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Squadron Forums => Squadrons => Topic started by: keyapaha on January 24, 2003, 01:00:34 PM
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for a few members who enjoy flying Japanese planes and having fun.Right now we are only 4 members strong and looking for atleast 4-6 others.We fly in both the MA and the CT(when a PTO is up) and fly all bombers and fighters of the Japanese plane set.
Does not matter how experienced you are all you need is the following.
have a paying account with HTC
be over 18
have AH voice
being courteous to others on voice and buffer
a team player
and most important having fun
We meet on Tues. and Thru. nights at 9:30 est untill whenever.
There is usually one of us online every night in either the MA or CT,so if you want to fly Japanese and have some fun flying as a team look us up online or reply here and we will touch base with you.
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p-u-n-t
Folks, the 13th Sentai, (formerly the 27th Sentai) knows their stuff when it comes to CT combat flying...!
Gwan give 'em a tryout at the least. :D Who knows, they might turn you into a believer, as they did me...:cool:
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The Japanese have some very nice aircaft such as the Ki.67, N1K2-J and A6M5b already. There are also many nice and usable Japanese aircraft that HTC will be adding in the future. Japanese aircraft tend to be among the most enjoyable from a simple flying and fighting point of view as they manuver easily and are well armed.
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punt
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I like flying the nik, but unless someone comes down and is stupid enough to stall fight you in their late war speedster, you cant really match-up.
How do you deal with this issue flying only the AH available jap planes?
I flew the Ki 84 in AW and loved it. Would fly it here almost exclusively if it was offered.
Anyway, I'm pretty new and still learning, haven't even finished my two week trial, but that's a formality as I will definately sign on when that's over. I'm interested in your squadron in anyway, if you want to give me a tryout, email me at wbrettcain@hotmail.com.
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naj,
it is at times difficult to fight the late war rides(makes the victory that much better) but flying as a group makes it some what easier but lots of practice and learning your planes pros and cons will help you out it takes time so dont sweat it.
Ofcourse the major con is that the Japanese planes are slow but the pro is that they are very manuverable.My XO Karnak is the pro on all these streinghts and weaknesses of the Japanese plane set I know most but not all of these,also he can train you to fly these at your best.
OK sent you an e-mail looking forward to meeting you.
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Please welcome najdorf to the 13th Sentai. Need a few more brave flyiers to fly for the Empire.
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punt
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Still looking for a few who dont mind flying Japanese a few times a week. Try it you might like it.
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punt
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...caught and the play is on!
He runs to to the 10... the 20... Holy cow look at that guy run...!
I'm game for some flights. What time/day?
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Squad nites are on Tuesdays and Thursdays at 9:30 PM EST. But Keyapaha or myself are up in the evenings for a while most nights. We fly for the knights.
BTW, being part of the squad does not mean you can only fly IJ aircraft, but we usually fly them on squad nites and join the IJ side in the CT or special events if that option is open.
I will probably be up some late tonite in either the MA or CT.
CYAS up.
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be glad to have you fly with us Grissom like Najdorf said we up most nights I wont be on till about 2am tomorrow so look for Najdorf tonight I think I gave him invite rights when I set him up in the squad if not dont sweat it I am sure we will see ya sometime in the near future.
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I know that we in VF-17 are looking forward to flying against you guys. We might have a real problem if you all want to fly the Niki though. ;)
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I figured we could run the whole gambit start with a6m2 vs F4F4,a6m5 or KI 61 vs F6F or F4U 1,N1K2-J vs F4U 1D.
Personally I like the zero's better but the N1K2-J is our only competive plane in the MA which we use alot I use it primarally as a ground attack a/c . I think the a6m2 vs F4F4 would be a classic.
Just dont show up in FM2's gawd I hate them planes.
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I'd be for the F4U-1 vs. anything with a red dot on it. But .... that's me. F4U-1 (or 1a) was the bird of the VF-17 Jolly Rogers from commissioning to decommissioning.
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How about your F4U-1's vs. our N1K's?
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Anytime, Any Altitude, Any Plane...You want those sissy boy Ki-84's I say bring 'em on. Anyone who needs a plane to make up for lack of skill needs to bow out. ;)
Seriously I hope this is the beginning of a good series between the 13th Sentai and VF-17. I am looking forward to it and planning on having a blast no matter what happens. I will get in touch with you this tonight or tomorrow Key and we will work out the details then.
We might see some of you in the MA tonight or in the CT if there is a good PAC setup in there.
Good Luck to you guys in the 13th! BANZAI!!!!!!!
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Oooh...a squad duel! Havent taken part in one of those since BANZAI and TEA went at each other way back in FA2. Sounds fun, I'll be there if I can.
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Originally posted by DblTrubl
Oooh...a squad duel! Havent taken part in one of those since BANZAI and TEA went at each other way back in FA2. Sounds fun, I'll be there if I can.
Let me guess DblTrubl you were a BANZAI flyer back then. When I was in LJK back in our FA days we used to have a pretty informal cease-fire with the BANZAI guys along the GE/JP border. For the most part it stayed that way and we would always push through and hold the GB off of the northern JP flank to help you guys reset the US if we could. Hope to see you in the match DblTrubl. !
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Hehe, Grissomsan. Your skipper he no like it the FM. Overmodeled F4U-1? Eh ... must have lost feathers to it once too often. I've heard some say it's not up to what it should be. Some whine one way, some whine another - I just fly it and smile at `em both. And it's what VF-17 flew. That makes it our baby. What was the historical ride of the 13th Sentai?
I'll fly whatever blue plane the rest of my guys are in. You can fall in whatever you like. ;)
Originally posted by Grissom
Well if that is the case, how about you take FM's against A6M5's instead of that over modeled F4U? :D
*Don't mean to step on toes of 13th Sentai, but I just could not resist the jab.) ;) *
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The historical rides of the 13th were the Ki27 Ki45 and Ki84 none of these are in AH yet so we use whats available.
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Are we just a tad bit touchy? :D
Methinks Grissomsan needs an extra layer of skin before he tries "jabs". ;)
1: I can post better drunk than you can on crack apparently.
2: I read the whole thing. Found it much more amusing than this latest attempt.
3: I scored quite well in English, thank you. But I'll still probably use some pidgin here and there just to twist yer nipples some.
A: Then why are you even sticking your nose in any of this? Not that you can't ... but following it up with a big stink about how you're not in the 13th and all is pretty stupid. Kinda like ... "Well I'm gonna jump in here and make monkey noises and all but I'm not really part of the family you stupid person and don't you forget that". :D
B: I agree with him also and have stated so on more than one occasion.
C: Well, when you swung from my johnson crying about how the F4U was overmodeled it sure sounded like one. Waaaa .... overmodeled F4U! ;)
You're welcome and come again, Grissomsan.
p.s. Don't be tho thenthitive. :rolleyes:
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Well then ... let's get on HT's case about this. I see some serious gaps need fillin. :D
Originally posted by keyapaha
The historical rides of the 13th were the Ki27 Ki45 and Ki84 none of these are in AH yet so we use whats available.
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Easy now Arlo. Grissom is a new guy that is probably going to be flying for the 13th and therefore is a touch apprehensive about his potential for getting shot down by our over modeled F4U's. ;)
Anyway guys this is all in fun and lets keep it that way.
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Please Grissom I wish not to turn this into a mud slinging event you not even in our squad as of yet,and these post your making does not bode well for you to get in either.If the USN planes are over modeled what can we do about it?nothing except do the best we can with what we got which is not a lot but the Japanese planeset as full of holes as it is does have capeable a/c if learned and flown smartly.I have been flying almost nothing but japanese a/c since Dec and still I learn somthing new all the time.
cya up
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Whoa. I really did hit a nerve. Sorry, Gris. Thought we were just sparrin' a bit. After all, jabs often get met with jabs. Well, take a few free ones, if ya want. I can take it. :p
Apologies all around. Skipper, I'll just smile back from now on. (And leave the competitive nature of this relationship in the arena). :D
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13th. Ya'll really cleaned our clocks t'night. Good fights all. Had a blast. I'm looking forward to our next encounter.
Again .... :D
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Yup that was fun, my guys liked it looking forward to doing it again sometime in the future. You guys did get the best of us in the N1K2-J.Ya know we forgot about the Ki61 vs F6F match I knew we were forgeting another good match up.Any
you guy put up a good fight.:)
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Originally posted by keyapaha
Yup that was fun, my guys liked it looking forward to doing it again sometime in the future. You guys did get the best of us in the N1K2-J.Ya know we forgot about the Ki61 vs F6F match I knew we were forgeting another good match up.Any you guy put up a good fight.:)
We will get around to that one next time Key. Anyway this was a good measuring stick for how far we have to go as a squadron. Also it shows how much we have to work on.
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Reschke I personally dont see how you guys can fly those USN planes they have so much limited view I hate flyin those planes.
The thing I liked best about these fights is you dont have to worry about 5-6 others diving in when enguaged which happens all the time in other arenas. This way we can c0ncentrate on the task at hand.I really didnt expect to come out of this as good as we did .
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We use "the force". It ain't gotten to the point that it helps my flyin' .. but I knew I had you guys behind me. :D
I don't particularly care for flyin' all the USN planes. I'd much prefer stickin' with the F4U-1. Ya'll didn't have much of a problem with us in them. I think my pilot is undermodeled. ;)
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Aw man I missed it!! :mad: Oh well, maybe next time. ;)
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Dubl, send me your e-mail addy and i can send you a reminder yours is the only one i dont have.
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The views aren't that bad. You just have to be very creative in how you place them with you hat switch. :D
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CHog v. N1K was the fite I really thought we would win and the one we lost. You guys should go back and recreate what you did in that fite, you really handed it to us.
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The only thing we did differently in that fit was come in at coalt with speed and unit cohesion. Still we lost a couple of guys but not before the numbers were taken down to even strength. You guys had us on that 5 Niki's vs. 4 Dash 1c's (as I call 'em). When the fight started we worked right into our pairs fight and got three quick kills then we lost two guys (just happened to be the two section leaders, me and the XO). Then it was just the other two guys playing tag with your last two fighters and landing hits.
The one that still baffles me is the F4U-1 vs A6M5b. We lost two guys to discos right when we turned into you guys for the fight. It hurt us bad because one of the guys was my wingman and he was trailing me and might have been able to clear my tail when I went in to clear Ltblogs who was chasing another fighter on JconradH's tail. As I turned into the tail chase I called out and got a response to my tally call from my wingman then I checked 6 to get his location (less than 5 seconds later after response) and he was gone. Then just a couple of seconds later I got nailed and lost the tail. That fight was over when it went to 5 vs. 3 in those few seconds.
Anyway we want a rematch. :) Not right now though I still have to find the pieces of my pride and glue them back together. :D
Thanks 13th!
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Salute Key dropped in on you guys BB, VF27 Hellcats have been doing a few duels lately, one against the 325th and another against the 880th. Havent seen you guys around lately but would like to set up a duel, your IJN against out F6s and F4Us. Let me know if your interested. You can catch me in the CT on tues and thurs nights, hehe of course you know that already, lookin forward to hearin from ya! From what Ive read you worked over the Jolly Rogers, thats a good squad too, good flyin, would love to give you guys a try, let me know.
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Originally posted by HiJack
From what Ive read you worked over the Jolly Rogers, thats a good squad too, good flyin,
They not only worked us over they beat the crap outta us. I thought we might have had a chance but it looked like we were on the other end of the Marianna's Turkey Shoot.
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Hijack,
We mainly fly in the MA now unless there is a PTO setup in the CT.I am up for a duel that was our first one and was about the most fun I have had in a while,just let me what is a good time and I'll see if I can get my crew together.
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You bet Key, been missin you guys in the CT,just let me know when Tues and Thurs out best times bout 9PM CST if possible. Lookin forward to flyin against you guys!
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I don't know about the rest of the guys, but come Friday, I'll fly the CT almost exclusively while this PAC theme is in place.
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Please welcome Splash1 and 0boe to the 13th Sentai we still need to fill about 2-3 slots.
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Nice pickups there Key. Good Luck to Splash1 and 0boe with the 13th!
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You got a couple good pilots there key, congrats, was hoping to see Oboe come back to the Hellcats would rather have him on our side and Splash too! Lookin forward to seein you two in the ct, hopefully on your 6! Good Luck!
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Key was a good duel, sorry bout the misunderstanding, we usually dont count numbers and fly whatever planes the squad usually flys, in VF27 we have one division that flys the F4U-1 that is why they were in there, we also dont set an alt we try to do it as it would be in any other arena, we just dont fly around gaining alt we fly directly at what is the engagement area. Our first duel we were outnumbered by 6 or 7 if we cant manage enuff guys we fly anyway, think that was with the 325th, when we flew against the 880 squadron think we had 3 more than them.
After we got things organized turned into a real good fight, you guys have some really good sticks over there, and was pretty even. Would like to try this again when we cant set it up better and both side understand what is going on, that way there is no surprise. Notice some got kinda upset, so next time we make sure they know what is going on, as a CO sure you know its hard to handle some of these hotshot AH pilots, hehe, Know how it is in my squad. So let me know and thanks for the fights!
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Quite honestly, if there's no alt or fuel caps set, there's no basis for "honor disputes" later. Most everyone knows that having alt on your foe (even 1-2k) is one of the most valuable assets at the start of an engagement.
The 13th Sentai knew this in our duel and made good use of it. There wasn't a single engagement where we met co-alt (we were able to get to the "alt cap" once and saw dots 2-3k higher than us). That's fine, we saluted and took it on the chin - making note to ourselves that future engagements with alt caps have a "give or take a few k of alt" flexibilty.
If we're talking the plane match-up, then there's little can be done if your opponent decides to fly something else - other than refuse to engage him (if possible). If there's not parity in numbers, it would be expected to try to balance things by either letting the side with lower numbers have better planes or to wait for a bit while the outnumbered side recruits some pinch hitters.
In our duel, there was an uninvited 262 that came in and splashed a few of us. Of course, this was a third party interloper that apparently thought we all upped in F4F-4s and A6M2s looking for his 262 to duel. Still, no calls for a "redo" came of it. Both sides took it as a rather unusual "fortune of war".
So, my suggestions:
- No alt caps
- No fuel caps
- Balance contingencies set
- No "honor disputes" later
One other possible suggestion is to have duels arranged to be fought HTH, thereby eliminating the possibility of "German Jet aces" crashing the party and later claiming they "didn't know".
But I don't speak for the 13th either(nor do I speak for the JRs, in this case) - nor can I say I know all the details of the fight you experienced as a 13th "pinch hitter" against the 27th.
Hijack mentions "things getting organized" and "turning into a real good fight". Maybe that pov isn't universal (well, obviously it isn't).
No matter what the case ... if future duels are to be attempted (hopefully on a regular basis), then there needs to be some discussion and settlement made by the parties involved in prior match-ups. And these discussions should involve positive suggestions without casting aspersions on the character of individuals or units as a whole.
Once things are fine-tuned, then it's up to the C.O.s representing the squadrons to enforce the ground rules (before, during and after the engagements) to minimize the chances of having just this kind of "dispute of honor" taint all future chances of enjoying such squadron vs. squadron events.
Unfortunately, it's hard to enforce anything on some players - be they squadron members or guests. (One more good reason to make the duels HTH.)
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First I suggest you ask your CO about what was said about the duel, Key and i were conversing and i said fly what you want and he asked what we flew and I told him and also told him to fly whatever IJN or IJAA planes they wanted, if there was a misunderstanding so be it, that does not make one inhonorable, so think what you want Grissom thats your right. As for the numbers go we dont ask what they are either in your favour or ours, it makes no difference to us whether we are outnumbered or not, we already had our guys in the air when I was asked how many, I was never asked to cut it to your numbers untill after the first duel, which I did on the second time around, we also went to strictley one plane the second time around as asked althought some of our squad do not fly that plane, I dont know what your problem is Haven but its yours and not ours, I know most of the guys in the 13th and have flown with and against them many times, what surprised me is that they let you in the squad. As for a rematch, Im with you Haven forget it we dont need it! Sorry key but i have very little tolerance for someone who jumps to conclusions, sorry it ended up this way, I thought most enjoyed the duel, guess i misunderstood.
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Dammit .....
This is a good thing gone bad apparently. Doesn't hafta be that way. Either set ground (air) rules or not. My suggestion is to not, for the most part.
At the most, set up the plane match-ups and go ahead and see about some contingencies for numbers balancing (8 VF-17 vs. 5 13th Sentai? - ok, instead of A6M2s for all the 13th pilots, give them A6M5s ... or give two of them N1Ks or ... some such).
Or ... even that can be standardized. VF-27 has certain birds it flies. VF-17's official squadron ride is the F4U-1. Granted, the 13th has less to select from. But there's bound to be a plane they can use that'll give them a good mount for a USN vs IJ fight. I'm even for giving the 13th their individual pilot's preference of mount, given the IJ planeset limitations.
Concerned it would become "grab duel" with squads spending 30 minutes trying to outgrab the other before engaging? Then set up other restrictions that aren't "flight envelope prohibitive". Time limit to engage. Say both units have to be in icon range within X number of minutes or the hop is scrubbed. Add an additional factor or "defense" or "offense" (squad A wins the toss and elects to attack, squad B must defend their base). Etc ....
But alt caps and attack limitations will lead to "honor disputes".
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I agree Arlo, although there really was no disagreement between key and myself, he just ask "why the 3 F4U-1s" and i answered that it was one of the 27th squad planes that we fly the other being the F6. This was in white text so other members of the squads did not get the info, then we start getting some nasty remarks from Haven, and now i know he is not a 13th Sentai, was just filling in, and some remarks be a few of my pilots, which i stopped right then. Them key and I discussed what was going on and things, I thought anyway got straightened out, we flew the F6 only and limited our pilots to their number. I thought it was a good duel and so did most of their pilots too there were
and good remarks made. I did not realize that Haven wasnt one of theirs until I reread the posts and I apologize to the 13th if anything I said was hurtful and would love to duel them again. Like I said before the 13th was started by ex VF27 pilots so the ct would have a full time axis squad, and i know most of their pilots and have flown with and against them many times and have nothing but respect for them and their squad, I know how diffacult it is to be a Japanese squad they dont have much on their side and not many like to fly the planes. So 13th if you are interested in another duel just let me know, it would be an honour to fly against you again, and this time we will make sure we all understand whats going on hehe! LCDR HiJacker
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I'm the newbie on the block as far as squad membership goes, so take my comments for what they're worth ... or ignore them altogether if you like.
If you guys want to continue the dueling thing, I think Arlo's suggestion of HTH is probably the best place to start. If nothing else, it might prevent the intervention of jet jockeys and the porking of fuel (elimination of drop-tank option) by stray F6F's right before the engagement.
Then again, it might not.
I say 'you guys' because the 13th vs. VF27 thing left a bad taste in my mouth as far as 'squad duels' go, and I won't be participating in any more unless the communication kinks can be worked out and 'everyone's on the same page of the playbook.'
And ultimately, this whole debacle was probably just a communication problem, judging from HiJacker's comments. I have no reason to think he's insincere. All I know is Key was very clear with us as far as the rules of engagement as he understood them.
It's just best just to believe something got lost in the CO-to-CO communication, and forget about it.
As for me, I can avoid the frustration by avoiding the situation.
Cya in the CT.
Splash1
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wow, this thread went downhill fast.
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Hi there! Watcha doin?(http://www.computerpannen.com/cwm/otn/funny/1poke.gif)
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Ol this is my last comment on the issue, we have flown 4 squad duels, the one with the 13th Sentai is the only one there was ever any problem with, if the guys in the 13th think that we would intentionaly change planes or fly different planes thats fine, think what you want, as for Haven he can stick his opinions where his brain is, who gives a damn what he thinks! I told key from the beginning what planes he flew and that he could fly any planes he wanted, after the first sortie we flew the same numbers and we all flew the same plane, now i dont understand what the problem is here, if you guys think Im not being truthful, thats fine, no big deal, but i offered a rematch on your terms dont know what else you want, so be it, sorry it had to end like this.
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The 'deal' that was passed on was:
1) SEVEN pilots per side.
you brought at least 10.
2) Ki-61's v F6F first fight. A6M5 v F4U second fight.
You lumped first and second fight into the first one. Was that part of your two divisions versus one flight duel deal?
3) Fight was at 25k w/75% gas.
We were there, not our fault you decided to grab speed 2k lower. At that alt, VF-27 shouldn't have had to cheat to win.
I could go on, but why bother, when all HiJacker's going to do is whine away about his valiant squadron?
My brain works fine on my shoulders HiJacker. Maybe it's you and your mob that should pull your collective heads out of your collective asses.
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Thats your version, and of course its the right one!
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Haven i am curious to know if you reflect the opinon of your squad.
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Man look at Haven, what a first class BBS warrior! You have put the "Valiant" VF 27 in thier place. Way to take them down a few notches. You have exposed them for the self righteous cheaters they are. Thank god somebody has finally exposed them. Kudos sir <
> HiJacker is devious and cunning. Stay vigilent , you will prevail. You are one of the toughest 12 year olds Ive seen. WTG hero!
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Originally posted by Grissom
3) Fight was at 25k w/75% gas.
We were there, not our fault you decided to grab speed 2k lower. At that alt, VF-27 shouldn't have had to cheat to win.
If I'm not mistaken 25k would be the MAX alt as you can't go above that alt? You can go below if you want...At least that is the rules for the simladder duels..I thought it would be about the same. If im wrong excuse my ignorance..
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Originally posted by -Concho-
Haven i am curious to know if you reflect the opinon of your squad.
Concho: It is not my squad. To be quite frank, I doubt I will make it past the two week try out and be voted into the squad. (Yes I'm on trial tour here... are you so surprised?)
But I do pay attention to the squad channel, and I have no problem speaking out when I see something wrong that needs addressing.
I also have no problem admitting when I am wrong. Which, on reflection of my status in the squadron, I should have left it to the CO/XO's to hash out. However, that is not my nature to sit by when I see a wrong be done.
Sorry if my sense of sportsmanship is old fashioned, or outdated than the more up to date "win at all costs" one.
To all involved: I would recommend one thing to do during your "Duel aranging"... Get it on film, please.
That is all I have to say on this subject.
Slash27: TYVM for modifying your post in Bolt45's thread. *S*
Concho & Slash: Good try the other night in your GV's *S*
EOM