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Title: British Protesters Disrupt Allied C&C?
Post by: bounder on February 05, 2003, 11:13:11 AM
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from direct action website
Foil the Base in Menwith Hill

 Saturday, 22 March 2003, from 12:00 onwards, in Menwith Hill near Harrogate, Yorkshire

Menwith Hill plays a crucial role in war on Iraq. As the largest electronic monitoring station in the world it picks up communications from satellites covering the Middle East - it even won an award for its eavesdropping in the last Gulf War. It is the 'brains' of any attack on Iraq.

To 'foil the base' - disrupt satellite signals at the base - there has to be as much foil in the air as possible. Bring foil kites, foil balloons, foil puppets - use your imagination!

Organised by Neighbourhoods Opposing War, mail@now-peace.org
Title: British Protesters Disrupt Allied C&C?
Post by: Skuzzy on February 05, 2003, 11:17:06 AM
Hmmm,..some people just have too much time on thier hands.
Title: British Protesters Disrupt Allied C&C?
Post by: hawk220 on February 05, 2003, 11:43:56 AM
I think if that happened in the US, the MPs would run out there with their billy clubs, laughing like Ted Bundy on a blind date and cracking skulls, en  masse...wonder what the Brits will do?
Title: British Protesters Disrupt Allied C&C?
Post by: Kanth on February 05, 2003, 12:00:46 PM
I think if a bunch of protestors came wearing foil hats, that would probably be meaningful and symbolic.
Title: British Protesters Disrupt Allied C&C?
Post by: lord dolf vader on February 05, 2003, 12:10:30 PM
no one is at war right ? whats the issue


and if it happened here while im enjoying my hard won right to assemble. that an mp comes to knock my head ill hand him his stick back when im done with it. then ill drag his bellybutton to jail and charge him with assault as he attacked me and as im a civilian he hasen't a right in the world to touch me.


 you have seen to many whoopee rambo movies this is still a free country and dont you forget it.
Title: British Protesters Disrupt Allied C&C?
Post by: hawk220 on February 05, 2003, 12:16:45 PM
dolf

I guess I was thinking that the protesters were on gov property with their foil party ..I suppose if they were outside the gate the only crime would be malicious mischief in interfering with gov business.
Title: British Protesters Disrupt Allied C&C?
Post by: Mini D on February 05, 2003, 12:19:28 PM
Bring a foil condom.. cause with that many hippies in one spot... you're bound to get laid.

MiniD
Title: British Protesters Disrupt Allied C&C?
Post by: Skuzzy on February 05, 2003, 12:21:17 PM
vader,..you could only charge assualt if the prostest was peaceful and did not interfere with the normal operations of the institution.

And depending on where you wanted to protest, you may be required to obtain permits and right of ways.

What they are suggesting to do would get them arrested here in the U.S. as it is an act of terrorism and not a peaceful protest.
Title: British Protesters Disrupt Allied C&C?
Post by: lord dolf vader on February 05, 2003, 12:22:21 PM
yea and mps wont be doin it.


and there is always a way to disrupt somthing either leagly or otherwise and not get caught. when you have hundreds of people in a nonwartime democracy. you can stop just about anything.

now in cuba or irac this  situation would be no problem five minutes and a couple hundred rounds of ammo, presto problem solved.

perhaps you would like it there better?

wasent aimed at you scuzzy you posted while i was writing it.
Title: British Protesters Disrupt Allied C&C?
Post by: Skuzzy on February 05, 2003, 12:29:10 PM
Hehe,..good thing you added that last line.  I was all set to bake your cookies!  :D
Title: British Protesters Disrupt Allied C&C?
Post by: lord dolf vader on February 05, 2003, 12:51:23 PM
hehe i read it and panic ran thur me .


dodged a bullet on that one.
Title: British Protesters Disrupt Allied C&C?
Post by: Dowding on February 05, 2003, 01:58:32 PM
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...it is an act of terrorism...


No way Skuzzy - not in the UK. If they stick to common land and do not try and enter MOD land then it's a peaceful protest.

When you start labelling a democratic right as 'terrorism' you're on a very slippery slope.
Title: British Protesters Disrupt Allied C&C?
Post by: Skuzzy on February 05, 2003, 02:36:27 PM
My post was referring to if the event was happening here in the U.S.

We do have restrictions on protests.  The goal is to keep them peaceful and not allow them to interfere with the rights of an institution to lawfully continue operation.

A group of people deliberately attempting to sabotage the operation of a military/civil communications link would be treated as an act of terrorism and not as a protest.

How it would be handled in England, I have no clue.
Title: British Protesters Disrupt Allied C&C?
Post by: -dead- on February 05, 2003, 02:42:16 PM
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
My post was referring to if the event was happening here in the U.S.

We do have restrictions on protests.  The goal is to keep them peaceful and not all them to interfere with the rights of an institution to lawfully continue operation.

A group of people deliberately attempting to sabotage the operation of a military/civil communications link would be treated as an act of terrorism and not as a protest.
Yikes! Land of the not quite as free as we thought. :D
Title: British Protesters Disrupt Allied C&C?
Post by: Skuzzy on February 05, 2003, 02:47:06 PM
Freedom is a multi-way street.  To allow one person a freedom that would override another persons freedom is a contridiction.

For instance.  You can stand on almost any street corner in the U.S. and talk about your beliefs as long as you want.
You cannot grab someone by the collar and force them to listen.  You will get arrested.

It is pretty simple.  Your right to freedom cannot overshadow another persons rights.

Granted, there are a lot of gray areas in this, but I believe that is the goal.
Title: British Protesters Disrupt Allied C&C?
Post by: Dowding on February 05, 2003, 03:25:07 PM
Providing it is peaceful and doesn't interfere with the base operations, I believe it is completely legitimate.

Besides, I'm not enitrely convinced cooking products will 'foil' anything? :D
Title: British Protesters Disrupt Allied C&C?
Post by: AKIron on February 05, 2003, 03:36:20 PM
Simple solution, increase the power 'till their foil hats start sparking, they'll get the idea they ain't welcome.
Title: British Protesters Disrupt Allied C&C?
Post by: bounder on February 05, 2003, 04:02:39 PM
ROFLMAO AKiron.

There was a guy who used to live next to Heathrow airport, apparently he covered the chainlink fennce in his garden with foil to suck power out of their ATC radar and light his house. A tall story, but it shouldbe true even if it's not

I may get up to Menwith Hill to take pics etc, and I shall be bringing a foil wrapped pheasant or two in the hope they bump up the output.

But seriously, I don't believe a few dozen peaceniks with UFOkites and mylar balloons are going to cause much disruption, other than tears of hilarity down the COs cheeks.

Make that quarter of a million mylar balloons then you're in business!