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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: rc51 on January 27, 2003, 06:37:17 PM
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Well Well It seems as thought there may be indedd a war in iraq sooner than we think?
I have been doing somethinking on this and i am not sure this war is really needed!
Now before a get flamed for that comment i think i have a right my opinion as i serverd in the Us Army From 1973 -80
I was MOS bravo 4 for those who know what that is hello !and for those of you who dont im sure you will not understand me at all LOL.
First what happend to the people (osama bin ladden) that killed 3k in new york and dc?
Did we forget about them or was it just too hard to find the rat bastard?
Ok on to sodomy insain.
Yes he is a very evil man but why do we (the usa) always have to be the worlds police?
Hell I think N korea is more of a threat to the world then saddumb!
Is it going to be worth it Mr Pres to send all our young people over there and stir up a toejam storm that nobody knows what the outcome will be!!
What is it going to do to the world economy?
What is it going to do in that part of the world that allready hates us?
GEE I guess by wooping there tulips they will come to love us huh?
Look i am a patriot my heart belongs to the good olg USA .
I still live by DUTY HONOR COUNTRY
But is this worth the young lives it will cost to prove a point!
I think maybe we all should pray NOT for war but for understanding.
I mean toejam we put men on moon but cant behave together sad huh.
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I'm very impressed at what this administration has gotten done so far in regards to Iraq without resorting to warfare . If they can get the whole thing done without any warfare that would make me a very happy man .
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well gunther that was grown up of you.
Perhaps you will be the first one to volontier his life for this cause?
OOPs sorry thats right your just a keyboard tuffguy HUH .LOL
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Originally posted by rc51
well gunther that was grown up of you.
Perhaps you will be the first one to volontier his life for this cause?
OOPs sorry thats right your just a keyboard tuffguy HUH .LOL
With all due respect rc51, such talk is unbecoming of a U.S. Army Ranger.
Les
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well gunther that was grown up of you.
Just joking, bud. :)
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leslie mos bravo 4 is not Ranger.
It is though sniper LOL
You will find after samolia that Rangers hate Wars the most cuase they have to fight the dam thgings.
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Gunther No problem bud My stomach is upset with all this talk of war.
And the casual attitiud about it.
least we forget that real people die in wars.
Ps im trying to pass a kidney stone OUCHHHHHHHH
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i only choose the motto RANGERS LEAD THE WAY!
Out of the totall respect i have for those guys.
I have known a few in my day and they are the best!!!!!!
Along with marine force recone and navy seals.
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With all due respect rc51, such talk is unbecoming of a U.S. Army Ranger.
Tho you have defended your actions perfectly tc. may i say i find your comments quite becoming of a U.S. Army anything. He is bound in no consieveable way to support the current commander in chief. if he dissagrees so strongly with bushes policys is it not his duty as a member of a free democracy (are we still ?) to openly resist foolhardy actions of the military commander of the contry?
he has the right and in fact duty to do so without a dought.
im crappy squid honorably discharged. of no special merit but totaly agree with him.
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If i where still in the Army I would NOT question my pres.
But i have been out for 22 years now and I hate to think of young people dying for anything BUT the defence of there country and peoples.
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By the way rc51, I do share your concern about the prospect of war in Iraq and the loss of life that will occur. I think we all have some sense of forboding or uncertainty about it. :(
Still, I have confidence in President Bush to lead the way and make the call. I know some vocal people like to trash him, and talk as though the USA should feel self-loathing, but I voted for him because I believe he is a man of principle. So is his administration, in my opinion.
I don't expect to see every fact that leads him to his decision published or broadcasted , but I'm confident that he will NOT send our young people to war without a just reason. I know he is going to do the right thing.
War in Iraq or not, God Bless America and our Allies - because the world has changed. rc51
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Wow this thread turned gay fast .
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Wow, this thread turned gay fast - Suave
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RgR that my friend.
Look its really easy for all of us to second guess world leaders.
I for one would hate to be Bush right now.
I am not in anyway calliong down my country not at all.
Right or wrong I will support \America in all her trials.
But The thought of a War is upsettting to me.
If we must go to war and die lets do it for ALL the right reasones.
Our military is ready we have really good people young strong and smarter than when i was in.
As much as i hate soodumb insain and would love to see him dead.
I kknow a few things that i will share with you ok.
First to remove saddum we dont need to go to war!!
Seal team 6 and delta 4 could handle it quitly and quickly.
But there would not be any CNN coverage to show the reast of the terrorist nations how tough we are.
This War above all else is to make a point!!
We can KIll you any time any where!!
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Originally posted by Suave
I'm very impressed at what this administration has gotten done so far in regards to Iraq without resorting to warfare . If they can get the whole thing done without any warfare that would make me a very happy man .
Funny,the German populus was of the exact same opinion in 1939.
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No they couldn't have possibly had the exact same opinion . But you're right though, what you said is funny.
Oh and thanks for another Nazi analogy, I was beginning to think this thread couldn't get any gayer .
Man you're right america is evil like hitler, they're just looking out for their own imperialist intrests around the globe and they don't care who they have to push around to that end . Bush is a maniac ! And a stupid one, along with all his cronies . America is a totally repressive and fascist regime, guilty of atrocious war crimes along with their zionist friends. It's time the global community stood up to these thugs, maybe we'll blow up some of their buildings or something .
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LOL what a moron
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Originally posted by Suave
I'm very impressed at what this administration has gotten done so far in regards to Iraq without resorting to warfare . If they can get the whole thing done without any warfare that would make me a very happy man .
(Raises eyebrow in Mr Spock fashion). So bombing a country is not considered resorting to warfare anymore? Fascinating.
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I agree! :D
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The removal of saddam would help stabilize the region( he wars with everyone). However, war could destabilize the region. A rock and a hard place is the prez. Pray for the troops, they are far from home and in harms way.
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Damn RC51 you sure spell like a Ranger:)
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Men, this stuff that some sources sling around about America wanting out of this war, not wanting to fight, is a crock of roadkill. Americans love to fight, traditionally. All real Americans love the sting and clash of battle.
You are here today for three reasons. First, because you are here to defend your homes and your loved ones. Second, you are here for your own self respect, because you would not want to be anywhere else. Third, you are here because you are real men and all real men like to fight.
When you, here, everyone of you, were kids, you all admired the champion marble player, the fastest runner, the toughest boxer, the big league ball players, and the All-American football players. Americans love a winner. Americans will not tolerate a loser.
Americans despise cowards.
Americans play to win all of the time. I wouldn't give a hoot in hell for a man who lost and laughed. That's why Americans have never lost nor will ever lose a war; for the very idea of losing is hateful to an American.
You are not all going to die. Only two percent of you right here today would die in a major battle. Death must not be feared. Death, in time, comes to all men. Yes, every man is scared in his first battle. If he says he's not, he's a liar. Some men are cowards but they fight the same as the brave men or they get the hell slammed out of them watching men fight who are just as scared as they are.
The real hero is the man who fights even though he is scared. Some men get over their fright in a minute under fire. For some, it takes an hour. For some, it takes days. But a real man will never let his fear of death overpower his honor, his sense of duty to his country, and his innate manhood. Battle is the most magnificent competition in which a human being can indulge. It brings out all that is best and it removes all that is base. Americans pride themselves on being He Men and they ARE He Men.
Remember that the enemy is just as frightened as you are, and probably more so. They are not supermen.
All through your Army careers, you men have squeaked about what you call "chicken toejam drilling". That, like everything else in this Army, has a definite purpose. That purpose is alertness. Alertness must be bred into every soldier. I don't give a diddly for a man who's not always on his toes. You men are veterans or you wouldn't be here. You are ready for what's to come. A man must be alert at all times if he expects to stay alive. If you're not alert, sometime, a German son-of-an-amazinhunk-squeak is going to sneak up behind you and beat you to death with a sock full of toejam!
There are four hundred neatly marked graves somewhere in Sicily, all because one man went to sleep on the job. But they are German graves, because we caught the bastard asleep before they did.
An Army is a team. It lives, sleeps, eats, and fights as a team.
This individual heroic stuff is pure horse toejam. The bilious bastards who write that kind of stuff for the Saturday Evening Post don't know any more about real fighting under fire than they know about diddlying!" "We have the finest food, the finest equipment, the best spirit, and the best men in the world. Why, by God, I actually pity those poor sons-of-squeakes we're going up against. By God, I do.
My men don't surrender, and I don't want to hear of any soldier under my command being captured unless he has been hit. Even if you are hit, you can still fight back That's not just bull toejam either. The kind of man that I want in my command is just like the lieutenant in Libya, who, with a Luger against his chest, jerked off his helmet, swept the gun aside with one hand, and busted the hell out of the Kraut with his helmet. Then he jumped on the gun and went out and killed another German before they knew what the hell was coming off. And, all of that time, this man had a bullet through a lung. There was a real man!
All of the real heroes are not storybook combat fighters, either. Every single man in this Army plays a vital role. Don't ever let up. Don't ever think that your job is unimportant. Every man has a job to do and he must do it. Every man is a vital link in the great chain.
What if every truck driver suddenly decided that he didn't like the whine of those shells overhead, turned yellow, and jumped headlong into a ditch? The cowardly bastard could say, 'Hell, they won't miss me, just one man in thousands.' But, what if every man thought that way? Where in the hell would we be now? What would our country, our loved ones, our homes, even the world, be like?
No, whoopeeit, Americans don't think like that. Every man does his job. Every man serves the whole. Every department, every unit, is important in the vast scheme of this war.
The ordnance men are needed to supply the guns and machinery of war to keep us rolling. The Quartermaster is needed to bring up food and clothes because where we are going there isn't a hell of a lot to steal. Every last man on K.P. has a job to do, even the one who heats our water to keep us from getting the 'G.I. toejams'.
Each man must not think only of himself, but also of his buddy fighting beside him. We don't want yellow cowards in this Army. They should be killed off like rats. If not, they will go home after this war and breed more cowards. The brave men will breed more brave men. Kill off the whoopeeed cowards and we will have a nation of brave men.
One of the bravest men that I ever saw was a fellow on top of a telegraph pole in the midst of a furious fire fight in Tunisia. I stopped and asked what the hell he was doing up there at a time like that. He answered, 'Fixing the wire, Sir.' I asked, 'Isn't that a little unhealthy right about now?' He answered, 'Yes Sir, but the whoopeeed wire has to be fixed.' I asked, 'Don't those planes strafing the road bother you?' And he answered, 'No, Sir, but you sure as hell do!' Now, there was a real man. A real soldier. There was a man who devoted all he had to his duty, no matter how seemingly insignificant his duty might appear at the time, no matter how great the odds.
And you should have seen those trucks on the rode to Tunisia. Those drivers were magnificent. All day and all night they rolled over those son-of-a-squeaking roads, never stopping, never faltering from their course, with shells bursting all around them all of the time. We got through on good old American guts. Many of those men drove for over forty consecutive hours. These men weren't combat men, but they were soldiers with a job to do. They did it, and in one hell of a way they did it. They were part of a team. Without team effort, without them, the fight would have been lost. All of the links in the chain pulled together and the chain became unbreakable.
Don't forget, you men don't know that I'm here. No mention of that fact is to be made in any letters. The world is not supposed to know what the hell happened to me. I'm not supposed to be commanding this Army. I'm not even supposed to be here in England. Let the first bastards to find out be the whoopeeed Germans. Some day I want to see them raise up on their piss-soaked hind legs and howl, 'Jesus Christ, it's the whoopeeed Third Army again and that son-of-a-diddlying-squeak Patton'.
We want to get the hell over there." The quicker we clean up this whoopeeed mess, the quicker we can take a little jaunt against the purple pissing Japs and clean out their nest, too. Before the whoopeeed Marines get all of the credit.
Sure, we want to go home. We want this war over with. The quickest way to get it over with is to go get the bastards who started it. The quicker they are whipped, the quicker we can go home. The shortest way home is through Berlin and Tokyo. And when we get to Berlin I am personally going to shoot that paper hanging son-of-a-squeak Hitler. Just like I'd shoot a snake!
When a man is lying in a shell hole, if he just stays there all day, aGerman will get to him eventually. The hell with that idea. The hell with taking it. My men don't dig foxholes. I don't want them to. Foxholes only slow up an offensive. Keep moving. And don't give the enemy time to dig one either. We'll win this war, but we'll win it only by fighting and by showing the Germans that we've got more guts than they have; or ever will have.
We're not going to just shoot the sons-of-squeakes, we're going to rip out their living whoopeeed guts and use them to grease the treads of our tanks. We're going to murder those lousy Hun cock suckers by the bushel-diddlying-basket. War is a bloody, killing business. You've got to spill their blood, or they will spill yours. Rip them up the belly. Shoot them in the guts. When shells are hitting all around you and you wipe the dirt off your face and realize that instead of dirt it's the blood and guts of what once was your best friend beside you, you'll know what to do!
I don't want to get any messages saying, 'I am holding my position.' We are not holding a whoopeeed thing. Let the Germans do that. We are advancing constantly and we are not interested in holding onto anything, except the enemy's balls. We are going to twist his balls and kick the living toejam out of him all of the time.
Our basic plan of operation is to advance and to keep on advancing regardless of whether we have to go over, under, or through the enemy. We are going to go through him like crap through a goose; like toejam through a tin horn!
From time to time there will be some complaints that we are pushing our people too hard. I don't give a good whoopee about such complaints. I believe in the old and sound rule that an ounce of sweat will save a gallon of blood. The harder WE push, the more Germans we will kill. The more Germans we kill, the fewer of our men will be killed. Pushing means fewer casualties. I want you all to remember that.
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you people don't know what "war' is, D-day was war, iwo jima was war , stalingrad was war, battle of britain was war.
iraq will be a reconnaissance in force
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the above was from gen George S Patton.