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Title: flying the LW planes
Post by: MaddogJoe on January 28, 2003, 06:07:46 AM
OK I've had my fill of the Niks and La7 and spits.... moved onto some of the American iron... p38, p51, and my fav the "hog", but now its time to fly some of the luffwaffe planes. I'm kinda partial to the FW190-A5. I know about the low fuel...take a drop tank, I know about the poor wing guns that only add wieght, NOT lethality, but any other tips would be great!

I seem to remember someone posting a write up on LW planes and how to fly them, but after searching for over an hour I can't find it.... anyone still got a link, or an authers name?

Thanks again !

Maddog Joe

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Title: flying the LW planes
Post by: Innominate on January 28, 2003, 06:51:57 AM
Most important part of flying the 190s:
The auto fuel manager is wrong, you need to burn the AFT tank first, not the FWD.  The plane handlles MUCH better with the aft empty first.

http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=43808
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=70815
Title: flying the LW planes
Post by: humble on January 28, 2003, 11:47:24 AM
your looking for Urchins luftwabble primer...great thread
Title: flying the LW planes
Post by: MaddogJoe on January 28, 2003, 04:12:19 PM
Thanks guys ! :D

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Title: flying the LW planes
Post by: wetrat on January 31, 2003, 12:40:45 AM
Urchin wrote a good one on LW planes a while back.. It'll be kicking around somewhere.
Title: flying the LW planes
Post by: devious on February 01, 2003, 03:04:50 PM
As you won't be able to turn with most planes, practise deflection shooting.

Most kills I get this way go like:

The bastard sees me coming and breaks, so I readjust to have him fly through my line of fire at approx 500 yds. There he comes, his upside pointing at my front. As he passes before me, I squeeze off a half-second-burst.

Now he either falls from the sky, sawed in half and/or burning - or I just pull up gently and rinse and repeat.
Title: flying the LW planes
Post by: wetrat on February 08, 2003, 02:14:31 AM
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Originally posted by devious
As you won't be able to turn with most planes, practise deflection shooting.

Most kills I get this way go like:

The bastard sees me coming and breaks, so I readjust to have him fly through my line of fire at approx 500 yds. There he comes, his upside pointing at my front. As he passes before me, I squeeze off a half-second-burst.

Now he either falls from the sky, sawed in half and/or burning - or I just pull up gently and rinse and repeat.


Or the said tnb weenie get's his nose on you and tears your vertical and/or horizontal stabs off... but we never like to talk about that part, eh :)
Title: flying the LW planes
Post by: MaddogJoe on February 08, 2003, 09:06:18 AM
With the limited time I've had to fly lately I've played with both the A5 and the G10.

In the A5 I take a drop tank, and burn the aft tank as I climb out. I'v e fought both with and with out the DT on and as long as you BnZ it works ok. Biggest trouble I have is getting an enemy to a low enough "E" state to make a good guns pass. Most of the time I get 2 or 3 enemy grabbin behind me while I work on the one. Is there any suggestions on a merge that will get me in a better firering position faster?

In the 109G10 I seem to be riding the stall buzzer all the time.  I was trying to "E" fight in the 109, but every time I turned back I was buzzing. Should I burn the tanks in a special order on this plane too? Again, is there a merge that will help on this one too?

Films of either of these planes in action would be great too, anyone got a link ??

Thanks for all the help !

Maddog Joe

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Title: flying the LW planes
Post by: Urchin on February 08, 2003, 10:24:07 AM
The 109 G-10 is a good fighting plane, but you will be riding the stall buzzer the whole fight, there isn't any way around it.  Best merge for the MA is probably a zoom, depending on the relative E-states of you and your opponent.  

Usually I will zoom up and look to see if the enemy followed me- if he did you can continue the zoom (usually adding some sort of spiral component to make it harder for them to shoot you), then wait till they run out of speed and it turns into a rope.  If they don't follow you up, you come over the top and get behind them.  From there, if they do a turn, you do a high yo-yo, wait till they quit turning and drop in behind them again.  The 109 is a very poor BnZ plane due to lackluster high speed handling- but you can use your superior acceleration and climb-rate to stay above and behind someone until they get slow enough that you can 'saddle up' for the kill.
Title: flying the LW planes
Post by: MaddogJoe on February 08, 2003, 12:22:04 PM
thanks Urchin, another question... do you use flaps in the 109, or if I'm that slow Im dead anyway?  ;)  

Maddog Joe

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Title: flying the LW planes
Post by: Urchin on February 08, 2003, 01:39:18 PM
The only time I ever use flaps is at very low speed, usually 110-120 mph.  Most of the time you'll be to fast to deploy them anyway.
Title: flying the LW planes
Post by: Batz on February 08, 2003, 05:42:44 PM
Check out my website for 109 tips, Check training and read the aircraft write ups.

Link is in my sig.........

I like to think I taught urchin wetrat  everything the know but they could shoot me down from day 1........
Title: flying the LW planes
Post by: Kweassa on February 12, 2003, 04:03:18 AM
Here's also a small link (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=70117&highlight=kweassa) where Gabber asked about 109s and 190s.. I'm barely average in 190, but the 109s I've used it for a long time.. perhaps some of the info in here can help..
Title: flying the LW planes
Post by: MaddogJoe on February 12, 2003, 06:31:28 PM
Thanks for the posts guys! Anuone have any good films they can post, or point me too? I've been to the Virtual Air Combat Maneuvering Training Acadamy (http://gandalf.totalcs.com/vta/index.phtml) and checked out the films by AKNimitz.

Thanks again !

Maddog Joe

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Title: Someone ask for Urchin's "How To Fly the LW Planes"?
Post by: gofaster on February 25, 2003, 01:40:37 PM
I put the whole thing in a single document.  I'm uploading the .txt version since AH won't let me do the prettier .doc form. Enjoy.
Title: flying the LW planes
Post by: Elysian on March 02, 2003, 08:27:16 AM
190s are great BnZers with their good high speed handling and climb.  Try and keep your speed above 290 at all times, don't kill your speed in a multi-con environment by pulling hard turns or too steep of climbs.  Wotan told me a long time ago to try not to exceed 2 gs in turns, not always possible :) but good advice.

Easiest way to get kills is to bounce cons that are lower and slower than you (as always :P).  Fly your attacks so that you swoop in from the enemies blind spots, like split S down from directly above.  Time it so you connect your shots with the least amount of angle off tail, try and delay your visibility in his rear hemispehere until you are ready to fire.   Hit or miss, zoom past and regain E.

If you get in trouble, 190s can dive fairly well and have good level speed if you are forced to the deck (D9 can outrun P51 on the deck).  Last ditch efforts to turn the tables on a con can use the 190s roll to its advantage, such as barrel rolls or scissors to force overshoots.  190 has very poor low speed handling however, it is tough to win the "overshoot fight" vs most planes.


I take the extra 20mm on the A5, the performance difference is really negligible IMO.

Shouldn't really turn 190s if you can help it, but they do get *sort of* maneuverable when low on fuel (say 50-75 fwd left).  190A5 struggles, but can keep with turning nikis and spit 9s sometimes when low on fuel.

190s are great fun when ya get used to them !
Title: flying the LW planes
Post by: gofaster on March 05, 2003, 09:08:45 AM
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Originally posted by Elysian
Easiest way to get kills is to bounce cons that are lower and slower than you (as always :P).  Fly your attacks so that you swoop in from the enemies blind spots, like split S down from directly above.  Time it so you connect your shots with the least amount of angle off tail, try and delay your visibility in his rear hemispehere until you are ready to fire.   Hit or miss, zoom past and regain E.


My tactic in a 190A8 is to drop down from the target's 4 o'clock position, keeping my nose in front of the target's so that my flight path will connect to his.  From that angle, you sit in the target's blind spot since you're neither directly behind nor beside and are slightly above the level view area.  I chop throttle around 2.5 or so to (a) avoid an excessive rate of closure and (b) to hide the sound of my engine which can alert the target that another plane is near.


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Originally posted by Elysian
I take the extra 20mm on the A5, the performance difference is really negligible IMO.  


I skip the A5 and go straight to the A8, which has the same armament but more ammo.

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Originally posted by Elysian
190s are great fun when ya get used to them !


I love getting into an HO merge with Spitfires, Hellcats, P-51s, 109s - heck, anything except P-38s, Me-110s, Hurricane IICs and P-47s.  I can WEP the A8 up to around 15k on take-off, then normal climb from there to 20k and drop down on most targets at will.  There's a certain satisfaction in watching a plane just disintegrate into its component parts under that sort of withering firepower.  It makes pretty short work of bombers, too.
Title: flying the LW planes
Post by: XtrmeJ on March 06, 2003, 11:05:30 PM
*Sheds Tear* Learning to Fly LW planes. *sniff* ATTA BOY!!!!!
Title: flying the LW planes
Post by: wetrat on March 07, 2003, 02:03:59 PM
I'd suggest learning to fly the 109's well. If you can fight well in a 109 (as in not running all the time), you can do well in just about anything.