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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: poopster on February 02, 2003, 09:20:12 PM
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If you find a few more WB'ers comin over, be nice, great people.
Steer them to the TOD's and the CT. The S3's are why they stayed.
Show them what's up with the dark side. Good people, you won't regret it.
Really.
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Got an email from Rekkof saying he was coming, still haven't seen him yet... if ya see him kick him for me.
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Rekkof is ours. Or your gonna have a bunch of BK's on your tail :)
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I am always nice. However I can't sauy I receive the same from alot of WB's guys:)
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Ammo there is a WHOLE lot of WB'ers that came over here.
If they're wound too tight, they wouldn't come in the first place. The ones that do are worth the effort.
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Don't get me wrong, I am all for it. It does not matter to me how a few act, I will always welcome new folks.
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Also steer them to Niemen, which will be accepting walkons for Saturdays' first frame!
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And once Niemen is over....CAP!
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rekkie coming on over here ? bringing his zeke too ?
excellent news, common channel could do with perking up a bit :D
wipass
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for those of us who missed it, what happend to drive this crowd over ?
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there is an "ammo" over there but he is mean like you.
lazs
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All I can say is "What took you so f%#$#ing long!?" :)
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Originally posted by lord dolf vader
for those of us who missed it, what happend to drive this crowd over ?
anyone?
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Originally posted by lord dolf vader
for those of us who missed it, what happend to drive this crowd over ?
I think it varies, depends on who you ask...quite frankly, I never like WB's after HiTech and Pyro left (fanboi?) and the connections went south on me and many others with the server move to North Carolina...boredom soon set in and I was online less than 5 hours a month, then in Oct. 1999 I downloaded this beta program called "Aces High" V.34 I think...after a few weeks I finally went "hot" (online) and canceled my WB account soon after. I discoverd AH thru the AGW BBS.
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lack of development
broken promises
major staff members quit
nuff said
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Nopoop, are you a member of Amway, too? :p
Kekule
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Oh, he was serious?
I left WB after the move to North Carolina. I couldn't stay connected more than 2 or 3 minutes. AH went beta, I tagged along.
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I'd love to see S3's over here.
AH scenario "culture" gained a lot from absorbing the AW guys and I'm sure the S3 guys coming over would provide a similar boost.
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I dunno funked, in case you didn't notice Scop's already here, although I believe hes on Ridilin as hes been quite passive.
I'm sure once the Ridilin wears off we'll hear more from him.
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Maby if I set up an S3's arena once a week free for a couple of months?
HiTech
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No actually that ammo is much nicer than I am, much more accepted with the WB's crowd as well;)
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couldn't hurt HT.
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For us who have only flown AH. Can someone define "S3's" , thanks.
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Weekly squadron oriented historical event. It last several frames/]weeks. It is not unlike the TOD here in AH
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S3 is the WB version of AH's TOD scenarios.
(I think anyways)
As far as I understood, 3 out of the 4 last S3's in Warbirds were cancelled for various reasons, mainly server issues.
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S3 (Squadron Select Series) is a historical scenario series that is created and run by participating squadrons. It's kind of like a bowling league for historical combat geeks. It's not open to everyone. Only squadrons can compete and those squadrons have to meet certain obligations. The fact that the company and the CM team have no official involvement in it means that the organizers are free to do a lot of things that wouldn't go over too well in "official" scenarios.
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Go for it hitech. Sounds like a great way for new customers to try AH out and make the transition easier.
bowser
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What is a S3 ? WB Virgin here.
Jordi
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Originally posted by jordi
What is a S3 ? WB Virgin here.
Jordi
Read the damn thread above ya :)
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"The fact that the company and the CM team have no official involvement in it means that the organizers are free to do a lot of things that wouldn't go over too well in "official" scenarios." - Funked
Such as?
As far as I understand, our ToD's and WB's S3s are identical... er, except for what you're alluding to here. Can you expand on this? (have never flown an S3).
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Heyas,
I am a WBs Peek-in-look-around-see type person too. First log on Tuesday last. I have been with WBs for 6 years. From when Pyro and HT were there.
What keeps us there are the Squads, Community, and S3's....In that order.
What has us leaving/looking? No Strat, Funky connects, Bad FM's, Wild Bill ButtHead, No updates, No development, $25 vs $15 for less bang, SL's that go FLOP, S3 arenas that crash after setting aside 3 hours Sunday nights for 5 Sundays in a row, and other possibly unfounded loyalties. Not necessarily in that order.
What will keep us/me here? Strat and Map rotations, More Strat, More planes, vehicles, boats & Terrains (development in general), 5-600 players vs 90-100, the built in Voice and improvemnet there-of, the CT arena, and........HT, S3 type events could solidify your position as the greatest MMP SIMM on earth.
I have met some old friends and some other very nice and helpful folks. I have had a BLAST in the last 6 days.
Things that would help:
1. A kinder more mature Channel 1 or a permanent squelch function.
2. The joystick configuration can be daunting for the NOOBIE if using a full HOTAS.
3. The MAP/Clipboard is a bear to figure out and to learn how to use. I have recieved some excellent help from Tarmac and Blank.
In all this is GREAT! and I am pleased to be a part of Aces High. Keep up the excellent work.
Dracon Out!
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"What keeps us there are the Squads, Community, and S3's....In that order."
AH accomodates squads very nicely and we've about the same style community as WBs (both good and bad, but all sim enthusiasts). The only thing AH is missing then is the S3s.
"S3 type events could solidify your position as the greatest MMP SIMM on earth. "
We do have what we call the ToD, which as far as I can figure out is the exact same as the S3s. And at 200+ attendance. At any rate, HT offered a free arena for the WBers to host the S3s in. And these arenas actually work. :)
Either nobody heard him, or there must be something else we're missing, right? Do you think the WBers are going to take him up on his offer? If not, why?
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no because ah doesnt support mac :p
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Our TOD's soon to be named "Squad Operations" are almost identical to the S3's. We have about 200 every Friday night and 100 every Sunday. Same event, just different squads (many Euro Squads on Sunday due to the friendly Euro time).
http://events.simladder.com/tod.php
Our Snapshots are more like the Scenario Lites in Warbirds. Those are Wednesday and now a friendly Euro time on Thursday.
http://events.simladder.com/snapshots.php
Our large Scenarios we put on every three or four months. Niemen is the current one.
http://www.btinternet.com/~fulltilt/niemen/battle.html
CAP I am not sure what WB has that would compair to that. Sort of an on going S3 that is in its 13th frame.
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=75867
Lots of events to offer the WB players. :)
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The TOD / Squad Ops allows a Player to be a guest ( 24 hrs in advance ) in a current Active Squad OPS / TOD Squadron and can fly that weeks Event.
Snapshots and CAP Events are open to ALL AH PILOTS regardless of any squad affiliation and those not in any AH Squad.
Scenarios are registered events but allow walkon pilots to fill open spots on frame day.
Any of these events are great ice breakers to get a feel for a different side of AH.
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Yo Kek ya bastage !!!
Actually I'm not on commission. If I was I would post it at AGW :D
Just a heads up, people here are as rabid as over there, with all the related flames..
BTW January stats for a non uber plane in the Main.
Ki61
Kills 1405
Deaths 1249
K/D 1.125
Some good rice pilots here abouts.
Granted there were over 65 thousand Spit IX kills and deaths. But Spit pilots are wussies :D
But you know that.
And the Wallneto ain't pink.
It's just dirty.
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Hmmm..... too new to know what a ToD is? Is it a squad event? Does it allow walkons? Where might I find out about it?
Funkedup is pretty much righton. S3's are Historical to Semi-Historical engagements with the correct number of aircraft and aircraft types. An excellent group of gentlemen, "The Janitors", run the S3's with an Allied and Axis commander selected from the sides. (Usually Volunteers). Rank and status in the squads is of no matter. There is an overall "Game Plan" and the weekly side CO's assign targets, missions, and special missions to the various squadrons. Planning is done on carefully secured BBS's. It is usually a 3 hour event running for 5 consecutive Sundays. You fly 2-3 sorties as assigned per frame (week). It is a "1 DEATH event" Die and your out for that weeks frame. Back again the following week with 1 life. This means, crash on take-off U gone. Prang your kite on landing, your gone! Disco with damage your gone. Certain exceptions are made for the cat jumping on your keyboard and hitting ALT+F4 :) They are very fun and can be grueling, even gut wrenching. Its the trying to stay alive thing. You don't fly a trashed ride. you get hit you run like hell to get back to base. The icon range is very short like D6 Enema and D20ish Friends. Points are awarded for sorties, kills and targets hit. Scores are kept and medals & awards are given at S3 close.
I know AH has a community and squads. I more meant that once you get WITH a squad you hate to leave. Worse than a Divorce :( So, you tend to stay where you are and with your squad.
The NO MAC is a major problem as many WBs squads have several MAC guys.
If HT offered a free arena for the S3's, I was not aware of it but again the MAC issue. That was very kind of HT but I'm sure the political ramifications.......nuff said :)
Me? Well the wife said I can fly both for a few months. Hehehe she's a great gal!!
I like it here so far. The FMs are different enough that I am getting "Real Dead, Real Fast" with few kills. Ahhh.......the joys of newbie-ism again!
On a final note one of the things I have heard over the years is that Buffing in AH is almost non-existant. The bomber guys are reluctant to come here. I haven't evaluated the truth to that yet. Seems the CT arena should/could be the Buffers answer.
Fun topic guys, hope I shed a bit of light on the S3's.
One thing for sure, I'm gonna fly where I have the most fun! I get enuff of that STRESS Sh_t at work!
CYAs UP!!
Dracon
PS: Just found the Info on Most Memorable Day ToD. It is more like WBs SL (Scenario Lite) events run by the CM's
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Dracon, drop Daddog a mail. He'll answer any of your questions.
Hell of a squad, and a good bunch of people.
As far as flying here, everything happens sooner. The first month all my moves were started too late. You get used to it.
It didn't take that long for me, I only have one move..
..and that one ain't too good..
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Can't wait to see more of you guys.
Drex
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We are still missing alot of good people :( hope they come over soon.
S3 arena sounds good.
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As far as I understand, our ToD's and WB's S3s are identical... er, except for what you're alluding to here. Can you expand on this? (have never flown an S3).
Nash what I mean is:
AH CM's are a group picked by HTC. They are "official" and things like "what is best for the community" and "what is best for HTC" play a factor in their decisions whether they realize it or not. The S3 janitors don't answer to iEN, they answer only to the participating squadrons. They don't have to humor whiners, and they don't have to be "fair", and their product does not have to be acceptable or accessible to the masses.
This is not a thinly veiled whine about performance of HTC CM's, I think they do a great job. But the way S3 is run is a little different, at least in a subtle way.
The main thing I noticed in S3 was a more "professional" atmosphere among the squads and more of a focus on duplicating actual engagements than on pure gameplay. WB doesn't have the big official scenarios (e.g. BoB, Niemen) so I think a lot of the player energy that would go into those events goes into S3.
Basically they are pretty similar events though, TOD and S3.
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Originally posted by funkedup
Nash what I mean is:
AH CM's are a group picked by HTC. They are "official" and things like "what is best for the community" and "what is best for HTC" play a factor in their decisions whether they realize it or not.
We are not picked by HTC
We do try to consider "community"..........
We do try to consider that events should add to the AH experience..........
We do it for fun.......
We are allowed some tools ........ (the SEA)
However anyone thinking that we sit at the right (or left) hand of cod is very mistaken.......... (although we get very good support)
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*shrugs*
Maybe it's different now. I haven't really participated in the game for the last 9 months or so.
Back on topic:
S3 are run completely by the participating squads. TOD's aren't. At the inception of TOD a decision was made to not allow the squads to run it, and that's how it is.
(I edited this to remove some statements that I'm not sure were factually correct.)
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I dont get it. TOD and S3 sounds identical but with less work for the players (CMs do it).
And the CAP event.......well it just doesnt compare to anything.
HT why not just give any WBers a free SEA only account for a month or two and we'll show em our magic?
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I'm still not sure I understand this correctly. The Squadrons arrange the S3s amoung themselves? So it's all on the honour system then? There's nothing to stop someone upping a plane that isnt supposed to be flying that night asside from eternal damnation and ridicule from their peers?
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I would also say that CAP events are very comparable to the "Target for Tonight" events in WB.
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Target for tonight is a branching campaign with historical medals and respawn windows every 30 minutes?
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Geez I think somebody's feeling a bit threatened. ;)
If those events were so great we'd all still be in WB playing them. :)
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That is true of CAP in AH Swoop.
When I left WB 7 months ago they also had a logged event (with 4 lives) there that ran on Thursday nights in the Historical arena called "Target for Tonight". It was at that time very similar to the CAP event we have here in AH.
Of course they didn't have all those purty medals that we have. :D
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Blimey. Think I'll lay off the coffee in the mornings......
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Warbirds had Large Scenarios, Scenario Lites, EMC (Euro event), Target for Tonight, Weekend Warrior, and S3s.
WB had a large and sophisticated event community, but it gradually declined as WB 2.77 sat unchanged and WBIII stumbled along from one beta patch to the next. It is now a shadow of its former self.
The WB S3 series is a great event, the last really good event over there, but it struggles under the weight of WBIII and its incomplete plane set, and lack of terrains, and other problems.
I had a close look at where AH was going with their events, and jumped ship in June, to form my new squad here. I have not looked back since, and am having a great time in the events here, as many of my former WB comrades are as well.
Regards.
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What Tilt said is correct. We at HTC do not pick the CM's. Initially, we did, just to get the ball rolling, but there have been some very good people running the CM show for quite some time.
I provide the support mechanism for the CM/CT group and act as a contact point for them at HTC.
The events are all run without any need of anyone at HTC, other than getting terrains up, providing the various arenas to run them in, and some tools to aid in the overall running of the events.
We also provide the secure BBS forums for the events.
The onus of running the events in the SEA/CT are all on the CM/CT teams and we do as little as possible to intervene with that.
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personally, I think the CM's do a heck of a job......seems to me it could get very frustrating for them.
I never subscribed to WB, but still have 2.77 and III on my 'puter. (cant run III though, not enough video memory) I was playing it offline just the other day....and was very suprised to realize that I now positively hate it. When I first joined AH, I thought it was a lesser game, but soon realized that I was wrong about that. Now I cant even get a good feel for the WB flight characteristics....its just not on par with AH.
But in fairness, I owe 1 thing to WB.....the high price there allowed me to convince the wife that AH was a heck of a bargain :D
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Originally posted by hitech
Maby if I set up an S3's arena once a week free for a couple of months?
HiTech
Great idea HT!
Anyone can just try it and decide for themselves.2 months or so gives you plenty of time to evaluate it.
Frodo
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Why not just call the TOD an S3? Damn near vanilla....or "S3 Tour of Duty" ?
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strictly object based events wont be enough to attrack the more serious players that participate in S3s.
I would ellaborate but I sure most know what I mean.
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Sorry batz, not a clue what you mean. We have objective based events (CAP) and we have score based events (TOD), we even have events that can be either (scenarios), we have kills based events (KOTH), we have events based on nothing whatsoever (snapshots).
Now what are you talking about?
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Gents,
You may want to re-read my post on the S3's.....
To the comment "squads are on their honor not to take up a better plane."
True but the logs are parsed and inspected. Violators risk having their squads removed for some period or possibly re-assignment to a more inferior ride for the remainder of the S3 event.
Another example: A squad may begiven Ki84's, however the replacement planes of that time may be the 61's. Each 84 you lose during the frame is repalced with a 61 then next frame. Lose too many and the squad is all in 61's. Obviously your success rate diminishes and the K/D hits the bottom.
I am at work. If you are truly interested, when I get home I will post links to ALL the S3 rules, regs, scores, and awards.
Ya know, your doing more right than wrong here at AH. It is a cool SIMM. The S3 is a very Historically fun event but it is not CRITICAL. I doubt you'd capture all of the remaining players. Certainly not the MAC guys and there are many considering World War II ONLINE, although I don't know why? It sure isn't a fighter SIMM.
Regards,
Dracon
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As head of the CM group (for a short while longer ;)) I want to welcome any and all players from WB’s. Vadr and some others from the War Birds were a big help in getting the events over here started and a personal help to me. I have respected your events for a long time and used the success of the S3’s as a bench mark for our TOD’s.
Feel free to e-mail me with any questions you might have. jwg11@mlode.com I look forward to your participation and the possibility of some joining the CM group to further our events in Aces High.
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objects based events = capture x and win or destroy y and win.
Every scenario since Big Week has been object based.
ToD gave up on score for the longest time (which cool because tod was more of squad thing then who won).
Cap is object based. I totally gave up on it so I am not really concerned.
Events that take account of losses as well as the objective leads to a better type of event. AK, HS and BW accounted for losses as a part of the over all "who won."
Applied to tod a smaller squad could actually effect the outcome by enflicting enough losses on the attacker so as to offset the advantage they have in numbers. The smaller group need not necesssarily stop building x from being blown up but make it so costly that it doesnt matter. This balances "flying to live" with need to achieve the objective. Dowding came up with a great "score" system in Big Week.
BoB was a "bomb every building in x area". It didnt take into account what so ever losses. In reality the lw used their bombers to draw out fighters and kill them.
Taking losses into account allows for things like "mission kills". With strict object based events the large force need not be concerned with losses but just the objective. This is the same mindset behind the 50 man missions in the main.
You see events where 1 side takes incredible losses and still gets a "victory". I dont care much about who "wins". But I think it leads to a "different style" of gameplay. and imho an all round better event.
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Whats your in game ID? I have no record of any pilot by the name of Batz ever having flown in a CAP frame. And why'd you give up on it, just out of interest?
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Of course they didn't have all those purty medals that we have.
And they don't have our beloved Swoop!!!
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wotan...............lol
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Ah FFS. I hate it when numpties use a different in BBS ID.
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numpties?
for the first 5 days I included my old nik......my bbs id matches my game id thus the switch.
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Take a peek here to see what the S3 events are like.
http://www.s3events.com/
It's a large site, but you'll get the idea.
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Ok!! ^^^^^^^^ There's the man! He can answer any and all questions.
roan
Dracon
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Welcome roan. :)
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roans has the answers...
Welcome over to the darkside.
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Originally posted by dracon
I doubt you'd capture all of the remaining players. Certainly not the MAC guys and there are many considering World War II ONLINE, although I don't know why? It sure isn't a fighter SIMM.
Regards,
Dracon
Something changed recently in AH development which you have not factored in. AH developer became a pilot and an aircraft owner. I take it as no surprise AH2 announcement (with improved FM) came shortly thereafter.
AH2 will prove to be the most serious competition WB ever saw quite simply because the guy who writes the code is a pilot.