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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: Makarov9 on January 27, 2003, 11:25:38 AM
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Looks like Nvidia didn't make a Radeon 9700 killer like they claimed.
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.html?i=1779 (http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.html?i=1779)
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,3973,846356,00.asp (http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,3973,846356,00.asp)
http://www.tomshardware.com/graphic/20030127/index.html (http://www.tomshardware.com/graphic/20030127/index.html)
Although faster than the 9700, it's not by a large margin. Also the 9700 beats the 5800 in several test like Unreal Champ.
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The 9700 also wins in the quiet department and appears to have better image quality in the various AA modes and it is over $100.00 U.S. cheaper.
Not good.
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And consumes less power and is due for an upgrade - a die shrink.
Shades of 3dfx, anyone?
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I have to believe the FX will be NVidia's shortest lived product in history. Probably explains why they chose to keep all the manufacturing in house.
Makes it less painful to pull the plug on it as soon as they can replace it.
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Looks like my next purchase will be an ATI card.
DAMN YOU SKUZZY!!!!
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just get the 9700 PRO
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My Geforce 4 Ti4600 still has plenty of life left.
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Hang in there Animal. NV35 might be the cure for you. Would hate to see you give up on NVidia. You would not be happy with an ATI card.
One thing for sure. ATI has no reason to drop the 9700Pro price any further until they ship R350....if they choose to go ahead with R350.
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i been thinking of a new vid card for a while (currently GeForce MX40 64mb).
previoulsy i had a 32mb ATI something-or-other, and when i needed new drivers or support it was f****** s***!
there is no other way to describe the HORRIBLE drivers and support they had. i never did get the card running right. i was actually stuck in 640x480 16 color for about a week. :eek: the worst part is i sent 10+ emails and 2 snail-mail letters to them and NEVER got a single response. all were consise and to the point never acusatory... untill the last. :mad:
this was a short 2 years ago, and i find it hard to believe that the company is still in business. as far as im told all the people i knew had just as bad experiences with them.
what utterly confuses me is all the ATI fanboys here in AH. what am i missing? i hear over and over that the ATI beats the carp outta the GeForce cards. it sounds like GeForce has no business in the graphic industry based on how crappy their best cards work compared to the ATI.
somone PLEASE give me your personal experiences with ATI support. id like to hear if it has changed (im very skeptical though).
also does anyone own BOTH the GrForce Ti4600 128mb AND the ATI 9700? which do you like?
TY in advance and <>
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ATI isn't as bad as all that.
I used to own an Nvidia card before I got the 9700 pro and I'm plenty happy with it
I just downloaded new drivers last night... they work very well.
No probs with support, but I haven't needed it either since the card is performing as promised.
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Well, I have a GF3 Ti500 and I'm in no hurry to upgrade till everything settles a bit. When Gf3 came out " the games were not yet written to take advantage of its features". Well I guess they are about now!:D
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JB73,..that is way out of line,...calling anyone who says anything good about ATI a fanboy? I am getting really fed-up with that word.
I have both NVidia and ATI cards as follows:
ATI8500
ATI8500 128MB
ATI9700PRO
NVIDIA GF2 Ultra 64MB
NVIDIA GF4Ti4400
Out of all of them I have less problems with the ATI cards. But that is only marginal as I have very few problems with the NVidia cards (remember the 40.xx NVidia debacle drivers?).
I have never needed support from either company as the drivers and the products work as advertised.
Has ATI changed? In a big way over the last 1 year.
Thier drivers used to be horrid. They had a well earned reputation for it. But that seems pretty much gone and they appear to have gotten it together.
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Im a Happy 8500 owner.
But skuzzy..your a fan boy.
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Pongo,..I am now gonna have to beat ya about the head and shoulders with a bent up P51D.
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Skuzzy when can I shoot at your P51D in offline mode?
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I kind of miss TheWobble and his obligatory "ahahaha you are a moron if you buy that, Vodoo5 5500 is still the best video card EVER" post.
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Believe it or not Grun,...I am the stealthy one here at HTC. You never know what I am doing, but stuff happens. :D
My P51D may be there...and it may not be there. :)
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
NVIDIA GF2 Ultra 64MB
ditto....and i'm still pushin 85+ fps at 1600 in AH. yeah smoke still hurts, but it's not enough to warrant $200 bones on a new card yet.
been a great card so far.
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LOL! Animal!
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:)
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Well
that explains why I often get shot down when engaging those drones.
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
JB73,..that is way out of line,...calling anyone who says anything good about ATI a fanboy? I am getting really fed-up with that word.
im truly sorry Skuzzy :( i didnt mean to make it sound like that.. was typing fast @ work.
what i meant was there are two distinct camps here in AH. the ATI guys and the GrForce guys. why so loyal i guess?
like i stated about my previous problems with them, i just didnt get it.
again im truly sorry :( <> and hope i can make it up to you.
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JB73..I don't get upset about stuff on this bulletin board.
With ATI and NVidia being the predominant video card suppliers, sure there are 2 camps.
Some people do get wound up and hardware. I just like what works for me. But recognizing the fact that some people do get tied up to a hardware vendor, sways how I make suggestions.
Someone that prefers NVidia, I recommend NVidia, someone that prefers ATI, I recommend ATI. Hard to go wrong as both companies make quality products these days.
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well TY for taking it easy on me :)
but coming from you ... if you say ATI has come around on customer service ill believe it. maybe i should look into the 9700. how much does it run about?
a good friend of mine has the Ti4600 and got it for $309 about 2 months ago. thats alot of change for a vid card.
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You are right about ATI's drivers and support, they used to be absolutely terrible. They do seem to be better now though...
The GF FX is pretty disappointing IMO. ( I predicted as much several months ago.) It barely outperforms the 9700 Pro in a few benchmarks. It also consumes 70+ Watts of electricity and the fan sounds "like a vacuum." :( If nVidia follows their usual pattern they will release new drivers in about 3 months that improve performance by about 10% though...
If I were buying a top of the line card now, I'd probably go with the 9700 Pro or wait for the next nVidia cards with NV35.
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77 decibles
thats a forget it bench mark in my book.
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I owned a Rage128 card for years. Ran it on flight sims while everyone else was running GF2's. The thing that made it so hard to get rid of for me was the image quality. I now use a GF2 32DDR card, a faster card, but with poorer image quality.
In reviewing OCP's article http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NDIx comparing ATI and GF's note the difference in brightness of foreground objects vs. those more distant. The GF's just have a darker picture.
Makes me have to turn my monitor and color controls up for gaming and down for desktop. With my ATI card I never touched the em.
If my GF2 crapped out today, I would buy an ATI again in a heart beat.
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Lol 77db??
Thats almost dangerous to your hearing lol.
About the support: Ive never called even one support call to anywhere as stuff just worked without it.
I didn't touch ATI before, but according to reviews it's THE choice of today.
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According to OSHA, 77 dB is over the legal workplace limit. The moral of the story, leave your GeForce FX at home. :D