you guys and your worthless cars with no 4wd or ground clearance.
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It's my money....I'll buy what I want to buy.
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From ReasonOnline.com (http://www.reason.com/sullum/011703.shtml)
Axles of Evil
Anti-SUV hysteria goes into maximum overdrive.
By Jacob Sullum
Arianna Huffington says her anti-SUV commercials have been misunderstood, and I think she's right. To really understand these ads, you have to know something that's not mentioned in the spots themselves: They premiered the same week her new book came out.
The ads, which accuse SUV owners of complicity with terrorism, predictably generated outrage, forcing the columnist to go on TV and radio to explain herself—and, incidentally, to plug her book. If viewing the ads as a book-tour publicity stunt seems too cynical, consider how implausible the alternative explanations are.
At first glance, the commercials seem to be mocking the federal government's anti-drug ads, after which they are closely modeled. Indeed, Huffington says the spots were inspired by her disgust at the government's propaganda, which she rightly calls "ridiculous and wildly inflammatory."
But the satire is undermined by the earnestness of the anti-SUV message. If Huffington really means for us to contemplate the moral implications of our vehicle choices, which she insists she does, then the ads are just as ridiculous and inflammatory as the ones they are ostensibly lampooning. This is not satire; it's hypocrisy.
Huffington wants to have it both ways. "This campaign is not designed to demonize SUV owners," she told the Associated Press. "We want to encourage customers to connect the dots and make socially responsible choices."
When you point out that charging SUV owners with aiding and abetting people who murder innocent men, women, and children does seem to be demonizing them at least a little, Huffington insists the ads should not be taken literally. Then they're just parodies, meant to illustrate the absurdity of the government's anti-drug logic? No, she says, because SUVs really are evil. Got that?
As for encouraging "socially responsible choices," the ads are far more likely to provoke hostility, especially from people who bought SUVs because they valued their safety advantages or needed the cargo and passenger space. When one such driver, a mother who regularly hauls around several kids and their gear, called a radio show to say she found the anti-SUV ads insulting, Huffington blithely informed her that she was a victim of the auto industry's disinformation.
This is the subtext of the anti-SUV campaign: Consumers are too stupid to know their own interests, too stupid even to realize they're in cahoots with terrorists.
Let's try to "connect the dots" Huffington has laid out for us. About 25 percent of U.S. oil imports come from the Persian Gulf, and imports represent a bit more than half of our petroleum consumption. Unless we assume that every dollar Saudi Arabia receives is immediately turned over to terrorists, some fraction of the proceeds from about 14 percent of the oil we use could be said to benefit the jihadists shown in Huffington's ads.
Energy Department figures indicate that "light trucks"—the category that includes SUVs, minivans, and pickups—account for something like 16 percent of U.S. oil consumption. The shares for cars, trucks, and airplanes are roughly 22 percent, 11 percent, and 6 percent, respectively.
So why the focus on SUVs? It's true that, as a class, they're less fuel-efficient than cars, although the overall difference may not be as big as most people imagine. According to the Energy Department, the average mpg for light trucks is about 18, compared to 22 for cars.
But if the point is that people should avoid unnecessary oil consumption because it subsidizes terrorism, Huffington and her group, the Detroit Project, should be casting a much wider net. By their logic, you're supporting murderous fanatics anytime you drive when you could have used public transit or ridden a bike; take a cab when you could have taken the subway; go on a weekend road trip instead of staying home; fly when you could have taken a train; buy a gas-powered mower or leaf blower instead of an electric one; or eat out-of-season produce that has to be flown or trucked in from someplace warmer.
I'm sure Huffington, who turned in her SUV for a snazzy little gas/electric hybrid and never misses a chance to preach the virtues of conservation, will take the next step by eliminating unnecessary trips in taxis, limos, and airplanes. It may hobble her book tour, but perhaps that's just as well. If she sells too many copies, her publisher will have to send out more, and the trucks that carry them won't be burning water.
© Copyright 2003 by Creators Syndicate Inc.
Jacob Sullum's weekly column is distributed by Creators Syndicate. If you'd like to see it in your local newspaper, write or call the editorial page editor.
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It always makes me laugh when I see the adds for 4x4 vehicles driving through pot holes talking about their off road capabilities. I hunt probebly 7-8 months out of the year and I am adding more game to my list to fill in the blanks. I have a truck so I have some place to put my latest kill with out getting blood on the carpet!!!
Any comments from the tree huggers? By the way Bambie's big brother is on my wall just above my wood burning fireplace!!!
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noodle argument is so sad it is funny.
Here is how I see it.
You are to dumb or lazy to find a real reason for your argument so you come up with the noodle thing.
Mostly dumb I say.
Oh you own a gun, your noodle must be small.
Oh you drive a SUV, your noodle must be small.
Oh you like manly things, hmm small noodle?
Oh a muscle car, yeah small noodle.
Oh you make that stupid noodle argument? You must have a small brain.
P.S. if your a guy and you use the noodle argument, I think maybe you should look deeply into yourself, and step out of the closet, you are thinking about DICK way to much. :D
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
noodle argument is so sad it is funny.
Here is how I see it.
You are to dumb or lazy to find a real reason for your argument so you come up with the noodle thing.
Mostly dumb I say.
Oh you own a gun, your noodle must be small.
Oh you drive a SUV, your noodle must be small.
Oh you like manly things, hmm small noodle?
Oh a muscle car, yeah small noodle.
Oh you make that stupid noodle argument? You must have a small brain.
P.S. if your a guy and you use the noodle argument, I think maybe you should look deeply into yourself, and step out of the closet, you are thinking about DICK way to much. :D
RTOFLOL! (Pssst..your "muscle cars" will be next on the "hit list", mark my words)
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too much estrogen... you will never make the liberal/conservationist/feminists happy.... Do something they don't like to do? must have a small noodle... They are absolutely dominated by thoughts on the size of ones noodle..
you will never make em happy... the only thing that makes em happy is ritghtous indignation... if they suceed in banning one thing they move on to the next.. their life is meddling. telling you haow to live and.... creating crisis... they are not above lieing to artificialy creat crisis (the end justifies the means) especially if the facts don't jive with thier gut feelings.
they are despicable, cowardly little weazels.
lazs
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*cough* white trash
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:DCough :D.. Small brain, hiding in closet....:D
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Originally posted by hawk220
Ike, you are so right, we need to get off the addiction of oil dependence and drive cleaner cars. The trick is to get the tiny noodle crowd to wean from their insecurities.
IF YOU BUY SUVs, OR OTHER GUZZ GUZZLER CARS.... YOU're SUPPORTING THE TERRORIST!!!!!!!!!! :rolleyes:
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Thanks Ike
I think you helped my point, don't forget your helmet before you get on the little yellow bus.
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It's your money, spend it how you like
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Some of my former students were Black. Those youngsters grew up hunting and driving old beat-up pickups. Today, some of them have become financially successful and drive new, full-size pickups or SUVs.
The polite term for the portion of male anatomy mentioned above, at least in these parts, is "bidness," as in "...he was watering the lawn with his bidness."
If you mentioned to any of the above mentioned young men that their masculinity was suspect because they drive a SUV or pickup they would probably beat your brains out with their "bidness."
Regards, Shuckins
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Originally posted by H. Godwineson
Some of my former students were Black. Those youngsters grew up hunting and driving old beat-up pickups. Today, some of them have become financially successful and drive new, full-size pickups or SUVs.
The polite term for the portion of male anatomy mentioned above, at least in these parts, is "bidness," as in "...he was watering the lawn with his bidness."
If you mentioned to any of the above mentioned young men that their masculinity was suspect because they drive a SUV or pickup they would probably beat your brains out with their "bidness."
Regards, Shuckins
Hey, mind your own "bidness" man! :)
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drinking out of cans supports kingdom of saud too....& that pilgrimage to mecca is definitly out
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Good thing everyone likes Escalades and Navigators, since we help pay for them.
Forbes Magazine
Top Of The News
A Fatter Deduction For Fatter Cars
Dan Ackman, 01.21.03, 9:17 AM ET
NEW YORK - Tax laws, like many laws, often have unintended consequences. The earlier law allowing "small businesses," who are very often lawyers, doctors and accountants, to deduct the cost of larger sport utility vehicles from their taxes was one such law. Now the Bush Administration has proposed new tax rules--part of the economic stimulus, it says--that allow even larger deductions for the largest SUVs. Can this result also be unintended?
Under the new proposed rules small businesses could immediately deduct the entire price of a large SUV like the Hummer H2, BMW X5, Ford's (nyse: F - news - people ) Lincoln Navigator and the Toyota (nyse: TM - news - people ) Land Cruiser. The reason is that the new law would allow businesses to deduct $75,000, up from $25,000, from an equipment purchase, including the cost of a truck--and the IRS considers SUVs to be trucks, not cars, which have their own rules. The proposed change was first reported by The Detroit News.
A possible tax writeoff for a farmer or dentist.
Like many tax laws, the SUV deduction has a twisted history. For years, businesses were allowed to deduct the cost of company cars. Then, when the public got the sense that business were providing their owners and executives with pricey General Motors (nyse: GM - news - people ) Cadillacs and Ford Jaguars--and that this was somehow unfair--Congress changed the law to limit the deduction on luxury cars. Luxury was defined by price.
But Congress also wanted to give tax breaks to small businesses and farms that needed trucks to haul goods and equipment. The word "truck" was defined as an automobile weighing more than 6,000 pounds.
Along the way, carmakers started selling SUVs, some of which were heavy enough to be trucks for tax purposes. As a result, a business could deduct the cost of an SUV, even if the only thing it was hauling was a dentist's derriere.
The broader tax benefit will supposedly encourage small businesses to buy equipment, thus jumpstarting the U.S. economy. Congress already expanded the tax deduction for business equipment from $17,500 in 1996 to $25,000 in 2003. Bush's new plan takes the deduction limit up to $75,000. Beyond the equipment tax deduction, businesses can depreciate any remaining cost and take further deductions available for automobiles.
The effect is to let some SUV buyers immediately write off the entire cost of a new vehicle.
"This is a plan that says that if you are willing to take risks and invest more, that there's a benefit for doing so," Bush said in unveiling the initiative Jan. 9. "t will have a positive effect throughout our entire economy."
The car market is already humming, of course. Cars are not eligible for the equipment tax deduction. But trucks are--including SUVs.
Car dealers and accountants say the deduction--both existing and proposed--have been fueling SUV sales. But the same accountants caution that many deductions on SUV purchases would not withstand scrutiny. Any business deduction must be what tax laws call "normal, reasonable and customary," says David B. Robinson, a tax accountant in Richmond, Va. He says he gets a lot of calls from people hoping to take advantage of the business tax deduction for SUVs who probably are not eligible.
First of all, the vehicle must be registered to the business and used for business, which does not include commuting to and from work, Robinson says. Second, the vehicle must be necessary to the business' purpose. Finally, the driver might have to pay taxes on the fringe benefits from personal use of the vehicle.
Not many consultants need a $100,000 SUV to get from job to job. But as the IRS audits just a tiny fraction of all returns, so many car buyers take advantage of the tax break and take their chances.
The new rules come at a time when SUVs are under attack as gas guzzlers and road hogs. The top administrator at the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration recently faulted many SUVs as being prone to rolling over in single vehicle accidents. Largely because many Americans have moved from cars to light trucks, including SUVs, the overall fuel economy of the U.S. auto fleet has essentially stopped improving since the mid 1990s.
So if you're driving a Toyota Corolla or a Ford Focus and you find yourself boxed in by a massive Hummer or Dodge Durango by DaimlerChrysler (nyse: DCX - news - people ), consider this: Not only is that driver blocking your view, you may be helping to pay him to do so.
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Hey, people suck.
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You can have my 1998 Toyota 4Runner when you can replace it with a sports car with the same seating capacity. Then again, it'd probably get just as lousy gas mileage. ;)
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Originally posted by Montezuma
Good thing everyone likes Escalades and Navigators, since we help pay for them.
Great news
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here's the souped-up version of Shaq O'neal's Ford Expedition
http://www.autoweek.com/tuners/trucks.mv
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Gotta love the socialist mind set. Tax deductions are considered subsidies. :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by funkedup
Gotta love the socialist mind set. Tax deductions are considered subsidies. :rolleyes:
we can't "afford" the tax cut... how f* screwed up is that
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Exactly. It's "newspeak". Brainwashing plain and simple. Change the definitions of words to make it easier for people to submit to government control of our labor and property.
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Right over their heads, Funked. Unfortunately.
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I've got no problem with SUV's, just the mindset of some of their drivers. Leaving work today, I was trying to make a right on red and this damn behemoth SUV pulls up in the left turn lane where they have to wait for a light and pulled halfway out into the intersection, blocking any attempt by me to see oncoming traffic. I wanted to get out and thump that little guy. Hehe, I want that minute of my life back. :)
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Originally posted by funkedup
Gotta love the socialist mind set. Tax deductions are considered subsidies...
the logic that says a nonveterinary dentist has a business need for an SUV is kinda twisted too
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The guys who write off SUV's used to write of benz's and porches... they will again if they can't get SUV's... you can't hurt em... they're smarter and more ruthless than you. All you can do is lie on your back and kick your little legs out while screaming at the top of your lungs.
that.... and make life less fun for the rest of us.
lazs
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Originally posted by Dune
I own a Yellow XTerra. I take it off-road (by off-road I mean "go someplace that requires 4wd") at least once a month. I probably took it camping/hunting 5 times last year.
Screw you guys and your worthless cars with no 4wd or ground clearance.
Got one also... same color... :D
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Originally posted by lazs2
The guys who write off SUV's used to write of benz's and porches... they will again if they can't get SUV's... you can't hurt em... they're smarter and more ruthless than you. All you can do is lie on your back and kick your little legs out while screaming at the top of your lungs.
that.... and make life less fun for the rest of us...
your understanding of US tax law is quite incomplete, as is your working knowledge of the english language. @least you try to make up for it w/ what passes for wit amongst your circle, but you should really go back & finish school. i'll bet your accountant is robbing you blind.
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If you are going to go after someone for bad English you might want to clean your own posts up first.
Thanks for the laugh though.
How hard is it to type of the words instead of using lame net slang like "@least"
Or "W/" It that slang for With or are you just bad at typing or proof reading?
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83% of SUVs sold in america never leave the pavement.
I don't need to deal with some off-road monster driven by an idiot who doesn't know how to use it.
I'm not saying we ban or restrict SUVs. I'm saying we execute by firing squad those idiots who buy them to bus the kids around, do their shopping, and kill sedan owners. Better yet, bring out guys in their 5/4 ton 1976 canadian mil trucks and have them run those pantywaist H2 drivers over. The gene pool would be better that way.
And ad hominem associative. Just because Hitler was a big proponent of the autobahn doesn't mean we should ban autobahns. Just because morons are opposed to SUVs doesn't mean they're not right (for the wrong reasons, perhaps).
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I own an Isuzu rodeo, not too big, but a 4x4. I live in New England where 1-2 feet of snow can fall during a snowstorm(nor'easter). I feel safe in it. I would like to get a desiel 4x4 and run it on Biodesiel:D
Are they really vandelizing other SUV's?......A quick round of buckshot will cure that.
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SUV's are a way of life here.. either that or the shovel/tow truck
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Originally posted by whgates3
your understanding of US tax law is quite incomplete, as is your working knowledge of the english language. @least you try to make up for it w/ what passes for wit amongst your circle, but you should really go back & finish school. i'll bet your accountant is robbing you blind.
Wow, someone dont like Lazs too much. :D
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Saur
Did you have to use your DUDE speak decoder ring to understand his post?
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Originally posted by Dinger
... I'm saying we execute by firing squad those idiots who buy them to bus the kids around, do their shopping, and kill sedan owners. ...
Love you too Ding :)
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whgates... I will be more than glad for you to correct any misconceptions I may have about tax laws. My accountant seems competent enough but who knows? I don't think I will take your word for it out of hand tho as in the past (on this BB)you seem to have a very poor grasp of what is going on around you.
lazs
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Originally posted by funkedup
Exactly. It's "newspeak". Brainwashing plain and simple. Change the definitions of words to make it easier for people to submit to government control of our labor and property.
You have gone a little bit too far. Subsidies and targeted tax cuts for business are a different means to the same end. Both are financial incentives, at the expense of the government, to encourage certain activity.
Do you think the government should encourage white-collar professionals to drive monster SUVs by its tax policy? I know you are smart enough to get out of the realm of hysterical name calling and debate the actual policy.
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Sorry, it was a drive-by SUV flame. :)
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I have a SUV..not to go off road with, just to fit lot of passengers in. I have 5 kids, so the extra room is nice.
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if you ask me the reason non-SUV drivers hate SUV's is because they can't see past them.
I feel sorry for those lil 'sport' cars ... sorta'