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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Hortlund on January 28, 2003, 05:25:53 PM
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http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/africa/01/28/congo.cannibals.ap/index.html
Human rights activists and investigators from the United Nations say rebels cooked and ate at least a dozen Pygmies and an undetermined number of people from other tribes during recent fighting with rival insurgents.
Congolese Liberation Movement rebels may have eaten Pygmies as punishment for their guiding rival troops through the dense forests, said Angali Salehe, the chief of the camp were Nzoli lived.
Exactly how f*cking sick is that?
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Does the fact that they are African make any difference?
I mean... if they were from Appalacia or Nevada or Sweden do you think you would have qualified the description with a location?
One more question....
do ya think this will ever be an ingredient on Iron Chef?
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Of course it makes a difference, all Africans are sexually deviant savages that do nothing more than cannabilize any human that crosses their path.
This stops them from eating most of their own of course, because for the most part- they are sub-human. Not even worthy of grazing the same grass as our cows.
All Africans should be caged and beaten!!!! White power!!!!!!
-SW
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Originally posted by Hortlund
http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/africa/01/28/congo.cannibals.ap/index.html
Exactly how f*cking sick is that?
Once again with the cultural imperialism. Just because canabilism isn't practiced in the west it automatically bad?
heheh, just kidding.
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It would have been more interesting if Pygmies were being eaten in Sweden.
I don't think anyone really cares what gets eaten in Nevada.
And 99% of college grads cannot find Appalacia on a map.
Originally posted by midnight Target
Does the fact that they are African make any difference?
I mean... if they were from Appalacia or Nevada or Sweden do you think you would have qualified the description with a location?
One more question....
do ya think this will ever be an ingredient on Iron Chef?
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Originally posted by Kanth
And 99% of college grads cannot find Appalacia on a map.
appalacia needs better PR, like "i just won the super bowl and i'm going to appalacia "
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I read that this morning before going to school, put a positive spin on me for the whole day.. :D The idea of this little midget person roasting on a spit as marxist african guerrillas pick of bits of him to eat is very amusing. Ahh Africa our very own medieval land of human wonders.
:rolleyes:
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The poor Pygmies man...I mean it.
I saw a show about a tribe in the Congo, or wherever, that kept pygmies as slaves. The chief was a rich man, mostly based upon his slave holdings and he nattered on in the show about how his assets were to be split among his next of kin upon his death.
Now I know it was all about who was gonna get the "fat ones"...you know the Prime Grade "A" Pygmies.
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Originally posted by Curval
Now I know it was all about who was gonna get the "fat ones"...you know the Prime Grade "A" Pygmies.
man you guys can be sickeningly funny in a kevin smith kinda way sometimes! :D
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Cannabilism was common practise in the west right into the late 19th Century.
Remember guys its only been just over a 100 years since we stopped chewing on the relatives ;)
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yup,,plus you will die if you keep eating people,,we dont got any nutrition in are bodies hardly,,no one can live on humans for very long,,they get weird problems,,cant walk,,lack of the right nutrition they need,,,cant see or hear anymore<~~with prolong eating of people of cource,,ever see films of true canibals?,there all messed up,,,cant see or hear,,or walk anymore,,there bodies shut down,,,,,,pretty much its your body telling you,,its wrong to eat people!!,,lol
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The problem with eating Pygmies is that it takes so many of them to fill you up. I prefer dining on the much larger Watusis- not only can one feed an entire war party, but I think they're tastier too.
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Cannabilism was common practise in the west right into the late 19th Century.
Huh?
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I suppose you'd serve red wine with pygmies.
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Originally posted by Dune
I suppose you'd serve red wine with pygmies.
Yeah Dune, only serve white wine with Scandanivians. Sheeesh, you're an attorney- I'd think you know how to properly serve up a carcass. :)
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Pygmies taste just like chicken, I have been told:)
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it gives a new meening to "look ho little he is, hey, he looks like a baby" "get in my belly rrrright now" " oooh i want m baby back baby back ribs with Chiliiiiiiii and baby back ribs":D
Sorry a little sick humor:(
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It causes spongiform encephalopathy.
Originally posted by hyena426
yup,,plus you will die if you keep eating people,,we dont got any nutrition in are bodies hardly,,no one can live on humans for very long,,they get weird problems,,cant walk,,lack of the right nutrition they need,,,cant see or hear anymore<~~with prolong eating of people of cource,,ever see films of true canibals?,there all messed up,,,cant see or hear,,or walk anymore,,there bodies shut down,,,,,,pretty much its your body telling you,,its wrong to eat people!!,,lol
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Originally posted by weazel
It causes spongiform encephalopathy.
Yes, in a steady diet maybe. But if all you eat is fish you will get mercury poisioning, so moderation is the key. One or two Pygmy Dogs a week won't hurt you...in fact you will be helping the African economy if you eat Pygmy Dogs. What other exports do they have???
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Originally posted by ra
Huh?
Look up some western medical cures in the 19th century.
My favourite, fresh human blood to cure epilepsy. Apparently at hangings it was common for epilepsy victims to turn up cup in hand, waiting, patiently. Once hang'ee's were confirmed dead they were 'bled' at the ankle.
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Vulc there are still weirdo's who dress in black and tend to avoid the sun who do daft things like that. We dont call em cannibals, we call em dopey American Goths pretending to be vampires.
(http://image1ex.villagephotos.com/extern/640697.jpg)
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I'm invisible now.. Yes I am.
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It was considered acceptable in cases of shipwreck to eat the dead. This in the western hemisphere.
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Originally posted by Vulcan
Cannabilism was common practise in the west right into the late 19th Century.
Remember guys its only been just over a 100 years since we stopped chewing on the relatives ;)
wtf are you talking about?
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Originally posted by Ping
It was considered acceptable in cases of shipwreck to eat the dead. This in the western hemisphere.
So in your opinion, the guys on that mountain in the Andes (you know, the move "Alive") that had to eat eachother to survive are in no way different from the rebels who are eating their opponents in this civil war?
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The other, other white meat.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Does the fact that they are African make any difference?
I mean... if they were from Appalacia or Nevada or Sweden do you think you would have qualified the description with a location?
So...I should not have said "African cannibals" because that is...what? Nevermind the fact that the cannibals actually are africans, that is beside the point.
And yeah, if we had a band of rebels in Sweden murdering people , then cooking them and eating them, you are damn right I would call them Swedish cannibals. We dont have any of those however.
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Originally posted by Hortlund
wtf are you talking about?
In the 19th Century many (western) medical cures involved use of human body parts.
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"Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me and I in him." (John 6:56).
Damn heathens and their cannibalism! :D
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Hortlund, relax. I was not stating my opinion on a matter, I was just bringing up an historical fact.
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The reason there is a taboo about cannibalism is at least two fold; first, and most obvious, we don't like being considered food. So we abstain from eating our neighbor and he abstains from eating us. It's considered bad manners because it's not beneficial for the groups commitment to its members.
Secondly, it's about diseases. Other animals might have diseases, but we still eat them. In the case of many virii and bacteria, they cannot 'jump species', so we're safe. If we eat a human, there's no species jumping needed - and it's unsafer.
Plus there's much more meat on a pig. I mean, humans really aren't very meaty. Some are extremely fatty, but the overall muscle mass is relatively small compared to bowel size and bone structure. Plus, humans are dangerous little critters. They're sort of smart - and they're vicious like hell.
Unless the eating is more figuratively understood and performed by a man to a woman or alternatively by a woman to a woman.
That is a condoned practise in the Western world :)
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Vulcan: Look up some western medical cures in the 19th century. My favourite, fresh human blood to cure epilepsy.
That, as well as many modern practices, has nothing to do with cannibalism. Humans were not specifically killed to obtain their parts and those were used not for nutrition or ritualistic purposes but for medical ones.
Plenty of medications, including orally ingested, are produced from human tussues right now - blood products, hormonal preparates, transplants, etc.
Airhead: Yes, in a steady diet maybe.
That's not a cumulative effect like mercury. In order to get a spongiform encephalopathis you only need to ingest the contaminated tissue once. I think it's found in the brain and few other organs. Steady diet of human brains increases one's chances, but even one would be enough.
Ping: It was considered acceptable in cases of shipwreck to eat the dead.
When the choice is to die of starvation? Do you believe in that situation the cultural norms still apply to be considered 'acceptable'?
Of course how "common" that practice was is arguable. Thousands of cases of cannibalism were recorded in Russia in 1920s and in Ukraine in 1930s as a result of communist land reform policies that caused widespread starvation.
miko
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And some case has been recorded in Naples in the immediate time after the flee of Germans and before the Allied came and let the food help was distribute.
A lot of people then was cooking leather from shoes in water.
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mt... ya gotta admit that slavery and canniblism by entire tribes/groups is kinda rare today. I am quite sure that if it were a group of mormons in ooota doing it that their race and location would have been in the news.
but.... it wasn't
lazs
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eating your enemy's heart makes you stronger:D
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hey, if it helps their starvation and aids problem over there, I'm all for it ...................
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Wasn't there a small force of Japanese soldiers in Borneo (?) that ate their victims for quite a while. They were cut off and had no supplies, so their CO took this decision.
Maybe its a myth, dunno.
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I have had lunch at the Alfred Packer deli.
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Originally posted by Angus
Wasn't there a small force of Japanese soldiers in Borneo (?) that ate their victims for quite a while. They were cut off and had no supplies, so their CO took this decision.
Maybe its a myth, dunno.
Isnt that from a movie? "Me and the king" or something like that? With Nick Nolte.
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stop talking about food, I'm hungry :P
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Maybe they were starving and no food was available.
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Originally posted by lazs2
mt... ya gotta admit that slavery and canniblism by entire tribes/groups is kinda rare today. I am quite sure that if it were a group of mormons in ooota doing it that their race and location would have been in the news.
but.... it wasn't
lazs
Ever heard the Donner Party described as "European Cannibals"?
Me either.
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I've heard that African Congo meat is actually a bit strong tasting... on the gamey side, and it requires a long soaking in tomato juice and meat tenderizer.
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Once again with the cultural imperialism. Just because canabilism isn't practiced in the west it automatically bad?
LMFAO:D
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Ever heard the Donner Party described as "European Cannibals"?
What is the donner party? Never heard about it/they/he/she/whatever
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or better yet ever watch the movie,,alive?,,were there plane recked on that mountain,,and they had to eat people to live<~~true storie and they were modern people,,happen in the late 1980s i beleve right?
donnor party was back in the 1800's,,they were on a wagon train going to washington state,,and they got stuck in a snowy pass for over 2 years i beleve,,maybe more,,ill have to check<~~and they pretty much were killing them selves while eating the dead,,because there aint anuff nutition too keep people alive in humans,,,even the liver and stuff aint good to eat for a extended time,,,sure it mite fill your belly,,but thats all it does,,,just makes you get by till the next day,,just wrong,,but shows in a bad deal anyone will do anything to survive,,even if its eating anothere person
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Originally posted by Airhead
The problem with eating Pygmies is that it takes so many of them to fill you up. I prefer dining on the much larger Watusis- not only can one feed an entire war party, but I think they're tastier too.
No, no. You completely forgot about the Bantu women. More flesh on the bone and not as tough. Compared to the Bantus, the Watusis aren't even fit for a Hutu!
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Originally posted by Ping
It was considered acceptable in cases of shipwreck to eat the dead. This in the western hemisphere.
ah, yes. The "Custom of the Sea".
The survivors of the whale ship Essex never really recovered, mentally.
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donnor party was back in the 1800's,,they were on a wagon train going to washington state,,and they got stuck in a snowy pass for over 2 years i beleve,,maybe more,,ill have to check<~~and they pretty much were killing them selves while eating the dead,,because there aint anuff nutition too keep people alive in humans,,,even the liver and stuff aint good to eat for a extended time,,,sure it mite fill your belly,,but thats all it does,,,just makes you get by till the next day,,just wrong,,but shows in a bad deal anyone will do anything to survive,,even if its eating anothere person
Thank you Hyena,,,,,<~~~~sometimes more entertaining than Airhead,,,,please whatever you do,,,,,never actually look up the facts,,,,,that would ruin the quality,,,,of your posts,,,,
:D
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mt.. I believe that the difference that we are searching for here is the difference between, in the case of the donner party and a few other anomolies, and africa is.... The difference between having absolutely no choice other than eating your dead or starving to death happening so very few times throught history as to be world famous as opposed to.....
killing and eating your friends, enemies and relatives as a matter of course for all of recorded time on up till present day. An acepted part of a particular region and races "culture". Slavery would fall into this category also except that all cultures practiced slavery and then quit while only a few continue with this practice in modern times. Not counting cubicles and office work in general.
lazs
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Hortlund, the Donner party were a group of settlers who were snowed in during their trek over the Sierra Nevada Mts. near Tahoe. The pass through those Mts. now is still called Donner Pass. To keep themselves from starving to death they ate grandpa.
and grandma
and uncle joe
etc.....http://www.lumarmall.com/donninfo.htm
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Why are people arguing about the fact this happend in africa, are you trying to make some racial point here mt? I see nothing wrong in calling this thread "African Canibals", first it's clear there was canibalism involed, its made clear this was an unusual case due to consireations of war tactics or intimidation and it cleary took place on the continent of Africa.
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GRUN and Lazs,
I thought my posts were pretty clearly tongue in cheek.
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Save Pygmies from extinction! Invade Africa!!!!
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I did not get that impression mt. Especially with the comment: " Ever heard the Donner Party described as "European Cannibals"? "
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Originally posted by Yeager
Save Pygmies from extinction! Invade Africa!!!!
Save africa from the French, invade France! :D
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In college speech class I did a report on the book "ALIVE" by Piers Paul Ried, I believe is the author's name. It was about the Andes survivors (a Chilean soccer team IIRC), and how they survived.
Some were able to eat the frozen meat, after warming in the sun, some couldn't keep it down. The ones who couldn't eat it, died.
(And were eaten) The survivors, some of whom were pre-med students knew enough to crack open bones for the marrow and savor organ meats like the liver for their vitamin content. After time, they began to relish the meat, with mouths watering in anticipation of their ration of it.
To prepare for this assignment, I fasted for three days while reading the book, doing research and writing my matierial to present before the class.
The questions after my presentation kept me at the podium for 20 minutes. I got an A+ on the assignment.
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Damn Gunthr, you have my mouth watering just describing it. :)
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Originally posted by Gunthr
In college speech class I did a report on the book "ALIVE" by Piers Paul Ried, I believe is the author's name. It was about the Andes survivors (a Chilean soccer team IIRC), and how they survived.
Some were able to eat the frozen meat, after warming in the sun, some couldn't keep it down. The ones who couldn't eat it, died.
(And were eaten) The survivors, some of whom were pre-med students knew enough to crack open bones for the marrow and savor organ meats like the liver for their vitamin content. After time, they began to relish the meat, with mouths watering in anticipation of their ration of it.
To prepare for this assignment, I fasted for three days while reading the book, doing research and writing my matierial to present before the class.
The questions after my presentation kept me at the podium for 20 minutes. I got an A+ on the assignment.
They were a Rugby team.
I read that book when I was 10 years old...it gave me a recurring nightmare I will never forget...gives me the hibbie gibbies just thinking about it.
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Havent you guys seen that movie? Its one of the best movies Ive ever seen (But that is mainly due to John Malcovich doing the best intro to a movie ever. He's one of my favourite actors, and in the beginning of the movie he just sits on a chair talking to the camera..."I met God on that mountain..." one of the best scenes ever. Its something about his voice, cant put my finger on it though, but he always does great monolouges in his movies.)
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Originally posted by Hortlund
What is the donner party? Never heard about it/they/he/she/whatever
PBS had a fantastic mini-series about it. I caught it and was entranced. It was done in the same style as Ken Burns' "Civil War", with photographs, voice-overs, diary readings, the works. Very gruesome stuff.
On April 15, 1846, 31 people crammed into 9 covered wagons left Springfield, Illinois, to make their way westward into the new territories being opened up in California. Their goal was to reach California before the winter snow storms closed the passages through the Sierra mountains. It was almost as if it was ordained that they should suffer.
By June, they had reached the Platte River in Nebraska, which offered 3 paths through the mountains, but their wagon train captain resigned his post and the families had to elect a new leader. There was some argument as to which trail to take and this delayed their trip, which was already beginning to fall behind schedule because of the deaths of some of the wagon train members during the march had necessitated pauses for funerals.
By late June they had arrived at Fort Laramie in southern Wyoming. Ft. Laramie has been called the "Crossroads of a Nation Moving West" because it served as the turning point for so many wagon trains as the west was opened up. At Ft. Laramie, they met up with an acquaintance of one of the men and discussed a new route through Hastings Cutoff. The acquaintance, who was coming through the cutoff and heading back east, advised them against taking that trail. The advice falls on deaf ears.
During their journey, the original company of wagons was joined by other wagons taking the same path, and a few wagoneers ended up trading their wagons for pack mules, thinking it would make for easier traveling. One of the families funding the trip was supposed to meet the wagon train but was running a week behind, causing further delay for the rest of the group. A few families left the main group and pushed westward on their own.
By early July, the main party had reach Independence Rock in Wyoming. Here they receive information that a for-hire wagon train leader will lead all comers from Fort Bridger through his pass in the mountains. A few trains led by George Donner (creating the Donner Party) elect to take the Hastings Cutoff and go to Fort Bridger. By the time they get there, the wagon-train leader had already left with 60-70 wagons in his charge. The Donner Party elects to spend a few days resting their horses and repairing their wagons. Its the end of July and the party numbers 70-plus people in 20 wagons.
They proceed through Echo Canyon, Utah, one of the most difficult portions of the trip. It takes them nearly 2 weeks to cover a few hundred miles. Their horses exhausted, the group stops and sends a few men up ahead to try and catch the for-hire leader (James Hastings). They find him on the south shore of the Great Salt Lake and he advises them to not follow him through the pass, based on their slow progress and distance behind his wagon train. He helps them plot a new course on a map and the men return, but Hastings' direction is based on the assumption that they can leave with a minimum of delay. They don't. Remember, this is a group being led by a well-intentioned amateur rather than an experienced wagon-train master.
The Donner Party makes its way through the Wasatch mountains and enters Salt Lake Valley, where one of their members dies from illness. Another funeral, more lost time. By September, they are only on the edge of the Great Salt Lake Desert, where they cut grass and prepare for the journey across the salt flats. The Salt Lake Desert is both beautiful and deadly, with quicksand-like ponds that are invisible until you step in one. The wagon train is delayed as wheels get caught in salt ponds.
After completing the desert crossing, they realize that they are running low on food, but good luck is on their side and they manage to follow Hastings' tracks into Nevada. By October, 1846, they begin their ascent into the Sierra Mountains.
Broken axels, marauding bandits, deaths, and incompentence harrow the progress of the Donner Party and the train splits into two groups. By the end of October snow has begun to clog the passes. The larger group is unable to get through the mountains and elects to camp on the far side of a lake where a cabin had been built by previous travelers. The party builds two more and waits for the "early snow" to thaw so that they can make the pass and descend into California - 60 people in two cabins. The smaller party, 21 people with George Donner, is a few miles behind and living in hastily-built structures made of quilts and cloth.
By November, the group has come to the realization that the snow isn't going to thaw and that they will be stuck there. Storms and predators kill or drive off most of their cattle. Hunting is unproductive. A group of 17 people comprised of men, women, and children build snowshoes to try and make an escape on foot. A couple turn back early, but the rest press on. A snow blizzard catches them and four perish from exposure. With no food and no hope for escape, the snowshoers resort to cannibalism, and when that runs out, they resort to murder.
In mid-January, 8 of the 15 snowshoers reach safety. News of their plight reaches San Francisco and rescue parties are arranged. By mid-February, the first rescue team reaches the trapped Donner party. 11 members have died and the others are near death, having had no food and minimum shelter. The first rescue party leaves with a few Donner Party refugees, and a few die on the way down the mountain. A second rescue party passes them going the other way and a father, leading the 2nd rescue effort, is reunited with his family. By the time the 2nd rescue team reaches the Donner Party camp, the Donner Party victims have resorted to cannibalism. This 2nd team leaves with a few more starved victims, and a few of these don't survive the trip. A 3rd rescue team reaches the area now known as "Starved Camp" and leaves with 4 more victims. The others are too weak to move.
Additional attempts to reach the poor sufferers are thwarted by snow drifts and blizzards, and by the time the last rescue attempt is made in April, only 1 person is still alive. A month later, a party led by General Stephen Kearney reach the camp and is horrified at what they see. A few Mormons in the entourage are dispatched to burn the bodies in one of the cabins.
A very good map of the voyage is available at http://members.aol.com/DanMRosen/donner/maps.htm
If anyone goes to the Donner Memorial Park, take a look at the 12-foot high tree stumps and read passages from the diary. It'll shake you to the core.
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Havent you guys seen that movie? Its one of the best movies Ive ever seen (But that is mainly due to John Malcovich doing the best intro to a movie ever. He's one of my favourite actors, and in the beginning of the movie he just sits on a chair talking to the camera..."I met God on that mountain..." one of the best scenes ever. Its something about his voice, cant put my finger on it though, but he always does great monolouges in his movies.)- Hortlund
I did see the movie, Steve, now that I think of it. I realize now that some of the images I have in my mind of it are actually from the movie. As I recall, I kept comparing the book to the movie as I watched it... and the movie couldn't be as rich as the book, but yes it was very good. :) I need to re-watch it...
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Originally posted by Hortlund
And yeah, if we had a band of rebels in Sweden murdering people , then cooking them and eating them, you are damn right I would call them Swedish cannibals. We dont have any of those however.
So, what you're saying is that the whole affair makes you want to shag like mad, right?