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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Rude on January 27, 2003, 10:45:48 AM
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Just wanted to share some personal observations due to my recent occupational change as a virtual fighter dude.
As many of you may or may not know, I had always favored the Boom and Zoom, E fighting school of air to air engagement. Recently, I had decided to explore the more direct 1v1, 2v1, in your face style of fighting. I have encouraged my squad to follow my lead and we have enjoyed learning the techniques and methods necessary for success...we still have a long way to go and much to learn.
What I want to share specifically was I've noticed that the majority of the furballs are so populated that to engage 1v1 or 2v1 is nearly impossible....as many as 6-8 planes will join my fun while I'm engaged in a 1v1 or 2v1 and end that fun promptly.
The fun for me personally in this game is gettin kills....my theory was that if I improve myself in the turn and burn genre, it would make me that much more of a challenging opponent to those I fight....I still feel that way and intend on stickin with what I've started. I just know that in a Mustang, if so inclined, I can enjoy 6-10 kill sorties on a regular basis....flying the new method of engagment might yield 2-4 kills and I end up gettin jumped...when I do find the smaller fuballs more evenly matched in numbers, I can survive these engagements and that adds to the fun.
What would some of you turnfighters suggest I do when trying to find a good fight in the MA....or should I just bag the MA entirely and spend the majority of my time 1v1 or 2v1 in the DA? Ya see, my problem comes with fighting stupid....I can possess the greatest 1v1 skills in the game, it's just that in these big furballs, I'm going to get smacked by some guy whose handle I don't even recognize....if I'm going to approach these engagements with alt and advantage, I might as well be flying the Mustang and that is contrary to my new goals.
Hope this makes some sense to some of you....this being Monday, my mind is on other obligations and I may have not communicated as clearly as I would have on a Friday:)
Thanks!
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Good Observations Rude.
i Went from BnZ to, Turn and Burn, then back to BnZ.
Why?
For the very reasons you stated. :)
Its kinda a bummer to drag a single NME away from the Crowd......git in a nice long Stall fight and just when the adreinlin is pumped as you finally earned the NME 6-O-Clock, and ready to squeez off a few rounds. SOME Clown HORNS IN and Smokes the bogy Right in your Canopy! Without even noticing or asking if you are wining or losin . LOL,
Thanks but No Thanks. Its Back to E-Fightin for me.
At least my Blood pressure is a a managble level. :D
Mugzeee PS.....we might have to bag the MA to git the desired situation you desire.
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Originally posted by Rude
What would some of you turnfighters suggest I do when trying to find a good fight in the MA....or should I just bag the MA entirely and spend the majority of my time 1v1 or 2v1 in the DA? Ya see, my problem comes with fighting stupid....I can possess the greatest 1v1 skills in the game, it's just that in these big furballs, I'm going to get smacked by some guy whose handle I don't even recognize....if I'm going to approach these engagements with alt and advantage, I might as well be flying the Mustang and that is contrary to my new goals.
Though I know I'm preaching to the choir with you, I find I get the most enjoyment out of a massive furball like that when I go in with a like-minded wingman. Someone who watches your back well substantially reduces the SA workload in such a target rich environment, and it's possible to fight off the hordes for awhile while mixing it up and working together. Nothing satisfies me more than deck fighting with Nath on my wing and both of us bagging eight or more kills on guys BnZing us ad nauseum.
Also, the skills that make one successful 1v1 aren't necessarily those that make one a successful furball fighter, so you'll have to ask yourself which area you'd like to work on. If 1v1, then the DA is the place to go. Furballs are a different beast than dueling, however, and they require keeping a constant eye on all enemies and predicting their intentions and flight paths. I find in a furball that I'm looking backwards as much as I am forwards even when I'm lining up a shot. Furballing is about acquiring a target, dodging, picking up a new target, dodging, reacquiring, etc. Sometimes I make a game out of it when I'm bored by not checking six until I kill the guy I'm on at the moment. Talk about teaching one to kill quickly... if you don't kill the guy in a hurry, you can practically feel the seven other guys breathing down your neck without even looking.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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I agree with Todd as well I have done the B&Z thing and do well, but there is nothing like a good 10 on 10 or even 5 on 10 furball. Looking behind and up more that forward and still getting the kill is a great feeling. Also your plane choice is very very important IMO. Spit V & IX, FM-2, F6F, c205, hurri etc. all great furballers. You can be succesful and land all these planes, even though there top speed are all that great.
When exiting a furball find the direction with the least amount of cons and kill your way out very exciting. Especially if you are outnumbered makes it that much better.
Just looked up scores for todd and myself,
Todd Spit V, Myself FM-2...I have not fought Leviathn in a furball yet, but damn looks like it would be a fun fight, although gunnery is double mine (ouch)
Leviathn why do you choose attack over fighter? just curious
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Originally posted by narsus
Leviathn why do you choose attack over fighter? just curious
Laziness. :) I just tend to hit the runway without paying attention to what my settings are in the hangar. Most of my fighter sorties are probably in planes that just happened to be set to fighter at the time. I guess the Spit V is set to attack for some reason.
I don't honestly do any ground attack beyond strafing the occasional ack or ground vehicle.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Ying-Yang..
so is almost all of life....
Love BiGB
xoxo
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if you want to measure you progress in 1 v 1, join the ladder: http://simladder.com/h2h.php
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1 of my last sorties of the weekend was in yak9T
2on1......190...spit9...again st me yak
made 190 crash...killed spit.....was fun:D
then of course the "your a dweeb flyin a dweeb plane comment" followed:rolleyes:
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Rude, just point your nose in the direction of a firball and dive in. The more you do it, the better you get a surviving...even though the unknown is always there and ready to take you out at any moment. After a few weeks of furballing in planes designed for the task, mount back up in a Pony and apply what you've learned. It's a blast, and when you manage to pull off a good kill in a turnfight with a turnfighter it's even better. :)
SOB
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it's a lot harder now with the MA so crowded. I'd generally suggest the CT if you don't mind the historical "matchups."
but... if that's not your bag, what I do in MA (i don't like big base ops/furballs) is stay on the fringes, hang about a 1/2 sector around an enemy base but out of the main flight path to the furball. generally 1 or 2 will wander over to check you out and you can have some fun, or you might be able to bait a few to follow you to that quiet area. you also might end up getting gangbanged if you take too long to have fun as other enemy wander over as well.
or look for a quiet base, take an egg... knock out town acks... someone will generally up, maybe 2 maybe more - it's potluck - and you can have a few good fights close by the base (you can even stay lowish and have some pretty much co-alt/e fights with whatever ups - which will be a grab bag).
summed up... stay close, but not too close to the furball route and you can usually draw a less timid flyer over and have some fun.
it can be done on a smaller scale too, with 1, maybe 2 wingys.
you can also fly over an enemy base being furballed and intercept the 2nd line bases, staying off the direct path as many might be on their way to defend.
you can also look for a small enemy force heading to one of your bases and up and get some alt to engage them before it becomes a fullblown furball.
the advantages of the above over time in DA is the variety of planes and situations you find yourself in. in DA it's as often as not same planes, co-e co-alt... on those rare occasions when you find someone who doesn't mind a mix n match (like me) it'll often still be co-alt nose to nose merge. i like variety, i like to be bounced, nothing gives me more satisfaction than nailing someone with an advantage over me, that's one skill set many simply to not possess.
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Rude, try climbing to 4k instead of 2k.
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I just wanted to point out....
Boom and Zoom and Energy fighter are different animals. It seems like alot of folks confuse this.
Diving on to a target, extending , and diving again is your basic Boom and zoom tactics.
Energy fighting is trying to maximize your energy while trying to gain angles on your target. It may use BnZ and/or Turn tactics. Often the first pass is not even an attempt to get a shot, but to gain advantage and angles on your opponet.
Ill bet most of you guys are E fighters and not BnZ fighters.
Its good to learn to knife fight with the bottom feeders, often a good fight will end up low and slow. Its to your advantage to know how to fight well down there.
I wish I was better at explaining the differences of E fighting v BnZ. maybe someone else can do a better job than I.
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Just glad to see you getting a dose of your own medicine. :D Sucks turnfighting a guy for 5 mins, finally get the kill and some La7/P-51 dweeb pops you at 500ias just as you check your 6 doesn't it?
Actually the best thing you can do is follow Shane's advice. That's about what I do most of the time.
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Originally posted by Grimm
I just wanted to point out....
Boom and Zoom and Energy fighter are different animals. It seems like alot of folks confuse this.
I wish I was better at explaining the differences of E fighting v BnZ. maybe someone else can do a better job than I.
simply put... BnZ is using altitude to get a kill. E fighting is using your plane's E-state and relative E-abilities to get the kill. regardless of your relative altitudes at the beginning of the encounter. BnZ is a form of E-fighting, as is angles (TnB - Turn and Burn) fighting; "pure" E-fighting is somewhere in between.
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Shane,
You hit the nail on the head as to how to find a good fight. Its really fun to work the edges like that with a wingman also.
Often after you shoot a guy down in that sort of situation, he will reup and come looking for you. Those are often alot of fun and turn into some awsome fights.
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I am refering to fighting a 1/2 sector off a base, working around the edges of a mob ect....
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Originally posted by Grimm
I wish I was better at explaining the differences of E fighting v BnZ. maybe someone else can do a better job than I.
I can remember BnZing being described as skillless. The difference between a BnZer and an E fighter is this. The BnZ will make a pass in an attempt to get a shot, run and extend for a mile or two to regain alt, come back and try it again. Think of the BnZer as a pendulem that swings back and forth into a fight in hopes of getting a shot.
An E fighter flys entirely differently - usually in the vertical, and usualy not extending to more than D3.0 away. I think of it similar to TnBing in a much larger area. Instead of a low and slow knife fight, its more of a fencing duel - two aircraft trying to gain position on one and other while maximizing the other's deficiencies in speed and energy - not turning radius and stall speed. It consists (at least in my computer room) of a series of feints, bluffs, and advantage gaining manuvers designed to confuse the con into blowing his E and/or position and allowing you to end the show with an attacking move.
Hope that helps. :D
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
An E fighter flys entirely differently - usually in the vertical, and usualy not extending to more than D3.0 away. I think of it similar to TnBing in a much larger area. Instead of a low and slow knife fight, its more of a fencing duel - two aircraft trying to gain position on one and other while maximizing the other's deficiencies in speed and energy - not turning radius and stall speed. It consists (at least in my computer room) of a series of feints, bluffs, and advantage gaining manuvers designed to confuse the con into blowing his E and/or position and allowing you to end the show with an attacking move.
Hope that helps. :D
yeah, Mazz that's a very good description of "E" fighting.
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Good replies both shane and Mazz :)
Like I said, I think most of you guys are E Fighters, Not BnZ guys. ;)
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Angle Fighter!
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Well...thanks guys!
I tend to like shanes fringe approach....I agree with SOB as well. The more time I've spent in the mix, the better my SA has become. Also, the aquisition of a target...engagement and disengagement thingie is the truth....too long on one bandit and you can just feel em climbin your six.
Overall I'm having a blast....the point I made to our squad is hey look....HTC has made this thing, it's up to us to use it in every way we can to have fun....I'de rather make my own than wait around on him to crank out the latest greatest upgrade.
Thanks alot to those of you who replied....I'm sure I'll cyas up from time to time and when I do, don't be suprised if I give ya a better fight than what you might expect:)
Thanks!
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I prefer Turn and burn myself.
No disrespect to the Boom and Zoomer out there but ive always found B&Z to be, well i bit boring, for both sides.
MY gameplay is not just kill based, its fun based and i get my kicks from hot dogging with a good stick.
I do B&Z somtimes when situation arises, but i always feel rather high and dry :)
Also on the reciveing end of a B&Z'mer i find it gets tedious being botherd by some alt monkey who keeps buzzing your 6 for the kill but you havent got the alt or e to get up there with him.
After a while i wish he would just go away :)
Its T&B for me but each to thier own :)
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My favorite is B&Zing through a furball.
MiniD
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Originally posted by Rude
.HTC has made this thing, it's up to us to use it in every way we can to have fun....I'de rather make my own than wait around on him to crank out the latest greatest upgrade.
Very well said Rude.
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I've said it before and I'll say it again. I'd rather die in a good fight than get an easy kill . Unfortunately Rude the type of fights I like 4v4ish or smaller furballs aren't really encountered in the MA with the exception of the AKdesert map. That is the most fun terrain for me in the MA . If I log on and it's any other terrain I'll normally just go find a h2h to play in .
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Originally posted by Shane
what I do in MA is stay on the fringes, hang about a 1/2 sector around an enemy base, or look for a quiet base, and you can have a few good fights close by the base
Don't you mean vulch? :D
Originally posted by Shane
on those rare occasions when you find someone who doesn't mind a mix n match (like me)
HAHAHAHAHA, Please stop, i'm in tears :D
Originally posted by Shane
I like variety, i like to be bounced
Variety?, hehe, you lame7 dweeb, please, my side hurts, you're killin me, hehe :D
Originally posted by Shane
Nothing gives me more satisfaction than nailing someone with an advantage over me.
Only when we fly 25k alt+, hehe
Originally posted by Shane
That's one skill set many simply to not possess.
No, not everyone wants to fly a lame7 :D
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just razzin ya shane, cya in the virtual skies :)
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Just start flying the 38... can turn with spit 9's when needed and damn good E fighter too... best of both worlds plus you get a spare engine :D (hint: flaps start working at 250 mph)
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"you can practically feel the seven other guys breathing down your neck without even looking."
Man i know the feeling,you got a guy almost to gun range,but your sholders start to cling up a bit,cause ya saw the horde closin fast.Pulling off a kill because a closing con on 6 is tuff,when your talking milliseconds between pop and roll,and being a flaming heap.
Corn
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Originally posted by Manedew
Just start flying the 38... can turn with spit 9's when needed and damn good E fighter too... best of both worlds plus you get a spare engine :D (hint: flaps start working at 250 mph)
Yeah, but you can get hits on a 38 from half a sector away its so big. :D
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well... I'm mediocre at best but I do like furballs and I survive a few of em.
numbers.. If you are forced to fly all the way to the base you need about 3vs2 odds ratio so that you can either beat the base down and land there (preferable time wise) or kill till you are out of fuel and ammo and go home. If you are defending then you only need the reverse, 2/3 ratio or even less. best is if you meet somewhere in the middle or if there is a cv about a qurter of a sector out... on on one.
The more planes the better. I can't hit squat so the more planes that fly in front of my guns the better... cannon planes kill fast and allow you to not have to saddle up so long but they don't work as good on high deflection shots and have short clips.
narsus... DMF is indeed fun to fite.
lazs
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My advice is fly with a wingman, fly something that turns good at low speeds, and use Vox. You'll still die, but you'll get some kills along the way.
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Hey Rude, fly the CT in the evenings. :)
Better people, better fights, interesting plane matchups.
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Originally posted by Ghosth
Hey Rude, fly the CT in the evenings. :)
Better people, better fights, interesting plane matchups.
Better people?
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interesting plane matchups? if you have had a lobotomy.
lazs
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"you can practically feel the seven other guys breathing down your neck without even looking."
Are you talking about cons or the friendlies trying to steal your kill?
bowser
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both.
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There are some in the 13th that always thought the most fun was mixing it up down in a low furball.
They were just patiently waiting for you to work your way through to the truth.
;)
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Hey! RUDE, Dude..
Just have to add my .4 cents. I've been doing this a Looong time (long story short). It's now fun again, BnZ, Furball, TnB, Jabo,,
Gettn shot down in MA, is pretty much assumed if you get low/slow. Some cheap-shot kill stealer SHALL (not MAY), come in and finish you off. Just figure "it WILL be done", but your goal is to kill the one you came with, FIRST.
Anyways,, the main purpose of my writing is..
Running into YOU & your wingie yesterday. I saw a pair of NME Spits, rolling round on one of my buds, near our airfield.
So, I race into the fray in a N1K, figuring on nailing at least 1 of you guys (u just blew my bud into pieces), with a glancing pass-by.
Nope, you both pull off in opposite directions, stall turn under, and I can't get a shot at NEITHER OF YOU!.. Yep. U gotme w/i the first 2 flip-dee-flops..
I re-up in a Spit-IX, head back out. You & yer wingie, low-slow, trying to make for home. I zoom down (a high-alt base takeoff), and as I'm about 900' out, you both peel off, on que!, in opposite directions, (picture perfect execution, like in a Thunderbird freakn AIRSHOW!),,
I saw the picture perfect "pincer" that was being executed, and KNEW that I'm screwed before the first shot was fired.. (like in Butch-Cassidy & Sundance Kid: Quote: "Who the hell ARE these guys?")
You are good. Who was your wingie? He is good. As a coordinated ACM tag-team, I can not imagine any single fighter ever beating you guys..
RV6 ~
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Heyas RV6.....my wingy was WT...thanks for the props.
I'de take two of the 13th against any other two in the game and feel we had a good chance to win...we have fought together for along time and work well together....others I've seen who work well together are Levi and Nath....Urchin knows the drill and many of the BK's are to be taken seriously.
My task at hand is to improve my 1v1 and 1v2 or 3 skills....trust me, I'm far from the top in our squad....others are seriously better than I am.
I have committed my online time for the next 6 months to knife fighting...the sad fact is, at my age, it probably won't do any good:)
One aspect of this style of fighting that doesn't get much mention, is the ability to identify the aspect and energy of an opponent and to make a snap judgement....that ability gives you a definite initial advantage. My old mind is so worn out after a days work that I'm more suited for the 51...still, I'm committed so I'll see it through:)
Take care and I'll cyas Up!
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actually rude.... you guys aren't very good. just need to tell you before you get hurt. know how sensitive you are.
lazs
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Originally posted by Apache
Better people?
I think Ghosth meant, that as a population, better pilots on average. Very few seal pups to club. ;)
My regards,
Widewing
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Originally posted by Widewing
I think Ghosth meant, that as a population, better pilots on average. Very few seal pups to club. ;)
My regards,
Widewing
Yeah I know. Ghosth is one of my buds. I was tryin' to get a rise outta him. He didn't bite :).
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Originally posted by lazs2
interesting plane matchups? if you have had a lobotomy.
lazs
Well, that depends on the setup in place at the time.
Some are as boring you state. Yet, others can provide a nice variation of aircraft.
The upcoming Finland-Russo setup provides much of the Luftwaffe aircraft, Soviet aircraft, including the La-5 and Yak-9T. Finns also get the FM-2 (substituting for and skinned like the Brewster Buffalo). If you're into heavy attack, the A-20G is included (was provided in large numbers under Lend-Lease).
The current variation on the Solomans campaign includes the F4F-4, F6F-5 and F4U-1, with the P-40E thrown in. Opposing these are the two Zeros, and the Ki-61.
Pilot quality is tremendous. Shane, Eskimo, Eagler, Leviathn, Nath, Daddog, Ripsnort, Kyle, Fester, Ammo, Frenchy, and Drex are regular participants during peak hours. Some nights, you can find all of the above in the arena. Furthermore, with just 30-100 total players in the arena, you can damn well count on fighting with or against the best the game has to offer. Last evening I was happy to see Rude drop by and spend some time flying P-40s. Like I indicated, this is a tough crowd.
Hold your own here, and you will prosper in the MA.
With limited DAR and 3k icon range, the environment is tougher than the MA, adding to the challenge.
It's a great place to sharpen old skills, and learn new ones.
My regards,
Widewing
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none of those guys you mentioned are any good.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
none of those guys you mentioned are any good.
Whew! I'm glad you said it before I had to.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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lolol
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I do just fine for usin a mouse....ordered my new joystick yesterday....watchout!!!
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rude you know I am sort of doing a similar thing pretty much all the time lately except im yo-yo-ing between the different types.
I tend to fly BnZ in a 190 then switch to something like a hurricane for t n b. The hurricane is a great fighter for these 1 v1 or 6 v 1 (or 6 v 8 :p) type fights.Im having a lot of fun and getting pretty good kill numbers by staying ner the edge of furballs in the hurricane.You have to be good with your SA in them as even at your fastest you are going pretty slow and can be an easy and tempting target.Flying the hurricane and surviving furballs where you are outnumbered and of course barely able to disengage really force you to try new tricks and moves.Id recommend flying the hurricane if you want to have fun learning new techniques.
I also have been dableing with the 109G10 as a dogfighter.Yes dogfighter not bnz.If you use its excellent climb rate and acceleration instead of its turning ability for instance, you end up in a very different type of fight.A sort of slow motion BnZ with somtimes only a few degrees of clearance as the enemy tries to get their nose onto you and you climb just out of reach.Ive had some of the most enjoyable fights in the g10 lately, engageing a group of cons and using the climb and speed to attack and evade.
Really satifying
Then maybe back to the 190 for a few more traditional bnz stuff then back to hurricanes etc.
Its really improved my enjoyment lately and if you tried it im sure you would enjoy it too.
Ahh then of course theres the P40!! perfect for you in that the guns match the p51d but the performance doesnt.You should in theory be a pro with that gun setup but forcing yourself to fly the p40 into busy areas and living to tell the tale can be a superb test.
Try this for a bit of fun one day:
Take a P40E and attack the Me163 base and try to bag yourself a perk plane in one.Its damn hard as you are under constant threat but when you kill a 163 AND survive its fantastic.You can do this sort of thing in the MA whenever the furball gets dull.You also learn to perfect the forced overshoot and dummy moves etc just to survive.Great plane for learning to create new moves i think.
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Fly a tiffie... no one steals ya kills then :D
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What's BNZ?
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Lazs, they're telling the truth, it IS harder to get kills in the CT.
Fly there, and you too will get fewer kills per hour than you would in the MA. It's a sure thing!
Of course, you and I both know why that's the case :)
J_A_B
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yes.. I think I know why and I have no interest in that. geeze.. I log when the radar is down in the MA if planes aren't visible when I take off.. I sure as heck am not gonna fly around hoping to run into a fite that isn't 10 v 1. The "historical" arena's in WB were allways just a poor substitute for the variety of the main one... In AH I have tried the CT and flew 2 sorties without ever seeing a plane (enemy one). I finally seen a plane in the CT and it promptly ran since it didn't have quite enough advantage in alt and e.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
yes.. I think I know why and I have no interest in that. geeze.. I log when the radar is down in the MA if planes aren't visible when I take off.. I sure as heck am not gonna fly around hoping to run into a fite that isn't 10 v 1. The "historical" arena's in WB were allways just a poor substitute for the variety of the main one... In AH I have tried the CT and flew 2 sorties without ever seeing a plane (enemy one). I finally seen a plane in the CT and it promptly ran since it didn't have quite enough advantage in alt and e.
lazs
To be certain of good fights in the CT, you need to log in during peak hours, typically between 8 PM and midnight eastern time. During this time period numbers will be somewhere between 40 and 60.
Last evening, we had 52 players logged in when I arrived, around 9 PM. About 45 of those were concentrated in a single sector. The Allies had two cruiser TGs and a carrier TG within 10 miles of a Japanese base.
The ensuing fight lasted to 2 AM when the Allies finally captured the field. Numbers at that time stood at 16 total players.
I logged off at 10:45 and logged in again just after midnight. There was no lack of targets, and I had little trouble finding enough of them to land 3 or 4, even 5 kill sorties. It is commonplace to see other players landing similar scores.
Now, if you log on off peak, finding a large fight will be a problem. Shane, Rude and Grunherz will agree that there are plenty of opportunities during the relatively busy peak hours. Yet, even during off peak, finding 1v1 fights is easy enough.
My regards,
Widewing
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so... what you are saying is that I need to fly the ct when it is the pizza map in the MA or.... nightime in the MA.... preferably both so that I can have enough ct player density to get what...... 5-6 kills an hour?
lazs
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Lazs,
The CT can be fun. But like anything worthwhile, some effort is required. If you pop in there already convinced your wasting your time (which is the impression you give) then save yourself a waste of time and dont even bother.
In my opinion, the MA has been so saturated for so long causing so many distractions and problems for my own fun factor that if it werent for the CT I would probably have bagged AH months ago.
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I don't care alot for the CT personally, but WT Fish and myself gave it a shot the other night.
WT and Fish landed 5 and 8 respectively in one hop....I was separated from them and did not have as much success, still I got kills.
Final analysis.....it's the MA on diet pills....smaller numbers won't allow for the ganging you find in the MA and you can find some good one v one fights which is harder to find in the MA due to the number of players.
Does this make it fun? Not for me....I prefer the hectic overpopulated enviroment of the MA...will I ever go back? From time to time, like when it's dark in the MA or other conditions merit a visit.
I still think it's a good move on HT's part...it just provides more choice for his player base and that is a good thing.
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Rude, here's my advice: fly a g10 and rope everyone.
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I have no problem with variety... I am a big advocate of choice. I simply think it's silly to claim that less is more. I undersrtand tho why the general forum is the only effective way to promote the CT and understand why it has to be pumped up with a little white lieing... I mean... it wouldn't sell too well if people told the truth about it or only talked about it in the CT forum.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
I have no problem with variety... I am a big advocate of choice. I simply think it's silly to claim that less is more. I undersrtand tho why the general forum is the only effective way to promote the CT and understand why it has to be pumped up with a little white lieing... I mean... it wouldn't sell too well if people told the truth about it or only talked about it in the CT forum.
lazs
Specifically, what “white lies” are you referring to?
I understand that you prefer the MA environment because of the player density that enables a high K/T. You like lots of action, and continuous action at that. That’s fine with me. I usually come to the MA when the CT numbers are low for similar reasons.
However, if you prefer a more individually challenging environment, the CT is it. As it is now in the MA, one is often either part of a horde or a victim of a horde. Moreover, most of the guys you can isolate in the MA are easy kills, simply due to the big influx of Noobs.
I prefer smaller fights, where you may have 4 on 4. Most of all, I really enjoy the 1v1 and 1v2 fights commonly found in the CT.
Other advantages of the CT is careful plane matching. One can fly an early-war fighter (depending upon the scenario in place) and not have to deal with hordes of late-model beasts.
Finally, there are three primary reasons why the CT has far fewer players than the MA.
1) Limited plane set
2) Difficulty level
3) Difficulty finding action off peak hours
There are four primary reasons why some people prefer the CT.
1) Higher level of competition (in general) and difficulty of play
2) Historical plane sets (often with re-skinned aircraft)
3) Far better maps and terrains.
4) No massive hordes to avoid
Bottom line: Choose your poison.
My regards,
Widewing
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wide... that is fine. I do not believe that you avoid gangbangs in the ct or any historical arena. I believe that 8 vs 2 is about the same as 16 vs 4 or 5.
more dificult? in what way? you have very little SA to worry about and... you can instantly regester what the limited plane types you meet will do/are capable of. Same for any help... it is all VERY predictable.
And yes... K/T is the mosrt important thing to me... What else am I here for? next is variety and after that... large numbers.
so... for "white lies" I would say... no gangbangs is a white lie and so is "better competition" as is "more difficult" and "better class of players" some of the worst no talent big mouths live in the CT. They run the second they feel they have lost the advantage.
The no radar thing is just a crutch to keep the CT from becoming even less dificult than a limited and predictable planeset makes it naturally.
I should probly give it another try during the hideous and boring pizza time in the MA but... It is basicaly the old "historical" arena of WB fame.
lazs