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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Midnight on February 04, 2003, 12:03:39 PM
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The 163 is a great addition to the game - somewhat
The low perk cost of these aircraft, coupled with the unlimited number of them seem to be having a big impact on HQ bombing.
I saw 3 formations of B17s coming to bomb HQ. Those guys probably flew for at least 20 minutes to make the altitude they were at.
In less than 5 minutes, I saw at least 10 ME-163s launch to intercept. The B17s had no chance.
I fear if this keeps up, no one will bother to level bomb HQ anymore.
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It's like a dream come true to me...
lazs
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Give the ME163 200 perks.
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Don't make me punt the 100+ threads of Dar Down whine threads from the past. ;)
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Dweebish HQ porking is a thing of the past (for the most part), and I applaud this change :D :D :D
There is something VERY wrong with a group of 2-5 people being able to cripple and entire country (200 players) to the point of that country losing active players (due to no radar...especially on large maps like Pizza) and spiraling into "the bucket." Now with the 163 defense, a country has a chance of stopping 25k+ bomber dweebs from making HQ runs without 1st successfully completing the required PRE-WORK to soften up the area.
The easiest way to stop 163s from being a factor is to reduce their base to 25% fuel. This requires the effort of far more than just the few bomber pilots, but rather at least 5-10 additional pilots in a coordinated strike so the fuel is taken down early enough to protect the buffs, but no so eary that the field can be resupplied. This means that 15-25 players must participate, and if the mission is successful GOOD FOR THEM. The successful mission means so much more now.
Does the perk cost need to be adjusted? I really dont know. I also dont think it would change much, being that most good pilots have enough to use the 163 in the time of need, even if it cost more. I beleive that HT has introduced the 163 in a very fair, balanced way.
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You are the co of a mustang squadron right? Do some of that pilot stuff and pork that 163 field so they cant get those planes high enough to hurt the buffs.
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Originally posted by Midnight
...I fear if this keeps up, no one will bother to level bomb HQ anymore.
good.
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Bombers shouldn't fly unescorted over a country's capitol/HQ. Bring escort if you are worried about being attacked.
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Originally posted by GPreddy
You are the co of a mustang squadron right? Do some of that pilot stuff and pork that 163 field so they cant get those planes high enough to hurt the buffs.
Something we'll never see you do :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by GPreddy
You are the co of a mustang squadron right? Do some of that pilot stuff and pork that 163 field so they cant get those planes high enough to hurt the buffs.
Something we'll never see you do :rolleyes:
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Interersting comment about 5 people affecting 200 peoples enjoyment. I hadnt thought of that side of things.
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looks like the 163 is being used in it's historic role, defending the homeland against high alt bombers.
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The 163 bases are digustingly easy to shut down. 75 fuel even is enough to make it difficult for 163's to intercept buffs.
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agree. I was just thinking that it just takes a well planned attack.. instead of just a single large buff raid, to take out HQ, which makes a lot more sense IMO
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Oh please.
a) having your HQ knocked out is only a thing of the past if you fly for anyone else other than the bishops! Last night on the pizza map, I don't think bishops had Dar up more than five minutes in the whole two hours I was there. Our inability to defend our HQ is almost legendary. We personally think of it not as a failure, as much as a levelling of the playing field to give the other teams a fighting chance.
b) the 163 makes it impossible to milk-run an HQ, but who needs to? Most of the time I see our HQ knocked out by massive pony raids, or suicide 38s, against which 163s are basically powerless.
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wtf ! strategical thinking more than one step ahead?? who do you think we are , EINSTEINS???
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Originally posted by Puke
Bombers shouldn't fly unescorted over a country's capitol/HQ. Bring escort if you are worried about being attacked.
My first Me163 flight was up against about 8 or 10 escorted (by P51s) bomber formations. Nothing red got within 10 miles of the HQ because for some odd reason the Knits got their wind up and a lot of 163s lifted. It was an AWESOME fight.
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If I am in a bomber I'd rather see 163's than these at my alt, just my opinion though.
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Originally posted by Black Sheep
Something we'll never see you do :rolleyes:
Wrong challenged one Ive already done it three times.
I amazes me the quantity of selfappointed experts that claim to know so much about me and what I do yet always get it wrong.
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Did they get the part about you being in the CIA right? Or being a real life fighter pilot?
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^ Oh dear here we go again
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Originally posted by GPreddy
Wrong challenged one Ive already done it three times.
I amazes me the quantity of selfappointed experts that claim to know so much about me and what I do yet always get it wrong.
What do you expect, your track record of telling the truth is, at the very least, suspect, the cause of that rests solely on your shoulders.
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MrLars nothing you do can amaze anyone; bowser either. If they administered an intelligence test before allowing posts here the place would have a lot fewer idiots making comments like yours.
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I smell a thread lock coming on.....
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Originally posted by GPreddy
MrLars nothing you do can amaze anyone; bowser either. If they administered an intelligence test before allowing posts here the place would have a lot fewer idiots making comments like yours.
Waaaaaa...truth hurts, huh?
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Originally posted by GPreddy
MrLars nothing you do can amaze anyone; bowser either. If they administered an intelligence test before allowing posts here the place would have a lot fewer idiots making comments like yours.
Oh...BTW, I have a 'special' place in my heart for those that lie about having a distinguished military career...
I dunno, must be a character flaw in me.
No need to lock this, I just had a stressful visit to the VA hospital.
I am done.
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Originally posted by MrLars
Oh...BTW, I have a 'special' place in my heart for those that lie about having a distinguished military career...
No need to lock this, .......
I am done.
Come on buddy, there is an immense supply of clubs. You know with the economy down, they are not selling as well. So, might as well put them to use. ;).
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I have a special place in mind for all the idiots that think they have anything special to add to all the other moronic comments made around here. Since it goes unchecked I shall take a step in your direction to tell you to salute with three fingers and read between the lines. Thats all you deserve lars since you dont have the brains to know when to shutup.
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moo
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You are a proven liar and a fraud, but that is old ground.
Or do you really think all of us have forgotten your past statements?
Open this can 'o worms at your own risk. Better for you to take your own advice...
-Smut
Originally posted by GPreddy
I have a special place in mind for all the idiots that think they have anything special to add to all the other moronic comments made around here. Since it goes unchecked I shall take a step in your direction to tell you to salute with three fingers and read between the lines. Thats all you deserve lars since you dont have the brains to know when to shutup.
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Ya..where are some of those old threads talkin about fraud boy voss?
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Rotor, have you thought about investing in better bait?
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After reading all the posts, I almost forgot this thread was about the 163 mucking up bomber raids on HQ :-)
I think the 163 was a GREAT addition to the game, and in reality doesn't stop HQ killing at all. As was mentioned before, knock out the fuel at the bases by HQ, and the 163 problem goes away.
Aside from a few like minded pilots, I know it's like pulling teeth to get people to strategically hit a base to accomplish a certain goal. I used to get upset about it myself, but then I thought "Hey, if I'm paying for everyone's Aces High accounts, that's when I can expect them to go along with my plans".
Now I just kind of laugh when my country is backed into a corner and I hear all the whining about being ganged by the other two countries. I just up a heavy fighter and go kill all their barracks... It's amazing how much damage one guy can do if you use the strategy built into this game :-)
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I just want to put in my opinion on this whole 163 thing. This plane make any escort at all worthless. It removes the reality aspect from the entire though of strat bombing. Any plane, no matter what it is, is going to be absolutley no match for the 163 which is why i think it needs to go. What is the point of flying two hours to get to your target only to have this stupid little guided rocket pluck you out of the sky like you weren't even there. Now don't get me wrong, Ive shot down quite a few and it caan be done with some ease if you know what your doing, but this is rediculous. I will be the first to admit when somthing is fair or isn't, but these things have to go and go NOW!!!
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Originally posted by Midnight
I saw 3 formations of B17s coming to bomb HQ. Those guys probably flew for at least 20 minutes to make the altitude they were at.
Just a Note....If they were at 30,000 ft.
They likely flew for an Hour just to get to Target.
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What is the point of flying two hours to get to your target only to have this stupid little guided rocket pluck you out of the sky like you weren't even there.
Something the germans probably remarked about... right after wondering why they didn't have more of 'em and sooner.
Escort fighters are marginally effective against a well organised fighter attack. They are useless against a well organized Comet Attack. Just like they were 60 years ago.
I think it's fuggin funny as hell... and it adds to the 'realisim' the strat guys have been after since day one.
Whine, ON!
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Originally posted by Hangtime
Something the germans probably remarked about... right after wondering why they didn't have more of 'em and sooner.
Im speaking matter of fact and your talking what might have happend. Im going to be right to the point on this one, HT trys to make the senerio as real and as historical as posible. OK, with that said, even if they have kept the 163 in the game, there is no way in heck that this stupid little bird should take out a whole flock of B17s on one pass, while our gunners are smacking them right in the face with 50 cal. machine guns and they fly away like nothing ever happend. This is not a well suited bird for this game. They took away the aspect of lazer bombers, fine; now we have to worry about callibration, wind, alt ect. Bring the 163 into the picture and throw all of that out the window, the formation might as well have been at 10000 feet because not only is the stupid little bird bullet proof, but they are cheap, and in endless suply at the HQ air feild. Meaning, any idiot can get in one and shoot down an entire formation. If you want to get historic here guys think about this, when was the last time you have seen a 163 in any WW2 film come along and rip apart bombers like tissue paper??? Never... Throw some 152s up there and have em Dog fight with the escorts, not have a 163 come in make one pass and explode two or three bombers with one single pass.
Thanks, i knew id get some of you wind bags going on this one...
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I forgot to say, if you think your such a great pilot, bring somthing with a prop up to 35,000 ft and play with me there. You will know why these cry babies cry the way they do and praise the 163. Its not, and i'll say it again, as far as game play is concerned, the 163 issue is a dead one, the bird needs to go!!!
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street guy..Will you tell me your Handle in the MA?
the ME163 ....well you are either a crappy gunr or dont shoot from 17s'..They will rip a 163 in half..."your line of 163' sgettig smaked in face with 50 cals"..lmfao..
Yes the damage model is still in process of refinements (1 pass killing all 3 buffs is bad)
(streets quote)Ive shot down quite a few and it caan be done with some ease if you know what your doing, but this is rediculous.
What the hell are you saying?? Its easy to shoot them down?? Or its not..Maybe your english is a bit ruff...
anyways...go pork there fuel like its been said in here many times...Can you do that? No not with 1 or 2 guys...But get some more friends..ya,,,its easy
You guys are funny..its amazing that HTC and crew have done such a DAM good job putting this game up..with all the diff roles there are to do in this game and work so well with each other..othere rthen they very small fraction of game play problems its a dam fine job...
And stop crying about 163's....
One more stupid quote from this guy Stang
It removes the reality aspect from the entire though of strat bombing.
...LMFAO!!! What are all your strat targets with in range of the HQ base on your map??? wow what map is that?? O ya.. I have seen that problem..groups of 163's hotlaoding at bases to protect the Refinery....LMFAO
whaaaa
Love BiGB
xoxo
no personal attaks here...just calling it how it is..:D
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There is a simple trick to beating 163's.
Nose-down turns. Nose level or up, the 163 can turn like a spitfire. But in a dive it accellerates unbelivably fast. ANY plane can out-turn a nose down 163 without trouble.
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innom...i just stared to notice that...it works very well..
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ROFL!!
I forgot to say, if you think your such a great pilot, bring somthing with a prop up to 35,000 ft and play with me there. You will know why these cry babies cry the way they do and praise the 163. Its not, and i'll say it again, as far as game play is concerned, the 163 issue is a dead one, the bird needs to go!!!
I take it your one of those alt monkey perk point farmin harrasment HQ killin buff herders that just loves his lazer guided defensive guns.
Well, kid; you go right on trolling around the stratosphere.. and lazer gun any prop jock thats dum enough to go up there and try a screw yer porcupine ass. While yer poppin the plexi outta 35k TA152's and Dora's remember...
The Komet was made to kill yah.
Quit yer squeakin, die like a man.
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Originally posted by BGBMAW
street guy..Will you tell me your Handle in the MA?
the ME163 ....well you are either a crappy gunr or dont shoot from 17s'..They will rip a 163 in half..."your line of 163' sgettig smaked in face with 50 cals"..lmfao..
Yes the damage model is still in process of refinements (1 pass killing all 3 buffs is bad)
What the hell are you saying?? Its easy to shoot them down?? Or its not..Maybe your english is a bit ruff...
anyways...go pork there fuel like its been said in here many times...Can you do that? No not with 1 or 2 guys...But get some more friends..ya,,,its easy
You guys are funny..its amazing that HTC and crew have done such a DAM good job putting this game up..with all the diff roles there are to do in this game and work so well with each other..othere rthen they very small fraction of game play problems its a dam fine job...
And stop crying about 163's....
One more stupid quote from this guy Stang
...LMFAO!!! What are all your strat targets with in range of the HQ base on your map??? wow what map is that?? O ya.. I have seen that problem..groups of 163's hotlaoding at bases to protect the Refinery....LMFAO
whaaaa
Love BiGB
xoxo
no personal attaks here...just calling it how it is..:D
BGBMAW.......Take it easy man. It seems like your just a trouble making taunting jerk. Your Not are you?These posts get rediculas. You would think that all the community were the desingers and producers of this game.
personal attacks are totaly un called for.
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Originally posted by BGBMAW
street guy..Will you tell me your Handle in the MA?
the ME163 ....well you are either a crappy gunr or dont shoot from 17s'..They will rip a 163 in half..."your line of 163' sgettig smaked in face with 50 cals"..lmfao..
Well i hope your game play isn't as bad as your attitude, if it is your probably not a very nice player to play the game with. I'll be the last one to insult a person and the first one to admit when im wrong, and im only about to do one of the two, but being the type of person i am, im going to bite my tonge and stick with my opinion. SOme one has to be they bigger man... DAM THE 163
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Bite your tongue.......lolo
here you go..I quote you...you tell me......
while our gunners are smacking them right in the face with 50 cal. machine guns and they fly away like nothing ever happend.
um..strange..I never heard any saying thses are armor plated 163's...
So I say roadkill to this..Ive killed many 163's.
and next ....Now don't get me wrong, Ive shot down quite a few and it caan be done with some ease if you know what your doing, but this is rediculous
So what the hell are you saying??? They are an "ease to shoot down"..or They fly away like nothing hit them"
...lolol..I know you may have made a mistake..just admit it and
move along....
1 more...
It removes the reality aspect from the entire though of strat bombing.
"Entire"!!! Please..Did you know there are many strat targets??
Yes HQ is the most important..but it should be well defended
Please ..respond to these 3 quotes.......
Yes I can agree with 1 thing you said...the 1 pass 3 ded b-17s is a sad thing..
So..lets hear it"Bigger Man"
Love BiGB
and .come on whats your handle?are you one of my squad mates or just some other ahole in this game..lolo:D..Fuk lighten up im joking,,,,,,,,...................................ahole...:D
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What ya do is knock out the fuel then attck HQ duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!
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Originally posted by Doyle
What ya do is knock out the fuel then attck HQ duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!
and in layman's terms, that means what??
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No fuel at HQ area field means no fuel for Komets to get to HQ attack bomber raid.
Leave fuel up, send bombers in, bombers are swarmed by Komets. No more bombers.
In other words, used to be a lone bomber pilot or two could grab to 35k, and then head on over to the enemys HQ and knock out that teams radar for a couple of hours. At 35k, bombers are pretty hard to kill with a prop fighter.
Then the Komet appeared. It has no difficulty reaching 35k in less than 3 minutes and it's exceptional speed and immense cannon firepower just shred 35k bombers. It's operational weakness is it takes almost all of a full tank of fuel to get up there, and it's only based at the field adjacent to the HQ.
So.. the bomber pilots are whining because there's now a defensive system in place that makes it harder for 2 guys to screw with the gameplay of 200 others. Now it takes teamwork and planning to disrupt the gameplay of 200 others. They find the inability to milkrun at high alt where the prop fighters are at a disadvantage 'unfair'.
War is hell. ;)
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Really.
It's pretty silly to be whining that your small group of you and your buddies can't pork a couple of hundred players good time cuz you have a little opposition for a change.
Come down in the weeds and I'll slap you silly..
Uh..nevermind, you don't go there..
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Poopster for President!!![/COLOR]
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I think me163's blowup nicely.
I was a dweeb milkrunning on a HQ a few times. In one sortie I shot down 4 me163's and 2 prop planes i think one was a 109 . I was at 35000ft. Almost made it home with my lone buff since the other two didn't survive the attack. I did hit my objective. I was killed by a p47 as i was closing in on my base. I didn't have any more bullets left in tail gun and bottom turret was out also. All i could do is try to evade but to no avail even with someone trying to cover me i died.
Its fun being a milkrunning dweeb sometimes
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whoever thought of bringing the 163 to AH for HQ defense sure was a smart guy.
lazs