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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: 28sweep on February 04, 2003, 11:03:50 AM
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I've been waiting and waiting, waiting, waiting, waiting, waiting, and waiting and nothing. I checked thier web-site and nothing. Last official announcement was in 2001. Like 2 yrs ago. Have they died?
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Originally posted by 28sweep
Have they died?
No. Open beta is close.
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The Targetware guys often post in the forums and often about the game specifically they don't just use the news forum to make announcements of talk about the sim.
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The Graphics don't look anything special. Maybe 3 yrs ago it would be nice ..but now its probably just average. Can you define "close" ? Open beta is "close" ...like three years more or three months? How in the hell can they pay thier bills for so long with no revenue?? They must have sombody with deep pockets funding them. Three years...thats almost as long as WWII...Its going to take HiTech like 6 or 7 months to develop AHII..what the hell is wrong with those targetware people. Give me the source code-I'll knock it out in a week....
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The website hasn't been updated; official statements are along the lines "we'll update the website if we get a volunteer webmaster. Right now we're busy with the project."
Open beta is scheduled for "Very soon"; probably more along the lines of three months than three years (and some would suspect sooner than 3 months).
They've also reported the project is further along than AH or WB when they went into OB. I won't contradict that statement.
monitor forums.targetware.net for updates.
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Originally posted by 28sweep
The Graphics don't look anything special. Maybe 3 yrs ago it would be nice ..but now its probably just average. Can you define "close" ? Open beta is "close" ...like three years more or three months? How in the hell can they pay thier bills for so long with no revenue?? They must have sombody with deep pockets funding them. Three years...thats almost as long as WWII...Its going to take HiTech like 6 or 7 months to develop AHII..what the hell is wrong with those targetware people. Give me the source code-I'll knock it out in a week....
Jeeeezzzzzzzzzzzzz lighten up dude, have you payed for anything yet??? Wait until you've tried it out before you start squeaking about the Targetware staff. Most if not all of the guys developing this game work 40 hours a week, have familys all the while devolping TK and TR in there spare time, so of course its gonna take awhile. I cant give you a date because I just dont know. What I do know is that wont release a thing until THEY think its ready. Targertware doesnt want to make the same mistake as CRS and let the cat out of the bag before its ready. Its better to do it right the first time around instead of spending the first 1 year sqaushing bugs and pissing off costumers.
It will happen, just have some patience young grasshoppers:)
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targetware for PC is being coded by ONE guy on his OFF time. It's a hobby, not a job.
Everything else is a volunteer effort.
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From a beta tester, it's coming along fine. Stop squeaking.
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I've read some of them and he promised the world..years later and he has delivered nothing. Their graphics engine is already showing its age and its not been released…lol. All this shows you his business model is flawed; if you want quality-on-time work-go to a pro-not an amature.
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28Sweep> They owe you nothing you are not paying for the sim and the guy you singled out for his business posts is no longer part of the project. This is a project done in free time and it's looking pretty good. Whatever you think of the graphics so far its BETA and from the screenshots it's improving all the time. I'd rather see them take the time and get the flight modelling and damage model right as well as the other core systems the graphics can be updated and improved as necessary.
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And what's a motor winding got to do with this anyway?
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Originally posted by 28sweep
if you want quality-on-time work-go to a pro-not an amature.
Since your a professional sweep Im surprised you havent donated some of your talent, you've had plenty of chances.
http://www.targetware.net/newsarticle-17.cfm
http://www.targetware.net/newsarticle-24.cfm
http://www.targetware.net/newsarticle-29.cfm
You should of at least signed up to be a beta tester. I'm sure the project would have been released a year ago with you on the team. But then again that would be productive, its just more fun to whine isnt it. :rolleyes:
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Don't pick on me because they have become the joke of the Flight Sim. Community. I got more important things to do than waste it with a bunch of amateurs that promise the sky and deliver crap......Lets make a bet: AHII will be out at least 1 year before those bozo’s move into Open Beta.
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you must have gotten turned down or snubbed by someone.
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turned down ? You mean like to be a beta tester...no..I just don't like people that don't deliver...in my industry- if you got a date to make-and you miss it-you loose your job-period.
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Originally posted by 28sweep
...in my industry- if you got a date to make-and you miss it-you loose your job-period.
Yeah. You were supposed to clean my toejamter last week and it's still messed up.
YOU'RE FIRED !!!!
:D
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sweep when it is release then you can squeak.
I did work on the sim a while back ki-45 and the skin for it along with silo and popgun (think that is him). We are all developers on our own time did i mention my real job is 70+ hours a week. Targetware products are developed by people in their spare time.
TW has IMO the best flight model I have experienced in a SIM ever, and I have flown them all.
Damage model is the best in any MMP sim out there.
Graphics is TR are excellent IMO, plave graphics are better than AH, but to my graphics are not what make a game or sim good.
Not going to violate my NDA, but what you see in press releases and screenies is not nearly what is already done.
You talk about AHII, have you played it...seen it...experienced it? So you can't even make a comparrison.
And as far as the release date, well welcome to the gaming industry, falcon 4 one of the best flight sims to date was released 2 years late.
You can fly it or not, but to whine about a game you know nothing about or pay for is pretty lame.
Oh and good for your industry.
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TargetWare’s business model is flawed. It violates Adam’s Smith basic rule of economics which states that people are inherently greedy bastards. People work best in the name of self-interest. Target-Rabaul, Korea will therefore fail. I got some alternate names for them to consider:
Target -Kabutz
Target -DisneyWorld
Target –IgotToWorkTomarrowToPayMyRentSoIwontWorkOnItTonight
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"...I got more important things to do...".
That's pretty obvious.
bowser
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Originally posted by 28sweep
TargetWare’s business model is flawed. It violates Adam’s Smith basic rule of economics which states that people are inherently greedy bastards. People work best in the name of self-interest.
Aces High adn Warbirds stands as a proof that the above statement is an idiocy.
Programmer of Hitech's talent those days can easily pull in quarter of a million per year. I'll bet you money he ain't making that on AH. And never was in WB.
The very game you're playing is a product of passion, just like TW is. Frankly ain't nobody is twisting your arm to try it. If you don't like it, unbunch your patnies and get to cleaning my crapper :)
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Hey fd ski
Why are you getting personal with me? Whats with the insults bro? Relax..you think HiTech works his butt off because he's a nice guy; well then you are naive. Ya he probably loves what he does-but I let you in on a secret: he's getting paid..and paid well I'm sure. Kudos to him..its the American way...build a better mouse trap etc.....Target Rabaul will never make it....Adam Smith and history says I'm right...
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The survival of RB3D is proof that self interest is not all that drives support for a game.
Badger did what most expected badger to do in his position at Targetware. Please dismiss the press releases from him as his usual well written complete nonsense. The game developers and contributers should not be held liable for it.
You also have to give kudos to the crowd for not cramming it down everyone else's throats. I haven't seen a "Targetware is going to have this feature and its going to kick everyone else's bellybutton in the market" post in some time. Definately not enough to stack up against those still touting other games that are virtual failures.
One thing is for sure. It will be interesting to see what a community can generate when it comes to a game. I have certain theories in regards to outcomes, but I'll keep those to myself so I can say "I was right!" after the success/failure of TW in honor of drippy.
MiniD
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Sweep,
So tell me...
What does having a small member have to do with hunting animals?
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Originally posted by fd ski
Aces High adn Warbirds stands as a proof that the above statement is an idiocy.
Programmer of Hitech's talent those days can easily pull in quarter of a million per year. I'll bet you money he ain't making that on AH. And never was in WB.
I bet HiTech pulled in some serious $$$ when ICI sold to iMagic, that cash is what probably funded AH's development.
ack-ack
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I bet a large chunk of his compensation was in stock, which went straight down the toejamter thanks to wildbill.
Wab
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Mark Luper,
Not to get-off topic but I think that Sigmund Freud clearly established the link between male aggression and noodle size in his 1923 master-piece: The Ego and the Id. There is no better manifestation of this (male aggression) in the modern world than the killing animals for sport-according to Freud. I completely agree with him. In fact-I believe Gun Ownership in general is driven by noodle insecurity. The University of Stockholm took this hypothesis one step further in a ground-breaking study that was largely buried by the media. The study postulated that all oppression of Africans by Europeans has been driven by noodle envy. There is no doubt that this is true if you read the study. So in summary- if you are a hunter, gun owner, or racist-you got a small banana……sorry truth hurts.
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"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity." -- Sigmund Freud, General Introduction to Psychoanalysis (1952)
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Freud's work is a complete crock... no self respecting psychoanalysis or psychiatrist buys into that roadkill.
Kind of like your feet or your hand size relate to the size of your dick... if you believe that, there's a good chance your dick is smarter than your brain.
-SW
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Not all of his work should be dismissed.:mad:
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Thought you lot might enjoy this - came across it Interface by Neal Stephenson:
Did you hear about the programmer's wife?
She's still a virgin. Her husband just sits on the edge of the bed every night and tells her how great it's going to be.
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LOL :)
I think I bookmarked about 15 great lines like that from that book. :)