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Title: New Squadron
Post by: 2stony on January 24, 2003, 06:41:47 PM
I was thinking about creating a new squadron, but there has to be two requirements.

1)  It has to be named after a real squadron that existed during WWII.

2)  All members of the squadron have to have the name of a real ace.

Oops! This has already been done before(more times than I can count).

     The purpose of this thread is that I have a real problem with virtual pilots using "real" aces names for handles; especially ones that are deceased. I've met a lot of aces over the years and I believe it is disrespectful to use their names.


Stony(I don't think there were any aces with that name)

:(
Title: New Squadron
Post by: Saurdaukar on January 24, 2003, 07:26:35 PM
Oh my... you are gonna get hammered in this thread.  :cool:
Title: New Squadron
Post by: Shane on January 24, 2003, 07:37:31 PM
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
Oh my... you are gonna get hammered in this thread.  :cool:


in!

:D
Title: Re: New Squadron
Post by: eskimo2 on January 24, 2003, 07:41:08 PM
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Originally posted by 2stony

     The purpose of this thread is that I have a real problem with virtual pilots using "real" aces names for handles; especially ones that are deceased. I've met a lot of aces over the years and I believe it is disrespectful to use their names.


Or,
It could be considered a tribute....

eskimo
Title: New Squadron
Post by: Yeager on January 24, 2003, 07:47:52 PM
Whats this about that?
Title: New Squadron
Post by: eskimo2 on January 24, 2003, 08:17:01 PM
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Originally posted by Yeager
Whats this about that?


I don't know, but apparently you are some kind of an embarassment... ?

eskimo
Title: New Squadron
Post by: Shane on January 24, 2003, 08:31:18 PM
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Originally posted by eskimo2
I don't know, but apparently you are some kind of an embarassment... ?

eskimo


yeah! he's no where near the bellybutton that chuck yeager is reputed to be!

:eek:  :D
Title: New Squadron
Post by: DamnedRen on January 24, 2003, 09:33:40 PM
I know this sounds stupid but....

Why have a squadron that was once really a squadron? And why have only real aces names used?

As you said, that is not very original. In fact, before those old hero's went out and made a name for themselves they were just a buncha scared yahoos trying to get by.

So here's a suggestion. Since this is virtual. Why not start a new squadron with a new name, never heard before, and recruit new folks with unknown names and create a whole new virtual aces high squadron that will go down in the anals of virtual history. :D
Title: New Squadron
Post by: Pongo on January 24, 2003, 09:35:12 PM
I aggree with the thread. For every guy like Yeager there seems to be a dozen Vosses.
I once looked out of a tower and saw 2 different Hartmann related handles....
Taking a real persons name as your handle isnt like wearing a Brett Farve jersey. You are acctually asking people to call you by that name. Its kinda weird. Especially when you shame the name you have taken.
Title: New Squadron
Post by: Lizard3 on January 24, 2003, 09:42:53 PM
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Originally posted by DamnedRen
I know this sounds stupid but....

Why have a squadron that was once really a squadron? And why have only real aces names used?

As you said, that is not very original. In fact, before those old hero's went out and made a name for themselves they were just a buncha scared yahoos trying to get by.

So here's a suggestion. Since this is virtual. Why not start a new squadron with a new name, never heard before, and recruit new folks with unknown names and create a whole new virtual aces high squadron that will go down in the anals of virtual history. :D


Eh sonny? Whats that? Eh? Can't hea ya. Well, well. You don't get it eh? Hears whert ya dew. Take at tear sense-o-irony and dat dair sense-o-sarcasm out dair to da tool shed, get dat dair big wheel a spinnin and spinnin and sharpen dem up real nice like. Then sonny, when ya comes on a thread like dis hear yous'll have dem dair tools to deal wid em. Eh? Whads dat der sonny? Didn't kwiet cach dat? Fu...what? ME? Whel I NEVER! Tarnation, dem yunguns is persnicity dees days...

:D
Title: New Squadron
Post by: Yeager on January 24, 2003, 10:27:01 PM
For every guy like Yeager there seems to be a dozen Vosses.
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For the life of me I cant figure out what this means?
Title: New Squadron
Post by: Slash27 on January 24, 2003, 10:30:19 PM
I dont get it either. Who has the list of acceptable handles anyway?:rolleyes:
Title: New Squadron
Post by: DamnedRen on January 24, 2003, 10:31:31 PM
I think he liiikes ya, Yeagar :D
Title: New Squadron
Post by: oboe on January 24, 2003, 10:36:58 PM
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Originally posted by DamnedRen
... and create a whole new virtual aces high squadron that will go down in the anals of virtual history. :D


  :eek:    I'm sure you must mean "annals", and not "anals"?

Title: New Squadron
Post by: Squire on January 24, 2003, 10:39:44 PM
First off you want a squad with everybody in the squad having a handle of a real ace, then in the next sentence you say its disrespectfull for players to use aces handles?

Maybe think that one through again, laddy.



Title: New Squadron
Post by: ALF on January 24, 2003, 11:04:35 PM
I find using real squad names of no consequence either way.  Do you want a bunch of squadrons named:

The Smurph Blueberries AVG or Staffel 69 of the Soaring boxmunches?

If you look hard enough, almost any name you come up with that doesnt have a blatently pop culture/moderism in it has been used by a real squad at some time.


Using real names has the same issue.  I find that I associate the person flying with whatever CPID they choose.  Yeager is just Yeager....he ain't Chuck Yeager, he is just a guy names Yeager.  Its just a way to identify people, not a way to associate them with historic figures.

Am I disparaging the feelings of Furry cat loving aliens everywhere.....am I just a guy named Al Franks.....am I just a guy named Aaron Leon Fountain....hmmmm


Its just a CPID, and just because you dont like taking a name associated with something else, doesnt make it wrong.  There are far more meaningful things to dwell on....even in this game.
Title: New Squadron
Post by: Shane on January 24, 2003, 11:16:43 PM
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Originally posted by Squire
First off you want a squad with everybody in the squad having a handle of a real ace, then in the next sentence you say its disrespectfull for players to use aces handles?

Maybe think that one through again, laddy.


you forgot to plug in your irony meter.
Title: New Squadron
Post by: Voss on January 25, 2003, 04:05:24 AM
This thread was started by one individual in an attempt to piss and moan and rant and rave about yours truly. It appears Stony doesn't get enough attention at home or online, so he has to berate someone that comes here and uses a name Stony doesn't want him to use. Too bad. Life is unfair a lot of times, Stony. Sometimes you don't do anything wrong and a few people of extremely low intelligence run your name through the mud for years to come. Other times you kill, rape, and murder your own people, and the world sings your praises.

Get over it and move on.

Pongo your song is as old as they get. Read the sig.
Title: New Squadron
Post by: Squire on January 25, 2003, 08:33:40 AM
The batteries might have been low on the irony meter. Well, in any case, what handles folks use is their own business, somebody wants "Maverick" or "Richtofen", who cares.  Let them be. Its an air combat sim, what are we supposed to draw inspiration from, famous shoe salesmen? Must be a tough day to find something to gripe about I guess.

No aces, no indiginous northern peoples, no animals, no sitcom extra terrestrials, no fictional movie gunfighters, no spell casters? :) wouldnt be very interesting at all.
Title: New Squadron
Post by: ccvi on January 25, 2003, 09:04:21 AM
What's so difficult in finding a name that is not related to anything?
Title: New Squadron
Post by: X2Lee on January 25, 2003, 09:23:19 AM
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Originally posted by Pongo
I aggree with the thread. For every guy like Yeager there seems to be a dozen Vosses.
I once looked out of a tower and saw 2 different Hartmann related handles....
Taking a real persons name as your handle isnt like wearing a Brett Farve jersey. You are acctually asking people to call you by that name. Its kinda weird. Especially when you shame the name you have taken.


Yes if you use someone elses name you should keep political thoughts and such completly to yourself.
If you by name affiliate yourself with a famous aviator, you
should be above reproach on all counts less you sully the name.

For the record I think its plain wrong.

And un-original  :p
Title: New Squadron
Post by: Grimm on January 25, 2003, 09:45:14 AM
For the Record.....

CB Radio Guys use "Handles"  

Pilots use "Callsigns"



AirWarrior players use "CPIDs"  

AcesHigh players use "GameIDs"


So, If a Bunch of AirWarrior Guys on CB Radios want to use real pilot names or squadrons,  I dont see why anyone here cares ;)
Title: New Squadron
Post by: DamnedRen on January 25, 2003, 09:51:30 AM
Two questions.

What's AirWarrior?

Who has really used a CB since the 70's?:D

Oh yeah. I gather the purpose of a thread on a BB is to throw out an idea for discussion and ideas.
Aren't you glad we read yours too?
Title: New Squadron
Post by: Grimm on January 25, 2003, 09:57:21 AM
As for the use of names in general....

I guess names can be used to honor or disrepect.  It is would be how they are presented that would matter.  

Our Squadron uses a historic name.   Our website recognises and remembers those men that fought so valiantly from Henderson Feild many years ago.   Iv talked with thier Historian and Iv never heard a complaint of our use,  In fact its been praise for keeping he name alive and remembered.   I think that it is approperate usage.  

Present a name with recognition of who you are honoring and use it with respect and all will be fine.
Title: New Squadron
Post by: -Concho- on January 25, 2003, 10:05:59 AM
slash i still have the list of acceptable handles, i'll email it to you....

(btw i'm back from FL   :) )
Title: New Squadron
Post by: Grimm on January 25, 2003, 10:06:03 AM
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Originally posted by DamnedRen
Two questions.

What's AirWarrior?

Who has really used a CB since the 70's?:D

Oh yeah. I gather the purpose of a thread on a BB is to throw out an idea for discussion and ideas.
Aren't you glad we read yours too?


Yep... Thanks Ren :)

I Just have to poke a little fun at everyone now and then.  

The only folks using CBs must be All the old AirWarriors ;)   Since they use CPIDs and HANDLES   muhahahahaaahaaa

AH GameID: GrimmCAF
AH CallSign: Grimm
Title: New Squadron
Post by: Slash27 on January 25, 2003, 10:19:29 AM
Welcome back Conch:D


For the record Grimm. I never played AW and I do not own a CB. I am thinking about changing my "GameID" to Rubber Ducky though.:)
Title: New Squadron
Post by: Grimm on January 25, 2003, 10:26:52 AM
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Originally posted by Slash27
Welcome back Conch:D


For the record Grimm. I never played AW and I do not own a CB. I am thinking about changing my "GameID" to Rubber Ducky though.:)


LOL!!!  Im laughing so hard Iv got tears in my eyes! LOL!!

10 points for Slash!  :)
Title: New Squadron
Post by: Slash27 on January 25, 2003, 10:31:53 AM
hehe:D
Title: New Squadron
Post by: agosling on January 25, 2003, 11:14:32 AM
I don't think Major SnoGoose would mind at all. I think he would be rather honored!
Title: New Squadron
Post by: DamnedRen on January 25, 2003, 11:19:26 AM
Grim,

<>

Back atcha...even if it was a poor attempt to lighten things up on my part.  :D

Lessee, I bet if I look in my attic I may have some old CB laying around.

AWAR Ren :cool:
Title: New Squadron
Post by: Pongo on January 25, 2003, 11:36:52 AM
"Taking a real persons name as your handle isnt like wearing a Brett Farve jersey. You are acctually asking people to call you by that name. Its kinda weird. Especially when you shame the name you have taken.
"
Ill just post it again..It really doenst get any more clear then that.
Voss. Do you really expect us to believe that you dont care what people think about you? Why then go to all the trouble of lying so much to try to effect what we think of you.
Why take another aces name again as GPreddy.
Your very comfortable taking on different alliases and changing your skin and just lying in general.
Wish you would just shame some generic handle and not the name of someone that many of us respect.

Why not fly as Grimma?
Title: New Squadron
Post by: Sixpence on January 25, 2003, 12:00:58 PM
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Originally posted by oboe
:eek:    I'm sure you must mean "annals", and not "anals"?


No, he means anals:D
Title: New Squadron
Post by: Lizard3 on January 25, 2003, 12:24:59 PM
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Originally posted by Grimm


AH GameID: GrimmCAF
AH CallSign: Grimm


Uhhhhh, there's a WHOLE lot more Grimm's in this game than that...come clean buddy:D
Title: New Squadron
Post by: Frogm4n on January 25, 2003, 12:36:40 PM
they steal other peoples name's because they are to scared to make a name for themselves. and they are dweebs
Title: New Squadron
Post by: DamnedRen on January 25, 2003, 01:25:08 PM
I'm a dweeb. My call sign is Renegade but a long time ago in a galaxy far, far, away before vox radio was available no one would type my full call sign. They insisted on typing Ren. As the ages passed the name stuck. Kinda like flies to...uh, that's another story. Anyway, people have tried to usurp my call sign. However, like the sands of time, mud sticking to pigs...opps, off track again. Yer mind wanders after so many years in the virtual skies. My call sign remains...Ren

So yes I'm a dweeb. Yea, those who consider themselves dweebs will be immortalized in the history of virtual reality flight games.  

Into the valley of...never mind that now.

So I say unto you. If you don't check 6 regularly this dweeb will flame yer butt.   :D
Title: New Squadron
Post by: Voss on January 25, 2003, 03:23:12 PM
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Originally posted by Pongo
Ill just post it again..It really doenst get any more clear then that.
Voss. Do you really expect us to believe that you dont care what people think about you? Why then go to all the trouble of lying so much to try to effect what we think of you.
Why take another aces name again as GPreddy.
Your very comfortable taking on different alliases and changing your skin and just lying in general.
Wish you would just shame some generic handle and not the name of someone that many of us respect.

Why not fly as Grimma?


I will continue to use 'Voss' and I don't care what you think about it. When you become the voice of morality and your address becomes "StPeter@ThePearlyGates" I might listen to you, but probably not. Until then stop preaching as if you have some higher moral value. You can't control it, I'm not going to change my handle, and what you respect or disrespect doesn't enter into it.
Title: New Squadron
Post by: Revvin on January 25, 2003, 03:23:28 PM
Squadron names and historical names of pilots is so very often seen as a tribute by those who use them and this certainly is the case for my own squad based on No.9 Sqn RAF as I had input from a friend who had close contact with No.9 veterans. The thing I feel uneasy about is awarding medals and rank to virtual pilots that real pilots fought and died to earn. I don't think any worse of any squad that does this it's just something I won't do with No.9 and something I would reluctantly accept as part of the new mission arena for Aces High.
Title: New Squadron
Post by: Pongo on January 25, 2003, 08:58:17 PM
I dont expect you to change "voss" I just expect you to keep being a pathological lier..
And so shaming the Name of Werner Voss, and now George Preddy.
Keep it up. When you burn that one you can become Moelders..
Title: New Squadron
Post by: Voss on January 25, 2003, 11:16:17 PM
You're not worth it, Pongo.
Title: New Squadron
Post by: paintmaw on January 25, 2003, 11:58:51 PM
LBJ is vosses hero lol  that explains alot
Title: New Squadron
Post by: Raubvogel on January 26, 2003, 12:05:40 AM
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Originally posted by Voss
You're not worth it, Pongo.


Pot: This is kettle, You're black, over.
Title: New Squadron
Post by: airbumba on January 26, 2003, 01:15:47 AM
Ohh well, I'll have to change my name then, it comes from the great Congolese ace who spent his last years in exile bending bananas for Dole, in an effort to pay off the Policarpov he crashed while hopped up on fermented monkey piss.

The poor bastrd.
Title: New Squadron
Post by: 2stony on January 27, 2003, 10:54:55 AM
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Why have a squadron that was once really a squadron? And why have only real aces names used?


Yes, it seems that DamnedRen and Squire have failed to see the irony(more likely, flat out sarcasm).


Yeager, I thought that your handle is your real name, so this thread is not directed towards you.

Voss, I didn't even know that you existed. Don't get all excited then and think that this thread was about you because it wasn't. It was directed at ANYONE that uses a real aces name. By the way, who is Voss anyway? I looked up all aces in the American Fighter Aces album and there's no ace with that last name. Is Voss an ace from another country?

As for my handle, I've had that as a nickname for almost 30 years, so I think it's ok that I use it.

As for squadrons being called the "Strawberries" or the "Gay Boys", it's doesn't bother me a bit.


Stony
1st Nasty
Title: New Squadron
Post by: 2stony on January 27, 2003, 10:58:34 AM
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And un-original


     This is the best answer I've seen yet.

Thank you


Stony
1st Nasty
Title: New Squadron
Post by: Wlfgng on January 27, 2003, 12:22:53 PM
who cares?  it's all make-believe anyway.
Title: New Squadron
Post by: 2stony on January 27, 2003, 12:37:40 PM
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Ohh well, I'll have to change my name then, it comes from the great Congolese ace who spent his last years in exile bending bananas for Dole, in an effort to pay off the Policarpov he crashed while hopped up on fermented monkey piss.


     Another good answer!


Stony
1st Nasty
Title: New Squadron
Post by: X2Lee on January 27, 2003, 03:45:15 PM
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Originally posted by Revvin
Squadron names and historical names of pilots is so very often seen as a tribute by those who use them and this certainly is the case for my own squad based on No.9 Sqn RAF as I had input from a friend who had close contact with No.9 veterans. The thing I feel uneasy about is awarding medals and rank to virtual pilots that real pilots fought and died to earn. I don't think any worse of any squad that does this it's just something I won't do with No.9 and something I would reluctantly accept as part of the new mission arena for Aces High.


I dont think giving virtual metals and rank cheapen the real guys
metals and ranks anymore than playing war and play dying cheapen thier memories.

As long as we know the difference.

We are not the real aces. We aint the real Voss or Major Bong.
Thats how I can strafe churchs and kill players in thier chutes.

Its just a game.
Title: New Squadron
Post by: DamnedRen on January 27, 2003, 03:58:20 PM
LOL, Lee. Yeagar (Chucky) flat out said he shot the hell out of a chute. He said he didn't wanna have to face the bastage again. Kill em and be done with it. Why fight him again?

In our virtually unreal world, shooting chutes is a waste of ammo. Seeing as how I never seem to have enough I find it real hard to waste it on some guy thats alreayd bailed.  :cool:
Title: New Squadron
Post by: devious on January 27, 2003, 04:03:46 PM
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Originally posted by DamnedRen
I'm a dweeb. My call sign is Renegade


Like the TV series Renegade... like the one that was a good cop, a damn good one ? ;)

Not picking on you but I`m Ling MAO :D check http://www.bullypara.de for some great Renegade action
Title: New Squadron
Post by: Wlfgng on January 27, 2003, 04:23:54 PM
lol Oed ;)
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Post by: X2Lee on January 27, 2003, 05:27:18 PM
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Originally posted by DamnedRen
LOL, Lee. Yeagar (Chucky) flat out said he shot the hell out of a chute. He said he didn't wanna have to face the bastage again. Kill em and be done with it. Why fight him again?

In our virtually unreal world, shooting chutes is a waste of ammo. Seeing as how I never seem to have enough I find it real hard to waste it on some guy thats alreayd bailed.  :cool:



In case you didnt read it right I said its the reason why *I*
can strafe chutes.
Title: New Squadron
Post by: Samiam on January 27, 2003, 06:22:04 PM
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Originally posted by Squire
Its an air combat sim, what are we supposed to draw inspiration from, famous shoe salesmen?


Don't any of you yahoos even think about defaming the good name of Al Bundy.