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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Dowding on February 06, 2003, 05:13:50 PM
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Apparently the TV interview that was broadcast over here a few days ago, in being aired tonight in the US. What did you guys think?
Did your skin crawl at one particular moment in particular? If you see it, you'll know which one I mean.
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Disguisting freak and sad mutation produced by a rotten society.
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the guys just another rich freak.
I think he's the second most popular american in france.
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He's not a freak.
He's THE freak.
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To paraphrase the show:
"That boy aint right."
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Originally posted by Dowding
Apparently the TV interview that was broadcast over here a few days ago, in being aired tonight in the US. What did you guys think?
Did your skin crawl at one particular moment in particular? If you see it, you'll know which one I mean.
The part with the cancer-kid describing his stay at his house...blood curdling...:eek:
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Originally posted by Animal
Disguisting freak and sad mutation produced by a rotten society.
Oh... it's the fault of SOCIETY.
Ah, thanks for clearing that up.
Thank Cod there was no Michael Jackson personal responsibility and accountability involved.
Whew. I'm relieved.
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Did anybody else notice that Michael Jackson bears a striking resembelence to Heidi Fleiss???
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Heh.
I actually felt sorry for him up until he started talking about sleeping with boys, in terms of it being 'sweet'. That disturbed me.
Society is to blame in some ways. He was pushed into the spotlight as a young kid, and his neuroses were magnified by the huge public attention. His parents didn't seem to offer him any protection at all.
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Who pushed him into the spotlight?
"Society" isn't a being... who put him out there in the spotlight?
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He was 8 years old when he started out wasn't he? He was brutalized and beaten by his father no matter how he performed. Can you imagine his dad's reaction should he have refused to go on stage?
Sure, later on he used the spotlight as it suited him - but not as a kid.
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Ah.... so you agree there is a responsible and accountable PERSON rather than a non-animate "society".
Good.
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Of course. But what is society if not a collection of individuals?
Parental units are constituent parts of society.
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Man, you ARE grabbing at straws.
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No, you've just shuffled the goal posts around. You were talking about the personal responsibility (PR) of Jackson. I point out his father pushed him very hard from a very young age. You then seem to admit his father has some responsibility.
So where are we in terms of Jackson's PR?
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Uh...so exactly how is "society" responsible for Michael Jackson being a sick f/%#% perverted child molester?
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Sorry,couldn't resist... :D
http://www.kicken.com/funnyfiles/WackoJacko.swf
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Beethoven's father treated the young Beethoven in much the same way as you describe Dowding. Not sure about Beethoven's sexual preference, but either way, he didn't turn out to be a freak, and is highly respected because of his accomplishments.
Michael Jackson phenomenon is pathetic...seems to me like vanity is the main culprit, exacerbated by the corrupting powers of unlimited amounts of money, choosing the wrong mentors in the music industry, and probably drug usage.
The guy seems to be mentally ill, that's for sure. A casuality of fame and fortune? Might not have turned out that way otherwise. Who knows.
This is a good example of why humility is so important to the long term well being of artists, musicians, etc... Though I'm not a fan of MJ, he does have a lot of talent. Ultimately, he is the one responsible for how he'll be remembered.
I suppose if blame has to be directed away from the personal actions of any individual who is highly successful in the music industry, it should be remembered the mafia often becomes a factor where lots of money is involved. Perhaps not so much nowadays, but in MJ's formative years they were alive and well, no doubt demanding more and more outrageous performance from the agents and business managers to give the audience what they want, to sell tickets and make more money.
Of course, this is just a theory, but it seems plausible to me. Can't say I have sympathy for the likes of Michael Jackson. If he has broken any laws concerning children, he should be arrested by the Police.
Les
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Don't get me wrong, Leslie. I'm not defending Jackson's involvement with kids - that's inexcusable. The way he talked on that interview, he sounded like a paedophile trying to justify his actions.
But Beethoven grew up in a very different time, you have to admit. I'm sure he wasn't hounded by paparazzi and adoring fans or had his image displayed on every medium going. I honestly believe that his upbringing and exposure to the world at such an early age had something to do with the way he has turned out. I believe he is a victim of his own early success in that regard - none of his brothers have had these problems - because they were older at the time?
I think he has a lot of talent and ability, but I'll never be able to see past the extremely ill person he is. He even denies the cosmetic surgery and maintains that he has had only two nose jobs. Sad.
I watched that program and saw him wondering around a shop buying pretty awful looking bits of expensive furniture and I kind of got a glimpse of what it must be like to be ultra rich, like him. Billions in the bank and nothing is unreachable. It seems to me none of it would mean anything - you wouldn't value anything and life would be very empty feeling.
I could handle being wealthy, but not famous and ultra-rich. I'd crack up, I think. I'm amazed Jacko is still alive, to be honest.
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Originally posted by Dowding
...But Beethoven grew up in a very different time, you have to admit. I'm sure he wasn't hounded by paparazzi and adoring fans or had his image displayed on every medium going....I could handle being wealthy, but not famous and ultra-rich. I'd crack up, I think. I'm amazed Jacko is still alive, to be honest.
Near the end of his life, Beethoven was asked what he thought about his considerable celebrity.
He responded "What?"
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Originally posted by Toad
Oh... it's the fault of SOCIETY.
Ah, thanks for clearing that up.
Thank Cod there was no Michael Jackson personal responsibility and accountability involved.
Whew. I'm relieved.
Its also arguable that society is the cause for your dumb annoying sarcasm, but I'm sure we can blame your lack of wit.
Parents and siblings and other money-grabbers who pushed him further than even adults can manage (look at Maraia Carey and other adults who break down at that point), and being famous in a time when the status quo was white = right its not hard to visualize how a troubled, confused kid with no identity will end up being the freak we see today. He had no real childhood, so hes trying to spend his adult years making up for it. Trouble is, no adult can act like a true child around children, thats the perfect recipee for scandal.
Yeah, I can safely blame society.
If you dont agree with this arguement, ironically, you can blame society. We dont hold mental patients and insane people accountable for their actions in this society, and that is exactly what he is. He is clearly out of his mind.
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Sure, I'd say his parents have to take some of the blame.
But your contention that parents are somehow "society" is twaddle. IMO.
They're parents.
Beyond that, after he was off on his own, he most certainly became "the Captain of his ship and the Captain of his soul."
He's old enough to know right from wrong with respect to the children aspect.
There are plenty of people that had as tough or tougher time coming up that aren't pedophiles.
That's the aspect of the present accusations where his own personal responsibility and accountability come into focus.
His plastic surgery is merely a choice he made that affects no one else.
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and being famous in a time when the status quo was white = right
I knew it was only a matter of time....
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Oh come on, now you are gonna argue that there was no racial tension in those days?
I'm not talking about now, I'm talking about then.
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Go play with some Coconuts...
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Yeah!
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Oh come on, now you are gonna argue that there was no racial tension in those days?
No I'm not, but playing the race card is just a lame way of trying to prove a point without proving anything. If social tensions were a cause of psychiatric disorders every human being would be a psychopath.
I'm not talking about now, I'm talking about then.
So there's no racial tension now?
ra
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WTF with the race card?
It was a point in an arguement, combined with many other problems.
Anything you say about racism is a race card? you dont know what you are talking about.
A guy does his best to whiten his body, straighten his hair and mutilate his face in an effort to look white, and you want to ignore racial problems as part of the result of what he is?
Race card my ass, thats a real issue.
If social tensions were a cause of psychiatric disorders every human being would be a psychopath.
We are individuals, everyone reacts differently to stimulus, THATS why we have psychopats. The constant prying eyes of the whole society looking and judging every action can act as a magnifying effect. Who wouldnt break under the pressure of having a whole nation analazing your every move 24/7. Of course he ends up being a freak. Most of those celebrities ARE.
So there's no racial tension now?
Its relative harmony now compared to then. At least that you can see in the media and showbusiness.
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Yeah, there is no personal responsibility.
Mysterious forces acting from outer space are responsible for all troubles on planet Earth.
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Originally posted by Toad
Yeah, there is no personal responsibility.
Mysterious forces acting from outer space are responsible for all troubles on planet Earth.
You suck with sarcasm, which is funny because it makes it plain you have no real sensible arguement, so thats why you resort to it.
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Face it, Animal.
There IS personal responsibility and accountability in the world even if you choose to pretend there is not. If enough people choose to pretend along with you, you'll end up with a very interesting society. But the king will still be unclothed.
Further, one has merely to review your posting history for an excellent example of a person with an inability to argue from fact and logic.
Not to mention a near total lack of wit.
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i am agrre with analmal. i am think that amercan sosiity keeps mister jackson down. i think its high time sosiity quit keeping him down. his dad was abusive cause of white man agressin. if it wasnt fore bad white man mister jakson would be normal.
gud call anilmal. i am theenk youre smart.
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Originally posted by Toad
Face it, Animal.
There IS personal responsibility and accountability in the world even if you choose to pretend there is not. If enough people choose to pretend along with you, you'll end up with a very interesting society. But the king will still be unclothed.
Further, one has merely to review your posting history for an excellent example of a person with an inability to argue from fact and logic.
Not to mention a near total lack of wit.
Does the thought that we can blame someone some person for every ill comfort you? yeah I guess its easier to blame someone for a problem that is rooted in human nature. Thats why we invented the devil, wasnt it?
Yeah, I know you claim to be some sort of thread historian "remembering" everything we say for future retribution of some sort.
But man, you are just a self righteous salamander.
Not that it matters for this discussion, you are just trying to invalidate my arguement by using other unrelated discussions, last resort of the losers, lol :)
And it can play both ways bud. So dont bring it.
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Near the end of his life, Beethoven was asked what he thought about his considerable celebrity.
Was that supposed to be a joke?
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A light one, just went over most people's heads I think.
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So what are we trying place blame for? It's obvious he's lost it, and is simply a child. But until there's evidence brought forward, anyone talking about pedophilia is just talking out of thier ass.
SOB
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definately a race issue! he went from a poor black boy .. to a rich white women. amazing aint it
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Originally posted by SOB
So what are we trying place blame for? It's obvious he's lost it, and is simply a child. But until there's evidence brought forward, anyone talking about pedophilia is just talking out of thier ass.
SOB
The guy is obviously a poor out of his mind perpetual child.
A failed experiment. A lab rat with an ear growing out of its back.
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Originally posted by Siaf__csf
Was that supposed to be a joke?
Yes.
Funny how you all have MJ convicted of child molestation. Last I heard he was innocent until proven guilty.
I think he got ripped a new one in the show, and while he is undoubtedly one of the strangest people in the world, he struck me as someone who should be pitied more than someone to be hated.
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He is just a wierd rich diddly. The only thing that strikes me as pathetic is the interest in him.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Yes.
Funny how you all have MJ convicted of child molestation. Last I heard he was innocent until proven guilty.
I think he got ripped a new one in the show, and while he is undoubtedly one of the strangest people in the world, he struck me as someone who should be pitied more than someone to be hated.
Is that your attiture towards all pedophiles? Or just black, rich and famous pedophiles?
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Yes.
Funny how you all have MJ convicted of child molestation. Last I heard he was innocent until proven guilty.
Yeah, that sure worked with OJ. All the defense attorney would have to do was dig up some racist remark that some irrelevant cop made 15 yrs ago and scream conspiracy and he would be aquitted.
"If the condom dont fit, you must aquit"
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Two illogical and retarded arguments. Good job, Hortland!
SOB
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Originally posted by SOB
Two illogical and retarded arguments. Good job, Hortland!
SOB
Thanks.
I wasnt sure I would be able to go two for two, but I did my best.
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I take no comfort from simple fact. It's neutral. It just is.
People are responsible but I can see where someone might take comfort from being able to blame all his/her troubles on something that isn't there. Like the "devil" or "society"...... reminds me of Flip Wilson's "the devil made me do it" skits.
I don't remember for retribution but rather for reference. Big difference.
Originally posted by AnimalBut man, you are just a self righteous salamander. [/B]
Well, an opinion to which you are certainly entitled.
However, I've always felt that the first one to resort vulgarity was the loser. Not to mention bereft of originality.
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Originally posted by Hortlund
Is that your attiture towards all pedophiles? Or just black, rich and famous pedophiles?
ROFL...
Who you calling Black?
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Originally posted by midnight Target
ROFL...
Who you calling Black?
LOL!!
Well...he was black once...
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The reason Animal is a Micheal Jackson apologist is because Animal makes money lip-synching MJ songs while he moonwalks
across the stage to the delight of white American cruise ship tourists visiting Puerto Rico...he's only a few more weeks away from saving enough money for a Michael Jackson nose job... then it's Las Vagas and the Celebrity Look Alike circuit.
You go, Animal!! :D
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I watched it, and I think I had the same reaction as the interviewer....shock, disbeleif...and the overall amazement that Jackson doesn't "get it" in regards to his sleepovers with children.
The guy is weird...he isn't the King of Pop...its like he's trying to relive his youth...
Dunno...I went from feeling bad for him, to just taken aback when he mentioned he wanted more kids, 2 from every country, etc etc...
Weird Man....weird
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Michael Jackson is a great man.
He proved that in america, you really can become whatever you want to be.
He showed us that a poor black boy can grow up to become a rich white woman.
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MJ has the face of a horror movie monster...
It is truely scary.
He is also a sick bastage....
the interview gave me chills.
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Where can one read a transcript of the interview?
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Toad: Oh... it's the fault of SOCIETY.
Ah, thanks for clearing that up.
Of course it is. We stopped natural selection with our liberal policies and laws.
Anyway, what's wrong with MJ? Parents who allow their chldren to be abused het exactly what they deserve - yhey have their children abused. Punishment is an inherent part of the misbehavior in this case.
Is that your attiture towards all pedophiles? Or just black, rich and famous pedophiles?
You have any proof that his interest in children is sexual? You should immediately present it in US court so that we can nail that sick bastard!
miko
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Dunno...I went from feeling bad for him, to just taken aback when he mentioned he wanted more kids, 2 from every country, etc etc...
That's exactly how I felt. And at the end of it all, I felt very ambivalent about the whole thing.
I just can't understand how parents would let their young kids share a bed with Michael Jackson... or any 44 year old man, for that matter. It beggars belief.
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Animals initial assessment.
"Disguisting freak and sad mutation produced by a rotten society.
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I aggree with this 100%. if you add a roten upbringing.
How can you remove the effect of an adoring public on his developing personality?
He has done what he has done to himself and others because he has been tought and conditioned to do so.
Certainly by his parents. By his circle of sycophants. And by the public.
It seems clear to me. It doesnt excuse his behavior as an adult. But you simply cannot dismiss the effect of all the experiances in his life on his success.
He got a nose job and was back on the charts..another nose job and even more success. Easy to lose track of the fact it was his music that got him famous again...he cant write good songs at will..but he can get nose jobs at will.
Being so rediculous that adults cring in his company he seeks the company of children.
All we know is he is a freak and he has had a life that I wouldnt trade for.
Do we know he is a pedophile?
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Originally posted by Animal
Disguisting freak and sad mutation produced by a rotten society.
Thats about the attitiude expected from someone like yourself! Always able to find a fault other than taking responsibility for an issue...
Seems to me thats about the attitude of everyone on that foul island of yours.
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gee this thread is such a THRILLER, oboy yall defending this ferak of nature , it's his parents fault , it's societies fault, well i reckon his own accountablity is not to blame , poor demented millionare i shall have pity on him,, yall that ignorant???????
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Originally posted by Hortlund
Is that your attiture towards all pedophiles? Or just black, rich and famous pedophiles?
Please pay careful attention...
I agree with Hortlund.
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C'mon sandman.
I think I have been consistent in my stance against publicly convicting anyone. Especially by these reactionary bozos you might find here.
MJ might very well be a pedophile, but he still is innocent until proven guilty. Hell, if the affidavit on http://www.thesmokinggun.com is real, then why ain't he in jail now?
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Didn't he pay off the accuser and charges were dropped? IIRC, there was a settlement.
An affidavit is not the same as a court testimony... right?
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Originally posted by Pongo
Animals initial assessment.
"Disguisting freak and sad mutation produced by a rotten society.
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I aggree with this 100%. if you add a roten upbringing.
How can you remove the effect of an adoring public on his developing personality?
He has done what he has done to himself and others because he has been tought and conditioned to do so.
Certainly by his parents. By his circle of sycophants. And by the public.
It seems clear to me. It doesnt excuse his behavior as an adult. But you simply cannot dismiss the effect of all the experiances in his life on his success.
He got a nose job and was back on the charts..another nose job and even more success. Easy to lose track of the fact it was his music that got him famous again...he cant write good songs at will..but he can get nose jobs at will.
Being so rediculous that adults cring in his company he seeks the company of children.
All we know is he is a freak and he has had a life that I wouldnt trade for.
Do we know he is a pedophile?
Wow, Pongo and I agree 100% on something, and Hortlund and Sandman.
All in one thread.
Freaky.
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I didn't watch the interview... what was it all about?
I was watching a Hogan's Heroes marathon on Nik at Nite.... seemed more interesting, but now I am thinking I may have made the wrong viewing choice.
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I am sure it is France's fault somehow.
Serious. ;)
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sorry for reviving this but i need DR.PHIL's opinion on this please:D btw letterman was good fine job , ya put him in his place, but with good fun