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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: NUKE on February 01, 2003, 08:29:24 AM
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NASA lost contact with the shuttle Columbia 26 minutes ago over Texas.
It's overdue for landing......
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Holy crap, they just said lost radar contact!
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were they reporting any malfunctions??
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We heard a loud explosion on the ground in dallas..
Now they are showing a video clip from local tv wfaa.. it looks bad. Multiple trailers are seen ..
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search and rescue teams are being mobilized in dallas
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holy f'...............
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ouch.
It's gone, not a chance anyone survived.
http://www.msnbc.com/news/857733.asp?0cv=CA00
http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/breaking_news/4951748.htm
Oddly enough it was carrying the first israeli astronaut...
Coincidence?
Also, on takeoff it seems a piece of insulation fell off the external fuel tank and hit the left wing of the orbiter.
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They are showing footage from the groundf of what looks like the shuttle breaking up with peices coming off of it. God, how terrible...... sickening to watch
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just saw the vid on fox, any word on impact area?
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just called the DPS office, no word over emergency radio yet
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they had a piece of insulation break off and hit the wing during takeoff... the current speculation is the heat shield failed..
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diddly!!!!! :mad:
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Sonuvasqueak. Local TV is showing video footage now of it breaking up somewhere over the Dallas/ Fort Worth area.
This is really eerie to be happening at this time so close to the anniversary of the Challenger disaster.
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Don't know what to say...
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Originally posted by CyranoAH
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Don't know what to say...
wtf is it with a space program accident that makes me loose it...
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Originally posted by Krusher
wtf is it with a space program accident that makes me loose it...
because we have national pride over our technologic triumphs
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I'm not american
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After the Challenger went down they made it possible to bail out didnt they?
can you bail out at 205 thousand feet?
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This is a horrible thing :(
They are saying the debris turned hard left after it broke up and it was lotsa little pieces.
Theory: Does a near 20 y/o air frame that is put through the abuse that launch and re-entry have what it takes anymore to do the job that is needed?
I pray for the families of the crew
Rocket
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Oh No,
Not again.
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At Mach 6 I think chances of survival are grim :(
My condolences to their families and friends :(
Daniel
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Originally posted by Krusher
After the Challenger went down they made it possible to bail out didnt they?
can you bail out at 205 thousand feet?
They do have pressure suits so they can bail at very high altitudes. However, it is the aerodynamic forces that are the problem. The Shuttle is traveling hypersonic speeds on re-entry. I don't think a person could survive those kind of aerodynamic pressures on bail-out.
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Traveling at 12K mph+ and 200K feet I seriously doubt anyone would have made it out. I just hope it was a quick passing for those people.
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At 9:05 EST, NASA lost contact with STS-113 and its debris was seen coming down over Dallas. Please keep the Astronauts of the Space Shuttle Columbia in your hearts today. Rick D. Husband, William C. McCool, Michael P. Anderson, David M. Brown, Kalpana Chawla, Laurel Clark, and Ilan Ramon
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Get your heads straight.
This is a shuttle reentry not a drive by the park.
Daniel:
These accidents happen and will happen again. That is the nature of the field you have chosen to pursue in life. Its diddlying dangerous but WE MUST KEEP DOING IT.
Some tards are talking Terrorism and what not. LOL.
That shuttle was old. The .gov denied all requests for funding for a better, safer and more advanced shuttle.
We are now paying the price.
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to the astronauts. Space is still a very risky bussiness and they took their chances to get their job done.
Yes, I am shocked.
Daniel
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Animal couldn't be more right :(
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Originally posted by Animal
Daniel:
These accidents happen and will happen again. That is the nature of the field you have chosen to pursue in life. Its diddlying dangerous but WE MUST KEEP DOING IT.
Some tards are talking Terrorism and what not. LOL.
That shuttle was old. The .gov denied all requests for funding for a better, safer and more advanced shuttle.
We are now paying the price.
It was the first thought that crossed my mind and felt awful because of that... "it was very old...the first one to go into space...".
And yes, I do not have a doubt in my mind that space exploration will go on, but it's a shock nevertheless.
Animal, para mi estos son los verdaderos héroes de nuestro tiempo, gente con una amplísima preparación científico-técnica que están dispuestos a jugarse la vida por continuar el camino emprendido por los pioneros... espero que la gente se dé cuenta de esto.
Daniel
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Originally posted by CyranoAH
It was the first thought that crossed my mind and felt awful because of that... "it was very old...the first one to go into space...".
And yes, I do not have a doubt in my mind that space exploration will go on, but it's a shock nevertheless.
Animal, para mi estos son los verdaderos héroes de nuestro tiempo, gente con una amplísima preparación científico-técnica que están dispuestos a jugarse la vida por continuar el camino emprendido por los pioneros... espero que la gente se dé cuenta de esto.
Daniel
Mi miedo mas grande es que se asusten por los riesgos, y tengan miedo a empujar adelante esta ciencia tan importante. Inconcientemente estaran deshonorando aquellos que murieron para lograr todos estos avances.
Son mas que super heroes.
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Just watched the video. It seems a piece fell off, then there was a puff of smoke, followed by a total break-up of the shuttle.
RIP :(
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17 years and 4 days since the last one :(
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I just heard that news....OMG...Challenger again.....
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Reagans speech after the Challenger tragedy:
Nineteen years ago, almost to the day, we lost three astronauts in a terrible accident on the ground. But, we've never lost an astronaut in flight; we've never had a tragedy like this. And perhaps we've forgotten the courage it took for the crew of the shuttle; but they, the Challenger Seven, were aware of the dangers, but overcame them and did their jobs brilliantly. We mourn seven heroes: Michael Smith, Dick Scobee, Judith Resnik, Ronald McNair, Ellison Onizuka, Gregory Jarvis, and Christa McAuliffe. We mourn their loss as a nation together.
For the families of the seven, we cannot bear, as you do, the full impact of this tragedy. But we feel the loss, and we're thinking about you so very much. Your loved ones were daring and brave, and they had that special grace, that special spirit that says, 'Give me a challenge and I'll meet it with joy.' They had a hunger to explore the universe and discover its truths. They wished to serve, and they did. They served all of us.
We've grown used to wonders in this century. It's hard to dazzle us. But for twenty-five years the United States space program has been doing just that. We've grown used to the idea of space, and perhaps we forget that we've only just begun. We're still pioneers. They, the members of the Challenger crew, were pioneers.
And I want to say something to the schoolchildren of America who were watching the live coverage of the shuttle's takeoff. I know it is hard to understand, but sometimes painful things like this happen. It's all part of the process of exploration and discovery. It's all part of taking a chance and expanding man's horizons. The future doesn't belong to the fainthearted; it belongs to the brave. The Challenger crew was pulling us into the future, and we'll continue to follow them...
There's a coincidence today. On this day 390 years ago, the great explorer Sir Francis Drake died aboard ship off the coast of Panama. In his lifetime the great frontiers were the oceans, and a historian later said, 'He lived by the sea, died on it, and was buried in it.' Well, today we can say of the Challenger crew: Their dedication was, like Drake's, complete.
The crew of the space shuttle Challenger honoured us by the manner in which they lived their lives. We will never forget them, nor the last time we saw them, this morning, as they prepared for the journey and waved goodbye and 'slipped the surly bonds of earth' to 'touch the face of God.'
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I just spoke to one of the Public Affairs spokespersons for Boeing/Nasa's Space shuttle program immediately after the first report of lost contact thru email via my work (Z-token dialup from home). I know him because we have the same name and I get his emails, he gets mine, by accident when folks send email in the company email system. He's on a flight in 1 hour headed to Texas...he said the crew is gone. (pretty obvious after just now seeing the footage) :(
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Apparently during the launch some pieces of insulation fell off the shuttle and hit the wing, this is suspected that it might have dislodged some of the ceramic tiles in the wing,but this is just preliminary news it's not yet clear.
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Originally posted by -Concho-
just saw the vid on fox, any word on impact area?
Nacogdoches, TX.
Very sad day. :(
Events.
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Originally posted by Glasses
Apparently during the launch some pieces of insulation fell off the shuttle and hit the wing, this is suspected that it might have dislodged some of the ceramic tiles in the wing,but this is just preliminary news it's not yet clear.
An ex-NASA engineer on local TV here just said that the insulation material that fell off is the consistency of styrofoam...kinda like one of those styrofoam ice chests. So, according to him its unlikely that it could have caused any damage. He did say, however that if a piece of ice hit the wing it could have damaged the heat resistant tiles.
My question is this.....if they had even the slightest chance of damage, why didnt they check it out while there were still in space before they attempted re-entry?
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In the past they have used the robotic arm and looked over the exterior with the camera it has.
The shuttle still carries a good amount of very explosive fuel onboard at that point - oxygen tanks too (remember apollo 13) - any number of things could be responsible.
It is a terrible thing, and here we were just begining to think of shuttle flights as routine again. Even I had stopped watching the liftoffs or paying attention to the sonic booms here in Florida anymore. It is a very sad day for us all.
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This is the flight plan from about when they lost her:
08:43:53 AM...Shuttle hits discernible atmosphere
08:49:26 AM...23-degree right roll command
08:56:15 AM...63-degree roll reversal
09:09:29 AM...Velocity less than mach 2.5
09:11:38 AM...Velocity less than mach 1
http://www.cbsnews.com/network/news/space/current.html#CBS%20NEWS%20STATUS%20REPORT
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Originally posted by maxtor
In the past they have used the robotic arm and looked over the exterior with the camera it has.
The shuttle still carries a good amount of very explosive fuel onboard at that point - oxygen tanks too (remember apollo 13) - any number of things could be responsible.
It is a terrible thing, and here we were just begining to think of shuttle flights as routine again. Even I had stopped watching the liftoffs or paying attention to the sonic booms here in Florida anymore. It is a very sad day for us all.
They jettison all fuel before re-entry.
The shuttle lands unpowered.
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Thought you'd like this.
The end credits from Apollo 13, and I find this very appropriate for today's tragedy, a mixture of sorrow for their passing and pride for what these men and women do.
Download here:
http://casal.upc.es/~danig27/theme.mp3 (http://casal.upc.es/~danig27/theme.mp3)
Daniel
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Man I can remember the day I watched the Colombia take off for the very first time when I was a little boy .
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They have national weather service radar tape that shows the debries.. its so big it looks like a storm on radar
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"This morning, Husband, McCool and Chawla checked out the flight control surfaces of Columbia after activating one of the orbiter’s three auxiliary power units in a routine pre-landing test of the Shuttle’s systems. A little later, the crew test-fired the reaction control system jets that will regulate Columbia’s attitude as it begins its fiery re-entry through the Earth’s atmosphere. Opposing jets were fired simultaneously to avoid affecting the spacecraft’s orientation. "
http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/spacenews/reports/sts-107/sts-107-17.html
Not sure how thorough the check was ... but I'm willing to bet the crew took whatever measures they deemed neccesary to assure a safe return.
Originally posted by sling322
My question is this.....if they had even the slightest chance of damage, why didnt they check it out while there were still in space before they attempted re-entry?
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"RCC (Reinforced Carbon-Carbon) or 'carbon-carbon leading edge'
Used as a high-temperature aerodynamic structure, forming the leading edges on the Shuttle's nose and along the wings. These areas are subjected to the highest temperatures and pressures during reentry. Maximum use temperature: 2960°F. The RCC panels are fixed to the Shuttle's structural skeleton by floating joints, which allow for thermal expansion differences between the RCC and the surrounding surface and also serve as a load-dampener. The inside surface of the RCC has a layer of backing insulation, and gap fillers are very important to prevent plasma from getting into the cavities behind the RCC panels and melting key things. RCC doesn't need waterproofing, but replacement of an RCC panel would be a major undertaking similar to replacing a structural member. "
Hate to speculate but If it were this sounds like they wouldn't have been able to fix it anyway.
Challenger was hit before by a small bit of space junk. http://www.popsci.com/popsci/aviation/article/0,12543,334588,00.html Somethign similar could have happened while they were in orbit and they never whould have know it.
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SHIT NO!:( :( :(
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(http://science.ksc.nasa.gov/shuttle/missions/sts-107/sts-107-patch.jpg)
(http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/gallery/images/shuttle/sts-107/lores/sts107-s-002.jpg)
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oh God, this is so sad...
May they all rest in peace...
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Originally posted by Animal
They jettison all fuel before re-entry.
http://quest.arc.nasa.gov/projects/space/astronaut/nov02/11-14-02wp.html
"Shuttle fuel is not dumped before reentry."
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I implore you, guys, let's not politicise this. It's sad and terrible just as it is, no need to bring politics into it.
At least in this forum.
Please.
Daniel
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this is so bad...first Israeli on board-and lots of debris crashes on Palestine.
NASA had just started thinking about missions to Mars and a more ambitious approach, they had just introduced a new format for their website, plus, it's almost the same date Challenger blew up, the 113th mission....
Almost as if somebody is making fun of our feeble attempts to conquer space.
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Originally posted by GScholz
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A little side note: Colonel Ramon of the IAF, son of a Holocaust survivor ...
If I heard correctly, he was also a pilot for the Israeli raid that destroyed the Iraqi nuclear plant several years ago.
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Originally posted by udet
this is so bad...first Israeli on board-and lots of debris crashes on Palestine.
NASA had just started thinking about missions to Mars and a more ambitious approach, they had just introduced a new format for their website, plus, it's almost the same date Challenger blew up, the 113th mission....
Almost as if somebody is making fun of our feeble attempts to conquer space.
Hmmm... two catastrophic failures in nearly twenty years. That's all. IMHO, that's an excellent record. Space flight is exceedingly dangerous.
No reason to stop now...
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Animal: Its diddlying dangerous but WE MUST KEEP DOING IT.
The .gov denied all requests for funding for a better, safer and more advanced shuttle.
We are now paying the price.
Oh, yeah, lets use this tragedy for more socialist "bigger government" propaganda...
miko
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Originally posted by Animal
They jettison all fuel before re-entry.
The shuttle lands unpowered.
I don't believe this is the case. The control rockets are still used for attitude correction during decent prior to the control surfaces becoming usable.
One of the first procedures upon return is for the Orbiter Recovery Convoy to purge the fuels from the engines and lines.
http://science.ksc.nasa.gov/shuttle/technology/sts-newsref/stsover-landing.html
However, before the deorbit burn is performed, the orbiter is turned to a tail-first attitude. (That is, the aft end of the orbiter faces the direction of travel.) At a predesignated time, the OMS engines are fired to slow the orbiter down and to permit deorbit. The RCS thrusters are then used to turn the orbiter back into a nose-first attitude. These thrusters are used during much of the reentry pitch, roll and yaw maneuvering until the orbiter's aerodynamic, aircraft-like control surfaces encounter enough atmospheric drag to control the landing. This is called Entry Interface (EI) and usually occurs 30 minutes before touchdown at about 400,000 ft. At this time, a communications blackout occurs as the orbiter is enveloped in a sheath of plasma caused by electromagnetic forces generated from the high heat experienced during entry into the atmosphere.
As the orbiter glides toward a landing, initially at a velocity of 25,000 feet per second at the EI point, its velocity is gradually slowed by a series of banks and roll reversals. As the atmospheric density increases, the forward RCS thrusters are turned off, while the aft RCS jets continue to maneuver the orbiter until a dynamic pressure of 10 lb. per square foot is sensed by instruments on board. At this point, the ailerons on orbiter's delta-shaped wings begin to operate and the aft RCS roll thrusters are stopped.
When the dynamic pressure reaches 20 lb. per square foot, the orbiter's wing elevators become operational and the RCS pitch thrusters are stopped. A speed brake on the vertical tail opens when the orbiter's velocity falls below Mach 10. Then, at Mach 3.5, the rudder is activated and the final RCS burns -- the yaw jets -- are stopped. The orbiter is now at an altitude of 45,000 ft., and is beginning what are called "area energy management maneuvers" which enable it to intercept the landing approach corridor at the desired altitude and velocity.
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I'm thankful for the explorers who seek answers, push the limits, and dedicate themselves to others' advancement.
truly a sad day
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Look at it this way. What company can say they have had only two inflight failures within the last twenty year. As of today NASA is operating on an 18 year average for in inflight accidents. To my knowledge I don't think any other company (well Quantas airlines maybe) can hold the same distinction of such a long running safety record. Even though I am not a gambler I would take the odds of 2 out of 113 as something happening. Something went wrong with the Challenger and something went wrong today. As a result of the Challenger accident they (being NASA) has more stringent protocols for launching of space craft. You can only think that if they can ever possibly recontruct what happened with this one then they will develop even more safeguards.
On one of the News channels this morning they interviewed Buzz Aldrin. He said that not very long ago his company had started preliminary talks with NASA about integrating an escape capsule into the Shuttle 2 designs that are supposedly starting up right now. I don't think that NASA can afford to go through another 2 year (or more) shutdown of all Shuttle launches and survive. But that is a serious drop off the subject at hand. My families prayers and thoughts go out to the family members of all the crew members.
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Originally posted by miko2d
Animal: Its diddlying dangerous but WE MUST KEEP DOING IT.
The .gov denied all requests for funding for a better, safer and more advanced shuttle.
We are now paying the price.
Oh, yeah, lets use this tragedy for more socialist "bigger government" propaganda...
miko
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I heard it and saw it this morning.
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STS-107, Shuttle Columbia, Your crew has found a place in all of our hearts... We keep you in our prayers :(
R.I.P. Shuttle Columbia (February 1st, 2003)
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God be with the astronauts and their families. :(
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WTF :(
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You're right GSchloz. I don't know of one but I also don't know of another company/organization that routinely puts people outside of the earths atmosphere with this small amount of loss of life and actual incidents. Well the Russians do it and supposedly the Chinese are going to as well but they (Russians) have had a significantly larger loss of life with their space program. At least that is what I have read in the last several years.
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The only comparison I was making to commercial aviation is that nearly every airline in the US has had several accidents inflight. They tend to be more common place than what is seen by NASA but with NASA since the US government funds the organization it gets put squarely into the picture when they have the smallest little slow down due to a crack in a water line at ground control or a crack in a fuel line on the shuttle itself.
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Just put our flag up half staff in front of the house. Very sad. :(
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Shuttle Commander Rick D. Husband
Pilot William C. McCool
Payload Commander Michael P. Anderson
Mission Specialist David M. Brown
Mission Specialist Kalpana Chawla
Mission Specialist Laurel Clark
Mission Specialist Ilan Ramon
I well remember the Challenger in 1986. They put it on the TVs in each classroom and we watched it for the rest of the day. Even now I have to change the channel when I see that footage begin to roll. Watching it over and over and over and over and over on that January day has imprited it in my mind.
Today is very sad.:(
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Originally posted by Animal
Mi miedo mas grande es que se asusten por los riesgos, y tengan miedo a empujar adelante esta ciencia tan importante. Inconcientemente estaran deshonorando aquellos que murieron para lograr todos estos avances.
Son mas que super heroes.
I doubt that will happen. We didnt stop exploring after the first catastrophic failure. I am sure after a standdown until the nature of this one is found, we shall again go into space.
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This is truly awful, just like last time. :(
What weird is we were discussing "where you were when Challenger went up" only a few days ago.
(http://image1ex.villagephotos.com/extern/640697.jpg)
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A tragedy for all mankind, a sad day indeed.
Tronsky
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Originally posted by miko2d
Oh, yeah, lets use this tragedy for more socialist "bigger government" propaganda...
miko
I wanted to puke when I saw Dan Rather inject comments from Iraqi citizens into the coverage.
It didn't take long for the good puppy talking heads in the media to spin this story.
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The space program is something that all mankind takes pride in. It is a international symbol of mankinds united efforts to explore our destiny. Our future is in space. To ignore this fact is to deny our curiosty, and our natural desire to explore. This is not a dark day for America or Iseral, it is a dark day for mankind as a whole.
The venture star program should have been finished years ago. Shuttles like the Columbia should have been put out to pasture 10 years ago.
Those that scream big government, take a look at NASA's budget compared to that of the military, its nothing. 200million dollars a jet for a F22? Im glad the president has said that flights will continue, but he has broken his word in the past, and is responisible for alot of NASA cutbacks. So we shall see.
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The goverment cant afford an advanced space fleet, but they can afford a fleet of unnecessary B-2 Spirits which are even more expensive.
I hope Bush does something great and increases NASA's shoe-string budget.
If the contrary takes place, then these deaths will be in vain.
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Do not make any attempts to turn this into a political agenda. I am not in the mood for it.
7 heroes died today.
If you want to make it political. Take it somewhere else and that is more than just a suggestion.
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Animal: Its diddlying dangerous but WE MUST KEEP DOING IT.
The .gov denied all requests for funding...
miko: Oh, yeah, lets use this tragedy for more socialist "bigger government" propaganda...
Animal: :confused:
Here is the way I learned about the today's disaster:
I was playing with my 16 month-old son around 1PM totaly oblivious to outside world, when I got a call from Republican National Committee. They ask me for contributions more frequently than I'd like but this time it started as "Do you wish to contribute some money to Republican Party in view of this morning's tragedy?"
I had no idea what she was talking about - I thought it was a terror act or major loss of US troops or worse, so I politely told her to f@$k off and turned on the radio and the computer to check this board. I was relieved to learn it was just a bad accident, not a foul play of major proportions.
I expected to see a lot of sorrow and condolences and technical discussion related to the explosions but hoped that people would have decency to wait with political statements untill later.
I have a strong opnion on the shuttle program that may be quite opposite to the view in your post. I did not want to elaborate in my reply to your post and I will not do it now. I will be happy to discuss it in a separate thread if anyone cares.
If your "WE MUST KEEP DOING IT" ment humanity should explore, exploit and settle space in a free and competituve manner open to all that would produce the best method - then sorry, I overreacted.
But it sounded like you wanted US government to spend more of our money on unsafe and wastefull projects pushed by NASA bureaucrats under false pretexts. If so, you are entitled to your opinion but a memorial thread is not the best place for it.
miko
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From the news briefing... minutes before breakup, they lost telemetry to the left wing ailerons, then lost telemetry to the left tire pressure, then had extreme temp readings in the left wing structure. So it appears at this time the left wing burned/broke off.
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No, you over-reacted.
What I meant was that we must not give up on our exploration of space and that the goverment should make a bigger effort to support it.
Now I'll drop it before Skuzzy goes ballistic, even though I'm saying what those astronauts really supported.
As for the accident, data seems to point to vertical stabilizer failure.
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the shuttles structure most likely just crumbled due to stress. time will tell if it was due to old age or because of a damaged system.
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I am ballistic,..with disgust.
7 people died in a tragedy today and you guys want to BS about your own political agendas? In a thread where people are trying to honor those that died!
If you have so little humanity that you cannot fathom what happened today, then you need to go someplace else and I would be happy to provide that mechanism.
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This wont stop us from going into space. The fact that these men and women knew the dangers and kept going inspires us even more.
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SKZ, check your email.
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No ofince, but alot of you people tring to change this into a political battle are sick A* F****
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Truly sad. :mad:
Space exploration one of the finest landmarks of mankind, where different cultures can join and be proud without any political barriers. I couldnt think of any better place for people to commit their results of labour.
Its just amazing they can do these missions with such a low casualty rate. Talk about trusting your life to the mathemathics, sadly seems like this time they didnt have all the equations available..It must be horrible day to the support crew on the ground, just think of yourself watching this on live from the big screen..:(
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Unbelievable it happened again, i'm just aware of it a few minutes
to the crew and condoleances to their family's
I hope space flight will be safer in the future (new spacecraft?)
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Is this a reaction to my post about Dan Rathers comments?
Originally posted by Skuzzy
Do not make any attempts to turn this into a political agenda. I am not in the mood for it.
7 heroes died today.
If you want to make it political. Take it somewhere else and that is more than just a suggestion.
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It would be nice to be able to download the ending score from "The Right Stuff" and play it in the memory of those lost in our struggle into space. That piece gives the right mixture of soaring aspiration and drama.
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Thanks for the update Hortlund.
I haven't been watching it after this morning, will prolly tune in tonite after the media has calmed down and they start reporting something informational about it.
Originally posted by Hortlund
From the news briefing... minutes before breakup, they lost telemetry to the left wing ailerons, then lost telemetry to the left tire pressure, then had extreme temp readings in the left wing structure. So it appears at this time the left wing burned/broke off.
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Very sad day. :(
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columbia!!:(
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Kinda hard o see, but I saw this twisting contrail in the sky late morning.
Follow it up and right from the TV antenna.
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"Breathe deep, mine eyes, the frosty saga of eternal suns. From unseen depths and dreams undreamt, I sing the gleaming cantos of unvanquished space. By thought I embrace the universal. With wings of mind I sail the infinitude. Glory! 'tis the stars which beckon man's spirit and set our souls adrift."
--Unknown
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Flakbait [Delta6]
Delta Six's Flight School (http://www.worldaccessnet.com/~delta6)
Put the P-61B in Aces High
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Originally posted by flakbait
"Breathe deep, mine eyes, the frosty saga of eternal suns. From unseen depths and dreams undreamt, I sing the gleaming cantos of unvanquished space. By thought I embrace the universal. With wings of mind I sail the infinitude. Glory! 'tis the stars which beckon man's spirit and set our souls adrift."
--Unknown
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Flakbait [Delta6]
Delta Six's Flight School (http://www.worldaccessnet.com/~delta6)
Put the P-61B in Aces High
Thanks Flak. A wonderful post indeed.
to our lost heroes! :(
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Folks,
Don't waste time speculating on what happened. Let the professionals do thier investigation and make the determination. That is their job and you can be sure they wish they didn't have to be doing it.
Remember the ones we lost and keep their families in your prayers.
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Interesting-I just heard about it on the news. Pieces of insulation from the tank have fallen on the shuttle in 9 previous flights-6 times of which it happened to Columbia. My guess is, this ship had some vibration problems. Probably increased the fatigue on its structure, and the result is today's tragedy.
40% of the STS fleet lost in catastrophic accidents. only 3 shuttles left. No plans to build a new shuttle.A new spacecraft that would replace the shuttle- it would take 10-15 years. I'm sorry to say it, but I feel very disilusioned about the state of the space program.
If bureaucracy and shoe-string budget continue to plague NASA, I'm afraid those seven people died in vain :mad: :(
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I woke up, checked cnn.com and saw lots of stories about the shuttle Columbia.
COlumbia is the only piece of hardware to have legendary status in my eyes. Now it's gone, along with 7 brave men and women.
to those heroes, my thoughts are with their familes and friends.
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4 Troopers from my area just got deployed to secure the debris area. Looks like I'm in the relief wave.... :(