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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: -towd_ on July 25, 2000, 09:14:00 AM
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read in another post that the reintroduction of the beta terrain is in the next version? why who wants it?
has there been a out cry for the friggin beta terrain? if so i missed it .
or conversly have you given it some improvement? that would make the tired bellybutton terrain worth it? we want historical terrain and have waited a year already sheesh
and where if we dont like the ju 88 we can go make our own sim ( lots of other people are makin other sims and being rude to the customers is a great way of losin customers)not the boot lickers who will shurly flame me for questioning the godlike wisdom of htc even tho they have no idea what is goin on .you got them for life my condolences. they have killed most verbal interaction on this bbs with their endless haranging of anyone who questions anything about the game.
30 bucks is a amount that must be justified and i have no idea where this sim is goin . other than reading posts where hts claims the buff guns are no different from fighter guns ( yall lost alot of credibility on that one)
in short im payin and have since day one (so no snyde comment about fraud) and am startin to get tired of the similaritys of this sim to the old wb crap ( any voice of desention is runn off fast ) and changes every version that inhibit playability ( i.e. hog c) and the lasers wich took months of ( wineing or is it complaining when we are right? to get toned down to meer silly ness ) killin a panzer with a level ho in a hog is still totaly stupid and possible )
people beg for a 2 sided war and we get 3 sides. great for a sim or is is so one side can keep up the vulch constantly? the side changes but it is always some version of 2 on one ALWAYS
same with d 1.8 kills from buffs, arena is full of offensive b 26s lol. people dont try to intercept much so bases are alway porked almost at will.this is for the sake of playability (ohh i forgot it is a figment of my imagination and everyone elses apperently)
(note to flamers
if you dont like what i say great!! im talkin to htc not the crowd of bellybutton kissers who attack all who complain) or are they one in the same?
towd
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I would love to see a 2-sided war as well. I would like this game MUCH more if the planes were divided between axis & allies.
It would also be great if we were fighting in realistic theatres.
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bota they gona go after you to (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) watch out
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The rudeness of the message wasn't necessary but it makes some valid points.
1) Direction of AH is exactly what?
2) 2-sided war and historical arena is needed
But some points are seriously flawed. The beta terrain is needed and as per other games that supported mods (e.g. countr-strike), people can now make their own maps and submit them. I suspect the beta terrain is the best damn move HTC could make... I for one look forward to making some cool looking maps.
1.8 kills - have no idea what thats about - never seen it. Although range behind a buff is further for hitting a target (because the plane is flying towards you ?)
I used to pay but dont play anymore because I want to wait until more features make it in. REMEMBER the HTC crew is small so they can't directly compete with the big boys - but damn they are doing a good job trying.
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Cause of the canyons?
My guess is primarily a Test Arena for new things (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) ?
Cause the canyon fights were pretty cool?
A place holder on the server for future arenas?
Maybe they have water on it and want to play with a carrier?
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Originally posted by -towd_:
....( lots of other people are makin other sims and being rude to the customers is a great way of losin customers)...towd
So, being rude to the DEVELOPERS would then be the best way to get changes made to the sim programming? AH! I see! Great idea! Somehow, I never thought of that; thanks!
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif)
Hi, my name is Toad and I'm a recovering ass-kisser!
Towd, I don't object to complaints or suggestions. I object to people that needlessly attack or accuse the developers when making suggestions and stating complaints.
I think HTC is trying to do the best they can.
They need to know the complaints and suggestions but there is no reason why those can't be made in a civilized manner. Why should we be at verbal war with the developers of the sim we like to play?
Simply being rational and polite would probably go a long way.
[This message has been edited by Toad (edited 07-25-2000).]
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"Simply being rational and polite would probably go a long way."
I've yet to see that from Towd. It's shame because he might actually have a good point or question one of these days but it's buried beneath so much whine and toejam.
-Westy
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Originally posted by -towd_:
(note to flamers
if you dont like what i say great!! im talkin to htc not the crowd of bellybutton kissers who attack all who complain) or are they one in the same?
towd
Then why didn't you just email HTC directly?
Cobra
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Towd, it's not about agreeing or disagreeing with us. It's about being able voice your opinions with at least a modicum of social skill. What is the point of me trying to discuss something with you when you're essentially calling me a liar? If you were to question whether the system had a bug in it or was not working as advertised, that'd be fine. Instead, you choose to make it a personal attack on my credibility. Those who don't take a confrontational stance against us you label as bellybutton kissers.
You think we don't care about our customers because you choose to push us into confrontation? On the contrary, we care very much about our customers, so much that we won't just put up with anything as long as a person's paying us. We feel that some people should not play this game as they are more of a detriment to other people having fun than they are an asset to us i.e. one customer can drive away many. This community is like a tree, for good growth and health, pruning is necessary. So if you want to be one of the diseased branches, don't expect us to try and woo you for your business. We don't want it.
I see only two possible outcomes. You either learn to voice your opinions and input in a constructive manner or you retire from the game. I prefer the former but can only control the latter.
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Doug "Pyro" Balmos
HiTech Creations
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1. With the upcoming terrain editor you will be able to make any terrain you want, fantasy or historical.
2. You want 2-sided war and complain that our 3 sided war deteriorates into 2 on 1. Doesn't that make it 2-sided exactly as you wish?
Or do you think that making it formally 2-sided will make it more balanced? How about 3 to 1 odds in the WB 2-sided WWII arena.
Currently, there are not enough planes to make a realistic historical 2-sided war anyway and many could not care less how many sides we have in the cuttent "fantasy" setting.
3. So far HTC seems pretty busy to me. When they stop producing updates for a few months, then I would get concerned about their direction. So far they are piling features in like crasy. I think in three versions their featureset will exeed the combined featuresets of all other games currently on the market (WB, AW, FA...). Then a few months more for a planeset to beat all others.
Most other games 6 month after release are just coming out with a first bug fix patch. Have some patience. Go play WB WWII Arena for a while...
miko--
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Originally posted by Pyro:
I see only two possible outcomes. You either learn to voice your opinions and input in a constructive manner or you retire from the game. I prefer the former but can only control the latter.
Well said ,Pyro...
But on the matter, is true that there will be a change to Beta terrain?. I liked it (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) but I like more the current one (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
If so, will be new fields for vehicles? and roads to cross the mountais?...god that would be AWESOME! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) hunting Panzers in the canyons!!! yeah baby yeah! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
In other matters, I'd love to see the possibility to load the right map to watch the films I have from Beta times... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) something can be done to make that possible?
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Yes the beta terrain will be modified for vehicles. There aren't any more details to really talk about concerning the terrain right now as we haven't begun work on it yet.
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same with d 1.8 kills from buffs, arena is full of offensive b 26s lol. people dont try to intercept much so bases are alway porked almost at will.this is for the sake of playability (ohh i forgot it is a figment of my imagination and everyone elses apperently)
Hmmm....
Tour 5 results:
- towd has 274 kills and has been killed 328 times.
- towd has 17 kills and has been killed 13 times against the B-17G.
- towd has 9 kills and has been killed 11 times against the B-26B.
Tour 6 results:
- towd has 303 kills and has been killed 369 times.
- towd has 0 kills and has been killed 1 time in the B-17G.
- towd has 6 kills and has been killed 6 times in the B-26B.
So, for Tour 5+6 combined 32 kills of bombers (B17 and B26) have been 5.28% of your 606 total kills, and 31 deaths against bombers (B17 and B26) of your 697 total deaths have been 4.44%.
I'd say the arena is lacking bomber pilots, if I had do draw any conclusion of this whine.
Az
381st BG (H)
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And I just have to add to the question beta terrain? why
Why not?
It had clear frontlines, the canyons were fun, don't know what's so bad about it.
Az
381st BG (H)
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Towd. No one has ever called me a cheerleader (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif). How ever. Your comments dont make alot of sense to me. You can set up your own H2H arena, to have every last thing you mentioned above. Disable the 1c. disable bombers(i do). Disable one of the sides. Ect.
I for example, put the 20mm right back to the leatality they were. And just diabled the 1c.
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Damn!....now that I think about it, that early beta terrain was quite nice.
hmmm......................... ....
Yeager
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Towd is a putz.........
There are some of us who fly to fight, it really doesnt matter what HTC has planned down the road. I am here now and fully intend to enjoy myself regardless.
Let HTC release what is relevant at there own pace and with there own agenda.I see nothing but good things down the road..
Dog out........
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Originally posted by Pyro:
This community is like a tree, for good growth and health, pruning is necessary. So if you want to be one of the diseased branches, don't expect us to try and woo you for your business. We don't want it.
Note: Towds branch is ready for pruning (Family tree? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif))
(http://Ripsnort60.tripod.com/tr2.GIF)
Does this mean MG would not be welcome if we had a Mac version? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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hi all:
good god, please leave it as three teams, i just got my squad page on the squad links and the story is about three countrys, not two.
waaaaaaaaaa i dont want to rewrite it again, i had to do that when we lost the mountains and now we might have them back. (bangs head on desk top) ouch, that hurts.
wolf37
C.O.
THUNDER BIRDS
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Anyone else wondering if towd,MG,and creamo are all the same person?
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They maybe are brothers, like the "dalton Brothers" in lucky luke comics <G,D,R>
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Originally posted by jihad:
Anyone else wondering if towd,MG,and creamo are all the same person?
nonnononononono ! Towd wrote SENTENCES, Creamo didn't go that far yet (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/tongue.gif)
Saw
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Ouch doug you raised an ugly spector there???
I hope that admonition to Towd was not an ultimatum of "it's our way or the highway" and I am not defending towd's tone only slightly concerned with HTC's seemingly "thin skin".
BigJim
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Weeeellllll.... *almost * sentences (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Any idea what this "sentence" means?
"great for a sim or is is so one side can keep up the vulch constantly?"
Or how about this little nugget:
"you got them for life my condolences."
Generally I look fer capitalization to clue me in on where a sentence starts.... It woulda helped immensely in deciphering this here Towd-speak (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Ostwind ack traps in the canyons...
I only hope that this is not the first thread that some aspiring member of our comunity sees.
Towd, some of your points were good some were exagerated some where a matter of opinion. None justified the tone of your note. I have talked to you enough to know how far a post like that would get with you.
The 1.8 buff thing has to be extrordinarily rare. I have been on both sides of the buff guns as much as most anyone and you are pretty safe at 1.5 from buff guns. At that range anything more than a warning ping is extrodinarily rare. Of course you must admit that it damage is possible though, we both know that a .50 will go that far and punch through thin aluminum at that distance and kill a pilot if it hits him. So really we are arguing probabilities.
I have experianced the "bomber terror" you mentioned quite often in the arena. Lots of people will not engage a buff.
The stuff you said about the 1c was off base. The guy you insulted patiantly acknoledged the problem under months of snivleing from me and others. He eventually found a solution that he and most of us are happy with. The remaining complaints about the Hispano 20mm are from people that havent looked into the capabilities of the cannon as much as they should. It was better then the other cannons.Particularly as regards accuracy and penatration. Its supperiority is not a matter of play ballance or opinion. It is historical fact.
The three sided battle is one of my remaining pet peeves. That feeling is not universal amongst the players though and it definatly generates lots of scraps the way it is, which is its primary purpose after all.
The rest of you should have left Pyro to handle it once he stepped in. He did a much better job then you. I see some IDs there that have vented a bit in the past. Kind of a shame to see you all gathering arround like bullies in the school yard.
Wardog accepted of course. One has to make allowences for long standing and mutual animosity.
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Well Pongo this will be my 67th post to your 1100 some odd, but I will always reserve the right to speak to something that bothers me, no matter how many folks post who seem to think that THEIR opinion is the ONLY one.
BigJim
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[This message has been edited by BigJim (edited 07-25-2000).]
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LOL, TOWD, man you need some Home training (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Hey Pongo-- .50 cal pounch through thin aluminium at 1500 yds? you bet and then some. That round has a 500 grain projectile launched at close to 3000 FPS. It will do better than punch through aluminum at 1500 yards.
ammo
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Originally posted by -towd_:
read in another post that the reintroduction of the beta terrain is in the next version? why who wants it?
has there been a out cry for the friggin beta terrain? if so i missed it .
or conversly have you given it some improvement? that would make the tired bellybutton terrain worth it? we want historical terrain and have waited a year already sheesh
and where if we dont like the ju 88 we can go make our own sim ( lots of other people are makin other sims and being rude to the customers is a great way of losin customers)not the boot lickers who will shurly flame me for questioning the godlike wisdom of htc even tho they have no idea what is goin on .you got them for life my condolences. they have killed most verbal interaction on this bbs with their endless haranging of anyone who questions anything about the game.
30 bucks is a amount that must be justified and i have no idea where this sim is goin . other than reading posts where hts claims the buff guns are no different from fighter guns ( yall lost alot of credibility on that one)
in short im payin and have since day one (so no snyde comment about fraud) and am startin to get tired of the similaritys of this sim to the old wb crap ( any voice of desention is runn off fast ) and changes every version that inhibit playability ( i.e. hog c) and the lasers wich took months of ( wineing or is it complaining when we are right? to get toned down to meer silly ness ) killin a panzer with a level ho in a hog is still totaly stupid and possible )
people beg for a 2 sided war and we get 3 sides. great for a sim or is is so one side can keep up the vulch constantly? the side changes but it is always some version of 2 on one ALWAYS
same with d 1.8 kills from buffs, arena is full of offensive b 26s lol. people dont try to intercept much so bases are alway porked almost at will.this is for the sake of playability (ohh i forgot it is a figment of my imagination and everyone elses apperently)
(note to flamers
if you dont like what i say great!! im talkin to htc not the crowd of bellybutton kissers who attack all who complain) or are they one in the same?
towd
WAAAAAAAAAAA!
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Originally posted by -ammo-:
LOL, TOWD, man you need some Home training (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Hey Pongo-- .50 cal pounch through thin aluminium at 1500 yds? you bet and then some. That round has a 500 grain projectile launched at close to 3000 FPS. It will do better than punch through aluminum at 1500 yards.
ammo
Ya your probably right ammo..
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Originally posted by BigJim:
Well Pongo this will be my 67th post to your 1100 some odd, but I will always reserve the right to speak to something that bothers me, no matter how many folks post who seem to think that THEIR opinion is the ONLY one.
BigJim
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[This message has been edited by BigJim (edited 07-25-2000).]
Sorry I gave you the impression otherwise.
my last comment was not aimed at you BigJim. Sorry again.
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Did everyone else miss what seemed to me to be the key to this whole discussion?
"The Beta terrain will be modified for vehicles"
Modified, hmmm ok that conjures up images of a smaller vehicle only arena? A smaller arena for Special Events? Perhaps even an arena with a few narrow passes (Chokepoints?) for vehicles to negotiate.
Maybe even a testbed for Navy opps.
Gee sure seems to me to be worth sitting back and seeing what they actually DO before getting all riled up.
Rock on HTC!
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Originally posted by Nash:
Weeeellllll.... *almost * sentences (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Any idea what this "sentence" means?
"great for a sim or is is so one side can keep up the vulch constantly?"
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Nash, it depends on what your definition of the word is, is.
Cobra
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Ghosth. It might be for stability. That beta arena was rock steady.
Less eyecandy might run on slower machines also.
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LMAO Cobra!
Thx man,always up for a good laugh! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
By-Tor
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Lol Cobra! "...what your definition of is, is"... Was that Watergate related? Some movie? Where have I heard that before?
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ok here is what i say
toad
"Simply being rational and polite would probably go a long way."
my post was not rational? just a insult qustioning my sanity thanks.
westy
"It's shame because he might actually have a good point or question one of these days but it's buried beneath so much whine and toejam."
im a wining toejam now thanks!!
cobra
Then why didn't you just email HTC directly?
excellent point i wanted to have what is called a " open letter " to vent what i see as factual info and to bring our the caracter assasinating jerks that i thoughlessly called asskissers.
pyro i did not call you a liar but since you chose the word. about my meaning was you stated the buffs and the fighters had the exact same guns this is not true and you have acces to that information thus i said you lost credibility i.e. you made a false statment ( often refered to as a lie ) but i gave you the beifit of the dought wich is it are they the same or did you lie? so you throw out thinly vailed threats ( not the first time try the ju 88 thread) you want to deny me service that is your right but answer my queston mistake or lie?
miko thanks for a statment without name callin you are of coarce entitled to you oppinion. and yes they to work hard i was upset because of a percieved lack or direction and agressive often rude atitude that seems to be taken aginst anyone disents.to the point of miss truths ( refering to the guns on buffs being the sameas fighters)
ram a post with 6 smilys and a bunch of obsequious blather but it is his opinion and he is entitled to it.
pyro
the fields will be vehical enabled cool thanks for the info .
azreal
after a listing of my stats for unknown reasons he atempted to turn my refusal to fly ( in my opinion ) uber buffs and also to attack um into a simple explanation and was wrong. threw in a insult for good measure.
"I'd say the arena is lacking bomber pilots, if I had do draw any conclusion of this whine."
easymo
your comment dont make alot of sense to me either head to head with 8 people and i can set up my own little world ok cool why pay 30 bucks can do that for free at least you didnt insult me directly. unless your meaning was piss off wich it probably was
yeager liked the beta terain good for him
wardog
toad is a putz
insult in yiddish no less amazed you even know the word but as you know i dont like you either towd out
ripsnort
"Note: Towds branch is ready for pruning (Family tree? )"
so he wants to kill me? or just have me kicked out of the game for disagreein?
wolf
says his opinion no insult no threat thanks
jahad my name is sean brookins , i am not anyone else ask htc as im shur they would love to out me but i am just what i say and have never posted on this board under any other id so i dont even get to keep my identity thanks.
ram
may you somday meet someone like the dalton brothers.and spend some time with them
saintaw thanks for the benifit of the dought i think.
big jim i under stand and how else can you read what he said to mean? behave and take the bass our of you voice or we will "trim you" they will deny me service if i dont behave aperently like they want.
nash sorry about "towd speak " i am a dislexic and my grammer will always be poor i have spent years on it and am sorry for any inconvenience or crossed eyes.
pongo
"The remaining complaints about the Hispano 20mm are from people that havent looked into the capabilities of the cannon as much as they should. "
my statemnt that it is possible to kill a panzer in a head on manuver and that that is not any any way possible i stand buy. a 20 mill will bounce off a main battle tanks front armor like a rubber ball. always has always will . but not in htcs hog so it is still not correctly modeled. but must admit i was angry it took half a year for them to dicover and correct this problem ( but it is still not corrected is it?)
ammo
what the hell is home training are you saying that not behaving like a kiss bellybutton is implyin that i am a sociopath get a life.
dingy
you are the perfect player just a insult and the same one over and over nice
ammo my problem wasent that a 50 cal will kill at 1,8 it was that a fighters wont and a buffs will and that this was denighed by htc this is when is the last time you had even a d 1,4 kill in a fighter? you missed the piont but thanks for playing
pongo then agrees with ammo sigh
all in all mostly charachter assasination and threats this is you replie to my post i am irrationl rude whining( called that 3 times) toejam who pyro will trimm ( threat of some sort wich ripsnot then found a grafic for looks lika hangin tree to me ) putz, then insisted i ws hiding my identity , attacked my grammer ( it is bad i admit )then a sociopath ( pongo then agreed with him) and then jumped on big will aperently didnt sound negative enough for him even th o he dint agree with me as he said up front.
there is not replie really you dont want questions or desent you want a mob mentality where every person who does not say what you like is run off from the nest . well piss on you. i will not runn off i stand behind every word i said the above posts prove their correctness. flame some more and welcom new players to htcs dark side
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bytor and nash i hope somone laughs at your weeknesses somday you have struck pay dirt it hurts congrats.
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DoH! Sorry man.. I feel like an arse.
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appology accepted and no hard feelings
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er...for what it's worth, your grammer and the intent of yer posts is completely understandable. Was nit pickin' is all. You make yourself understood just fine. Ugh... I'm sorry again, man.
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Originally posted by Pongo:
[But we both know that a .50 will go that far and punch through thin aluminum
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...an interesting sight on .50 ammo types, ballistics and penetration capabilities. It shows that a WW2 era .50 AP round will pierce 19mm of steel plate at 1500 yard.
http://www.biggerhammer.net/barrett/fas/ (http://www.biggerhammer.net/barrett/fas/)
...and towd, I'll say again what I said as I foolishly tried to have a reasonable discussion with you in the MA tonite...
I have no problem with folks complaining or suggesting. I have a problem with the adversarial manner. There are no enemies here; all of us share basically the same interest in the game.
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you ar right about that toad. but it isent that simple.
you are correct i behaved like a bellybutton in the ma but i truly dint think you ment it at all .
my adversarial maner is due to the fact that i keep reading threads where mistruth is perpitrated( read below) charachter assasination is the rule not the exception . and if its a figtht they want well they found it. if i am to be trimmed.so be it but i am not the monster that was painted
p.s.s it was 500 meters not 1500 get the facts strait befor you start spoutin , that sort of behavier is why i didnt think you ment to have a civil conversation . and you probably didnt really now did you.
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I have to agree somewhat with Towd here, After so many years HTC been in this buiseness you could expect that they would have an bit more 'thicker skin' after all people have whined on the BB-board/Usenet for almost 10 years now...
Well i do understand that its an hard time with all that happened this recent month (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
Regards.
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Towd is an ass, and I dig that. I enjoy late night flights with him. He sucks, and can deal it out and take it back just fine. The MA message buffer gets really interesting.
If I wanted a N-M-E that blew me kisses and the gay <S!> for everything, I'd join a Knit squad who's C/O had a "Life long dream to be a self-appointed C/O of his own virtual, fake military squad."
Sheesh, the "Garden Weasels" need to be formed.
Anyway, Towd's obvious savy player frustration of wanting something more in AH came out. Not perfect,actually rude, but so fukin what. BIG DEAL. - He obviously is rabid about the game. I relate.
His AH emotional post was better than the kiss-ass mob that piled on.
Towd is no more wrong than other emotional post of "the FM sucks!" the "190 wings tear off and it's the codes fault!", "Im bored,and I saw a B26 fly without a wing, so there ARE cheaters."
Ban Towd, but ban me at the same time, and all my friends Im turning on to this great game.
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Originally posted by -towd_:
you are correct i behaved like a bellybutton in the ma but i truly dint think you ment it at all...and you probably didnt really now did you.
You are right towd. You did.
But as I said, the fault is not yours, it's mine. By now I should know better than to try to carry on a reasonable discussion with you.
I apologize. It won't happen again.
As for the Meters/Yards...you are right. My mistake and I apologize for that too. I was thinking "feet" (meter x 3) but typed yards. However, anyone that went to that link saw it immediately right? No intent to deceive. There other links on that page go to official US ARMY manuals IIRC. So, I may have made a mistake but the correct data is there.
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"As for the Meters/Yards...you are right. My mistake and I apologize for that too. I was thinking "feet" (meter x 3) but typed yards. However, anyone that went to that link saw it immediately right? No intent to deceive." toad
i reject every thing but the part about being wrong. i believe you intention was to cut my credibility but in you rabidness you botched it and so threw in more inacuracys and another insult. i behaved like a bellybutton becase i knew you were gonna and you did anyway and you call me adversarial. i am adversarial cause being polite just gets you run over and run off
first of all all previous dicussion on distance was in the yards that are used to measure distance in gun solutions in ah. here it is
"LOL, TOWD, man you need some Home training
Hey Pongo-- .50 cal pounch through thin aluminium at 1500 yds? you bet and then some. That round has a 500 grain projectile launched at close to 3000 FPS. It will do better than punch through aluminum at 1500 yards."
ammo
you then made the statement that a 50 cal would penitrat 19 mm of armor at 1500 yards i pointed out this was a falsehood . you then said that you ment 1500 ft and (meters x3) another falshood ( 125 feet aint nit pickin)mayby you ment 1500 ft but you were still way off still in any case
500 m is more like 1625 ft all this seems to prove that accuracy wasent you goal but in fact more to undermine my credibility as i pointed out was my suspicion in the first place.
now that i have shown ( i think ) you true aim under the misdirection
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what a waste to read this thread ...
I post on topic . and then it's mental beacon bashing .. going round and round in circles...
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I don't say that your opinions are invalid. I will say that I have never spoken a word to you where you didn't immediately insult me. That is your perogative. The strong reaction you get here isn't because you questioned HTC, it's because (most likely) you have treated all the people here in the same manner. You are not a victim.
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why do you say its a waste?
and what is metal bacon bashing?
and seeing as that was you first post on this thread how did you post on topic cause this one was just another criticism ?
the topic has changed its discredit or "trimm " towd . and towd aint haven any of it . sorry if my admitedly angry first post was not to you likeing . but i reserve the right to defend my self from attack in a honest manner. and really have felt much better airing out my frustrations and takin on all comers reather than sitting around reading posts where people are run off cowed by the bunch that posted above . there is always somone willing to fight for what they think is right. if that bothers you. toejam can i do ? dont read it
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why do you say its a waste?
and what is metal bacon bashing?
and seeing as that was you first post on this thread how did you post on topic cause this one was just another criticism ?
the topic has changed its discredit or "trimm " towd . and towd aint haven any of it . sorry if my admitedly angry first post was not to you likeing . but i reserve the right to defend my self from attack in a honest manner. and really have felt much better airing out my frustrations and takin on all comers reather than sitting around reading posts where people are run off cowed by the bunch that posted above . there is always somone willing to fight for what they think is right. if that bothers you. toejam can i do ? dont read it.
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Towd, leaving out any discussion of your dislexia, let me focus on the content of your post, rather the technical aspects of it's construction.
I actually thought you made some valid points in your post, as some of us are also wondering what the direction of AH is going. But your whole attitude is so confrontational and emotional, that you make it hard for anyone to take you seriously.
BigJim, I don't see it as Pyro having thin skin. Rather, all he's saying is that if you need to complain, please do it in a mature, adult fashion.
A jerk is still a jerk, even if he's a paying customer. Paying 30 bucks a month doesn't give you the right to make life miserable for everyone else playing the same game you do.
If I owned a business, I would definately sacrifice a continually unreasonable customer for the sake of the rest of my clientele.
Cobra, I like your style, bro. You and I are on the same wavelength. <S!> Oh whoops, does that make me Cobra's gay lover now, Creamo? LOL!
Have fun all. Don't sweat the petty stuff, and don't pet the sweaty stuff. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/tongue.gif)
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well kieren do you remember you first day on aces high? who helped you and flew with you ?helped you get rw set up?
none other than towd so i guess that day was considered a insult .
you are a very politicaly correct person and i have never seen you insult anyone. till now so in spirit what are you doing? chosing what you want and damb the facts. another one just like the other one. sigh
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i have explain my confrontational atitude ad nausium i didnt start the fight i got tired of the bullys. no matter how i put it the result would have been the same. the minute i made valid points and questioned anything about htc . they were gonna attack my personality,sanity,identity,ect,ect,ect . the board has run off all the "nice"posters here is whats left you dont like it read your on post. really a bunch of insults and little substance just like most the others you want a fight and posture as tho you are a genteel person and then spout insults . that is the level im playing to.
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you are a very politicaly correct person and i have never seen you insult anyone.
Towd, Kieren's personality has nothing to do with being "politically correct"(God, how I hate that term!). Kieren was obviously raised to be a decent, considerate human being. It has nothing to do with some stupid "PC" label that people like you slap on others who have manners! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/mad.gif)
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Hmmm. I may be wrong then, Towd. And please, don't take my comment for anything other than it was intended- the fact is, you revel in being abrasive. That I am sure is your "persona" for online, and hopefully isn't the real you. Still, you shouldn't be surprised if that persona culls a reaction when you post on the BBS in that persona's typical fashion. As you can see, the purpose of your post will quickly be lost- unless the purpose of your post was to get this reaction?
I don't try to insult people personally. What I said to you is not to be taken as an insult, rather an explanation for the reaction you received (and even expected).
BTW, I'll take you at your word that you helped me with my first day. Thank you for the introduction. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) And I therefore apologize for saying you have insulted me every time we have spoken.
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As I said, it has nothing to do with whether you agree or disagree with us. If we thought our game was perfect, we'd quit working on it. If we didn't want to hear what people had to say, we wouldn't have this board or be on it. That's not what this is about. It's not about whining, nitpicking, or just not being nice. But the line is crossed when a player is just attacking our integrity. It affects us, the game, other players, potential players, and the communication between all parties. We won't be driven off our own game or message board by that. To date, we've maintained a very liberal and open board. How we run things now is no different then when we started. The difference is that there has been a gradual creep from some people towards our limits.
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Doug "Pyro" Balmos
HiTech Creations
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One final thing, the problem I have with Towd did not originate in this thread. I think it's time for everyone to just take a step back and try and let this have a positive outcome.
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Doug "Pyro" Balmos
HiTech Creations