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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: wetrat on January 30, 2003, 06:48:02 PM
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This past tour I decided to make a little money and get a rank in the top 15. For the first week or so I had fun trying to keep #2, and logged somewhere around 30 hours in that week alone. And then it hit me; score whoring SUCKS. In past tours, every time I got shot down it wouldn't bother me much, but by christ.. it was REALLY aggrivating having it affect my fighter score so much. In fact, every time I did something wrong, I felt like putting my hand through the drywall. AH had become something more than a game to me; It felt more like a job.
Since that first week of the tour, I've logged a mere 10 hours, and I'll finish this tour with 40 hours total. Some of you may say 40 hours is alot, but since I started playing AH in September, I've logged at least 100 hours a tour. My question is to anyone who has tried to keep a low rank: Do you actually have FUN?
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I tried to keep my rank under 1000 last tour. My wife moved to her mother's place and one of our neighbours sold their house. My 2.5 yr old son now has a permanent stutter. And the cat has vanished.
palef
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I try to keep my rank over 1500, usually by never getting into a ground vehicle, never manning a field gun, never hopping into a PT Boat, and never flying a bomber.
I find that not doing the things that I find boring and lame goes a long way toward making me enjoy myself in Aces High.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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I used to fly ETO2 in AW and ranked in the top ten often, and made top fighter 3 times. When bigpac game out with the full plane set I went crazy stayed top fighter for about 2/3 of the 2nd camp before it dawned on me. Hey!, this isn't fun, it's work. So I met a girl, got laid more often, had more fun and got some sun on occasion. That was in 97, or 98 I am thinking. Since then it's fly when I can, and keep it fun. Screw the points. I get shot down by the worst, and shoot down the best. It's all part of the game, and now I am having a blast. Ranky schpanky, here's a hanky!
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Ahh wetrat i know what you mean... During my score whoring month i went thru that period of dipression, where if i die to something stupid i would get upset..
After that month i went out and furballed the whole night, and died almost every time i upped.. But even after that month of score whoring i still find fun in rolling a box of B17's and heading to an HQ for fun. Whoring every month day in and day out is not fun, and i will probebly never try it again.
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Originally posted by wetrat
... My question is to anyone who has tried to keep a low rank: Do you actually have FUN?
Chasing the really high ranks is really really really dull IMHO.
Been where you are start of tour 34. Took 2 weeks for me to start enjoying myself again.
I am managing to enjoy myself this tour though, even chasing the #15 spot (no point going any higher). I think moderation is the key. I'm flying how I want to fly but every now and again I'll see a good opportunity to bump one area or another of my stats in a short time and I'll take it. Stuff like logging on early morning when there a very few people on and taking a couple of VH bases on Pizza by yourself. It takes 10 minutes, you stand a good chance of success and bumps your score. Then you can spend the rest of your time enjoying yourself :)
Gatso
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Originally posted by palef
I tried to keep my rank under 1000 last tour. My wife moved to her mother's place and one of our neighbours sold their house. My 2.5 yr old son now has a permanent stutter. And the cat has vanished.
palef
roflmfao :)
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Isn't that a country song?
Originally posted by palef
I tried to keep my rank under 1000 last tour. My wife moved to her mother's place and one of our neighbours sold their house. My 2.5 yr old son now has a permanent stutter. And the cat has vanished.
palef
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Every once and a while I start off the tour with a bang. I think, "Hey, I have a clean slate with zero deaths... lets try to keep it that way." I get a decent rank for maybe the first week. If it extends anything beyond a week I get my hopes up and try to continue it. After 2 weeks it gets boooooring and extremely aggravating.
I know exactly what you mean wetrat. I'd get pissed after being shot down! The only reason I was shot down is because I made a mistake... It sure isnt fun when ya take it out on the wrong people (inside and outside of AH!) :p (oops). I won't let that happen again.
Score whoring ain't for me. Play the game, have fun, but geez, use that extra time logged and get a 2nd job if you want that $50 bucks.
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I'm with Leviathan... I don't find any enjoyment out of manning a tank, flak or a boat and I think my AH ranking is regularly above 2,000. The most I use my score for is to check out of curiousity and I can measure whether that was a good night or a bad night for me. I've also decided to start flying perk planes until I get my perks down to 1,500. Don't you think I'll be suicidal about it, but I am going to check these aircraft out and get embroiled in a few fights and mostly likely lose a few of them, but it's not really going to bother me. That danged 262 is hard to hit anything with!
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I started the tour doing whatever I wanted. I found that I liked that and ended the tour doing whatever I wanted.
What is this "score" thing I keep hearing about?
The great irony of it all... now that HTC is offering money... it really is being a "Score potato".
MiniD
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
I try to keep my rank over 1500, usually by never getting into a ground vehicle, never manning a field gun, never hopping into a PT Boat, and never flying a bomber.
I find that not doing the things that I find boring and lame goes a long way toward making me enjoy myself in Aces High.
-- Todd/Leviathn
That's the gameplan for February... I might dweeb around in osties once in a while tho ;o
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wetrat exactly what u said. Hunting for score is Mega F***.
It spoils all ur fun. For me this is the last and only Tour where I'm flying for Score.
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I try as hard as I can to stay under the top 100 mark.
Taking off from vulched fields usually does the trick, and Bishop vulchers are never in short supply... :D
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Yer all dweebs the whole lot of ya one and all. Yer going to die thats a given so dont let it bother ye. Ye cant escape it. Why ye think it bothers ye? It bothers more then jest you. Thats why the wagger ye just kilt cums up and chases ye again cus hes pist.
Chasing rank doesnt take the fun away far from it! Deja dont think ye fooled anyone either we all know yer aware of score. Lev the guns dont count for rank anyway so whats it matter?
I do a variety of things to have fun in the game and rank happens. What ye fail to realize is that everything that adds up to rank also adds up to dooty. Yer more able to do yer dooty if ye bomb factories and drive vehicles. A fighter cant capture a field and the more ye ask someone else to do the dooty the more thell see you dont do yers. If ye dont enjoy it dont do it but dont wine eether cus nun want to hear it.
Cant take failure yer dweebs!
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Hey wetrat,
For a goof I tried to stay in the top 10 for the month. Don't ask me why - I dunno. It so wrecked my enjoyment of AH that I had to take a couple of months off.
Just an aside...
I was firmly planted in the top 10, and it was a day until the calendar rolled over into the next tour. But alas, I hooked up with the FDB on vox and did some "missions" with them. Spent the entire eve getting so completely pasted... prolly knocked me well into the 500-1000 range...
HiTech ended up putting the finishing touch on me that night...
That was a hoot.
My score whoring wasn't.
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Consider the money that you are losing by trying to win that 34 bucks.
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At one stage I use to worry about overall score and trying to get in the top 25 but I quickly got bored with that and now I don't even bother thinking about ranks.
Plus come next tour everyone forgets previous tours scores and who cares anyway, it's just a game.
Now I just fly for fun and do what I enjoy. Help out fellow countrymen/women (flossy) where I can and hopefully put up a decent fight from time to time. :-)
...-Gixer
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Dear GPreddy,
After reading your post I realize how pathetic my life is. I realize I am not paying attention to my duties, and I realize I'm a clueless loser.
I recognize the superior flying skills of score wh... ...of wise and smart superior fliers who understood and foresaw clearly that the very nature of fun in AH is score and rank.
I confess I am a dweeb and I confess I chase the vulch.......... the wise and smart superior flyer who just shoot me down to his very ack if needed, and I confess I usually kill him before he lands...If I manage to get airborne, that is :D
I admit something must be broken inside my head, as I am totally unable to see the fun where the oh so superior bunch of I'm-the-number-one-cause-rank-ladder-say-so pilots does. Bearing in mind rank, they are obviously right, and I'm blatantly wrong.
I promise (where is that dang "crossed-fingers" smiley?) I will drop beer from my online combat experience, as it makes my judgment slower and dumber, and that detracts the fun, as I'm killed more often under the hands of the sober I-fly-for-rank pilots.
I am shocked that you guys-over-the-rest-cause-you-can-bag-more-kills-and-rank-over-us don't pay attention to our whines. I thought your superior skills enticed you to a superior sensibility about us, your inferiors. So sad about this that I'm seriously considering attending group therapy to overcome my depression. Maybe FDB could help here. BTW, you might consider to heighten your reading skills to the level of your flying ones, and so discern the statement of certain facts and experiences in first person and a question, from a whine.
I can't take failure easily ... In RL, that is. I still fail to see failure in AH, whatsoever, except the failure in having fun. Call me an AH unadapted. And book me for yer next "Fly for rank and having fun are not opposite terms" seminar. I'm sure you will have room enough. Plenty. :D
Cheers,
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DMF... why... that's just...just.... selfish!
lazs
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I don't know about anyone else, but this kid signed on for a flight sim, not a boat floatin bus drivin kinda thingie.
Now it's cool that HTC implemented these aspects of WW2...choice is a good thing...I just can't stand doin it if it's not in the air and that in of itself leaves me out of the scoring race.
To those who pursue rank...more power to ya...the point for all of us is to have fun like children...at least that's what I think:)
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Originally posted by GPreddy
Lev the guns dont count for rank anyway so whats it matter?
Because I don't like hopping into field guns when I could be flying a fighter plane?
-- Todd/Leviathn
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One thing I have noticed..You are about 200 times more likley to get a melt down on the BBS or channel one from someone who is in the top 10 then any other identifiable sub group of players.
Not a coincence I think.
Supprisingly Gpreddy-voss is being a little bit dishonest in his post..although I am sure that is how he sees himself.
To be ranked where he is, he constantly has his score computer going in his head. If anything that he is presented with risks his score..he doesnt do it. Period. Every time. There is no other way to maintain such a score. Try to maintain that for 200 hours of playing in a month and you'll know what kind of focused person he must be. Then try to delude yourself and everyone else into thinking it just happens when your a team player and you will know what a pathalogical lier he is..
BUT...its a game..and he is great at it.
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I constantly check my k/d ratio, and as soon as it creeps over 1.0 I start upping capped fields...
Straightens that watermelon right out.
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I tried doing well but I really didn't like points dictating to me what I should be flying or driving or whatever..
I'd rather just do those as the mood strikes.
So I ended up not flying for a while now because of sudden burnout.
when I get back I'll prolly do more CT when folks are in there and of course the TOD's and stuff but game play in the MA has changed just like that one guy said it did. more kill stealing gang banging base taking ...it seems to be either all or nothing, no one wants to go out in a small group of say 2,4,6 people..it's usually 10,15,20 attacking a base with like 3 doods who keep upping bombers hoping to ack star the attackers down..not much fun in that.
I went into the CT a little bit before I took a break and was flying the stuka killing machine against hurri's and spits and altho I got ripped a little for doing it , I was having fun and I wasn't having much of that in the MA.
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Try hunting GV's in a M8 - totally wrecks your score. But, once you get over car wrecking yourself every other sortie, it is great fun. Zipping up and taking out unsuspecting GV's ( especially Ostwinds :) ) on the fly is almost like flying a fighter. You have to practice good SA, the works -it's just more 2 dimensional (except now GV's can climb so you can be a bit creative in alt too) Silly stuff like that puts the fun back in the game for me.
edit: Do M8 in defense - it is not much fun to attack with as you can't be nearly as sneaky. Defenders are waiting on you and hear you coming.
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Originally posted by Pongo
If anything that he is presented with risks his score..he doesnt do it. Period. Every time. There is no other way to maintain such a score.
I think there are probably a few dozen Bishops that would disagree with that. The guys with the busted track ten feet off an enemy runway that I resupplied for instance. Or just ten minutes ago diving into a town surrounded by six flacks just to kill the m3 even though it meant certain death. Yeah YOU wouldnt do it but I would have and will again.
The FACT is that success wins over failure. If you succeed more then you fail then you score and therefore rank. If you fail and dont succeed you dont score well. If you dont try you cant do either and youll never learn how.
Understanding how all elements of the game work together and in opposition will help you succeed and help your team succeed. If you dont care about the other elements or how your team does then it doesnt matter what you do. Yes there are a lot of non-team players.
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resupply should not have a score penalty
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Originally posted by gatso
Stuff like logging on early morning
I enjoy flying in the early morning before work - much more 1:1 fighting. Again terrible for your score, but alot more fun to land 2 nice battles, than 6 vulches IMHO..
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
I try to keep my rank over 1500, usually by never getting into a ground vehicle, never manning a field gun, never hopping into a PT Boat, and never flying a bomber.
I find that not doing the things that I find boring and lame goes a long way toward making me enjoy myself in Aces High.
-- Todd/Leviathn
We actually tried to figure out why they have PT boats. We looked over the map and found that the PT boat can be useful. We spawned ahead of the CV, there was a spawn point from our port that put you near a field to the north(in enemy hands). We managed to destroy the town and de-ack the field(and some fuel and such) from the shoreline. The rockets and cannons pack a punch. It was alot of fun.
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I start EVERY tour with the thought to do well and not die..
With EVERY tour going back 4 years by the time I get to 20 sorties I'm either doin so bad I fogitabotit... or if I'm doing good, stop havin fun because of the stress...
What I SHOULD do is start out the new tour with the purpose of doubling my shooting percentage..
Come to think of it, it's the 31'st.
It's a plan.
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Originally posted by GPreddy
I think there are probably a few dozen Bishops that would disagree with that. The guys with the busted track ten feet off an enemy runway that I resupplied for instance. Or just ten minutes ago diving into a town surrounded by six flacks just to kill the m3 even though it meant certain death. Yeah YOU wouldnt do it but I would have and will again.
The FACT is that success wins over failure. If you succeed more then you fail then you score and therefore rank. If you fail and dont succeed you dont score well. If you dont try you cant do either and youll never learn how.
Understanding how all elements of the game work together and in opposition will help you succeed and help your team succeed. If you dont care about the other elements or how your team does then it doesnt matter what you do. Yes there are a lot of non-team players.
sure bud..
Ill stand by my original post.
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Wow,, after all these months of playing. I thought having a K/D score BELOW 1 meant your the best pilot. BOY, got to stop these sucide runs into the mountain side.
:)
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Originally posted by GPreddy
The FACT is that success wins over failure. If you succeed more then you fail then you score and therefore rank. If you fail and dont succeed you dont score well. If you dont try you cant do either and youll never learn how.
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Scoring is so easy in this game.
All you have to do is rtb and hit your shots.
its TOOOOOOOO easy to be ranked good.
All you have to do is fly like a sissy. Go where kills are easy.
Run when u should
Rev when backup comes, hide in ack when theres a present threat. Milkrun buffs over non defended citys where u sure to get
more than one hit for your eggs. Defending CV is the easiest way to score potato in the game.
Who wants to learn to be a wuss?
If you call that being successful then I guess its correct. Its bores me past death and flying to rank bores me more.
I doubt I fly AH2 for this reason, I fly for the dogfight.
Btw? most yer rank guys suck in a dogfight.
Let me see, shall I hit reply?
Yuppers
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Originally posted by GPreddy
Yer all dweebs the whole lot of ya one and all. Yer going to die thats a given so dont let it bother ye. Ye cant escape it. Why ye think it bothers ye? It bothers more then jest you. Thats why the wagger ye just kilt cums up and chases ye again cus hes pist.
Chasing rank doesnt take the fun away far from it! Deja dont think ye fooled anyone either we all know yer aware of score. Lev the guns dont count for rank anyway so whats it matter?
I do a variety of things to have fun in the game and rank happens. What ye fail to realize is that everything that adds up to rank also adds up to dooty. Yer more able to do yer dooty if ye bomb factories and drive vehicles. A fighter cant capture a field and the more ye ask someone else to do the dooty the more thell see you dont do yers. If ye dont enjoy it dont do it but dont wine eether cus nun want to hear it.
Cant take failure yer dweebs!
LOL! good post. The one of the many things I like about this game is that you are scored just as much if not more for driving a goon, as you are for landing kills in a fighter. I have never seen a more comprehensive system for rank in a flight sim.
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Originally posted by GPreddy
I do a variety of things to have fun in the game and rank happens.
Cant take failure yer dweebs!
Lol! Rank does not just happen. You have to pursue it.
Maybe there are some here who think you are so good your rank just happens cause yer a god.
But many of us know better.
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Voss is an embarrassment to ordinary score potatos like myself. It sounds as if he actually believes that his rank is proof that he is “the best” or something. I’ve never seen someone so riveted on proving to everyone on the BB, channel 1, and the score pages that he is a flight sim god. It’s like Pee-Wee-Herman with Muhammad Allie’s attitude.
Its one thing to play around with the score system, it’s another to let it go to your head.
Voss must look at every thread and think,
"Folks just haven't begun to worship me like I worship myself. Maybe I can inform them of how amazingly great I am in this thread by telling them about my fantastic exploits. No one will recognize that I'm really just bragging because I'll show some kind of a distant connection to the topic… I know that if I just keep telling folks what awesome skills I have, they will begin to worship me… Then I'll start a cult! I'll have tons of followers… Then I'll start my own flight sim… And they can back me! That's the ticket!"
eskimo
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ahh i knew we would see Mr Preddy...err The Milk Man...(just kidding-dont get me kiked off....again)....mooooooooooo
anyways i have 1 thing to say..ok 2 things...
Yes score whoring is wak and boring....No one here can say you always wanted to fly bak after you have bomed a deep target,,,or a fighter all the way back...(edited..Boring and WAK for 98% of the pilots)
If you hit a city (jabo)and it needed m3's...I would auger....But i dont care about "rank"
Preddys quote....The FACT is that success wins over failure.
Well roadkill.....
I take it succes means landing to you or getting the most points?.....I have many many times repaeadly got up from a capped base..been vulched 4-5-6 + times...I will get up and out manuever theses guys and I do kill there goon....I can hear it now..( we should have limited lives)..Piss off:D
Getting the MOST points you can has no positive's for your country--Landing does not do one thing for advancement of your country.,..NOT 1 thing......
So with that..I am succesful in saving our counrty from loseing another base......For the Greater Cause of the Marines and the Knights!!! Semper Fi
I know the "score potatos"..would not do this..they cant....defintly not on a consistent basis..cause it would wreck there score...
So the 1 or at most2 times that peopl like "preddy "..have "risked all to kill" an M3... is laffable...seriuosly..arent you guys laffing..never mind I know you are.....
anyways..You know and no ones can say different -they are either lying to us or themselves...That there are times when augering and getting a new ride would be much more enjoyable...well i guess if you dont have any other hobbies-friends-family...Im wrong...
Salute
Love BiGB
mooooooooooooooooooo....
moooooo.....
I hear the Blender now.....Milk Shakes any1???
hehehe
P.S. I may need to retract anything i said that will get me in trouble...F.O.Y.P.O.S's
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I have never seen a more comprehensive system for rank in a flight sim.
I agree. I see at a design for the average player to do well with study of what's required and acting on it.
As a measure of who is good and who isn't, not.
Everyone knows who is good around here if you spend the time.
Being ranked "may" but in the majority of cases have nothing to do with it.
The best pilot I've ever seen in any sim anywhere is currently ranked here at 2859.
There is a small group of pilots here that "are" the best. Anyone spending time here and flying and dying knows who they are.
Something shared amongst them is never making a reference to it, they just fly and die and have fun.
That's refreshing, and not reserved to this game only.
Getting all puffed up about how good one is reminds me of my old days of bodybuilding a long long time ago.
The little guys talked..dressed, and postured for the rest in the gym...jeez they grunted and groaned and sweated...
The big guys..
...just were.
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Originally posted by eskimo2
Voss is an embarrassment to ordinary score potatos like myself. It sounds as if he actually believes that his rank is proof that he is “the best” or something. I’ve never seen someone so riveted on proving to everyone on the BB, channel 1, and the score pages that he is a flight sim god. It’s like Pee-Wee-Herman with Muhammad Allie’s attitude.
Its one thing to play around with the score system, it’s another to let it go to your head.
Ditto.
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What is Voss's rank? I don't see him listed. Don't matter to me I can't fly over 160+ hours a tour.
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I believe Voss = GPreddy.
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Originally posted by poopster
I start EVERY tour with the thought to do well and not die..
With EVERY tour going back 4 years by the time I get to 20 sorties I'm either doin so bad I fogitabotit... or if I'm doing good, stop havin fun because of the stress...
What I SHOULD do is start out the new tour with the purpose of doubling my shooting percentage..
Come to think of it, it's the 31'st.
It's a plan.
Double my % and you can have the $50 I'm gonna win :)
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Originally posted by X2Lee
Btw? most yer rank guys suck in a dogfight.
I tend to disagree with that. While I'm sure some of the guys who get in the top15 do suck 1v1, none that I've encountered do. In fact, every person who was in the top15 last tour that I've dueled is very good (fester, heinkel, agjv44, wldthing, Owl). And guaging myself by how I do against Urchin, I'm not too bad.
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The simple truth is that the top ranking players are simply the best at playing the game. I guess that makes it fun for them. I would like to among the top scorers but have a way to go yet. But meanwhile I have most fun doing my bit for my country in missions even though I invariably die for it. But then that's my personality I like to be part of something bigger. I'm a natural born marine type, semper fi and all that. Never had the opportunity in real life so this will have to do. I'm ridiculously loyal to the bishops even though I didn't pick them as my country. There is a parallel there in real life in that we cannot choose where we are born but we love our country all the same, good bad or indifferent. Doing our bit for chess piece and country is what rings our bell.
There is another parallel with real life in that many but by no means all aces were loners and pursued the job with a zeal bordering on obsession. Ordinary mortals can't hack the constant pursuit of the prize and fall by the wayside.
I won't criticize the high ranked players although I do love to shoot them down. I missed an easy kill on the 4th ranked player the other night, overshot him at mach 4. But he still got me with only a few cannon shells. I'm still seething at that!
This may not be real life but real people inhabit this virtual world with all their faults and failings. We bring that to everything we do.
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Good post Cpxxx.
Being a Bishop I can ask you..
Have they learned to speak in complete sentences yet ??
I did a brief stint when I first signed on and all the mumbling and blah blah robaannophh stuff was real tough to understand..
When it started being put out in CAPS..
I had to leave..
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I think it is very appropriate that a member of the MAW replied like that to Vosses self delusion. The truth of this game is just like the truth of WW2. Attrition. The MAW shows up with a whole lot of guys that will kiss thier individual scores goodbye for the objective that has been set by the mission builder and they are VERY VERY VERY hard to stop. Their achievments are not shown on the score page but in the resets they force on the other countries.
To Voss-Gpreddy that is so foreign that he doesnt even know that hes not a team player.
But he is of course a score potato. Which is not bad. Its just what he is.
I myself am more like him then the Maw. But I love to have the
MAW in the game to bring that big wave on..now that it makes it easier to have perk rides to fight with especially.
I could do without Voss though...
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Some have learned to talk Poopster but there are plenty who need elocution lessons. Come back, join us you'll love being on the winning side all the time. :D
Agreed Pongo the mission is the thing. I love it on those big missions when the sky is filled with 'our' aeroplanes sweeping down on some unsuspecting airfield. Sure I rarely get kills on those missions but the sense of accomplishment is great. Don't like it much though when the MAW sweep in and kill us all. :confused:
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Well it seems pongo cant even reply to a single post on score without attacking my ability to play. The fact is pong that you dont know a single thing about how I go about playing. Nothing. You pretend to have all the facts and possess perfect knowledge on my performance and yet you cant one thing right. You are delusioned.
The guys I fly with in this case bishops know better then the lot of you how I go about it. All your ranting about how I score comes down to one thing. Wine. So go on fool yourselves your not fooling the ones that count and thats the guys I fly with. They dont care a hoot about you but its obvious my score is eating you alive.
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Ok, I'm going to be perfectly blunt here. GPreddy, you're a love muffin, and are delusional yourself. By the way, you were saying you've "figured out" my old CPID. I'm willing to bet that whoever you thought I was isn't SPLOID is it?
And cpx.. the point of this thread was to ask people who have achieved and held low ranks whether or not they had fun... your speculation ("And I guess it's fun for them", or something to that effect) is wrong from my experience. It may be for others.. but that's what I'm trying to find out.
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Originally posted by wetrat
Ok, I'm going to be perfectly blunt here. GPreddy, you're a love muffin, and are delusional yourself. By the way, you were saying you've "figured out" my old CPID. I'm willing to bet that whoever you thought I was isn't SPLOID is it?
Your use of insult here indicates you havent the intelligence nor the patience to hold your tongue. What makes your game style any more correct than anyone elses? Is it your place to decide who is right and who is wrong? No.
Im going to be blunt here. All of you that have insulted me and continue to do so. None of you are the cock of the walk here. You have been around so long you think you rule the roost but any one of you could find yourself expelled tomorrow. You go too far. No one cares about how long you have been around or what you think about any game and not just Aces High. You cant figure out how to score thats obvious. If all you want is to fly fighters do it and be happy. HT has said clean up your act. Do it. I know I wont be the last target of your insults. If you dont stop now you will berate some newbie someday and then every thread on the bbs will be locked for a week again. The way you act is nothing to be proud of.
Oh and wetrat you told me or someone while I was aboard the cv north of a9 who you had been. You then proceeded to pick my brain on 'score whoring' though you then proceeded to tell me that agjv44 was the biggest gamer you knew. I never repeated it to anyone. I am sure it is on a film somewhere but Im not looking through every film to find out as there has to be more then 3000 of them. I dont care about you your exploits who you were or who you will be. Play the game have fun and be cheerful about it. You attitude ruins it for more then just a few.
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I tend to agree with wetrat's earlier assesment.
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voss never changes and wont go away.
and crappy pilot to boot.
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Originally posted by GPreddy
Well it seems pongo cant even reply to a single post on score without attacking my ability to play. The fact is pong that you dont know a single thing about how I go about playing. Nothing. You pretend to have all the facts and possess perfect knowledge on my performance and yet you cant one thing right. You are delusioned.
The guys I fly with in this case bishops know better then the lot of you how I go about it. All your ranting about how I score comes down to one thing. Wine. So go on fool yourselves your not fooling the ones that count and thats the guys I fly with. They dont care a hoot about you but its obvious my score is eating you alive.
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Originally posted by GPreddy
. You cant figure out how to score thats obvious.
I told everyone on the board how to score. None cares that you have a high scores Voss, its your "im better than you" attitude that pisses folks off.
"Rank just happens"
"I cant fly the shootout so my moneys on fester"
I have 78 gunship kills think ill post it"
'You guys suck only I do my duty"
"Check my stats check my stats!"
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Yes sir its obvious your jealous lee. Suck up those tears of envy and move on.
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Originally posted by GPreddy
Yes sir its obvious your jealous lee. Suck up those tears of envy and move on.
You still don’t get it. No one envies you. I’m amazed that your head is so big that you actually still think that folks’ disgust with your pompous attitude is really jealousy! The Irony is, the harder you try, the more pathetic you look. Perhaps you can fool a small handful of players into thinking that you’re something your not. But most of us see you for what you are.
eskimo
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Who would envy someone who sits in a feild gun all day? :confused: :confused:
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so voss is like, good at flight sims?
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Last month I didn't ahve any fun. THis month it is coming back. Still pissed about GV modeling but I will get over it. I enjoy flying for rank, I will milk a strat target here or there, but I will give myself up for the better cause for the knits. I created my first mission ever the other night and it was fun as hell 190 D'9 190 A8's and goons. We captured the base after the the first time we all died was fun and brought back some enthusiasm for me. I like Voss, i know I pissed him off a couple times as he has to me but it is fun competing against him. Didn't know it was GPreddy though weird.
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I have been playing awhile and I think I got a good understanding of the game and flown for two countrys so far. If there is one thing ive noticed about the folks that occupy top ranks in this game its this.
They spawn camp. Favorite thing to say on radio is bring me Vehicle supplies. Like its there god given right to have you tend to there 100 plus kill mission.
They never kill fh at enemy base with buffs. Doing so would hurt there score.
They never are the ones asking you what they can do to help. They are the guys that only go into a base after that get an all clear (is the ack dead??)and have at least five friendlies vulching with them.
Also look for the guy that never starts a fight but always drops from 20k to pop the guy your fighting. Then you say thanks for the help as he rtb to land those kills.
They tend to sit back and eat around the edge allowing everyone else to do the dirty work.
They are no help to the country they fight for cause the mission you are doing does not coincide with his mission to protect his points. Bottom line.
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Eskimo fortunately I dont care what you think. However you do spend so much time telling me and anyone that will listen how badly I suck how poorly I play how my rank does not mean anything and how boring it must be play the way I do.
Yet I still have more fun then I have at any other game. I still daily requests for films. I give check rides and pointers to more people then you even talk to. I get supplies just by asking because I have helped so many people they are more then happy to reciprocate. I join missions and participate wholeheartedly. I prefer to be the first guy to the field. I up at fields under attack when Im the only guy there. I attack the goon when I have to get past fighters that are sure to latch onto my six.
When I get on the radio and say "Mission up!" we get response. How many people answer your call? Oh wait you never call.
Afraid to up? Sit in a field gun all day? That speaks louder then all your words added up. Jealousy. Deny it all you want. :D
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Originally posted by GPreddy
Well it seems pongo cant even reply to a single post on score without attacking my ability to play. The fact is pong that you dont know a single thing about how I go about playing. Nothing. You pretend to have all the facts and possess perfect knowledge on my performance and yet you cant one thing right. You are delusioned.
The guys I fly with in this case bishops know better then the lot of you how I go about it. All your ranting about how I score comes down to one thing.wine . So go on fool yourselves your not fooling the ones that count and thats the guys I fly with. They dont care a hoot about you but its obvious my score is eating you alive. [/B]
It's whine you swine(I think):D
And to add to this. I had fun respawning in a PT boat shooting people down and getting shot down. I also had fun flying, landing,hotpadding over and over to land alot of kills. What i'm trying to say is fun is what fun is to the individual.
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tried to make "wine" the only bold word.....didn't work
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Originally posted by GPreddy
Eskimo fortunately I dont care what you think. However you do spend so much time telling me and anyone that will listen how badly I suck how poorly I play how my rank does not mean anything and how boring it must be play the way I do.
Yet I still have more fun then I have at any other game. I still daily requests for films. I give check rides and pointers to more people then you even talk to. I get supplies just by asking because I have helped so many people they are more then happy to reciprocate. I join missions and participate wholeheartedly. I prefer to be the first guy to the field. I up at fields under attack when Im the only guy there. I attack the goon when I have to get past fighters that are sure to latch onto my six.
When I get on the radio and say "Mission up!" we get response. How many people answer your call? Oh wait you never call.
Afraid to up? Sit in a field gun all day? That speaks louder then all your words added up. Jealousy. Deny it all you want. :D
Well, it sure looks like you care what I think!
How much time do I spend telling you and others what I think of you? A few minutes a month equals… lots?
My issue with you is your ego. It’s massive. It’s even bigger than Fester’s. I’ve never really said that you suck as a pilot, only that you appear to be so absolutely driven to prove to everyone how great you are. Everything about you is focused on proving how great you are. Your bragging is annoying. If the most fun that you’ve ever had playing a game is purely driven by trying to convince everyone that you are so fantastic, then that speaks volumes about your personality.
You seem incapable of saying anything without trying to one-up everyone, or brag about your virtual exploits.
And in case you haven’t noticed, I fly almost exclusively in the CT since it opened. I fly in the MA when the CT is down.
And lastly, why in the world would I be jealous of you (in R.L. or this game)? I can’t think of one thing about you that I admire. If you honestly believe that your rank is a pure indicator that you are “the greatest”, then remember whom you are talking to. Do a little research and see how I ranked in the MA before the CT opened. It sounds like you may be the one person who might actually be impressed.
I’ve ranked pretty high myself, I just never had any delusions about what it meant.
There are 3 things needed to rank well;
(Dedication/Effort Towards Rank) X (Understanding of the Rank System and trick) X (Skill)
You’ve got the first two parts maxed-out, and you have decent skills.
You will certainly outrank anyone with outstanding skill, but does not understand the rank system, or doesn’t care enough to put forth an effort.
Thinking that it’s all about skill, however, is very foolish.
eskimo
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I'm reading through this thread looking for anyone supporting voss's banter. I don't see it.
Score potato is not a term that describes the top 10 pilots. Its a term that describes anyone that plays the game simply to get a higher score. Everything they do is based on score... vulching... spawn camping... whatever.
Most of the people posting in this thread are guys I've seen in the middle of fights. Eskimo, any of the MAW, pongo and virtually everyone else. I've only seen you above the fights.
I have much more respect for the guys that play the game than those that game it.
MiniD
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lol i really do think Preddy is joking on all his posts
cause if not..lmfao
Im not going to quote any more ridiclulous statements that he makes...ok..i will do 1.."I up at caped bases"....lololololololllllolololol
yes we can see how many times you have been vulched....lolol
And I do like how none of my statements were countered..!!!!Im RIGHT!!!!!:)
Salute to all..
Love BiGB
xoxo
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So ... let me get this straight ....
People still read/listen to Voss? And reply?
A Voss by any other name would still stink. :D
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Voss talkin about duty....how about when you came rooks for a nite so you could bomb a factory that nobody was around.....and then you told us rooks where the bish were hiding our cv an that you had just moved it a little closer.
Your the worst type of team player voss...you change teams for easier scoring options...then give away other teams secrets....if I was a bish I would give your location away daily for being a traitor.
You bish should rethink helping that guy.
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Come now, voss. Nowhere in any of my posts did I say I was in any way superior to anyone. I asked a simple question. And I never did tell you or anyone else on the bishops my old CPID. I've said it several times on the BBs... I am SPLOID... get that through your head. If you don't believe me, check my progress from the tour that I started (September 2002) to the present. And I'd like to know who it is that I "told you" I used to be. If you do indeed have a demo of this, PLEASE post it.
And as for my "attitude." I hate salamanders. And you, sir (voss), are a salamander. Don't like my attitude on the forums? Don't read my posts. Don't like my attitude in the MA? Squelch me.
And if you actually do believe rank is about skill... there is absolutely no hope for you. I was ranked in the 20's my third tour in this game, and I didn't know a high yo-yo from a lawndart. It's about effort and commitment (by commitment I mean time online... you having 190 hours at this moment..), and a little skill helps as well. You think you're better than me.. you may be right. Who am I, or you, to say? There is one thing I can say, and with authority: You are a salamander.
If hitech or someone reads this, I'm sure it will be deleted, or I'll be emailed about it, as I was about my language on channel 1... But I stand by it.
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Originally posted by GPreddy
Yes sir its obvious your jealous lee. Suck up those tears of envy and move on.
No need for me to be like that, I know you cant hang with me in a dogfight. I and aint all that. So you must really suck ;->
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I agree with guys like gatso and wetrat as to the drudgery of playing to the scoreboard. I've done it (not here) and it's boring. The worst part is having to run away from friends in need. Now, I get gratification from being thanked by guys I'm working with, and that is sufficient. I do think that ranks can "just happen". In Tour 34 I was ranked 3 and 4 in attack planes against objects and enemies. I had no idea I had done this till I checked the score sheet. (I normally just refer to k/d stats)
The k/t stat is as farcical as it is gamey. How many real WW2 pilots were assessed on that?
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Originally posted by beet1e
The k/t stat is as farcical as it is gamey. How many real WW2 pilots were assessed on that?
Now that I tend to disagree with... while it is gamey, as it wasn't a factor in any way shape or form in WW2, it speaks loudly of a player's style in AH's main arena. Kills / time differentiates between the guys who fly low and furball, and the guys who climb to 20k from a completely safe field every sortie. While vulching does tamper with k/t, it doesn't affect k/t any more than it does the other categories.
Personally, when I'm not score mongering, I look to k/t and accuracy more than anything. If I've got a k/d of 5.0 and a k/t of like 6... I'd say that I've been flying like a panzy just trying to stay alive. I look at accuracy because I love having a high hit % :)
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I love Boobies.
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thats funny... i like boobies and potatos:)
And these personnal attaks must stop..I have warned all of you before..I will lock this thread....
Dam i lost my keys...
hehehe:D
And just a reminder..everyone in this world doesnt have to liek what you or I do...Soem people get off when there partner toejams and pisses on there face...
um..I think thats far enuff to describe score potatos....lololololo
Kidding..kidding please don tkik me off...:p
Love BiGB
xoxoxo
moooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oo
moo
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Actually I am the first to dive in to get the ack, pork the dar and kill the VH. Usually ack first. Gaming the game is one thing. But playing for fun is what I find more compelling. It really isn't that hard to stay in the top 15. Get your goon captures out of the way early and you can sit tight the whole tour with 6-9 captures total.
I know JDW and myself just pissed off a ton of rooks in the pizza map bout an hour ago. The two of us stopped the rooks for about 15 minutes from upping from one base so they could go defend/attack our base. Call it gaming or whatever but what I think we did was relieve some of the pressure from the knits at their base. As we saw 15% of the total rooks online come after us.
Back to ranks the only thing that I care about is our squad staying in the number 1 spot. We all work together in AH and fly together which makes the game all that more fun.
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6-9 captures wasn't enough for JD... he got 16 m3 captures in one friggin night!
And BGB... were you drunk when you wrote your last post?
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hehe im sorry wetrat..im going delirous......
Love BiGB
xoxo
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lol bgb.. don't be sorry.. you're not voss! :)
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wetrat - the reason I maintain that k/t is irrelevant (for ME) is that I prefer to try to fly "realistically", by which I mean with a purpose in mind - field capture, field defence etc. I have said once before that the P47 ace F. Gabreski got about 35 kills in two wars spanning about ten years - in AH k/t terms he was crap! That is why the k/t is so gamey, and irrelevant - to me at least.
Just two days ago, I worked with two other guys to capture three enemy bases which could have been used against us and caused us to fight a two front war. With those bases captured, we had a war on one front only. During that session, the only kills I got were bombing GVs that had spawned to defend vehicle bases.
I think that the people who give credence to k/t (and there are many) are the same people who hate the pizza map (and there are many). I sort of like the pizza because you don't necessarily run into LA7 interceptors looking for quick kills. If you would stop and think about it for a moment, an aircraft carrying bombs is not going to be seeking a high k/t. Comprehensive though the AH stats may be, they do not show the contribution a pilot has made to field capture, or to field defence. And this is one reason I'm looking forward to seeing what the Mission Arena has to offer. The other thing that k/t does not take into account is side switching to whichever side is winning - not realistic, and not an option in the real war.
As for k/d, yes - much more relevant. I could show you score sheets in which I have a k/d better than 5/1. But that depended very much on what I was doing, and with whom. When I first started in AH, I struggled to exceed 3/2! -because I didn't know anyone, and was flying alone for much of the time. No voice comms back then, so fewer 6 calls etc.
But it seems some guys sacrifice k/d for k/t - would that be why we see so much suiciding in this game? Fly-till-U-die vulch crap because a new plane is only a mouse click away... :rolleyes:
My advice to any score potatos is not to get to wound up about any particular stat if you're planning to fly the Mission Arena - and I can see why some won't want to - lol. My prediction is that the whole pattern of scoring will be completely different.
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beetle.. people defending feilds probly don't carry bombs either. High K/T is like any other stat.. It is fun to track and it gives another oiece to the overall puzzle... I believe that you are correct tho....
Those who like to fight hate the pizza map. I also see more La7's in the pizza map than any. certainly no less. You need a fast plane in the pizza because of the low population density and long distances to a fight... you need to go all the way to the other persons base to get him or... cefend against a "missun dudz" building battler horde.
voss is so noisy so that blind people can hate him too.
lazs
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As for k/d, yes - much more relevant.
aybe I'm missing something here but how is K/D more realistic? Seems to me that anything lower than X/1 is gamey. Guys that go 100/3...good for them but by your real world rubric they're still dead.
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You can sacrafice K/D to get a high K/T.... still takes some talent tho... You can sacrafice K/T to get a high K/D... takes very little talent but a lot of patience...
It is a little harder to get high K/T and K/D together. They might indicate something taken together. Hit percentage is pretty meaningless tho except on a personal level.
lazs
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run into LA7 interceptors looking for quick kills
Beet1e you really have a fixation on the lag..
I pretty much stink and have killed more lags than anything else..
They have very little luck killin me.
Course I make a point of killing lags..
When I see the icon, I...I can't help it...I just get fixated..
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Ranking does not require skill -
I use a MOUSE and a KEYBOARD for every function in this game -
I am not a good 1v1 fighter (probably because of this) but I dont really care about 1v1 -
I do however use SA whenever possible over ACM and that keeps me alive alot longer.
Sure I might be better with a HOTAS Cougar, rudder pedals, dual throttles and such - but if I can rank as high as I do, I aint spendin the money to find out :)
And as far as that is concerned - if someone is gonna offer me money to play only a certain way that I know it's attainable - then sure why not - I'll try anything once.
I am not playing any different this tour than any other tour other than I am picking my sorties more carefully, and come hell or high water, I am finishing them out.
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glad that I am not the only one using a mouse instead of a joystick.
lazs
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I don't even have a computer. I just whistle into the phone.
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Originally posted by lazs2
glad that I am not the only one using a mouse instead of a joystick.
lazs
Same here..
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Yeap, I enjoyed my scores tour. Sometime it was borring, sometime frustrating, but considering that it made me care to survive in MA, which did not happen for like 1 year before it, I enjoyed it.
BTW, anyone have got their check? I have not got mine yet.
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This thread has been an interesting read for me. I usually end tours with scores between 400 and 100. I think I may have broken the top 100 once, but that was a fluke. I understand now what kind of mentality it takes to have a top 50 score, and I believe I will never possess it! :rolleyes:
My limitation is the Squad I fly with. We work together to accomplish tasks and capture territory. We will work together as a group to help defend an important airbase, clear enemy fields of ack, run bomber missions to break up a determined base defense, or even sneak in some GV's to get the job done. Search and destroy enemy CV's is a squad favorite, but no matter what we do, the satisfaction of the squad's success far outweighs the satisfaction of living or dying during the effort. We have many people in the squad that will auger in order to change vehicle/plane to better suit the situation, especially if timing is critical. It is the diversity of engagements and the team cooperation that really matters in my book. Sure, we watch scores, but they are more of a byproduct than a main focus.
Some people are different, but I have a hard time seeing the enjoyment in personal glory since there is no one to share the accomplishment with. Who cares if your #1 if you had to abandon everyone in the effort? Still, live and let live. I am not complaining, to each his/her own. Keep doing what you’re doing as long as you’re happy. Just keep an open mind to others activities; maybe they are at least as happy as you are. :)
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personally I find tons of things to do that are more fun that trying to pad my 'virtual' score.
no one cares who 'Wlfgng' is in my 'real' life and neither do I.
Flying is what I do for fun between getting laid, skiing and in general after out having fun.
Life's too short to make import out of fantasy... I.E. virtual pilot skills in a fantasy world
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gpready you crack me up.
'team' players.. who's team?
high scoring = team players ???
ok.. maybe in your world. In my world, like I said, we come to AH to have fun after the 'real' team is tired and ready to play computer games.
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Lazs, I'm not so sure I agree.
While I dislike the pizza map, I'm finding a lot of furballing lately in it.
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Amen Wlf...hows the snow up therre..
Tahoe has been a bit crappy..we have alot..but weather has been spring like...
ICe frozen in morning slushy in afternnon
But thank god i snowboard ..cause the Parks are usally the only hope:)
O ya..this thread...
We have now found out you have to be a Seriuos NERD-loser to be Number 1-10...lololol
Please dont verbally attak me.I feel bettr if you physically do it..than atleast you will shut up and i can just stab you :p
Salute
BiGB
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got 8 new last night.. Champagne powder and today is sunny and calm.. and I have meetings until 8pm.. #$%#$%$
actually our weather had been warm with spring like skiing.. til today that is !
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I'd like to add that if one really wanted to make money...
flying AH is NOT the way to it.
how many dollars per hour did the top guys make?
er.. cents per hour
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Originally posted by tracerx
This thread has been an interesting read for me. I usually end tours with scores between 400 and 100. I think I may have broken the top 100 once, but that was a fluke. I understand now what kind of mentality it takes to have a top 50 score, and I believe I will never possess it! :rolleyes:
A score in the top 50 doesn't take much commitment at all. I think I finished tour 35 in the high 40's or low 50's and all I did was screw around. I'd get bored furballing and go grab a p38 and egg a town somewhere, try to kill a few, and if I didn't die fighting, I'd auger and get troops. Top 50 ranks CAN "just happen." Top 10 or 15... can't.
And Fariz.. if you actually had fun attaining rank 1, hats off to you. You must be a much more even tempered and patient person than I.
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Originally posted by Fariz
Yeap, I enjoyed my scores tour. Sometime it was borring, sometime frustrating, but considering that it made me care to survive in MA, which did not happen for like 1 year before it, I enjoyed it.
BTW, anyone have got their check? I have not got mine yet.
Nope HT said htey were mailed on the 18th. Just trying to figure out which month he was talking about as I haven't recieved mine either and all my info is correct for mailing address and everything.
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I didn't realise Sachs is AGJ... he definitely is the first to dive on the ack :) In fact, when I don't feel like wasting precious accuracy points on the ack, I yell at him to do it :)
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Originally posted by Fariz
BTW, anyone have got their check? I have not got mine yet.
I got mine like 2 weeks ago.
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I'll get mine... a month after they mail it.
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Oh and Wetrat it is now Wurger-Staffel so you can spell it correctly :) I love deacking a field nothing like taking a field down in 2 passes. ANd having everyone else enjoy what you risked to do it. Between Lazerus and myself we were the ack getters. laz gave more for the benefit of the squad then anyone I have ever seen before.
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post reply number 100...
and guess what
it doesnt matter how you get the kills as long as you get them in a decent honourable way:rolleyes: :p
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honorable in an imaginary way.. woah...
in a computer game even.
Does one get imaginary medals too?
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mih
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yes wlf gng they do..iceMAW has got ashitload sent to him i emails from killing lots people in Scenarios..I think Snapshots..or somthn..
He emails us with them..they have pictures of the Medals you won..Iron Cross..Distuingushed Flying Cross..SOme other British and Russian Medals..its pretty funny
And it fiannly got cold enuff here in Tahoe..but no snow for atleast next 2 weeks.!!!!!!noooooooooo
Salute
BiGB