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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: NHCouger on November 15, 2001, 11:19:00 PM
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When we first come into aces high your not allowed to take another person call sign,the same should be for squad names, after being here for nearly 2 years and being part of the community, the night hawks have endured,I talk to the new member from aw who just sighed on to aces and started a squad name night hawks, I talked to there CO MDG4me and he assured me that he would change the name, now he said he will not. I feel this is in poor taste, what he doesn,t understand this hurts us all we all have our own different squad personality that contributes to the game as a whole, all that the rook squad who now called themselve night hawk did was open up the whole game to anyone who would want to copy kat a squad name, can you imagine 5 different squad with the name assassin or 6 with the arabian knights. or 5 calling themselve fubar. We no longer have our own personal squad names. there is no reason for squad names to be the same. will the rook squad who CO is MDG4me consider changing the name.
NHCouger CO of Night hawks
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Totaly aggree.
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I also agree.
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Agree completely.
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Ditto big time, change the name
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complete agreement
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well,
not to play devils advocate, but if that was their squad name in AW, i can see why they'd want it here.
it sounds like they're not trying to steal your name from how you worded it.. hmm, maybe you guys should form 1 large squad?
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Yeppers, Couger, they need to change their name. :(
Don't know why HTC doesn't forbid this in the first place. Permitting it causes nothing but hard feelings.
AKcurly
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In AW there were a number of squads with the exact same name. I can't remember there ever having been a problem caused by it.
There were also a few players who had very similar handles; this occasionally caused trouble but was usually fine.
I see no reason why a group should have a "copyright" on a squad name.
J_A_B
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Id hate the idea of another squad starting up with the same name,a lot of prople put a lot of work into their squads i.e. websites etc,I think its a matter of good form that if someone already has that name,you pick another.
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I agree completely and the same goes for The Flying Tigers AVG. I got the same attitude from them when I brought this up the 1st night they showed up here.It doesn't exactly give me a warm fuzzy feeling towards this new influx that they show no respect whatsoever to those of us who have been in AH the entire time. In the meantime I take great pleasure in killing them everychance I get. ;) I don't care how long they've been in AW...this aint AW.
kbman
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What's the big deal?
Take the Assassins, ala Pongo's Pansy's, ala ASSasins, ala AssASSins, ala Tards, ala We'll take ANYONE please sign up Crew, ala Festarbrias last pit stop...
All the same to me.
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Yeah, I can see how you wouldn't like that. Kinda hard to have an identity as a squad when there are other squads with the same name as you.
SOB
PS...creamo's right, the ASSassins are pansies :p
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Ok, SOB has my real feelings.
No matter he call's the AssASSins 'The HBlair Albino Boat Project", to take another's squad name sucks.
Especially cuz some dared to mess with the mighty Dickweeds. Agreed.
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I make a conscious attempt not to call anything a whine over here, because the word 'whine' is grossly overused.
But this sounds like a whine to me.
Granted, I never understood all this squad stuff. Maybe I should make my own NightHawks squad, too. :)
If it really matters to both of your squads, I suggest you each pick your best pilots and 'duel' for the name.
anRky
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Nope AN, it's a valid point.
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I Agree cougar, you guys have worked hard to earn your reputation. Having a new group move in with virtually the same name is a real pain.
We will eventually learn to tell you apart but it sucks no doubt.
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They should change it to the
Night Hacks
ATC
(http://www.damned.org/images/ddemo1.gif)
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Agreed - open merger talks. Before you flame him. :)
-W
Originally posted by moose:
well,
not to play devils advocate, but if that was their squad name in AW, i can see why they'd want it here.
it sounds like they're not trying to steal your name from how you worded it.. hmm, maybe you guys should form 1 large squad?
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Night Hawks were here first and they've earned their recognition the hard way-the school of hard knocks in the main arena. The other squad should change their name as a courtesy. Doesn't matter that they were night hawks in air warrior. This is Aces High.
BTW, you guys remember a year or two ago when some squad copied the html and pictures from another squads webpage, changed the words around a lil, and called it their own webpage? That was funny.
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Originally posted by NHCouger:
NHCouger CO of Night hawks
Technically, they do not have the same name, at least not exactly.
Couger, as you put it, your squad is called the Night hawks
The AW squad is actually NightHawks, which is grouped as one word with capitalization on the second.
That being said, I can understand your want for individuality, but you must agree you are different.
Currently, there are several similar named squads, including
****13th TAS****
13th Special Attack Squadron
13th TFS "Unlucky Bastards"
5 GvIAP VVS KA - Gie
5 GvIAP VVS KA - leonid
Jagdgeschwader 52
Jagdgeschwader 52 .... Horrido!!
Flying Tigers
The Flying Tigers
The Flying Tigers AVG
VMF-214 Black Sheep - EDMAW
VMF-214 Black Sheep - Pappy
VFA-136 <==NIGHT HAWKS==> - Your Squad
VA-185 {NightHawks} - MGD4Me
So, although you may be wanting them to change, this type of thing has been going on for quite some time. And where they are an established squad with several years of history, it is really not fair for you to expect them to change their name.
If it were a brand-new squad, it might be a different story, as was the case with someone impostering the Dickweed Heavy Bomber Group recently.
In the world of unwritten ethical rules, this one is pretty tough, but I hope you guys can work it out peacefully.
Or, maybe you can have a "Squad face-off" with the looser having to change their name.
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Originally posted by Midnight:
Or, maybe you can have a "Squad face-off" with the looser having to change their name.
Now yuo're talking. 262's in the dueling Arena!
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As pointed out 1 squad uses a one word spelling the other a two word spelling.
That sounds like a different squad to me.
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So you'd be all for a "Grove Rats" squad and one also called "GroveRats"? Just curious.
Westy
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ya ever look at the roster?
it could say anything from day to day :)
~~RATS>
~~GROVERATS>
=RATS=
=GROVERATS=
=GROVERATS= KAW
etc etc
We normaly just call ourselves RATS
I head the Blackout boys on the rook channel last night calling themselves the RATS. It didnt bother me at all, rodents are rodents :)
hell If you remame the MOL the Grove RATS I would consider you squaddies <G>
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Maybe they could change their name to "Fake NightHawks" or something like that ?
Because that's what they are.
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Squad hunt!
eskimo
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I HATE RODENTIA !!! <tm>
-W
Originally posted by Krusher:
It didnt bother me at all, rodents are rodents :)
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They got a webpage? Maybe someone should 'infiltrate' them as a "new potential squad member', find out what time they do their squad meet(s).. and then do a squad hunt! :D
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"hell If you remame the MOL the Grove RATS I would consider you squaddies <G>"
:D I'll put it before the board
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Well I am willing to sell the rights for the squad name "The New Baby Harp Seals" for $50.
Or if you don't want to buy I can set up a lease.
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Duel! Duel! Duel!!!
<blood thirsty crowd noises>
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hmm maybe FakeHawks ?
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Chill! First of all the squads are in 2 different countries. Secondly the "squad identity" does not come from the name, but from the actions of that squad. If you're good, people will know. If you present a positive presence in the arena people will know.
My handle "Tahgut" is prevelant in the arena in its different forms. Targut flys for the Nazgul, and Target has been in AH for quite some time I understand. The people I flew with in AW-FR know me as Target or <TGT>. I know quite well that I must reestablish my identity here, and I plan to do that as soon as I stop getting killed so often. I guess the point is that my actions will do much more to establish my identity than my handle. <SALUTE> to Targut, Target and all you other T-words.
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Originally posted by Tah Gut:
Chill! First of all the squads are in 2 different countries. Secondly the "squad identity" does not come from the name, but from the actions of that squad. If you're good, people will know. If you present a positive presence in the arena people will know.
My handle "Tahgut" is prevelant in the arena in its different forms. Targut flys for the Nazgul, and Target has been in AH for quite some time I understand. The people I flew with in AW-FR know me as Target or <TGT>. I know quite well that I must reestablish my identity here, and I plan to do that as soon as I stop getting killed so often. I guess the point is that my actions will do much more to establish my identity than my handle. <SALUTE> to Targut, Target and all you other T-words.
Big difference between a handles that are relatively the same, and a squad name that is, IMO.
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When my squad came over from Airwarrior just recently I made sure that our old name of 416 Lynx wasn't being used. It turned out that it was, and decided it would be in poor taste to duplicate it in game. It doesn't matter how long the new squad has had their name, my squad probably used the 416 Lynx for longer than the AH squad has, and we even have permission from the actual 416 to use it. Us AW squads are the new users in here, and all seniority we built up in the other game is "gone". The problem I see in all of this, is that the term Nighthawks is as common to flight sims as the username Maverick (no offence to any Mavericks in AH of course). You'll not go a day without seeing the words "night, hawk, black, death, etc..." floating around in squad names over and over and over.
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Originally posted by hblair:
Now yuo're talking. 262's in the dueling Arena!
ok, FINE, i'll return your hewked on fonicks book and tape only if you promise to use it :D
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Just put "WE BAD" at the end of your squad name again, then no one will get you mixed up :D
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agreed couger
this happened to The Dickweed Heavy Bomber Group too. The imposter squad even tried to use our webpage as their own.
i say they should change it
"NOT HAWKS"
:mad:
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Originally posted by Manxer:
When my squad came over from Airwarrior just recently I made sure that our old name of 416 Lynx wasn't being used. It turned out that it was, and decided it would be in poor taste to duplicate it in game. It doesn't matter how long the new squad has had their name, my squad probably used the 416 Lynx for longer than the AH squad has, and we even have permission from the actual 416 to use it. Us AW squads are the new users in here, and all seniority we built up in the other game is "gone". The problem I see in all of this, is that the term Nighthawks is as common to flight sims as the username Maverick (no offence to any Mavericks in AH of course). You'll not go a day without seeing the words "night, hawk, black, death, etc..." floating around in squad names over and over and over.
Thats because you have class..>
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Just my two cents here .. the AW NightHawks squad has formed here with the name:
The AH squad name is:
VFA-136 <==NIGHT HAWKS==>
That is what will show up in the kill message macro. Personally I think its enough for most people to be able to id who shot you down .. the VFA-136 or VA-185. Especially since they are flying for different countries.
As for reputations the AH squad already has one here. The AW squad spent three years with the NightHawk identity and understandably would be loathed to throw out all of their history as would the AH squad if they moved onto another SIM.
I think you are making too much of an issue out of this but if you need more distinction between the groups besides the different numbering and such .. why don't you have one squad put the NightHawks first and the squadron number next, and the other squad put the squadron number first and Night Hawks next. Also maybe change the squadron numbers from the 185th and 136th to something like the 301st and 136th.
As I said I think minor changes like that will allow you guys to have enough of difference to allow the rest of us to tell you apart when we get shot down by you. Plus, flying different countries help.
Would you have the same problem if a squad forms with the name JG23 Night Hawks or 356 Sentai Night Hawks?
Just my two cents.
P.S. The other Nightmares VMF-101 squad is a second wing of my squad if you are wondering. Plus previously there was a VMF-525 Nightmares Squadron back several months that has now disbanded. We never had a problem with being confused with them .. they were the 525th and we were the 101st.
[ 11-16-2001: Message edited by: GhstDncr ]
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My vote goes against these new Night Hawks. I just don't think comin in here and usin th name of an already established squad or player is kosher. And I don't think changin th spellin a bit makes it alright.
Show some originality. Think up a name that's not bein used.
And yes I am biased. When I came up with my handle back in AWDOS I made damn sure there was nothing similar in use. Had there been someone using Buzzard or Buzz I would have thought up something different. When I came here to AH back in March I did the same. Had someone been using Buzzard here in AH I would have found a new handle even though I had been using it for 10 years. It's a respect thing.
Apparently though there are an ever increasing number of folks taking up flight sims who either have no imagination or no respect for the people that got there first.
Sorry for the wall of text but this is one of the few subjects in online gaming that actually pisses me off.
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Originally posted by DamnedBuzzard:
Show some originality. Think up a name that's not bein used.
Originally posted by GhstDncr:
The AW squad spent three years with the NightHawk identity and understandably would be loathed to throw out all of their history as would the AH squad if they moved onto another SIM.
These guys are from AW, i wouldnt want them to have to change the identity they have had for the last 3 years becuase they have "NightHawks" in there name, thats just rediculous. Its not like "they stole the name".
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Amon pops into the witch burning topic with the proverbial "um...I got bettuh" line.
Sheesh.
The villagers (westy waves his torch and pick-fork high into the air) were all set to tar'n'feather em too.
:)
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Originally posted by Am0n:
These guys are from AW, i wouldnt want them to have to change the identity they have had for the last 3 years becuase they have "NightHawks" in there name, thats just rediculous. Its not like "they stole the name".
I do heartily disagree. I'm from AW too and I was there a damn sight longer than these guys. But the key word is "from". This ain't AW, it's AH and someone in AH was already usin the name. A bit of common courtesy no larger than a mustard seed, a slice of respect as thin as the proverbial red bigtoe hair would mandate a new squad name IMHO.
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Well it seems simple enough for me,
There is a squadron here called the NightHawks...who cares how it is spelled and what fancy [{+)***<+---- stuff you surround it with.
The "first" Nighthawk squad can either look at the name and say "Hey...no problem"
OR
The first NightHawk squad can say..."err excuse me..Can you please change your name because it is just too similar to ours?"
The "new" Nighthawk squad should respect the wishes of the others and change their name. If it is really that important to you, join the NightHawks that are already here and making a good name for themselves.
If this still doesn't make sense, rumor has it that AKLarry/nimitz is a lawyer who is looking for a way to pay off his bills.... :)
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Westy i was trying to point out (failed apearently :) )that he should have read the entire post before saying they "stole it", its simply coinsidence.
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WHAT ABOUT THIS OTHER amon6699 GUY I SEEING FLYING KNIGHT!?!? WTF IS HE THINKING?? SOMEONE MIGHT CONFUSE US EVEN THOUGH WE ARE NOT IN THE SAME COUNTRY! THIS UNORIGINAL THIEF STOLE MY NAME!!!!!!!!!!!! :( :mad:
HTC YOU SHOULD BAN THIS GUY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :mad:
PEOPLE NEED TO START READING OVER THE 1000 SUBSCRIBERS NAMES BEFORE THEY PICK THE ONE THEY MAY HAVE USED FOR THE LAST 4 YEARS OF MMOLG!! :mad: :mad: :( :(
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[ 11-16-2001: Message edited by: Am0n ]
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I'm sorry, I disagree with the majority in here.
Yes, AW was a different game, but it's pretty ignorant to ask them to change something they've had for a while. It's not malicious intent on their part to ruin the NightHawks reputation. The would-be imposters of the DHBG is something completely different.
I've never played AW. I don't care about it's death (except for all the new faces here) and I hardly care about it's community. However, if 'the 100th FBG 'Haze' came over from Warbirds and there was another 'Haze' squadron here, which there is, I would certainly want the 100th to keep their namesake.
All this talk of dweeb hunting shows in bright colors why there is a division between the new AW'ers and the AHers. :(
Lighten up. Cougar, I'm sure you can come to some sort of agreement. No, not a squad duel, because that's just silly. (what if you lost?) But moving the VMF or squad name around to show a suitible difference would probably be the best ending to this situation.
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Hehe, you asked them to change, they said no, end of story, move along here, nothing to see ;).
Ask ROC about his and my discussion when the BadCats of RR AW, whose uniform had historically been brackets <xxx>, moved to FR AW, where my Squad had the history of CPID brackets. I asked him to change, he said no, and that was that. We laugh about it now :).
I know, I know, this is AH, not AW, but the same holds true here, and a million other different versions of similarities. Live with it, it's only a game, we have bigger fish to fry :).
Cya Up!
Dawg
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This isn't AW.
My vote is for the 'new' night hawks to change thier name.. heck.. maybe even to
"The New Nighthawks"
a mere space in the spelling doesn't work IMO.
or.. for Creamo and the boyz...
Fat Skunk Rat-turds
Rat Funk Ass-herds
etc etc..
it'd be a drag to see this kind of thing start up...
The 'noble' thing is to have a UNIQUE identity.
It's almost like a new person at work saying something like: "well.. in my old job we did it like this..." just never works. Time to try something new at a new place.
( I just couldn't bring myself to agree with skernsk... but he's right... ughhh) :)
[ 11-16-2001: Message edited by: Wlfgng ]
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Why not just change Both squads names? '
The AH NightHawks for the guys here first.
The AW NightHawks for the guys that came from AW?
I think we will all know the diffrence. Especially after reading this post.
There has to be a middle ground and we must all at least try to get along. If we can't then I say the two squads should duel and the winner gets the name. I know if some squad started using the MOL name then they would have to back it up if they wouldn't change their name.
LLB OUT!!!!!
[ 11-16-2001: Message edited by: llbm_MOL ]
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kind of off the subject, but then again not... i was wondering how long it would take for the introduction of the "other" sims' players (and NO...i'm not saying anything bad about them as players...just stating an opinion or whatever) to start causing problems like this. :rolleyes:
IMHO, i think they should change the name, or HTC should do it for them. :p
it's the same principle as not being allowed to use the same name another player has (or HAS had). things would get rather confusing if there were several of us running around with the same name, wouldn't ya think? :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by kbman:
I agree completely and the same goes for The Flying Tigers AVG. I got the same attitude from them when I brought this up the 1st night they showed up here.It doesn't exactly give me a warm fuzzy feeling towards this new influx that they show no respect whatsoever to those of us who have been in AH the entire time. In the meantime I take great pleasure in killing them everychance I get. ;) I don't care how long they've been in AW...this aint AW.
kbman
What he said...
I wished that maybe they would have even asked to join with us possibly.
Although it really is not that big of a deal. Eventually one side will want a little more individuality anyway. After they learn a little more about the NH group they probably will quickly change to another squad name. :D
rogwar
The Flying Tigers
P.S. I am little worried because lately I've been drinking a whole 12 pack of beer in the evening while playing AH. I've also had burning desires to shoot chutes. After bailing the other day I landed in the middle of a small sheep herd where I proceeded to....
Maybe I need to talk with the flight surgeon?
[ 11-16-2001: Message edited by: rogwar ]
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Ok gotta add in my 2 cents worth... ummm well maybe I DON'T have to but gonna anyway :D
the AW NightHawks squad has formed here with the name: VA-185 {NightHawks}
The AH squad name is: VFA-136 <==NIGHT HAWKS==>
Being an ex-AW myself I can understand a squads desire to have a unique name AND understand the deire to maintain the history of a squad moving from one sim to another.
But as I see it these two Night Hawks are not the same when you look at the ACTUAL squad names (please refer to the quoted text above).
In my old squad (The Cutthroat Mercenary Company) back in AW we had an upstart squad try to copy our name EXACTLY. We were naturally annoyed by and asked them nicely to change. Answer: NO. We asked again: NO.
We then put bounties on their heads (it was something unique to our squad and many people in the AW community rather enjoyed trying to collect the various bounties :) )
After much harassment they eventually changed their names to the Air Pirates.
If the two Night Hawks were totally identical I could understand the old Night Hawks being upset but as has been pointed earlier in this thread there are many squads with SIMILAR squad names but not identical.
Let it rest and be happy that this community identifies you as the first Night Hawks to AH. :)
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Originally posted by BFD:
Hehe, you asked them to change, they said no, end of story, move along here, nothing to see ;).
Ask ROC about his and my discussion when the BadCats of RR AW, whose uniform had historically been brackets <xxx>, moved to FR AW, where my Squad had the history of CPID brackets. I asked him to change, he said no, and that was that. We laugh about it now :).
Dawg
Now this was one of the best handled situations I've ever been involved in. <BFD> and his gang do have some class, and I look back on those days fondly.
I received an email from <BFD> regarding the fact that his squad noticed our move to FR and would we consider changing our handle. I did think about it, as he noted he had worked quite hard building a solid reputation, and wished to keep his identity. I replied that I indeed fully understood the desire to keep the identity, as we had worked so hard to build ours as well. Both our lights went on at the same time realizing we were both right.
Our reputations were both solid, his was the guys getting the kills, our guys were the ones getting shot down all the time, and I don't think it was confusing at all.
Bottom line for both of us, in reality, we knew who we were.
Now that we had such an open dialog, it became most enjoyable seeking out each other and getting into some of the best all out dogfights I have experienced. BFD and the gang have turned into one of my most respected groups, and I greatly enjoy the fact that we now fly together on the same team in AH.
The most fun, however, was after we began chatting regularly, and he relayed the information that some members of his squad were offended at one of my players names,
< SOB >
This, I found quite humorous, and I responded with Dear < BFD >.....you can see where it went from there lol :)
It's a name. Work for it, keep it, protect it, and allow that identities can sometimes overcome similarities.
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I don't see anyone copy cating, stealing names, or stealing logos. I don't think that copy cating or stealing is right. It looks like two established squads have the same name.
It looks like MGD's squad is trying to be considerate by modifying their name as it apears in the game to avoid confusion. I think this sounds like a good compromise.
MGD and the NightHawks are a great group of people and I am glad to see them in AH. Starting out the thread by calling them a bunch of theives is wrong, and not a good way to welcome them to the community.
Welcome MGD, Wild, and all the VA-185 NightHawks!
Gunner
CO, Cactus Air Force
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Gunner then what we need here is 5 individual to go out and start a squad with the name cactus air force. I take it will be all right with you having 5 different squads flying AH with your squad name. Am I correct in saying that this would be all right with you, gunner, I would like to know from you if this is acceptable.
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This whole thread is pathetic.
A new low indeed. Oh for the days of the Chog whiners!
J_A_B
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How about the Day Owls!!!
It is a tough problem, but there already was a established "Nighthawks" Squad. Taking the name is not very neighborly like.
But that is someone else's problem!
Good Luck with you delemia! :)
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Originally posted by NHCouger:
Gunner then what we need here is 5 individual to go out and start a squad with the name cactus air force. I take it will be all right with you having 5 different squads flying AH with your squad name. Am I correct in saying that this would be all right with you, gunner, I would like to know from you if this is acceptable.
Cougar, the point he's trying to make is that they are an established squad. You keep making this bridge between them just moving here and them stealing your squad name. I don't see how you do it. Of course in the scenario above, yes, it's very wrong and not acceptable. Those rules don't apply in your case.
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Nobody better steal "Baby Harp Seals". That's mine, and I'm litigious. Heard there's a lawyer lookin' for work hangin' around the boards, too. :D
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Couger,
I understand your feelings. I am positive beyond a shadow of a doubt, That this was NOT intentional.
The AW NightHawks are coming over as a Squad. They are not here to upset folks. They are a nice bunch of guys.
I Suggest a comprimise. Cougars Bunch Should keep there name the way it is. Its Great :D
The AW Nighthawks should Modify their name enough to be differnt from you. At the same time keep thier Identity
Would something like
"NtHawks Fighter Bomber Group"
Be Good enough???
Would this be a valid comprimise?
Its Very Differnt, But they dont have to Trash their heritage, WebPages and Logos.
I think its the Adult way to handle things.
Comprimise.
If you really want to change your squad to Cactus Air Force, That would be Great :D We can always use more CAF in the Air :D hehehehee
Seriously, We have plenty of confusion from the Canadian Air Force, Confederate Air Force, CheeseHead Air Force, and any other CAF. The Good thing is we have the Blessing of Really Cactus Air Force Guys.
The Real CAF was a group of mismatched pilots based at Henderson on Guadacanal during WWII.
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Gunner then what we need here is 5 individual to go out and start a squad with the name cactus air force. I take it will be all right with you having 5 different squads flying AH with your squad name. Am I correct in saying that this would be all right with you, gunner, I would like to know from you if this is acceptable.
Thanks, that explains a lot :)
Gunner
CO, Cactus Air Force
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Funny, but accually true....
remember a guy in AW with the handle 'Dick"?
well... him, BALLZ, and me winged one night... think about it.
NUTTZ
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Why not just call them AWNight-Hawks? or something else close but obviously different. See other people's posts above for more suggestions. Just a thought.
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Dumb question.
When signing up here, I checked the roster of squad names and saw many duplicates and variations of ours. I just checked again.
According to the definition being toted here. 1 or two word variations shouldn't be allowed. So should all the VMF's, 13th's, Damned, Marine Air wing, Jagdgeschwader's, 5 GvIAP VVS-KA's, 332's,Flying Tigers (with and without the "The"), Nightmares and Nights that say "Ni", all change their names? From what I saw, they where all here before the influx of AW folks.
The other question is if these duplications have been around for so long, why squeak about it now? Everyone is so concerned and heart broken suddenly about these duplications that from what I can see have been here for some time.. Colour me confused
AH been here for bout 2 years..
AW was around for MANY.
Question.. How many AH squads where based on AW squads that the members recreated here?
I would never in a million years have thought of any of these names had I not seen them in AW many years ago.
Can't anyone play nice?
=WW=
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Originally posted by WW:
Can't anyone play nice?
=WW=
No, they can't. That's the problem. Good points though WW, maybe it'll make people think?
Nahhhhhhhhhh
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LOL
Hey Kieren - I sue you for using a similar name!! Always getting beat up by people confusing me with you!!! :D
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... and btw - according to the member number I was here before you... :P
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My vote is the new guyz keep thier squad name, mostly because of thier forethought in excluding a dorky motto like WE BAD. :D
Tumor
[ 11-17-2001: Message edited by: Tumor ]
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As flight sim communities merge, this sort of situation is going to keep happening. Rather than squeaking about it why not just learn to live with it? After all, a squad which has been established for a few years in whatever sim they fly, is not going to suddenly change it's name because it is similar to another one!
I used to be a member of the Black Sheep Bombers in AW3... one of several "Black Sheep" squadrons there. It never caused any problems, as each squad had its own unique 'look' (ours was -o-x{BS}-o-x ).
Now if a squad was to copy your name exactly and claim to be the same squad, that would be different - but in most cases, similarly-named squads will be just that! :)
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Originally posted by Wlfgng:
a mere space in the spelling doesn't work IMO.
or.. for Creamo and the boyz...
Fat Skunk Rat-turds
Rat Funk Ass-herds
etc etc..
Just for the record I'd fully support a squad deciding to name themselves the Rat Funk Ass-herds! LOL! And I'm sure there could be comprimises made in their handles too!
Fartty
SLOB
cRAMo
Spermsk
Analmal
Mr. Fashist
They could be the bizarro FDBs, but I guess they'd be the RFAs! :D
SOB
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Originally posted by SOB:
They could be the bizarro FDBs
The Definition of Redundant:
See Redundant :eek:
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Hiya's,
Phew i saw Hawks n felt i best post about our squad having hawks in it
After looking at all the other squadnames that had been taken we kinda came up with our Dragon Hawks from this.....
Dragon as in fire breathing winged creature and the hawks also because of its winged and menacing looks
So dragon hawks it came to be for us purely because of the nice mix of the two eg fire from the dragon and hawks as in a talloned bird of prey
Hope this causes no ill feeling
Have Fun
Def
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OK, I'm posting because wizzer asked me to. We are the Flying Tigers AVG from AW. We started in AW about 7 years ago as a TEAM, and have overcome several "changes" from EA in the AW community. We decided as a TEAM to move to AH. When we did this we (my XO and I) were concerned with taking the name of the Flying Tigers to AH knowing there is prolly a squad with that name in the arena already. What we found was 2 squad names like that already. (there were 3 squads in AW with this name too flying in different arenas) We have a web site that is under a re-design www.flying-tigers.org (http://www.flying-tigers.org) and have had that domain for at least 5 years if not longer. When we first came into AH wizzer had asked me to change our squad name. I noted that there was already more than one here with that name, and that was irrelivant to wizzer. We named our squad a long time ago because of the TEAMWORK and credo the real Flying Tigers had pre WWII in China. It is a tribute to the real men that flew there, and they are the real owners of that name, we just use it. I don't plan on changing our squad name. If we were a brand new squad, there may some credence to the request, but we are not.
In 1994 I started playing AW online. I chose my ID as Seeker and there were no others with that ID. In 1995 I did beta for Kesmai for AWII, and again a couple of years later when AWIII came out. You will find my name and my handle in the credits that scroll as well as in the manuals for those products. A couple of years ago, another Seeker starting flying AW. He's a great guy and I have even winged with him. He is now in AH and it seems I have moved in with his handle (he was here first). He hasnt asked me to change my handle here but the point is we have always been able to respect each other and just have a good time.
I say Hail to the AH guys that have been here, Hail to the AW guys that are coming here, and Hail to the Real Flying Tigers that flew in China.
We welcome the opportunity to gain new friendships in AH as we have done for so long in the AW community.
It will be a while before our team has the skills to be any match to any of the AH flyers out there, and we say, kill us while you can. :D
Salute!
FTSeeker CO "SKR@"
Flying Tigers AVG
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I agree change it and even though this is only a game squad mimics should respect memebers who were here first. Just my opinion...
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Originally posted by FTSeeker:
We have a web site that is under a re-design www.flying-tigers.org (http://www.flying-tigers.org) and have had that domain for at least 5 years if not longer.
Wow, That throughs another Twist on things.
If a squad has a domain name, its outside the game. It probably doesnt work into this situation. But, How could ask someone like that to change there name. In fact, a Domain name might have legal trademarks involved.
I still see it as a matter of comprimise. I do think the AH Nighthawks have presidence on thier name here. I think New folks sould be the ones to make modifications to clearly mark the differences. Still I dont think its proper to expect them to disregard there heritage either, like a total and complete name change.
I hope Couger and MDG can find common ground.
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FTSeeker.
It wasn't Wizzer, it was Wiz.
Wizzer, Wiz.. one of you two need to change your name :)
=WW=
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Does either squad fly for and will continue to fly for the Knights? Maybe change one to the Knight Hawks.
When I first joined AH and was trying to get my online name, I kept trying to get PukinDog but the system wouldn't let me. I had no clue there already was a PukinDog flying around in here and I'm glad I didn't go with something fancy like XxPukinDogxX or PukinDog1 but went with just "Puke." I do understand wanting some separation from other identities, be it name or squad. Hopefully the two squads can talk and work something out.
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WW
I think they need to duel for the name!
I'll put my money on Wizzer though :)
In fact if anybody wants to take a side bet lets get a pool going.........
Were so siiiillllly!!!
SOB!!!!! that was Sooooo FUNNY!
I have half a mind(which anybody who's met me knows) to get a second account as SLOB and start the RFA's!!!!! :D
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Moved to AH in during sept. 99 after becoming disgruntle w/AW.
Was in the AW Flying Tigers AVG (cpid 911@)
so I asked SKR@ permission to start up the squad in AH(got the ok).
Next stop was the Flying Tigers of WB website because I had seen a reference to their sister squad in AW.Thought this kind of kool so e-mailed there CO Fokr(Steve)I believe.Cant recall everything I said but let him know that I had an interest in joining if they were to moving to AH.
Got no response so went ahead and grabed the Flying Tiger AVG name hopeing some of the squad would come over.Anyway sometime later I noticed the WB Tigers had moved here and never crossed my mine there was a conflict in names since one had the (AVG).
Anyway guess what I'm saying is as long as there is some distinction between the names
and they fly differant countries it could make for some good honest rivalry/action.
my 2 1/2 cents worth :D
btw,did disband my 1 man squad shortly after.
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ft seeker I dont care about your name but on 2 occassions I shot up 2 spits which were clearly dead and flopping to the deck and guys with ft in front of there name stole umm from me by continuing to chase umm to the deck firing until they blew up. This was after I typed on country channel that they were ded.
I dunno how you did things as a "team" in aw but no matter where you are it aint cool.
Please tell your guys to not do that in the future.
I know the AH Flying Tigers dont pull that crap.
Thnx in Advance
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Aces High
'Wotan'
Warbrds 3
'wubke-'
Hptm. Wotan Wubke
Rot 3 fw-190d9 Dora
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Im Auftrage der Reichsbahn
(By order of the State Railway)
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Originally posted by Midnight:
Currently, there are several similar named squads, including
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Jagdgeschwader 52
Jagdgeschwader 52 .... Horrido!!
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Just FWIW, this is another case of name stealing. Jagdgeschwader 52.... horrido!! is a spanish squad wich has been in AH for quite some time now. The "new" Jg52 came here and got that name without asking anything.
Not only that, but some members of the REAL Jg52, asked them in private politely to suggest creating different gruppen to diferenciate their squads. As they told me later, the CO of the "other" Jg52 didnt answer to --ANY-- of their privates to talk about the issue. As is understandable, the members of the real JG52 were REALLY pissed off at the idiotic attitude of the other squad members.
This is far from unpolite, this is absolute rubbish and rudeness from some guys who just came here and don't have a clue of good manners.
And all that is said by me, who has no links with the REAL JG52 other than a good friendship with some of their members.
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Originally posted by SOB:
Just for the record I'd fully support a squad deciding to name themselves the Rat Funk Ass-herds! LOL! And I'm sure there could be comprimises made in their handles too!
Fartty
SLOB
cRAMo
Spermsk
Analmal
Mr. Fashist
They could be the bizarro FDBs, but I guess they'd be the RFAs! :D
SOB
hehe i'd join
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I totaly agree with Cougar, I was a Night Hawk once, and I remember my time with theam fondely, I would be offended if somwone took my squad name and used it as thier own.
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I would like to take a second to apologize for my previous post in this thread.
It has come to my understanding that the AW damage model was such that a damaged nme plane could still fight until "blown to bits".
I never played AW so whem I saw AW guys chasing a free falling on his way to ded plane I got pissed. And when it happened again I was damned hot.
Never-the-less I should have went at the matter differently and took it to private and not on this public board.
Again I apologize to the FT guys and to FTSeeker and would like to offer them any help they need in adjusting to AH.
Salute
Wotan
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Wotan,
I was about to re-explain the "kill stealing" situation with former AW'ers but you beat me to the punch. You are obviously a positive presence in the arena and I look forward to flying with you.
Tahgut, formerly <TGT>, not Targut or Target.....think this name thing is kinda funny.
:cool:
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Originally posted by Wotan:
Again I apologize to the FT guys and to FTSeeker and would like to offer them any help they need in adjusting to AH.
Salute
Wotan
Salute Wotan, You are truley "the Man", and a gentleman!
Cod knows we need the help right now.
FTSeeker
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He's right, they do :)
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To set the record straight as far as the ORIGINAL online Flying Tigers goes, when AH started up in free beta, myself and Wizzer (both from the Warbirds Squadron) came to AH to fly and see if it was worthy of our consideration for either a new squadron or a complete FT relocation from WB. Wizzer started our squad here (with approval from all of the WB FTs BTW!) and has direct connections to our sister WB squadron?s to this day (I fly on both sims as an FT).
The Flying Tigers as an online squadron goes back to the earliest days of online sims. They were formed on the old I.N.N. and flew in Red Baron. In those days if you were in a squadron you would take the letters of that squadron as a part of your handle (hence HawkeyeFT, NHCougar. DragonGT etc.) In the Flying Tigers today we do not make it mandatory to fly the "FT" but if one did, it would always be AFTER the name NOT before. So to me, as an FT since 1994 to see FT in front of a handle makes me see red! IF you flew for one of our sister squadrons in another sim then come fly with us. But don't rip our name off! This practice needs to be addressed by HiTech et al.
HawkeyeFT
aka 'hwkeye'
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Hi Hwkeye,
Thanks for the history lesson. As I was not one of those original Flying Tigers and joined in Warbirds, I didnt feel comfortable proclaiming the proud heritage of our squad myself. Glad you showed up to clarify that point. I am also mature enough to understand that this is not issue worth getting seriously bent out of shape about. It's merely one of respect and pride. I sincerely hope that it can be resolved to everyone's mutual satisfaction without wasting any of HTC's valuable time and much appreciated efforts.In the mean time, my policy, as stated above, remains in effect...
just kill them gleefully. :p
kbman
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SOB.. hehe. roflmao!
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How about making them call themselves the Daily Swallows? (as opposed to the Night Hawks get it? Night? Day? awww forget it!)
slimpikn
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War is the greatest of all crimes; and yet there is no aggressor who does not collar his crime with the pretext of justice.
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Voltaire
Hmmm... The aggressor is the criminal or anyone who fights a war is a criminal? If the former, then I agree. If the latter then Voltaire is a complete dolt.
And BTW didn't Voltaire predict that by the turn of the century he would eliminate all traces of the Bible in civilized society or something like that? Odd thing is, there's a Bible publishing house in the place he used to live. :-)
slimpikn
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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH I HATE when the message is so big I have to scroll horisontally.
Please, keep it normal size. :D
And Creamo, we're rather selective in our process of taking up members.
Hm, you're controversial enough to be considered a dishwasher here though.
Oh, btw: I just got the money I sent you to cover transporation of my joystick back: said "recipient didn't answer door" or something like that. Did you give me the wrong addy?
You'll have to wait for xmas to get them though: spent them already :D
[ 11-19-2001: Message edited by: StSanta ]
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I have noticed a few people with the name Wayne. Becasue I am the oldest I demand they change their name after all I had it first !!
Wayne
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Agreed w/ Cougar.
If they're coming from AW and want to keep the name, they should do something to differentiate it... like Animalistic Night Hawks, or just change it completely.
If I saw a squad that called themselves the Raptors, I wouldn't mind... or if they called themselves the Highlanders... But if they came any closer to the 34th Highland Raptors, I'd call the same thing on them.
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I think in 6 months, after further intregation from AW (and others) we will all have other things to complain about.
I grew up in a small town in Arkansas. There was one High School and two Junior Highs. There was off course a strong rivaly between the two Junior Highs. I remember my sophmore year when we were all of the sudden thrown together. Things changed fairly quickly.
With the influx of people from AW and other areas it has altered play somewhat (and given lots of easy kills at times). This took place almost overnight. It has altered the environment all of us once knew and were accustomed, from all sides.
Things will stabilize in the next several months as the arena finds it's own balance of play in this new environment.
rogwar
The Flying Tigers
P.S. What side does this AVG group fly on? If you ever fly cRook let us know so we can do some joint missions.