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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: beet1e on January 24, 2003, 08:15:22 AM
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LOL, that's right. I was worried last summer, about 6 months ago, when it reached 67°. Now I'm getting ready to fry eggs on it, if it doesn't fry itself first. As I type this, it's running below threshold at a mere 72°. It topped 80° last night after an AH session. I was doing a GV mission (though not a missun), and there were quite a few other GVs there. There were numerous flaming and smoking targets in my field of view, so quite a bit of rendering going on. To top it all, I shot and killed Ripsnort, and I think this was the reason the processor was running so hot - it was calculating how many GV perks I deserved to get - lol.
I've checked everything. The fans are all working but it just seems to be getting hotter and hotter. I'm secretly hoping it will burn out, so I can get a new Asus A7V8X, Athlon XP2100 and PC3200 DDR400 memory.
The cleaning lady's Athlon XP1800 runs at a cool 47°. I'm thinking next time I might replace my desktop case and get a tower - with multiple fans. I'd be able to stand it on the floor - on the carpet - lol! Nah, I'd get a piece of ¾" chipboard to stand it on.
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and a couple more heat sinks
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guess we won't be hearing from beetle soon
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Beetle
Had an athlonXP1600 ran at 57C
Get a Volcano heatsink and fan, preferably copperbased like the thermaltake 6Cu or Volcano 7. They'll cool your athlon nicely
Running an XP2400 now and runing at 47 C with the thermaltake Volcano 7
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H2o ;)
Dig one of these up from breakers/scrapyard n clean her up
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/anthony.sutton2/DSCF0150.JPG
Buy a cheap pump a cooling block or make ya own add some tubing and voila nice quiet cooling
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get a bigger tower W/more fans....
also check the power supply fan.
mine quit and processor got to 120c :eek:
everything fine now... got a "chieftec" tower 5 case fans
3 fans on 520watt power supply
solid copper heatsink (only $32)
now my XP1900 running @ about 34c steady
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you sure your fans are spinning fast enough???
try turning the computer off for a couple hours...no matter what anyone says this is NOT harmfull to your computer its more harmfull if you leave it on because it will never get a chance to properly cool...they add a couple more fans a heat sink take the casing off sit it by a window and put one of those big desk fans so that it blows straight through the computer...
im joking of course
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Just buy the upgrade.... no point in waiting for it to die as it most surely will...
I runnin an XP1800 @ XP1900 spec at 47 deg under load..
SKurj
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I think I'm going to upgrade, with a new (tower) case. The last one I built had three fans in the case. The Asus A7V8X that I'll get has "Q-Fan" - a method by which the mobo can regulate the speed of the fans according to demand.
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Decided to reinstall the Asus Probe software... During install, noticed the attached CPU threshold temperature recommendation. Max 95° for the CPU. :eek: But note the intended range: 64 to 95. Much hotter than the latest XP1800+ processors.
:confused:
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Beetle,
I believe That top window is the user-defined threshlod for the high temp warning. No need to have a warning ablove 95 cause computer will prolly already be a smokin heap.
DJ229;)
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Hiya's
Bear in mind on "older" asus mobo's they overestimated core temps by approx 10c (a7v and some latter variants to name a few)
This in mind still doesnt explain the high temps
Can you carefully open side/top whatever and carefully feel the actual HSF temp ??
I had 2 asus mobos and did this when i got a 55c reported temp, But on feeling i found the temps werent anywhere near 55c
Then i did some bb searching and found asus's overestimated readings
I know most sensors are a probe inside the ZIF socket but again if mem serves me right asus use a chip that's central to the ZIF socket so there is no actual physical probe/core touching (maybe on your mobo there is a probe, if so bend it upwards a tad so it will deff touch the underside of the cpu
I know cpu's allow hellofa heat before they die but sheesh ya gotta be near that threshold lol
Then again whatever is reading the temps (if touching the HS is coolish this is) maybe Fubar'd
If you want a decent Full Tower and are on a budget here ya go i got 2 links ..........
http://www.maplin.co.uk/products/module.asp?CartID=030125195818715&moduleno=22742&modulecode=
£49.99 and a 300w psu and hellofasize ;)
http://security.cclcomputers.co.uk/acatalog/Online_Catalogue_Standard_Tower_26.html
ATX Case 2004 Full Tower
£24.24 but NO psu
EDIT link for better view on the NO psu case http://www.pcmodshop.com/products/cases/030040020/030040020.htm
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Beetle-
My xp 1600 used to frequently get to 60C using a volcano 6 sink and fan. I upgraded to an antec sink abnd fan and no I stay around 40-42 C under load. However, the temps will get higher over time but a quick vacumm job of all the dust around the case, case fans, and most importantly the CPU sink and fan brought the temps back down again.
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...it was the power supply. Damn thing is not even a year old. :eek: The fan was not turning. I cleaned out as much dust as I could, but it was no good. So went and got a replacement this afternoon. Things are much cooler now - see attached pic.
Thanks to all who helped. :)
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Originally posted by beet1e
...it was the power supply. Damn thing is not even a year old. :eek: The fan was not turning. I cleaned out as much dust as I could, but it was no good. So went and got a replacement this afternoon. Things are much cooler now - see attached pic.
Thanks to all who helped. :)
good to hear ..... but i hope you considered all i said in my post. get a good power supply that has @ least 2-3 fans. also more room in your case will really help airflow.
Ps. what do i get? :D
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Did you build it yourself? What did you use for the thermal compound and heatsink/fan?
I used Arctic Silver and a Coolermaster fan and mine never goes above 42 deg C even in Summer. I have an Antec tower case with 2 case fans, so that does help. :)
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JB73 - your reward will be a trip to Milwaukee zoo, next time I'm in the area. :) I went there once - quite a good zoo I thought.
Dowding, yes I built it myself - the third incarnation within my desktop case, which I bought as part of a complete system from Viglen in 1997. That's part of the problem - the case is an older design, and doesn't have the CPU vents with additional fans that modern cases have. I put an extractor fan into a PCI slot, but that's the best I could do with this case. The heatsink fan is a Taisor, and I mounted this directly on top of the processor. It had that patch of thermal paste on it, and I did not use any other material.
I just built another system with an Athlon XP1800 in a case like this (http://web6.scan.co.uk/Products/Info.asp?WPID=34629) and it was running at a steady 47° - not too bad.
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Those thermal pads already mounted on the hsf are not very good at all. Suggest getting some artic silver compound and using it according to instructions,, works wonders :)
Artic Silver (http://www.arcticsilver.com/)
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That might be your problem, regarding the increasing temperatures. Even with poor venting, I shouldn't think the max temperature should be increasing every time you use the PC. Your standard thermal compound is usually pretty poor stuff. For £30 (I think) you can get the arctic silver compound, and apply that to the CPU die. It has superb heat conductivity - the temperature of my system has been rock solid for 2 years. Don't use the compound that comes with separate coolers either.
Having siad that, the cooler set-up that comes with Intel Pentium IV stuff is supposed to be good.
Check out Overclockers UK (http://www.overclockers.co.uk).
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Overclockers UK built my machine. Coolermaster aluminium case, flashy heatsink/fan on 1800XP, 2 case fans . Runs at 52 Deg C which is ok but not fantastic according to some of your posts.:(
Case temp is 32 or so. That is according to the BIOS which may not be accurate.
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Originally posted by beet1e
JB73 - your reward will be a trip to Milwaukee zoo, next time I'm in the area. :) I went there once - quite a good zoo I thought.
Dowding, yes I built it myself - the third incarnation within my desktop case, which I bought as part of a complete system from Viglen in 1997. That's part of the problem - the case is an older design, and doesn't have the CPU vents with additional fans that modern cases have. I put an extractor fan into a PCI slot, but that's the best I could do with this case. The heatsink fan is a Taisor, and I mounted this directly on top of the processor. It had that patch of thermal paste on it, and I did not use any other material.
I just built another system with an Athlon XP1800 in a case like this (http://web6.scan.co.uk/Products/Info.asp?WPID=34629) and it was running at a steady 47° - not too bad.
yes its not a bad zoo :D
but you should look intoTHIS (http://www.chieftec.com/products/Newg/DG-01WD-U.htm) case for your current PC that was overheating..... get the all aluminum one. or THIS (http://www.chieftec.com/products/winner/wx01wd.htm) one that i use. also all aluminum. i put in the extractor fan + the 2 rear + the front + the 3 on my power supply + the CPU and a side panel fan not shown on this version of the case.
oh well my 2¢
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JB73 - rgr that. I checked UK suppliers, and found this (http://www.sagemaster-shop.co.uk/acatalog/copy_of_DX_01W.html) one. Similar to what you suggested- any good?
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I couldn't believe this. I took on board all suggestions offered in this and other threads, and began to evaluate a few options starting at the easiest, and working up. Clearly, my PSU fan failure needed to be resolved, et voila - a reduction of 8° down to 64°. Still not good enough. And I was not happy with the ventilation of my case. So tonight I tried an experiment. I moved the monitor to one side, then with the PC still running, I removed the top cover while monitoring the various Asus Probe readings.
Within 15 minutes, the CPU temperature had tumbled from 64° to 50°, and continued to fall. Within half an hour, she was flat-lining at 47°! :eek: Well... I knew that removing the cover might make a few degrees difference, perhaps as many as 5, but I never would have known it could make 17° difference. And I never realised how ineffective that PCI slot fan was. I can't locate it close to the CPU because it is screened by the vid card in the AGP slot.
No Arctic Ice, no voltage changes, no additional heatsinks or fans. Just removal of the lid! So now... I must get a new case. I spoke to the supplier of those Chieftec cases that JB73 recommended, and I have one picked out.
Picture of my CPU temp falling after cover removed...
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I fried an Athalon 1 gig not long after I got the new computer.It was pegged at 90+ when I rebooted after it crapped out.This was about 15 mins after it shut off.STILL 90+ I sent it back and they replaced the chip but I got a better heat sink and never had problems with it after.
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Originally posted by beet1e
JB73 - rgr that. I checked UK suppliers, and found this (http://www.sagemaster-shop.co.uk/acatalog/copy_of_DX_01W.html) one. Similar to what you suggested- any good?
yep .. thats pretty much the case i use right now.
its real nice. lots of airflow. also the drives mount super easy. i paid about $95 US .. i dont know the conversion but that looks like i fine price.
hope you enjoy it! :)
dont forget about looking into a copper heatsink.
and the extrusion fan.... the new tower will have more room so put it on the bottom slot. there should be plentty of airflow on top of that.
<> and glad to be of help!
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Bah airflow sucks. It's too noisy..
H2O is a better way to go, phasechange the best :)
Buy a Vapochill.
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My new case has arrived. And I have a question for JB73. I've bought four optional case cooling fans, and they look pretty much reversible - back and front are same. So I wondered. Do you have yours draw air in at the front of the case, and exhaust out the back, or in through the back and exhaust through the front?
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well .... i shouldn't really tell you cause i smoke by my PC (i KNOW its really bad LOL).... but because of this i have all fans blowing out. ait comes in through the spaces that dont have fans.
it works well ... but if you dont have to worry about what gets sucked in..... go in through the 2 front ports and out the back. you will need at least 8 inches of clearance in the back though. then you should be set. the reason to bring in through the front is simple. there will be more fresh air in the room than is stuck behind the tower.
hope you like it :)
aren't those drive bays sweet! ;)
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Originally posted by FOGOLD
Overclockers UK built my machine. Coolermaster aluminium case, flashy heatsink/fan on 1800XP, 2 case fans . Runs at 52 Deg C which is ok but not fantastic according to some of your posts.:(
Case temp is 32 or so. That is according to the BIOS which may not be accurate.
I got the 1800xp with 1 case fan, 1 power supply fan, and 1 tornado i think is what they call it near PCI slots blowing out it's also near video card. and my temps are 36 cpu , 20 case. when browsing the web and after playing IL2 45 cpu 28 case. after and during AH it around 40 cpu and 25 case.
It's overclocked by 10% and the video card is overclocked also 10%.
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I run 2 fans front low, sucking in, 2 fans hi rear blowing out
Skurj
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I currently am running 4 machines. Couple servers and couple gaming workstations. 3 have the exact same case. Highly recomend it. Fill it with fans and forget it. My two servers are on all the time and they are actually in a closet. Never had anything go wrong with them. Lots of room and easy to work with and in.
Check it out.
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My mobo has only two unused power connectors for additional fans. How do I connect the other two fans? Should I just get a Y-splitter designed for that purpose, or is there a better way?
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Don't connect the fans to the mobo. Get 3pin to 4pin adapters to connect the fans direct to psu.
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Originally posted by blackfalcon4
Don't connect the fans to the mobo. Get 3pin to 4pin adapters to connect the fans direct to psu.
Oh... :confused: When I was out, I got two splitters, so now I can run two fans directly off the 12 volt outputs. What's wrong with the mobo supplies? With the later mobos, the voltage is regulated by the mobo to control the fan speed according to demand, and the Asus Probe monitoring software is able to report their speeds. I won't get that if not using the mobo supplies.
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Originally posted by beet1e
Oh... :confused: When I was out, I got two splitters, so now I can run two fans directly off the 12 volt outputs. What's wrong with the mobo supplies? With the later mobos, the voltage is regulated by the mobo to control the fan speed according to demand, and the Asus Probe monitoring software is able to report their speeds. I won't get that if not using the mobo supplies.
you will be using too many resources from the MB. basically pulling alot of power which in turn generates heat.
if the power comes from the power supply directly then the heat gets generated there (where it can be exhuasted properly).
this will be all the advise i can give for the next 3 days.... I'm moving and cable wont be hooked up till tues evening... so no internet till then :(
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JB73 - hope your move went OK.
The job is done. Hardware installed in new case. I couldn't get an extra two splitters for the 12 volt fan power supplies, so I've had to go ahead and plug two fans on the mobo. But it's not looking bad. The CPU is now cooler than ever at 44°, and the mobo is a steady 23°. Given that my room temperature is 22°, it's hard to imagine the mobo running any cooler, so do you still think I should get those splitters and use them for the fans currently plugged into the mobo?
I have to say I'm thrilled with the new case. It's much easier to work with than the old one. I have more room, and the fixed disk racks are secured by levers and can be removed in a trice.