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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: Mini D on January 27, 2003, 11:20:48 AM
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The SQL worm virus? Intel is still reeling from it.
MiniD
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We do not use any MS server technology. The worm only exploits a feature(?) of MS SQL 2000.
HP got nailed also.
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
HP got nailed also.
Tell me about it. I work for a call center that supports HP parts ordering after-hours and weekends. HP is still struggling with getting all of their systems back up and running correctly.
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It's rather mind boggling, to me, that such large companies would trust a MS server for thier business.
I feel for you guys. Has to be frustrating.
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im suprised at the amount of people that use ms in there homes (myself included)
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seems strange Ford can be sued for the tires they use but MS gets off scott free after selling buggy- full of holes software which cause the loss of millions of dollars to major corps .... go figure
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I remember the nights of the attack. The whole web was slow as hell.
And Bill Gates still underestimates what a group of organized hackers can do.
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Originally posted by Eagler
seems strange Ford can be sued for the tires they use but MS gets off scott free after selling buggy- full of holes software which cause the loss of millions of dollars to major corps .... go figure
mebby cuz ..... nobody died?
Splash1
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Whoa.....I was only stating my surprise. I did not mean for this to be about bashing MS.
I am sure the IT folks at these companies knew about the potential problems as they are pretty well documented, but made the choice based on the feature set and corporate bought off on it.
I just feel for the innocent employees who got caught in the middle of it.
Let's not turn this into a crusade gentlemen. Thank you.
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Unless vandals went out and slashed all of the tires on the Ford autos, your analogy isn't very accurate. On the other hand, screw Microsoft! :)
SOB
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the reality is that if 'they' got infected, they didn't keep up with the patches. there was a fix available sometime last summer for this.
on the other hand, I'd never trust MS servers on the web.
they are the target of most attacks lately
especially sql
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Can you guys believe that Microsoft is rumored to be about to launch an ad campaign touting their superior stability and lower cost of ownership than Linux based products?
If that's true, maybe they should try to run their own Hotmail service using Microsoft software again. ;)
I have to say that Windows 2000 and XP are much better than the DOS based 9x OSes as far as stability, but Microsoft software has never been secure.
Is it just me, or does it seem to others here that the quality of software in general as far as bugs go is MUCH worse now than it was a few years ago? :(
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Would it not be fair to say though...
- MS gets targeted more than Linux/Unix boxes?
- there are more MS boxes to hit?
- the media never jumps on Linux/Unix worms when they hit?
My firewall gets just as many probes for Linux flaws as it does MS security flaws.
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Apache had to take down their "never been hacked" claim.
Part of MS's problem is that they keep "upgrading" so often that they can't keep up with themselves. One of the nice things about LINUX is the use of time-tested programs.
MiniD
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Vulcan, even MS admits there is no way they can make a Windows OS secure, by the very architecture of the software it cannot nor ever will be secure.
MiniD is right about maturity. Almost all the software running around the UNIX kernels has had the benefit of many more man years of work and exposure than the comparable MS supplied software.
In the server market on the Internet, UNIX and its derivatives still occupy the lion share of the deployments (over 70% if I recall).
If you toss in desktops, then MS is the winner.
There are inherent security problems in MS OS's that are simply not in a UNIX OS.
But, if you just install UNIX and don't bother setting up the security, then you are no more protected than a MS OS.
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Is it just me, or does it seem to others here that the quality of software in general as far as bugs go is MUCH worse now than it was a few years ago?
I think it's just that IT has gone mainstream and problems have become more public. There are also much much more retarded kids that have nothing better to do than download abusive scripts and run them. OR get infected without knowing it and becoming a slave in a DoS network.
I think overall things have gone to a better direction, but there still is such a long way to go.
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LOL
MS gets hit by the worm. Seems they didn't patch their own servers
MS gets hit too (http://www.w2knews.com/rd/rd.cfm?id=030203RN-InfoWorld)
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True skuzzy but I get a little tired of the whine when people compare apples and oranges (such as the Linux based appliances). And especially when people jump all over MS when theres hardly a squeek abiout the stuff hitting Linux servers. I remember when the Red Code thing hit, at the same time I was getting twice as many probes for the Lion Worm yet nobody knew what it was.
I just wish the media would paint the whole picture is all :)
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Vulcan, I doubt the media even knows what Linux is... :D
Linux has its share of security flaws, but considering the source code is freely available it stands to reason that any potential flaws can be easily found and exploited. By the same token, they are easier to repair as well. Like Unix, Linux also has a MUCH more effective permissions system in place which limits what a program can and cannot do (superior to Unix actually). A major flaw in Windows is that since Internet Explorer is integrated into the heart of the operating system, any flaws in that program can be used to change any file an attacker chooses. I cannot see how such a system can ever be made totally secure (or stable for that matter).