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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: BotaBing on June 11, 2000, 04:28:00 PM
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The loser Panzer drivers who make a solo raid on an airfield, sit next to a hangar, and pick of planes coming onto the runway.
I swear, in the last week, I have noticed more and more people pulling this lame bellybutton stunt, which in my opinion is a clear abuse of a game bug.
Some guy rolls a panzer towards an airfield where there is no action happening. The airfield anti-aircraft guns, all of them, are laying down a massive stream of shots at his Panzer tank. For some reason, it has ZERO effect, and he can sit there as long as he likes. 2 nights ago, I watched a guy sit in an enemy airbase in a Panzer for 20minutes.
Meanwhile, someone on the enemy team sees a red dot in his base, so he rolls a plane out of there. The guy snags him on the runway, or on the first low-E pass. Easy kill. Meanwhile, he has positioned himself to be pointing at the ground-vehicle tent, and has easy first kills on anyone who tries to roll a tank out to fight him.
Eventually, after 5 or 6 kills, someone snags him, but he's racked up a 6 to 1 kill ratio.
Incredible cheese. Honestly, the kill stats are losing their meaning to me when I see how easy it is for people to abuse the game and get kills.
I really hate to be a whiner, but its cheese-balls like this that ruin a game for me.
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Are you saying a fighter should be able to take off from a field which has enemy tanks nearby? The easy solution is to jump in a tank and go 1 on 1, which is probably what the tank driver wants anyway. He drove 20 minutes to get there and you just want him to let you take off in a HogC so you can strafe him?
[This message has been edited by ra (edited 06-11-2000).]
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All this will change with 1.03. A tanks not gonna be able to sit there with impunity when the more powerful acks get a bead on him.
"The generic ack has been replaced with multiple types including high alt flak bursts. Light and heavy MGs, 20mm's, 37-40mm's, and 88's are now represented with their own characteristics."
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The ack will hurt you, but it takes a long time. Remember, you are sitting there in an armored vehicle. If you play it right you can take all the ack down without dying or taking significant damage.
Lame for getting to a spawn point and killing people popping on the runway? I don't think so, especially when it is easy to lift off from another base and take the guy out. If you keep respawning on the same field and get killed, well, you need to re-evaluate your technique. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) As Ra said, one F4U is more than a match for any tank, and you can get the guy in nothing flat from most nearby fields.
Spend some time in a tank. Try to roll that thing up on a heavily defended field. You will quickly see there are plenty of hawg pilots that will hand you your head post-haste (and I would be one!). Isolated attacks on neglected fields are part of the game, and it is a good thing IMHO. You want that guy to stop? Bomb his Vehicle Hangar at whatever VBase he is spawning from. Level the ack (there are only 2) and bring in the goon. No more tanks at your airfield! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
FWIW, I only consider something terribly off when there is no solution to a particular problem. In earlier versions, B17's could go way above the effective interception altitude of any fighter in the game. Now (with the advent of the P38) this is no longer the problem it was, so it is only a minor annoyance. People used to hate the fact that endless respawn enabled single-plane base defense. With destroyable hangars, defense of a base can be made nearly impossible. Now if someone strafes your troops on the runway, you have only yourself to blame.
See what I mean? There are ways to eliminate the behavior you dilike (in your area). Some people are enjoying the game as it is, and eliminating a feature you dislike (when you have the tools to prevent it yourself) is not a good idea. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
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There are plenty of spins that don't relate to my post, and I agree with most of what's posted here.
The point I am talking about is how CHEESY it is for someone to be able to sit, in one single tank, in the middle of an active enemy airbase and just pick people off.
Its cheap, easy kills, and its an exploit. There is no way that a tank could withstand direct fire from 8 anti-aircraft guns for 20 minutes.
Also, its not 5 or 6 kills of the same guy, its the fact that some times they dont show up on the radar, and people just take off there thinking things are normal, and pow some tank hiding inside a hangar smokes them on the runway.
there is no way to defend that type of play, and there is no way to kill them with an airplane if they are using the hangar trick.
Also, if the do it like i saw the other night, they are parked in a hangar, facing the ground vehicle tent, and they just smoke the enemy tanks as they spawn because they are already set up with how far it is to the tent, etc.
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Tanks are going to have real fun if the 88's at the base start firing at them 3 miles out (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Udie
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It seems to bother you most that the guy is well rewarded for this tactic. To be rewarded however he has to have idiots that will spawn under his guns. As most everyone have pointed out, the panzer is easy meat for any half decent hawg driver all it takes is the patience to fly 10 miniutes form another base for a sure kill.(or a panzer ditch). Either way it takes you alot less time to wreck his fun than it did for him to set it up.
I dont see this as real probelm. It is probably the intention of most panzer drivers. Its not cheesy or dweeby.
IMHO
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"Stupids are like flies. they are everywere, but are easy to kill"
RAM
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BotaBing, I just go somewhere else.
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Yeah thats what I do now as well.
What bothers me is that he gets a reward in the scores/ranking, and I get a penalty.
2 or 3 nights ago, I logged in, went to what appeared to be a deserted airfield, and got in a plane to start taking off. Within 15 seconds, some loser in a tank hidden inside a hangar had me killed.
He gets a kill for the ranks. I get a death for the ranks. Total cheese.
There was zero chance for me to see him, zero realisticness in him sitting in our base taking ack fire all that time, and zero honor in that kind of kill.
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Well, whatever the scoring system is, some people will do silly things to exploit it. Just ignore them and try to have fun.
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The airfield anti-aircraft guns, all of them, are laying down a massive stream of shots at his Panzer tank. For some reason, it has ZERO effect, and he can sit there as long as he likes.
SAY WHAT!?!
He is a tank. A figgin TANK! That the point. He really IS immune to small caliber weapons. All that armor isn't there for looks.
Why the hell are you trying to take off from an airbase that has been overrun by the enemy's army? There is no rule saying the enemey cannot fire at you till you are ready.
Your not making much sense.
Hans.
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Sorry Funked, can't agree on it being silly to hide in a tank to get kills. That is being smart... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
If you pop onto a base and see the ack going crazy, you know it is shooting for a reason. What's more, you need only get popped once to realize something is wrong at the base. There are ways to detect ground vehicles, if you pay attention.
BotaBing, you are taking a pretty hard line on the subject by saying there is "no honor" in a tank making an attack on an undefended base. Again, I strongly suggest you try riding in a tank a while and learning just what the limitations are. You will see that stealth is the only way to hope to survive lone-wolf forays into the world of AH. Tankers have rightfully been concerned with the difficulty in surviving a mission, let alone scoring any kills.
I don't mean to suggest I believe everything is perfect, but how would you suggest a tanker might be honorable in an attack at a base, without guaranteeing instant destruction (for the tank)?
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If there is a lone tank at the field you have a few different options available. For starters he can't keep target of all the hangars, unless some have already been destroyed. Either go head to head in another pnzr (choose HE/AP and you can get two rounds off very quick!), or go up in a plane with cannons/bombs from either the runway or hangar. If it has the runway sighted then go across the grass.
I always look from the Tower before taking off so you should see if there is any enemy present.
Regards
'Nexx'
[This message has been edited by Replicant (edited 06-11-2000).]
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Hehe maybe some of you didnt read all my posts in this thread, or maybe you're not grasping what I'm talking about, or maybe I should just lower my expectations...but I guess my point was that one enemy tank is not going to "overrun" an entire airbase.
In case you have never seen an anti-aircraft gun fire, let me assure you its impressive. Not to mention an entire field of AA guns, which are not just small munitions, but which include ammunition of various size and loads and functions.
The idea that one single tank could roll into an active armed airbase and sit there for over 20 minutes is far-fetched to say the least.
The other night, I moved to an airfield, had no clue whatsoever that there was a tank there, and started to taxi. Pow, 15 seconds, I'm dead, got another death, and he got another kill.
That's not smart, its not good strategy, its a joke or an exploit, and I really don't see any other explanation in this thread so far that can justify someone acting like that.
Of course there are lots of options, as I promptly returned in a hog and destroyed him.
I'm excited to hear about the new guns going in, because it should make for a much more realistic environment. I'm sorry, but there's simply no way possible that one single tank could park in the middle of an armed and active air field and just plink off unsuspecting planes for 20 minutes.
[This message has been edited by BotaBing (edited 06-11-2000).]
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I think putting up with the noise the AA guns make with all those hits is reason enough...it's worse then getting killed (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
- Jig
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Oh, I grasp what you are saying very clearly.
I never intended to sound condescending (though your last post was a bit IMHO).
I won't argue whether a real tank could sit on a field full of AA and survive. I think the truth is that, unless that AA is cannon, the tank would last a while anyway.
What I am trying to say to you is that you have not spent much time in a tank if you believe they are super in any way. What I am saying is that stealth is the only way a solo pilot can be successful in one. What I am saying is that you can tell before you ever launch if there is a tank on the field- all you have to do is look around.
I think you are being harsh on the topic because of a bad experience. That is your choice, but I offer the other side only to help you understand why it happens, and the validity of the tactic. As it stands now, there is precious little else in the game for the tanker.
Anyway, I am through trying here, as you are convinced in your viewpoint. Sorry if I didn't give the appearance of "grasping your point". (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
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Ack will kill a tank. I know, its killed me when I got too close to ack. Takes a few minutes, and they are long long minutes listening to that damn pinging sound. You have to kill your speakers to avoid going crazy and deaf. My point is, ack WILL kill a tank, he doesnt sit there with imunity.
Now, if someone chooses to respawn there after a tank kills him, he deserves to die.
Getting killed the first time is just the way it goes. You could always do like I do, when in the tower, before you click "fly", scan the airfield so see if its safe. It only takes a couple seconds.
I have done that, seen a tank nearby, and jumped in a panzer myself instead of a plane.
Now, stop your complaining because of your score.
Dago
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Hard to believe a tank would sit at an ememy base for 20 minutes and not kill the ack and half of the hangers.
[This message has been edited by Rock (edited 06-11-2000).]
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Maybe I'm jilted by a bad experience, probably because I've only been playing less than 2 weeks.
However, it sure feels a lot different when you are killed by a "raid" of tanks and m16's who are assaulting a base, as opposed to one guy whose been camped out inside a hangar in your base for 20 minutes, who you couldn't see, who didnt show up on radar, who basically you had zero ability to do anyting about the first time.
Where I'm from, that's cheese.
You can tell why he was there, because he would only pick off airplanes, and was ignoring the bomber scores of attacking the AA. He didnt attack the hangar because he was using it as cover.
I guess we are just supposed to assume there is noone in the base, noone with grenades, rockets, artillery, heavy weapons, etc, and that this tank could just sit there for 20 minutes in a barrel shoot.
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Cheesy panzers! *zzzzzzzrt*
Cheesy panzers! *zzzzzzzrt*
Cheesy panzers! *zzzzzzzrt*
Cheesy panzers! *zzzzzzzrt*
Cheesy panzers! *zzzzzzzrt*
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BotaBing..
Couple things
1st. While the current AAA will not "generally" kill a tank,, it will track it and or kill the engine. (just takes a LOT of hits and a long time to accomplish it)
2nd.
Using what little cover the enemy hangar affords, doesn't sound "cheesy" to me.
(just so you know,, friendly fire will go right through the hangar and any other building/structure, talk about "cheesy")
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Just like the AAA on the field will continue to ping the tank through all obstacles.
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If you had been the driver of that tank on an enemy field, wouldn't you have set up to cover the Vhangar??? and possibly as many launch points for planes as possible???
(if not, whats wrong with you..)
5th Would you have used yer entire load of ammo to knock down the vhangar, 2 ftr hangars and the AAA, only to have no ammo when any of the structures came back up???
(tanks carry 87 rds of ammo, it takes 20 to knock down a hangar. Not to mention if ya take the vhangar down 1st, by the time you get the 2 ftr hangars, and the aa, the vhangar is back.)
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If I can draw even 2 aircraft from the airwar, isn't that being a possible major contribution to my side? (hmm sounds tactically sound to me) Those two aircraft trying to take me out, (which I have survived for as much as 32 minutes, with 14 kills, only 4 of which I actually shot at.)
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If I can get on the field of a major launch point for raids against my side, and tie up several aircraft for however long, thus giving my beleagured airfield in the next sector some respite, am I doing my job???
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Tanks never show on Radar, (only show on sector bars)
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What is obviously "cheesy" to you, is also obviously a good, viable, tactically, and strategically sound function of a tank within this game.
10th.
Look at my stats for tour 5.(SCGreyB) All but 4 or 5 of the bomber sorties are in panzers. My k/d is not great. I die a lot more often than I get onto a field.
Whats Cheesy to me is the no-sack f4u-1c guys that hunt nuthing but tanks, will alt/f4 out when they get tagged so as not to die, or they come up in panzer, get crippled and bail. over and over again.
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GreyBeard, Squadron Leader
Commander, "E" Flight, Aces High
Senior Staff Council
"The Skeleton Crew"
"Fly with Honor"[/i]
"Keepin' the Faith"
[This message has been edited by SC-GreyBeard (edited 06-12-2000).]
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Hmm there are no trees, there are no battlelines,people on one side can fly planes from any nationality,10 paratroops can take an airbase,and you say you've discovered ONE cheesy thing? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) there is such a thing as a concession to gameplay.
Yes it's not realistic, but then again what's realistic about spotting something as small as a tank from 4 miles and 10,000 feet?
We DATs (Dumb bellybutton Tankers) labor under a game system that wasn't really designed for ground vehicles, and we still soldier on, so why all of a sudden do people need to throw reality [Tm.] into it? Yeah folks, let's do this for real, ok first i'd move up under cover, then when I got a good visual picture of the target area, I'd either whistle up an airstrike, or have arty pound it flat, then I'd drive in and machingun the survivors (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Peace folks, enjoy the damn game, I'm hearing waaay to much complaining about small stuff, and it's becoming far more annoying then some of the things in the game.
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pzvg- "5 years and I still can't shoot"
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First off while I'll often lonewolf attack a field in a tank I'll ALWAYS kill the ack.
If I can take the ack down & nail anyone trying to roll a couple of times there is a good chance of someone being able to sneak a C47 in for the capture.
Even if I'm not going for the capture that ack really messes with your brain after a while! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I have died to it before I could shut it all down, lost tracks, engs often. As to getting plane kills on the runway when they are rolling I think I have about 15 total. Considering the time I've spent in tanks since 1.02 came out thats not many!
Personally I die MUCH more often to a low F4u vulching the field than to an enemy tank. I've seen one F4u take out an entire column of tanks, land to rearm & come back up to catch the 2nd wave!
So when I do get that once a week chance to bust a plane on the ground does it feel cheesy to me? LOL think again, thats REVENGE! And sweet it is indeed.
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I've seen this a few times too. Always the same guy too (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) My first thought is what a dweeb, and he deserves to die. I take tiffy, 1000lb bombs ,and 1/4 fuel, and I forget about the runway, just roll in a direction other than directly towards or away from him. Only once I didnt make it up, and I managed to ditch that time so he didnt get the kill, once you are up he is dead, or he will ditch himself, either way problem solved. Seen him rack up 15 kills once, It was obvious the sole reason he was there was to do just that. Makes killing him that much sweeter (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but only at A27 this can be made in a reasonable amount of time (I mean getting to an enemy airfield). Why, instead of complaining, don't you take V56 (I'm talking by heart) out?. I feel like loooooong driving time should have some rewards. And this is one of the few (until 1.03 arrives, that is).
I had suffer myself this situation: I was fiting Dinger at 27 who made a real pain to take off. I was killed time after time (5 times in a row, if my memory suits me well), but never felt he was doing unfair movements, in fact he stayed there until the bitter end <S>, instead of ditching. It was just me making the tactically wrong movements (but the funny ones). I could easily t/o from another field. Of course, that was not very scorewise on my part. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
No cheesy movements that I can think.
Cheers,
Pepino
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I think GMAN holds the record for spawn killing from a tank...23 kills, HiTech is 2nd with something like 14. Hey, HiTech, this guy is calling you a dweeb! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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I like to try different tactics every few weeks to keep the game interesting. I discovered 2 weeks ago that you can get to A27 from NW spawn point of v56 in about 2 minutes riding the hill in "N". You get your tank up to 200mph...is it real?...of course not but this is a game...wake up !!!!Now was it fun...wow...most fun I have had in a while, trying to keep that tank from flipping. 1st move I make is to take out vehicle hanger w/ AE and HE (can rapid fire quicker...10 shots each and hanger, dead. Then I focus on the AA, got to bring it down because the noise wakes the kids...The I try to nail the fighter hangers...then I wait on the runway until goon arrives. Now how successful have I been trying to take this field w/ one tank and goon????....never. Once we had the goon get there but the rooks had planes on the way from A1 just in time to kill the goon and my tank. Many times panzers spawn before I can get to A27 and they have a field day shooting the lights out of me as a kamakazi towards them at 200mph. It is impossible to fire back at them going this fast and have a chance to hit em. However, w/ the rook tank standing still and leading me w/ AE rounds they eventually find there mark. If you have noticed, V56 has become a field that is traded hands several times a night the past few weeks. Cobra and gang has done a excellent job reacting to my kamakzi tactics and when they get fed up they just take 56 or close it atleast. As a tanker the last few weeks, it is hard to kill planes taking off, knock down the hangers and AA, and not survive more than 2 minutes at the base doing it. I admit that the 1st or 2nd time I did this I got 17 kills in my tank, what I couldn't understand is why the planes kept spawning infront of me when the Veh. base was available. It did feel cheap blowing away 17 planes....but I am not doing it for the score. In 4 years of online flight sims, only one month in WB did I try to concentate on a good score. I am in it for the GAME, and fun w/ other people w/ similar interests. Bye the way these tactics at A27 does draw a lot of attention, which takes the heat off the Kights at another field. Thanks AH for a fun game....1.03 will make tank driving even more fun...wait until smoke arrives he, he.
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What Deluxe said!
In fact, Deluxe has me trained like Paplov's dog now. Everytime I log on (and several times during the night) I check A27 for that telltale red marker in the grid.
If it's there then I go there immediately and if the vhangar is still up, I'll grab a tank and shoot it out. If they have it zeroed in and I'm getting killed alot, then I grab something w/hispanos (usually typhoon or -1C) and try to get off the ground. (and before anyone can say dweeb this or dweeb that, I'll take the most effective tool to get the job done..if after this release 190's are the best tank busters, then that's what I'll fly. I fly with the deck handed to me, no big deal. Actually in anticipation of a change, I'm been practicing w/the Typhoon loaded w/rockets lately, and boy do I need the practice.)
Once it looks like a major threat is really coming, we just try to take back V56. All in all though, it has been a blast w/Deluxe and Rip and a bunch others there! <S>
Cobra
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BTW Cobra you nailed me w/ rockets in your Typhoon. I saw them screaming at me in my tank and thought they would miss. Next thing I knew I was in the tower he, he. Bye the way, ya don't have to worry about me calling in the goons to get A27, I don't want it. So leave V56 alone would ya. He, he. ......out.
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BotaBing;
I respect your efforts to get the game changed.
By now you have cooled off a bit on this subject. Keep in mind that "There are no set rules!".
There is no reason that another player is going to follow what you perceive to be the "correct" way to play. Players will and do play in any form the game allows. You just have to get over it and most importantly change your tactics.
One problem that I do see is the spawning points of vehicles. Vehicles are allowed to spawn from positions that are not documented on the map.
There is no map marker to signify:
- Non-hanger or runway spawn piont is right here...
- Come park on MY spawn point...
- Waste me at your leasure 3 seconds after I spawn...
The game gives this advantage to vehicles, particularly tanks.
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Mino
The Wrecking Crew
"I have returned"
Mitzu
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Minatour,
You have made the most logical and sensible response to Botabings initial post. Just my 2 cents.
Gorf
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I guess my disgust with what I have seen stems from something that's actually pretty positive.
All in all, this game has a the highest caliber group of players that I've ever been involved with. Highly skilled, mostly polite, and a bunch on honorable gentlemen. When someone pulls what looks like a cheesy stunt, it really sticks out like a sore thumb.
I know that technically, nothing is 'illegal' about doing this tank thing, but realistically, its pretty low-brow.
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Look, Bota, an allied or axis tank driver could only dream of an A/C coming in so low on the deck at such close quarters as people fly their A/C against tanks in AH.
1st, you should never be at guns elevation level of a tank, they are restricted to a certain elevation, what are you doing down that low? 2nd, most tankers won't release a shot until the A/C is within 500 yards (approx.1/4 mile) since they know the accuracy is not there. So, if you've been shot down by tanks, just put a sign on your back that says "Kick Me" because you failed to do what the actual pilots used to do, stay an a high AoA to avoid sticking their nose where it doesn't belong, down the end of a big bellybutton barrel.
As far as gunning a spawn point, take off from another field, and strafe the sucker!
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Ripsnort(-rip1-)
~GeschwaderKommodore~I./JG2~Richthofen~[/i]
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Panzer Group Afrika~15th Panzer Division~[/i]
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I spare no class or cult or creed,
My course is endless through the year.
I bow all heads and break all hearts,
All owe homage-I am Fear.
-------------General Patton
[This message has been edited by Ripsnort (edited 06-12-2000).]
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To repost my point from above, what I'm complaining about was a tank that was hidden inside our own hangar, not appearing on the map or visible from the tower, and who popped me on the runway 15seconds after I got in my plane.
Im NOT complaining about getting shot by a tank who is fighting straight-up.
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Originally posted by BotaBing:
To repost my point from above, what I'm complaining about was a tank that was hidden inside our own hangar, not appearing on the map or visible from the tower, and who popped me on the runway 15seconds after I got in my plane.
Im NOT complaining about getting shot by a tank who is fighting straight-up.
Oh, misread, DOH! So, whats the complaint again? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) That would have been Mighty1,Deluxe, or me that most likely killed you since that's my favorite spot. (56??27)
I prefer the first hangar, since I can train my guns on the whole field except for the V-depot, which I usually destroy before taking cover inside the hangar. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Ripsnort(-rip1-)
~GeschwaderKommodore~I./JG2~Richthofen~[/i]
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Panzer Group Afrika~15th Panzer Division~[/i]
(http://saintaw.tripod.com/ripsnort.jpg)
I spare no class or cult or creed,
My course is endless through the year.
I bow all heads and break all hearts,
All owe homage-I am Fear.
-------------General Patton
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Hey Rip,
If ya hide inside the hangers can enemy planes shoot ya from above or will it just hit the building??? If they come low to hit ya then ya got em lined up in your sites huh??? Clever!!! Gotta try it at 27 CYA
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BotaBing,
Spend a night trying to do what that tanker did and you might have a little more respect for him.
I am mainly a fighter jock, but every now and then I get a bug up my butt to drive a tank to a field to break things and kill people and I have never made it all the way to an aircraft hanger by myself(at least 75 tries).
Now I dont know if its a lack of skill,bad luck or a bit of both, but I say to anyone who makes it, MMAARRROOOOFFF!!!
Shamus
The Fighting Meese
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I'm one of the guys who will sit at a base and kill anything that moves..so what? If you don't like it start at another base.
I can't kill everything myself so I shoot at what ever I can and if someone is stupid enough to try and take off close to me I'm going to kill him.
BTW the record kills is 39 but I can't remeber who it was. He sat next to a spawn point and some doofus popped up 39 times before he figured it out.
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Mighty1
The New Baby Harp Seals
"Come try to club THIS Seal"
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...still searching for the perfect 87-kill streak... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Like I said, whatever the scoring system is, some people will do silly things to exploit it. Just ignore them and try to have fun.
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If I logon to the MA and my fellow furry critter mighty1 is there, I'll sit beside him and we take turns banging them as they respawn. It works great so one of us can take a beer break while the other continues the vulch fest. Great fun, as is the downhill 200 mph field 27 routine.
Badger
The New Baby Harp Seals
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Damn.. as usual; I get there too late. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Hey; Mighty1, remember the lessons you gave me on tanks there at a27?? I learned that tanks are lethal, tanks can be killed, tanks can and will (if allowed) carry the fight right to your base. (thanks again Mighty1, I had a blast that night)
I also learned how to avoid gettin killed by one (stay high) and how to react to a persistent armor attack.. kill the vbase it comes from. ]
Further; I learned that when a27 is being hit hard by armor that c47's will be comming from the south. How this fer dweebery.. I stalked goons and their escorts for two hours, racking up more than 15 kills picking off the air support for the tanks attacking the field... and ignored the tanks... they may dominate a field, but they cannot capture it (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) (yet)
Armor adds a new twist to the game.. it tends to keep field defenders low.. they are going for the easy kills against the tracks instead of reupping from a clear field and comming to their base at high alt for bomber and fighter cap. Makes my sortie sweet by assisting our friendly armor and killin all those low flying defenders tryin to pick off friendly armor.
Yep.. it's a game, room for a wide array of tactics and playing styles. If score cards are yer flying style; then armor is not a factor at all.. those guys crawling thru the mud may look like easy targets; but gettin at them leaves you naked and helpless for a fast rape job from somebody like me sittin on top. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) If score cards are of paramount importance to you; you better learn how to fight at 35k and always up from an isolated field to get there. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
BotaBing.. sorry; I appreciate your shock on learning that diffrent tactical situations exist than you had originally acommodated in your own gaming style.. but their existence does not in any way infer that the other guys tactics are 'cheeze'. If he got yah, you made the mistake.. not the other guy, and not the developer.
Good luck! (and thats a part of this game too)
Hang
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VH comes up waay to fast IMO after being destroyed
SKurj
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Wanna Stop Stone temporarily?
Just dive on him in an F4u, don't even pull the trigger, he'll ditch by the time your ordnance hits the ground anyways 90% of the time
SKurj
Ditchin in a tank should be credited a kill to the closest attacker
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A better way to stop attacking tanks is to roll tanks. At least this is the fun way for both sides. Throw a F4U in and *poof* goes the fun.
Az
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Si tacuisses, philosophus manisses.
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As to reality: I believe I've read an account of a single Russian tank rampaging a German air feild on the eastern front. Pilots were killed, I believe the HQ was literally flattend and no aircraft took off. <dregging memory lane> I also...think....what stopped him was while flattening a building, he rolled off into a basement and got stuck. The ack was not an issue.
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Vlad the Impaler ;)
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Heya Ripsnort, I think my squady Smut has the most Panzer kills I've heard of.
The first week they were out he parked at an enemy field in support of an assault. He racked up I think 34 kills. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Most were spawn-point kills, sometimes multiples to a shell. I'm sure he picked up a bunch of kills from guys trying to strafe him and augering as well.
Was that cheesy? LOL, who cares, it was really funny. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Why not mine the surrounding ground near an airfield? I'm sure HTC could come up with something. Just one "non" mined path in and out. Bombs could set off mines and, perhaps, clear a path.
Thoughts?
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The only solution is to kill them, repeatedly, if what they are doing pisses you off.
Or ignore them.
Lizking
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Originally posted by Gadfly:
The only solution is to kill them, repeatedly, if what they are doing pisses you off.
Or ignore them.
Lizking
What he said. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Fighting from a hidden location, when you don't show up on radar, when you aren't realistically affected by the bases defenses, where you pop some fighter within 15 seconds of him entering the plane, where there was postively absolutely zero chance for your 'victim' to avoid the kill is one thing...
cheese.
And if you don't see that, then you're just as cheesy.
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That's "Mr. Cheese" to you!
P.S. Unless your radar facility has been bombed, tanks do show up as a red bar in the sector on radar. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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What Kieren said, plus, as far 27 (or the field your are talking about) is not the only field your country has, the fiter guy has *always* the option of t/o from another airfield (and straffe the tanker then, btw). Always. So, it's false (and cheesy) to say that he has zero chances to avoid the kill.
Cheese
Pepino
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BotaBing,,
Sorry guy,, but you blew it. Unless you are not in the habit of checking the field you are trying to launch from
If you'd taken a moment to step into your tower prior to T.O., you'd have seen exactly where the tank was. Since your AAA were shooting at it.
Guess you "Screwed the pooch"
SC_GreyBeard
the old mean guy inna tank.... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Ok folks, we've labored to give logical,coherent responses to this, and now we get "if you can't see that, then you're cheesy"
Ergo, Botabing woulda like some wine ta go with that?
(Anybody attempting to lift from a vulched field,of any kind, is a candidate for early retirement, most of us know that,and accept the risk,if you have a major bug up your butt about dying due to lack of awareness,then ya really need ta find something better ta do, 'stead of coming here and insulting folks) :|
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pzvg- "5 years and I still can't shoot"
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BOTABING, NO CHEESE SOUP FOR YOU! FOR THAT MATTER, NO SOUP OF ANY TYPE 1 WEEK FOR YOU!
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Originally posted by BotaBing:
Fighting from a hidden location, when you don't show up on radar, when you aren't realistically affected by the bases defenses, where you pop some fighter within 15 seconds of him entering the plane, where there was postively absolutely zero chance for your 'victim' to avoid the kill is one thing...
cheese.
And if you don't see that, then you're just as cheesy.
Not at all. It is the closest thing to real war that we probably have. It takes planning, execution and a good understanding of the STUPIDITY of your enemy.
complaining about something that is so easy to counter is pathetic.
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Hehehe no cheese for me.
Well looks like I struck a nerve with the cheese patrol.
Like I said before, you couldn't see him from the tower. I saw ack streaming at ground level, but there was no tank to see. That told me he was so far out that I couldnt see him, not that he was hiding inside a hangar.
Bottom line - its unrealistic. There's no way a tank would single-handedly overwhelm an entire airbase, WHILE sitting inside a hangar. Gomer Pyle would have enough gumption to go stickybomb, molotav cocktail, or otherwise smack the thing.
Well anyways, its a cheesy stunt that stems from what will be fixed in the next patch - unrealistic field arms.
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Originally posted by BotaBing:
Bottom line - its unrealistic. There's no way a tank would single-handedly overwhelm an entire airbase, WHILE sitting inside a hangar.
Ooooohhh..Tinky Winky is so sad...Tinky Winky thinks that spawing new A/C is also unrealistic, as you would have had a proper burial rather than a new A/C at end of runway if sim was realistic. Tinky Winky thinks HTC has gameplay in mind. Big Huuug!
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TinkyWinky is cheesy. Who is this TinkyWinky thingy? Sounds/looks alot like the Ripster. LOL
Sour
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Originally posted by sourkraut:
TinkyWinky is cheesy. Who is this TinkyWinky thingy? Sounds/looks alot like the Ripster. LOL
Sour
Hey Hey Hey! That's your CO you're talking about! If anything, I look/sound like Noo Noo, the vacuum thingy on TT's (Yes, my kids watch that show, drives me friggin' nutz!)
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Heheh Tinky Winky - so true. Very little is realistic except flight characterstics.
I guess I should just praise the cheese patrol instead of encouraging them to fight like honorable men.