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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Gunthr on January 30, 2003, 11:48:24 AM
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I thought this wonderfully written letter from the leaders of 8 European nations woud be of some interest:
Dated Jan. 30, 2003, From Times Online, England:
Europe and America must stand united
THE real bond between the United States and Europe is the values we share: democracy, individual freedom, human rights and the Rule of Law. These values crossed the Atlantic with those who sailed from Europe to help create the USA. Today they are under greater threat than ever.
The attacks of 11 September showed just how far terrorists — the enemies of our common values — are prepared to go to destroy them. Those outrages were an attack on all of us. In standing firm in defence of these principles, the governments and people of the United States and Europe have amply demonstrated the strength of their convictions. Today more than ever, the transatlantic bond is a guarantee of our freedom.
We in Europe have a relationship with the United States which has stood the test of time. Thanks in large part to American bravery, generosity and far-sightedness, Europe was set free from the two forms of tyranny that devastated our continent in the 20th century: Nazism and Communism. Thanks, too, to the continued cooperation between Europe and the United States we have managed to guarantee peace and freedom on our continent. The transatlantic relationship must not become a casualty of the current Iraqi regime’s persistent attempts to threaten world security.
In today’s world, more than ever before, it is vital that we preserve that unity and cohesion. We know that success in the day-to-day battle against terrorism and the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction demands unwavering determination and firm international cohesion on the part of all countries for whom freedom is precious.
The Iraqi regime and its weapons of mass destruction represent a clear threat to world security. This danger has been explicitly recognised by the United Nations. All of us are bound by Security Council Resolution 1441, which was adopted unanimously. We Europeans have since reiterated our backing for Resolution 1441, our wish to pursue the UN route and our support for the Security Council, at the Prague Nato Summit and the Copenhagen European Council.
In doing so, we sent a clear, firm and unequivocal message that we would rid the world of the danger posed by Saddam Hussein’s weapons of mass destruction. We must remain united in insisting that his regime is disarmed. The solidarity, cohesion and determination of the international community are our best hope of achieving this peacefully. Our strength lies in unity.
The combination of weapons of mass destruction and terrorism is a threat of incalculable consequences. It is one at which all of us should feel concerned. Resolution 1441 is Saddam Hussein’s last chance to disarm using peaceful means. The opportunity to avoid greater confrontation rests with him. Sadly this week the UN weapons inspectors have confirmed that his long-established pattern of deception, denial and non-compliance with UN Security Council resolutions is continuing.
Europe has no quarrel with the Iraqi people. Indeed, they are the first victims of Iraq’s current brutal regime. Our goal is to safeguard world peace and security by ensuring that this regime gives up its weapons of mass destruction. Our governments have a common responsibility to face this threat. Failure to do so would be nothing less than negligent to our own citizens and to the wider world.
The United Nations Charter charges the Security Council with the task of preserving international peace and security. To do so, the Security Council must maintain its credibility by ensuring full compliance with its resolutions. We cannot allow a dictator to systematically violate those Resolutions. If they are not complied with, the Security Council will lose its credibility and world peace will suffer as a result.
We are confident that the Security Council will face up to its responsibilities.
José María Aznar, Spain
José Manuel Durão Barroso, Portugal
Silvio Berlusconi, Italy
Tony Blair, United Kingdom
Václav Havel, Czech Republic
Peter Medgyessy, Hungary
Leszek Miller, Poland
Anders Fogh Rasmussen, Denmark
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WOW very interesting, especially the countries that signe It. A (S) to those countries. A unexpected list.
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Originally posted by Gunthr
José María Aznar, Spain
Moron nº 1 of the country. Most of people in Spain are against the war.
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I agree. Dumb moron.
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I bet you two thought Franco was a "genius".
WTG, Aznar................
Cabby
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Originally posted by Gunthr
These values crossed the Atlantic with those who sailed from Europe to help create the USA.
ROTFL!!
They didn't sail over to help create the USA. They sailed over because they didn't like their life in Europe. Also, they didn't "help" to create it, as in helping the real US people to create the USA, they DID create the USA.
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"They sailed over because they didn't like their life in Europe. "
Can you blame them?? Yep, these were the "smart" Euros........
C.
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Run away from your problems instead of facing them. Whiners ;)
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Originally posted by Cabby44
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"They sailed over because they didn't like their life in Europe. "
Can you blame them?? Yep, these were the "smart" Euros........
C.
As I see some left almost all their brain cells during the trip ...
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ROTFL!!
They didn't sail over to help create the USA. They sailed over because they didn't like their life in Europe. Also, they didn't "help" to create it, as in helping the real US people to create the USA, they DID create the USA.
Shows how ignorant you are, once again. (And I'm not generalizing you as a nation now, just this individual and many others posting similar comments)
America was found because the europeans tried to find a faster route to purchase Indian spices and merchandise. That in fact was the reason why the American original people were falsely called Indians. It didn't take them soon untill they realised they'd found a new continent with endless possibilities to rape and blunder, especially with the natives welcoming them openhandedly.
Due to the religious aspirations of the time, the 'savages' had to be transformed, or killed if they didn't comply. The gold was nice, too. The Spanish church saw the new continent as a challenge, and that IMO is the biggest reason why the natives were treated in such a horrible way.
So through a huge genocide and landgrab, your nation was formed. As a result of a shopping trip gone wrong.
'helping the real US people to create the USA, they DID create the USA.'
You really think the native americans are the core of your society originally? Think again. Or, as I suspect, you won't be capable of such an effort.
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OUR Euro-immigrants just had to go back and bail YOUR Euros out of frequent wars, economic disaster, etc., etc. OUR Euros, combined with immigrants from everywhere else in the "Old World", have built the greatest nation the world has ever seen.
Yeah, they "left all of their brain cells during the trip" all right. They left their recessive "idiot" brain cells right where they belong. Kotka's idiotic post is proof-positive................
C.
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Cabby, who is the dumb one here? :)
You make me laugh. Really.
Edit: I'm not denying your country has grown up to be the wealthiest nation in the world. It's a great country.
However that doesn't change the facts in any way. You're just showing your poor education there Cabby.
Did you ever finish highschool cab?
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Uh cabby. you are talking out of yer ass. If anything, Aznar is the heir of Franco's regime just with a somewhat civilized coating (you don't even need to scratch too much), even many of his ministers have been sons/relatives of Franco's or even straight from dictatorship (check about Manuel Fraga). We have even jokes about that.
He was close to the falangist (fascist) party while the rest of the politic class were exiled, in jail, prosecuted etc...
On top of that he's as much of a moron as your own president. Dumb and dumber.
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I graduated High School during a time when that actually MEANT something. And my High School stressed education and required competence in order to matriculate. Politically Correct "thinking", "Self Esteem", "Outcome-Based Education", and Leftist- Socialist Revisionism were not part of the process.
Your patronizing attempt to impune my education is pathetic. Sorry, "No Sale"...............
C.
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Originally posted by ccvi
Run away from your problems instead of facing them. Whiners ;)
Ya...that pretty much sums up Europe today;)
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Lol, they dun made Cabby whip out the thesaurus! Don’t matriculate too often crabby, you’ll go blind.
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Ok Cabby, I guess you already forgot the lessons given at the history classes then. It's quite understandable if you finished it so long time ago.
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Aznar's daddy was a bureaucrat under Franco. BFD. Aznar is well-educated, a Conservative, a devout Catholic, he is not "telegenic"(again, BFD), and is considered to possess "above-average intelligence". Not to mention he defeated an incompetent Socialist government and was re-elected. In FREE elections.
No wonder you consider him "dumb"............
C.
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Creamo:
AFAIK, the "Thesaurus" is extinct..........
C.
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EUROPE IS UR DADDY !!
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The Spanish Catholics & Rights respect of free elections is rather well documented, Cabby..I wouldnt go there :)
Daff
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Btw Cabby, of which origin is your family?
You talk about 'our euros' so you can't be rooted to europe. Are you hispanic, native american or african american or some other origin?
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ROTFLBTC!
mrsid2, you understood and you failed to understand at the same time. You did quite well understanding what the USA really is. But you failed completely to understand my post.
Originally posted by mrsid2
So through a huge genocide and landgrab, your nation was formed. As a result of a shopping trip gone wrong.
'helping the real US people to create the USA, they DID create the USA.'
You really think the native americans are the core of your society originally? Think again. Or, as I suspect, you won't be capable of such an effort.
Please don't blame me for benefitting from my ancestors conquering land. I'm not from the USA.
Now to the two lines of my last post. I think it was a masterpiece of abstraction, probably not understandable by the small minded reader. I'm sorry I wasted it on the message board of an online game.
I was expressing that an interpretation of "those who sailed from Europe to help create the USA" from the letter fails miserably in at least two points.
"to help to create" as a reason for sailing over is wrong, as you repeated very wordy. Helping others to create the USA is also wrong, because that would imply that there are others to be helped. Not explicitly denying their existance was a side blow to those US americans believing they're a nation, where beeing US american is archived by being born there by US americans.
Interesting how oppionions can be similar and still lead to an argument ;)
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I read your post as 'our country is where all the smart euros escaped to live to.' It seems I read it wrong. The point I wanted to correct was that originally the events that lead to the creation of USA were merely an effort to find a fast (and safer) logistic route to India.
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Originally posted by Cabby44
Aznar's daddy was a bureaucrat under Franco. BFD. Aznar is well-educated, a Conservative, a devout Catholic
Devout Catholic...he he...the problem with devouts catholics like a lot of secretarys-ministers(members of sect Opus Dei) of Spanish government is that they want to become to all in Catholic.
Not to mention he defeated an incompetent Socialist government and was re-elected. In FREE elections.
After 13 years of Socialist government in free elections. If your you believe that Spain was same in 1982 that in 1996, you are mistaken.
For USA people: PSOE (Partido SOCIALIST Obrero Español) is Democrats and PP(Partido Popular) is Republicans.
Y bueno como supongo que tu sabes español decirte que ¿por qué tenemos que apoyar a EEUU, si ellos pasaron de nosotros olimpicamente cuando el asunto de isla Perejil?. Puedes añadirle que muchos nos cuestionamos también porque EEUU (greatest nation the world has ever seen) colaboró con un regimen NAZI-Catholic como el de Franco durante 30 años. Aquí somos muchos los que creemos que no le debemos nada a EEUU.
Saludos.
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Whats most interesting is who DID NOT sign the friggin thing. I think maybe it is time we cut off the ingrates from the milch cow and see how well they fare in the future. Especially the French, they are truly the scum of Europe.
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How sad it is that i read that statement which was frankly quite good to see only to have it followed up by a flurry of annoyingly small minded statements from people in here.pretty sad to see.
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I really think we need a new forum on this board. Should be called American Envy/Death to America/All Americans are Stupid or something like that, you get the idea.
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Bodhi the statement was against the official EU stand, which was to remain neutral untill there was solid proof Iraq doesn't comply with the UN resolution.
It wasn't really appreciated move.
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you forget the #1 motivation of all our governments MONEY! they signed it because they have nothing to lose, while the other countrys of europe have something to lose. MONEY makes the world go around.
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And btw: lol AkIron!
I don't find any clearly anti-american posts on this board. Do you?
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Originally posted by MaxPower
And btw: lol AkIron!
I don't find any clearly anti-american posts on this board. Do you?
I do. Unfortunately, the most vocal seem to be Americans themselves.
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Originally posted by AKIron
I really think we need a new forum on this board. Should be called American Envy/Death to America/All Americans are Stupid or something like that, you get the idea.
Im partial to "The Fourth Reich" myself.
Isnt this fun?
PS: Bush is responsible for Columbia. :rolleyes: