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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: weazel on January 26, 2003, 10:55:37 AM
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Forget "Stupid Pet Tricks", this is what Letterman should run instead.
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He signed a bill providing for federal funds to be distributed to "faith based" organizations.
He expanded the number of federal crimes for which the death penalty can be given to a total of sixty.
He signed a bill outlawing gay marriages and took out ads on Christian radio stations touting his opposistion to any form of legal same sex couplings.
In a short span of time, he's been able to kick ten million people off welfare...that's ten million out of fourteen million recipients.
He promised states "bonus funds" if they can reduce their welfare numbers further, and made it easier to get these funds by not requiring the states to help the ex-welfare recipients find jobs.
He introduced a plan that would bar any assistance to teenage parents if they drop out of school or leave their parents home.
In spite of calls from Republican governers like George Ryan of Illinois to support a moratorium on capital punishment, he rejected all efforts to slow down the number of executions even after it was revealed that there are dozens of people on death row who are innocent.
He has released funds for local communities to hire over a hundred thousand police officers and supports laws that that put people behind bars for life after committing three crimes....even if those crimes were for shoplifting or not paying for a pizza.
There are now more people without health insurance than when he took office.
He has refused to sign the international Land Mine Ban treaty already signed by 137 nations....but not by Iraq, Libya, North Korea, or the United States.
He has accelerated drilling for gas and oil on federal lands at a pace that matches, and in some areas exceeds, the production level during the Reagan regime.
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That pretty much sums up why I voted for him.
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Let the "class wars" begin.
"There ain't gonna be any middle anymore"-porch
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Cat got your tongues? :eek:
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He introduced a plan that would bar any assistance to teenage parents if they drop out of school or leave their parents home
Weaz, does this mean that you would reward teen-age child births? This might not be a good idea for society...
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He has accelerated drilling for gas and oil on federal lands at a pace that matches, and in some areas exceeds, the production level during the Reagan regime. - Weazel
If I'm not mistaken, there is a lot of pressure to become as oil-independant as we can... is this wrong???
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He signed a bill outlawing gay marriages and took out ads on Christian radio stations touting his opposistion to any form of legal same sex couplings. - Weazel
So what? His beliefs are as valid as yours. (But you are not the President :p )
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There are now more people without health insurance than when he took office. - Weazel
Go on... it seems that you didn't finish your thought. Does your statement have some meaning beyond this?
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In a short span of time, he's been able to kick ten million people off welfare...that's ten million out of fourteen million recipients. - Weazel
There is nothing I can add to that! :) That is one reason I voted for him...
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Are you saying do the right thing or just go with the winner?
Even if the winner supports executing people, won't ban land mines, signed gag orders, prevents abortion funding, throws the poor out into the street, doubles the prison population, bombs countries killing innocent civilians (Afghanistan, Iraq), allows a few conglomerates to own most of the media (which were once split up among nearly 1000 companies), and continually calls for increases in the Pentagon budget?
;)
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Teddy Roosevelt broke up the large trusts.. corporations at the time.. Bush embraces them.. Keep in mind corporations are not people.
This is what you voted for Guntr?
Since Bush became president...
*The economy has gone to hell
*Millions of people have lost their jobs
*Millions of families lost half of their life savings
*Millions of about-to-retire seniors have had to keep working
*The stock market has gone down like Paula Jones
*We donated a spy plane from the future to China, and begged their forgiveness
saying we were "sorry," "very sorry," then "very, very sorry," for getting shot down.
Meanwhile, President Bush wondered if those fighting men had Bibles...
*Enron fat cats were driving one of our submarines and murdered nine Japanese kids
*Bush declared a war against "terra," that will last until the Treasury is completely empty
*Bush said we have to invade Iraq and topple Saddam, but can't explain why
*You can't get on an airplane these days without a Federal reach-around
*The US Constitution says whatever Ashcroft and the alcoholic says it says
*There's a secret, shadow government in place that we're not allowed to ask about
*The press has turned into full-time Bush glorificators
*Clinton continues to be blamed for everything from Pearl Harbor to the Pompeii eruption.
*Democratic Senators keep falling out of the sky
*September 11th happened after Dim Son took another month-long vacation
*India and Pakistan almost got into a nuclear exchange
*North Korea is threatening us with nuclear blackmail
* Nukes are now the same as bullets or regular bombs.
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So I see weazel was against our right to attack the Al-Qaeda stronghold of Taliban ruled Afghanistan after 911.... I guess you thought we should have bombed mossad and cia HQ... Wait a second I know somebody else who thought of the same thing.
What adamned USA hating degenerate extremist you are... To think that we were wrong in defending ourselves after 911. What kind of unpatriotic traiterous shameful coward you are.
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Does anyone else REALLY believe that BS you just posted?
Bring it on all you "conservatives", quit hiding.....your feet of clay are showing.
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Weazel,
Whats your point with all this? I cant find anything "wrong" with the "problems" you posted.
10Bears,
Are you stating that Bush is responsible for every problem in the world?
You two need to get a room and take turns playing the conservative.
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Originally posted by weazel
Does anyone else REALLY believe that BS you just posted?
Bring it on all you "conservatives", quit hiding.....your feet of clay are showing.
The really funny thing is that weazle thinks he has conservatives stumped by stating things Bush has done that a lot agree with.
The posts are so hair-brained and without logic it's almost sad.
As for the possible war with Iraq.... maybe if Clinton didn't puss out when the inspectors were thrown out of Iraq, we wouldn't have the issue now. The ONLY reason inspectors are in Iraq now is because Bush got tough with them and the world knows that Bush is not F**king around ( Unlike Clinton, pun intended)
So you think Bush is to blame for trying enforcing the Iraqi cease fire agreements or do you think we should just let Iraq break all those things they agreed to in order to stop the gulf war?
And just to confuse you further with a fact: We are not at war with Iraq as of today and inspectors are there. A+ for Bush's stance .
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
So I see weazel was against our right to attack the Al-Qaeda stronghold of Taliban ruled Afghanistan after 911.... I guess you thought we should have bombed mossad and cia HQ... Wait a second I know somebody else who thought of the same thing.
What adamned USA hating degenerate extremist you are... To think that we were wrong in defending ourselves after 911. What kind of unpatriotic traiterous shameful coward you are.
LOL, it is common knowledge that people who embrace a new religion, join any sort of community or move to a new country are usually far more extremist and uncompromising in their beliefs coming from the entity they became part of then people who belonged to it all along. And all that just to fit in, prove themselves towards their new companions and overcome all natural insecurities regarding getting accepted as one of them.
But after again another theatrical patriotic rant I'm sure Grun doesn't feel a bit like an immigrant anymore, now that he always defends the US so furiously against all (in his distorted view) attacks and disagreements...
Priceless
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"Teddy Roosevelt broke up the large trusts.. corporations at the time.. Bush embraces them.. Keep in mind corporations are not people.
This is what you voted for Guntr?
Since Bush became president...
*The economy has gone to hell
*Millions of people have lost their jobs
*Millions of families lost half of their life savings
*Millions of about-to-retire seniors have had to keep working
*The stock market has gone down like Paula Jones
*We donated a spy plane from the future to China, and begged their forgiveness
saying we were "sorry," "very sorry," then "very, very sorry," for getting shot down.
Meanwhile, President Bush wondered if those fighting men had Bibles...
*Enron fat cats were driving one of our submarines and murdered nine Japanese kids
*Bush declared a war against "terra," that will last until the Treasury is completely empty
*Bush said we have to invade Iraq and topple Saddam, but can't explain why
*You can't get on an airplane these days without a Federal reach-around
*The US Constitution says whatever Ashcroft and the alcoholic says it says
*There's a secret, shadow government in place that we're not allowed to ask about
*The press has turned into full-time Bush glorificators
*Clinton continues to be blamed for everything from Pearl Harbor to the Pompeii eruption.
*Democratic Senators keep falling out of the sky
*September 11th happened after Dim Son took another month-long vacation
*India and Pakistan almost got into a nuclear exchange
*North Korea is threatening us with nuclear blackmail
* Nukes are now the same as bullets or regular bombs. - 10Bears
10Bears - We can talk when you are more serious about this. As it is, your points sound more like schoolyard taunts than anything else.
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I just want a few more "conservatives" to respond before I make my point.
But it seems john9001 and cabby are too scared to respond.
I guess they are fair-weather "conservatives."
Originally posted by Saurdaukar
Weazel,
Whats your point with all this? I cant find anything "wrong" with the "problems" you posted.
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weazel , your only "point' is that you hate bush.
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New York Times Headline: 80 Pt
Huge controversy: Bush Follows Conservative Agenda
And one point, wasn't the 100,000 new police a conerstone of Clintons agenda?
Answer: Yes
It was a concerted effort to ignore you Weasel, and your weak attempt at stirring up controversy where there is none that has resulted in the weak response to this thread so far.
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Holden McGroin wins the weazel challenge.
The point of this thread is:
Are you sure you want to know which president I'm talking about?
REALLY SURE?
O.K........You asked for it with your Pavlovian responses. :D
(http://www.askmen.com/men/january00/pictures/bill_clinton_150o.JPG)
"Yes, you would have to agree, considering all of his above accomplishments, that Bill Clinton was one of the best Republican Presidents we've ever had!"
Every American whether Democrat or Republican...liberal or "conservative" should read Stupid White Men by Michael Moore.
It's both funny and informative, and may just make you question the Pavlovian beliefs instilled in you by the two political machines.
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Michael Moore is a stupid white man
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Since it was a cornerstone of the Clinton legacy to co-opt much of the conservative agenda, I don't see how you made your point. The conservative agenda has been gaining strength since Reagan.
Don't look behind you, your in the dust.
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He admits he is in the book...what's your excuse?
Originally posted by john9001
Michael Moore is a stupid white man
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Originally posted by weazel
He admits he is in the book...what's your excuse?
Hes from Florida.
But you - Fourth Reich? Are you a Nazi?
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Pretty good catch there.
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
Hes from Florida.
I thought he was from Flint Michegan.
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Muauahahahh... cough* HAHAHAHAHAH!!!
The best damn Republican President in the 20th century by looking at his record...
Mulhahahahah!
I bet that kills ya.. It kills ya don't it?
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It's both funny and informative, and may just make you question the Pavlovian beliefs instilled in you by the two political machines. - Weazel
10Bears was fooled :D
Weazel, the least you could have done is to put something in there about a blowjob to make it easier, sheesh
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Originally posted by Gunthr
10Bears was fooled :D
Weazel, the least you could have done is to put something in there about a blowjob to make it easier, sheesh
Lol Gunthr, he has a few things to say about Clintons blow-jobs too. :D
Here's another excerpt from the book on Bush and Gore:
"well, here's your choice: Do you want to get f**ked by someone who tells you they're going to f**k you, or do you want to get f**ked by someone who lies to you and then f**ks you?
I am sorry for the language, but that's probably the nicest way to explain how I and millions of others saw this election. You don't have to agree, you don't have to like it, you just have to read that sentence one more time if you want to even come close to comprehending the level of our anger."
Moore has gotten a lot of bad press and some closed minded folks like john9001 wouldn't get anything out of reading the book, I think you would probably enjoy it based on your sense of humor I've seen here.
He doesn't pull any punchs when it comes to politicians of either party...and I find that refreshing.
:D
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Originally posted by 10Bears
Muauahahahh... cough* HAHAHAHAHAH!!!
The best damn Republican President in the 20th century by looking at his record...
Mulhahahahah!
I bet that kills ya.. It kills ya don't it?
Not sure what are you laughing about. Clinton could've made a lot more damage than he did, but fortunately for us
he is a potato and he'll do anything to advance himself. Just think of all those "friends of his" whose throats he cut.
He screwed you libs without lubrication and you still love him.
Keep laughing ... I'm sure the Chinese bastards are laughing too. The latest nuclear warheads and a guidance systems to launch them... all for a silly brown bag of cash.
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Originally posted by Mini D
That pretty much sums up why I voted for him.
Now that was funny :D rofl
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Originally posted by mietla
Not sure what are you laughing about. Clinton could've made a lot more damage than he did, but fortunately for us
he is a potato and he'll do anything to advance himself. Just think of all those "friends of his" whose throats he cut.
He screwed you libs without lubrication and you still love him.
Keep laughing ... I'm sure the Chinese bastards are laughing too. The latest nuclear warheads and a guidance systems to launch them... all for a silly brown bag of cash.
LOL, and Reagan sold himself to be a spokesman for a Japanese Corporation. Talk about being a potato.
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
And one point, wasn't the 100,000 new police a conerstone of Clintons agenda?
Answer: Yes
I guess listing Bill by name wasn't clear enough?
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Howdy Weazel, I accept your challenge.
1. He signed a bill providing for federal funds to be distributed to "faith based" organizations."
These faith based organizations are providing charity for the poor. They are more efficient at this than any organization of the federal government. (Don't forget to bow whenever I use the term "federal government.") They cannot use this money to publish religious tracts or sermonize. They can only use it to subsidize their soup kitchens and clothing for the poor operations. You got a problem with your tax money being spent efficiently?
2. He expanded the number of federal crimes for which the death penalty can be given to a total of sixty.
I assume you are referring to the tightening of the penalties that can be dished out by the federal courts that are meted out to people involved in activities that support terrorism or threaten the security of the U.S. With 3,000 dead and a continuing threat of outside attack, these actions seem perfectly reasonable to me. Do you have any better suggestions?
3. He signed a bill outlawing gay marriages...
The states handle the licensing of marriages. The federal government has not passed a law about it one way or the other.
...took out ads on Christian radio stations touting his opposition to any form of legal same sex couplings.
So what. Do you have a problem with freedom of the press. Or do you want to shut everybody up that does not agree with you. if you don't like what he says, take our your own ads.
4. ...He's been able to kick ten million people off welfare...
As a true liberal you should be delighted that the welfare rolls are contracting rather than expanding. Could it be that these people are actually finding meaningful employment with the aid of their state governments?! Is it possible that the state governments are better able to handle this type of problem than the federal government ? If a state is actually doing a pretty good job of taking care of its poor, shouldn't the federal government make funds available to assist these state programs. If the federal government does make these funds available, WHY should there be strings attached?
5. He introduced a plan that would bar any assistance to teenage parents if they drop out of school or leave their parents home.
Riigghhtt. I see your point. We shouldn't discourage teenagers from having children out of wedlock and then leaving home during their school years to try to make it on their own. To discourage them from doing so would be to admit that we don't think they are capable of making sound judgements.
Good point.
6. In spite of calls...to support a moratorium on capital punishment, he rejected all efforts to slow down the number of executions even after it was revealed that there are dozens of people on death row who are innocent.
There are thousands of murderers on death row. Not all of them are innocent. Some have committed the most heinous types of murder known to man. They will remain dangerous to their fellow human beings as long as they are alive. I'm all for the use of DNA evidence to validate the use of the death penalty. But that is for the STATES to decide, not the federal government because the states conduct most of the executions. Direct your anger at them.
7. He has released funds for local communities to hire over a hundred thousand police officers and support laws that put people behind bars for life after committing three crimes...even for ...
Would you rather these communities did NOT have these extra police officers? Again, the states make these laws. Direct your anger and vitriol at them.
8. There are now more people without health insurance than when he took office.
I fail to see your point. How is he responsible for this? Most health insurance is purchased by individuals or by their employers. If they lose their jobs, they have to drop their health insurance in some cases. It's no secret that the economy is in a recession. This is one of the consequences of that recession. When the economy eventually recovers, and it WILL recover, this problem will begin to disappear. But I suppose you want the federal government to create another "program" to handle the problem.
9. He has refused to sign the international Land Mine Ban treaty already signed by 137 nations...
This one I have mixed feelings about. They are a horrible weapon. On the other hand, if one of my sons was in a foreign land, fighting a war, and his base was under constant threat of attack, I would want he and his unit to have every possible form of defense.
10. He has accelerated drilling for gas and oil on federal lands...
Oil is the life-blood of our country. Until other methods of energy production prove capable of replacing it, it IS worth fighting for. One out of every three jobs in the U.S. economy are related to the automobile industry, or dependent on it in some fashion. If you think the current recession is bad, let the Middle East conduct an oil embargo. Besides, the mineral rights of federal lands are held in "reserve" for a reason. That reason is, and has always been, future need. Oil companies have far more "environmental friendly" methods of extraction than they had 30 years ago. The arguments against extraction from wilderness areas have therefore been rendered largely moot.
Hope you enjoyed this as much as I did!
Regards, Shuckins
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Oh, I think he's going to enjoy it, alright.... :D
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One thing I've always said about Clinton was that he had the desire to be known as "the best president ever". I believe it drove his every decision. This was a good thing. Its only ironic that those decisions made him look like a republican.
Of course, that list does not have the "Don't ask, Don't tell" policy nor does it reflect his complete non-stance on abortion or virtually any other issue.
With Clinton, it wasn't the things he acted on that made him look silly, it was the things he refused to act on. That list would be much more comprehensive... which means weazel won't post on it.
MiniD
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he screwed with the constitution to gain missused power.
all the other stuff is beside the point for me. he must go.
but one thing that has been bothering me
is waging war without at least a declaration not a international crime? the u.n. isnt with us so it can't be a police action right? will we will be a rouge state? ( with england for a month or the next govt in england lol ).
and weasle while it bothers me to see somone use the same tactics as the other class.
i for one am glad you are here. gonna be a long fight till country is repaired.
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Is that a double?
I mean if your caught, released, then caught again.....
Ouch!
(psssssst Shuckins........... read the thread!!!!!!)
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Right now I would have to give Bush a 9 out of 10.
Damned near excellent. Srry weaz, thats just the way I see it.
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Probably known, but....
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(psst! MT! Read my reply...carefully! There isn't a proper name mentioned anywhere in it!)
It would SEEM that this president is a conservative. If that was the case, he definitely had one of us fooled.
I wished him well but I did not vote for him.
Weazel needs to freshen up his bait.
Regards, Shuckins ;)
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"(psst! MT! Read my reply...carefully! There isn't a proper name mentioned anywhere in it!)"
Whatever. Remove the hook carefully and move along like a good fishy. :)
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Originally posted by H. Godwineson
(psst! MT! Read my reply...carefully! There isn't a proper name mentioned anywhere in it!)
It would SEEM that this president is a conservative. If that was the case, he definitely had one of us fooled.
I wished him well but I did not vote for him.
Weazel needs to freshen up his bait.
Regards, Shuckins ;)
Nice try Shuckins... but this was part of your reply:
I assume you are referring to the tightening of the penalties that can be dished out by the federal courts that are meted out to people involved in activities that support terrorism or threaten the security of the U.S. With 3,000 dead and a continuing threat of outside attack, these actions seem perfectly reasonable to me. Do you have any better suggestions?
So who could you have been talking about?
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To: Weasel
Re: McGroin Ownage
I plead only to a partial defeat, as at first glance, I did believe your list of issues was of mixed authorship. (I did document authorship of one item prior to your “Ta-Da”)
But it turns out that the list is of mixed authorship.
“He signed a bill….”
During the first two years of the Clinton presidency, much political capital was wasted in the thankfully vain attempt to socialize medicine, and then came 1994: the congress came under control of the Republicans, who pushed thier own agenda.
The constitution instills the Congress with much more power than the Executive: The power to tax, borrow, and spend lies entirely with Congress. The power to write, debate, and pass legislation, also belongs to Congress, and the Constitution grants the executive only the power to sign or veto. Even a veto can be overridden and the President can only acquiesce.
The Speaker of the House, following the traditions of Lyndon Johnson, has great power, deciding which bills will or will not come to the floor for a vote. Someone named Newt had that job for a while, and legislation that made it to the floor on his watch was overwhelmingly conservative. (Johnson obviously set the same precedent in the Senate.)
With a congress sending bills to Clinton’s desk, largely written by and at least approved by the conservatives in congress, it only seems realistic to expect the majority of those bills to be leaning to the right of the political spectrum.
I have posted before that holding the President solely responsible for a growing or shrinking economy, or for the legislative agenda is ridiculous, as many need to agree in our government, and even the government as a whole is not all powerful.
Therefore it is also my belief that to say Clinton was a great conservative due to the partial and well edited list of legislation is erroneous.
Humbly submitted:
Holden
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MT,
Cut me some slack. I only read Weazel's original post. Because of lack of time, I did not read any of the replies. Did seem a bit odd, at the time, that he would be mentioning the 100 thousand police officers funded by the Clinton administration. I assumed he was referring to the continued funding of that program. SO, I was in a hurry.
No SHUTTUP and help me find my lower lip!
Regards, Shuckins ;)
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I promise not to pile on...
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Thanks MT. You're a great humanitarian.
The Lord allows this to happen to me every so often to keep me humble.
And BOY, am I ever humble!
Regards, Shuckins.
P.S. Weazel, you're still wrong!
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I also read Michael Moore's book Stupid White Men.
I don't believe everything I read, but of a lot of pundits, he is one of the few to describe the world in need of radical changes that will eat into our comfortable lives.
Living up to his standards is very hard, he even acknowledges that he finds it difficult, although he does have a token white man on reception.
In many ways he is fulfilling the vital role of the socratic gadfly, exposing our (and his) inherent contradictions between what we espouse and how we live.
I've yet to hear a politician do that.
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Is this Bush's fault too? :)
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Originally posted by ccvi
Probably known, but....
ccvi, don't know if those are night vision goggles but if you'd ever used any you'd know that all it takes is a pin hole in the lens cap for them to work very well, even in low light.
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ccvi, the military got Clinton doing the exact same thing, IIRC. :D something of a practical joke they play on the Presidents I think someone said...
The second picture is an obvious fake. Compare the back of Bush's book to the back of the girl's book. The spacing between the image and the edge of the book is nowhere near the same (and they should be the same as they are almost assuredly a classroom set.)
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Originally posted by bounder
... inherent contradictions between what we espouse and how we live....
such as?