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Title: hitech does Ah model WIG?
Post by: maxtor on January 24, 2003, 08:30:36 AM

I figure likely not, but figured would ask.

http://www.popsci.com/popsci/aviation/article/0,12543,410266,00.html

"But if you get extremely close to the surface—around 50 feet or below, as a WIG vehicle would—a cushion of air generated by the plane's velocity helps support it in flight, so that the plane cruises even more efficiently"

Title: hitech does Ah model WIG?
Post by: ra on January 24, 2003, 08:32:15 AM

If wig is ground-effect, then yes it is modeled.

ra

Title: hitech does Ah model WIG?
Post by: maxtor on January 24, 2003, 08:33:19 AM

or for that matter, do we gain fuel economy with alt?

Title: hitech does Ah model WIG?
Post by: hitech on January 24, 2003, 09:06:15 AM

If wig = Ground Effect, then yes. Yes planes gain mpg effiecentcy with alt.

HiTech

Title: hitech does Ah model WIG?
Post by: maxtor on January 24, 2003, 09:08:15 AM

Well, yet another point of realism in the flight model I didn't know about.  Cool :)

Title: hitech does Ah model WIG?
Post by: gorski3 on January 25, 2003, 05:16:36 AM

How low for wig effect? 5-10 ft?


Gorski

Title: hitech does Ah model WIG?
Post by: SFRT - Frenchy on January 25, 2003, 05:34:26 AM

Didn't ground effect got introduced in version 1.04? I recall a significant change along the road, I couldn't do clean landings anymore, I was always bouncing up at least once.
You really feel ground effect in AH.

Title: hitech does Ah model WIG?
Post by: pugg666 on January 25, 2003, 10:48:11 AM

IIRC ground effect start at about the same alt as the wingspan of the plane your in. could be wrong though.

Title: hitech does Ah model WIG?
Post by: GRUNHERZ on January 25, 2003, 12:15:49 PM

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Originally posted by SFRT - Frenchy
Didn't ground effect got introduced in version 1.04? I recall a significant change along the road, I couldn't do clean landings anymore, I was always bouncing up at least once.
You really feel ground effect in AH.

Maybe that had to do with better e-retention at low speeds and less ability to slow down, I know I badly overshot some landings just after 1.04 FM revesion. I've gotten used to it and I can pretty much do a Feisler Storch landing with a Bf109G6 now but I did notice a difference right at the switch.

Title: hitech does Ah model WIG?
Post by: Kronos on January 25, 2003, 03:00:56 PM

I hope that thing at boeing works... I'd hate to have one crash.  No chance of survival rate there.  :(

Title: hitech does Ah model WIG?
Post by: Chairboy on January 25, 2003, 06:19:48 PM

I'd take my chances on an Ekranoplan/Boeing Pelican versus a normal high altitude jet plane in an emergency any day.

In case of drastic engine failure, you hit the water at 300 mph (just like you would in a commercial liner).  The difference is that you don't have the X-hundred miles per hour downward motion that you would from falling 30,000 feet AND you're in a much stronger craft.

No survival?  Hardly.  It's the normal jets that have no meaningful level of survival, with the occasional exception like that one european stewardess that fell 30,000 feet from an exploded 707 (I think, maybe 727) in the 1970s and lived.

Title: hitech does Ah model WIG?
Post by: Kerago on January 26, 2003, 12:54:10 AM

Jeebus! Did she hit a flock of seagulls on the way down to cushion her fall?

I can just picture a hot stewardess drifting towards the ground covered in blood and feathers, flapping her arms to slow her descent.

Title: hitech does Ah model WIG?
Post by: hazed- on January 26, 2003, 08:02:46 AM

wasnt there a lancaster crewman that fell out at some rediculous altitude without a parachute and landed in a fern tree in the snow covered mountains and survived.I think he held the record for many years before the stewardess beat it.
I think if i remember correctly the stewardess was russian?

It is amazing they survived but I believe both suffered pretty bad injuries though.

Title: hitech does Ah model WIG?
Post by: GRUNHERZ on January 26, 2003, 01:25:23 PM

Russian????  NO way!  She was a stuardess on a JAT flight - Yugoslavia! There are rumors that Croatian terrorists blew up that plane with a bomb in the luggage, this happend in 1972 just around the time of a renewed croatian independence political movement of the early 1970s. If true it is possible we were the first to do this type of attack on a commerical flight..  :D :(

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Post by: udet on January 26, 2003, 07:37:48 PM

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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
If true it is possible we were the first to do this type of attack on a commerical flight..  :D :(

that's something to be proud of :p

Title: hitech does Ah model WIG?
Post by: Karnak on January 26, 2003, 08:17:39 PM

The Lanc tailgunner was uninjured by his fall from 17,000ft.

The stewardess was badly injured though.

Title: hitech does Ah model WIG?
Post by: Glasses on January 26, 2003, 09:26:11 PM

Ground effect manifests itself at about 40% of the wingspan length from the ground.


Yes Mazinger still kicks ass.  :D

Title: hitech does Ah model WIG?
Post by: GRUNHERZ on January 27, 2003, 01:32:34 AM

Proud? no... But I do think it's interesting bit of trivia, so the :D , and sad hence the :(...