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Post by: Pongo on January 23, 2003, 07:56:37 PM
(http://www.luftwaffe-experten.co.uk/spit/capspit-03.jpg)
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Post by: palef on January 23, 2003, 09:21:13 PM
DB engined Spit

palef
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Post by: whgates3 on January 23, 2003, 10:25:32 PM
w/ a flat tire
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Post by: Puudeli on January 24, 2003, 01:29:22 AM
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Originally posted by palef
DB engined Spit

palef


Spit what is actually me 109? :p
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Post by: Pongo on January 24, 2003, 02:42:06 PM
Yup..
Spit V with a DB605 engine.
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Post by: frank3 on January 24, 2003, 02:55:02 PM
must be a captured spit than due to those swastika's underneath the wings
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Post by: Pongo on January 24, 2003, 03:47:58 PM
It is caputured..but those are not swastikas.
I believe the term is Balken Kruz or something like that.
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Post by: Puudeli on January 24, 2003, 04:00:19 PM
did spits really had cannons in nose? :/

it totally looks like 109 to me D:
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Post by: Furious on January 24, 2003, 04:22:47 PM
the db605 would allow for the nose mounted cannon.
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Post by: Furious on January 24, 2003, 04:27:28 PM
another view
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Post by: frank3 on January 25, 2003, 12:39:09 PM
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Originally posted by Pongo
It is caputured..but those are not swastikas.
I believe the term is Balken Kruz or something like that.


a balken kreuz, that's very much posible, but it's some sort of swastika, the German army changed the swastika for the balkenkreuz after the 1st ww, but it was still used at some planes during WW2
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Post by: Shiva on January 25, 2003, 09:50:49 PM
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Originally posted by frank3
a balken kreuz, that's very much posible, but it's some sort of swastika, the German army changed the swastika for the balkenkreuz after the 1st ww, but it was still used at some planes during WW2


Germany used a Maltese cross (adapted from the coat of arms of the Hohenzollern family) as the national insignia for its aircraft until March 20, 1918, at which time the national insignia became the balkenkreuz, a black Greek (equal-armed) cross with the arms outlined in white; this change was completed by April 14, 1918. The balkenkreuz was the German national insignia; the hakenkreuz, or swastika, was the symbol of the Nazi party.  During the early days of WWII, however, ground vehicles were marked with an all-white balkenkreuz until the Wehrmacht realized that the Polish antitank gunners were using the white crosses as aiming points. The white crosses were overpainted in yellow. By the time of the invasion of France, the national insignia for vehicles had been standardized to the white outlines from the black-and-white balkenkreuz (no black center). Later in the war, the insignia for ground vehicles was changed to the full black-and-white balkenkreuz, and the insignia for aircraft was simplified to just the white outline -- reversing the association that had been in use during the early war.
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Post by: udet on January 26, 2003, 02:47:16 PM
it's probably the best fighter of WW2. The superior engine of the German fighters mated to the perfect airframe of the Spitfire. Reports showed it outperformed both the original Spit and 109.
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Post by: salem on January 26, 2003, 05:40:01 PM
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Originally posted by udet
it's probably the best fighter of WW2. The superior engine of the German fighters mated to the perfect airframe of the Spitfire. Reports showed it outperformed both the original Spit and 109.


Have you got the reports handy? Would be interesting to hear any comments from them.
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Post by: Nashwan on January 26, 2003, 05:57:22 PM
It outperformed a normal Spit V, but they'd removed all guns and ammunition, about 600lbs total.
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Post by: salem on January 26, 2003, 06:07:36 PM
Interesting, thanks. Wonder if it would have out-performed a Spit IX? Probably not I suspect, and the Merlin 6x was probably a fairer comparison against the DB605.
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Post by: Glasses on January 26, 2003, 06:18:41 PM
That's what happens when a 109 mounts a Spit fire you get Messerchspit. :D :D :D
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Post by: udet on January 27, 2003, 04:21:33 PM
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Originally posted by salem
Have you got the reports handy? Would be interesting to hear any comments from them.


I read about the craft on a site about oddities. I don't remember the name of the site, but I think I found it on yahoo. Maybe the author of that site has those reports.
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Post by: Biggles on January 27, 2003, 06:42:08 PM
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Originally posted by Glasses
That's what happens when a 109 mounts a Spit fire you get Messerchspit. :D :D :D


And you turn a perfectly good German pilot into a Messerchspitdweeb
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Post by: Glasses on January 27, 2003, 07:32:46 PM
Yes that too :(  :D