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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Mugzeee on February 08, 2003, 12:31:36 PM
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@!$#$#@$%^% b The Dang Tether Line Still Tooooooo Weak on the Bomber Formaions. LOL :D
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No offense, but the only bomber I have problems with is the Ar234 (and that only on take-off). All I can say is be gentle, it's not a fighter. Drones will not push their flight envelope so if you do, they won't follow.
Something I always do is go to external mode when making significant banks. That way I can see how my drones are following.
The only bad bomber issue is the B-17. For some reason, you can be in level flight or in auto-climb and the drones will be right there with you, but then suddenly they'll start lagging behind even if you didn't touch the controls. Like I said, the only bomber I have this problem with is the B-17.
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Yep... And with the B17 the only bomber i fly. I dont want it like a cable.....Just that as is...its like a Spider Web
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Come on people. If you are going to refute a problem then at least do it right. I have flown some times for an hour to get to half of my drop altitude and look back to check out my 6 o'clock and see nothing but wide open sky, (ie)-no stinking drones. This is rediculous!!! There is absolutley no reasone why one should fly two hours with out making any drastic manuvers and loose your drones. This is a huge problem that HT needs to address right now. These message forums were posted with the user in mind. What good is the forum if we keep talking and HT does nothing about any of the problems that we the user address. Look at this as a small problem and throw the comunity aspect of the game right out the door. Every problem should be addressed as a serious one and this is one of them. Granted, there are many problems that HT is dealing with at this moment, but this problem is not a difficult one to fix. So let me ask you this HT, why don't you fix it??? Flying two hours to get to your drop alt and seeing that you have lost your drones is very anoying to say the least.
Thanks for your time... I hope you look at this and post and take it with great regaurd...
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So let me ask you this HT, why don't you fix it.
Because im not sure it's broke. You post a lot of claims are you full throttle all the time. If so the drones shouldn't keep up.
The only problem im aware of is with ar234 on landing.
HiTech
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Originally posted by hitech
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The only problem im aware of is with ar234 on landing.
HiTech
Indeed. I recall once taking off (by accident) with a formation of arados. Well okay all is well and good. Dropped the bombs on target, targets destroyed. Returning to base...make a left base and turn final 25 miles (one full grid) out right on the centerline, at 2500 feet. Airspeed now is less than 200 with the throttles fully back. Flaps coming in, landing gear down at the 10 mile mark now at 1800feet (over the ocean landing at a 0msl base). Drones now lining up behind me, think to myself "good, patience will get me through this). I see them begin to stall out on approach at about 150, the invisible pilots save the planes and they overtake me, and now I've got full throttle in while nose down trying not to exceed Vle just trying to keep up, they get over the numbers and WHEW I say, but to no avail. Just as they are over the threshold POOF. Each bomber poofed was about 80 points, and I landed my final bomber with 3 victories (target was the Vehicle Hangar) and -150ish points. Other than the negative perk score it was a picture perfect approach and landing and a well flown mission. It sure was a let down to lose all those points for no particular reason. Ive heard it suggested before Hitech, and how about making the Arado formation (seeing how it currently is the only perk bomber) cost the price of a single Arado. The 234 hasnt any huge loadout advantage and defensive armament is certainly not highly lethal. Speed is the advantage...and 60 points (give or take depending on numbers) is a tall price to pay for no real advantage in climb, ordnance capacity, or defensive armament. My $0.02.
-Fighter Jock who enjoys a fast bomber now and then
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Originally posted by hitech
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Because im not sure it's broke. You post a lot of claims are you full throttle all the time. If so the drones shouldn't keep up.
Well in this case, the problem is that the drones DO keep up most of the time. Just once in a while they start to drift back and poof. I havn't figured out a reliably way to reproduce it, but it seems to happen for no reason. (Though it does seem to happen on occasion right when crossing the wind layer)
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ok..you are talking to a longterm bomer...
I fly many hours in B-17's....Im bad ass
I fly at 45 inhces Manifold...My buffs will stay with me the whole time
Yes one out of 20 runs they will stray off...Im afk for 30 min and more sometimes...
But if you are not full throttel they will stay....
If you are full throttle--they may stay but usally drifty bak and certain altitudes
So...Slow down..Dont make hard turns....
Its Easy
Lets talk about REAL Buff Problems....
diddlyING 1 pass Shoot downs..Which I feel hard to believe the frequenct that happens is right,,,,
A spitfire should not be able to Kill 3-B-17's in 1 pass..(yes not all the time..but enuff to say sonmthing)
Buffs are working Pretty Dam fine overall...Boming ius good..defense is dam good...
Salute HTC...may we just keep looking into the Soft spot that allows the 17' s to all explode sometimes...
Salute
BiGB
xoxo
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I now, go to gunner position and turn the buffs with rudders... never lost any since I started making my turns like this.
Other than that... just periodic checks to make sure form still in place. I have had to reduce throttle a couple times to lettem catch up.
SKurj
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I only bomb with 17's (norden bombing, anyway)--and mebbe 1 flight of 10..I'm grabbin at customary alt-X 130 mph..mebbe 20 min into flight..drones simply fall back....blow up..STRAIGHT line..130 MPH--could it be related to poor conn. on my end? im always in some motel or another, playing on laptop..i DO have an open mind.....
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229r...are you full throttle...Use 45 inches manifold...i will keep you rclones there..97% o fthe time..u still have to be careful when making turns (i usaully bounce throttle abk and forth a bit to keep them with me..)
BiGB
x0x0
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Originally posted by BGBMAW
ok..you are talking to a long term bomber...
I fly many hours in B-17's....Im bad ass
I fly at 45 inhces Manifold...My buffs will stay with me the whole
I also Fly at 45 PSI on the Manifold...I Still have the problem of drones lagging , and it is Unpredictable.
As far a Hours Logged in B17 Rides. I Have more than ample time in a B17 to access wether or not the problem is Static or Spuratic. 33 hours last tour. Take my word for it. There is a problem.
The problem with bringing up a potential bug or setting issue in these forums is this. Someone Like you (BGBMAW) decide that if you don't think you have a problem with something, then a problem doesn't exist. Many things are not static where this game, or others like it are concerned.
Throttle settings do help so long as you keep an ever vigilant eye on those drones. But the fact is I have tested this problem extensively. Logging many hours in the H2H Arena. With the Wind Settings set the same as the MA.
TESTING PROCEDURE WAS AS FOLLOWS:
I would launch a Formation of B17s on Auto Take Off.
After the Gear was raised i would adjust the throttle to a given setting and leave it alone. I then would go about doing something around the house. On Return i had no idea if the Drones would be there or not. For as i got deeper into the Testing. It was very unpredictable wether the drones would be there or not. I tried Full throttle, 45 PSI Man.40 PSI Man. 35 PSI Man.
and 30 PSI Man. 15 Flights at each Setting. I lost the drones Once, at all settings, and more than once on some of the other settings. Its just a weird thing.
Hope it can be fixed some how soon.
< S > Hitech.
The Game is an awesome game!
And i hope you understand that these complaints are not an attack on the AH Game.
Its just an on going attempt to get those little Pain in the Rump Things, that effect the overall enjoyment of game play, Address.
mugzeee
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ok..i got ya mugzee...
Strange ..for me its not as often that i lose drones like yours
I take off..auto clim 150mph 45 inches...Rarely ever lose drones...
So unless you get alot more peopl with same problem..not sure what to tell ya...
Yes it has happend to me..but 1 out of 20 fligths is good ratio of not losing formation...
BiGB
xoxo
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BGB...ya didnt address my point about connection---mebbe YOOOOUUUUUU have a cable modem, or some similar smooth conn....mebbe everyone that has that happen to em has pathetic dialup like me.....and besides...if lead plane is doin 130 mph...HOWCOULD A#!$#@$#@%$#@% DRONE NOT@!#!$#@%#@%! KEEP UP WITH THAT! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR$%RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH!
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Im fairly certain that one of the factors is your bomber formations direction. Im not sure which directions are bad, but I do know the bombers usually begin getting seperated after the 14k wind layer, and sometimes again higher up at another (programming induced) layer of some sort.
Ive had both things happen....Ive lost bombers for no apparent reason, and Ive had them stick with me at full throttle up to 35k (got a little distracted....I call it the 2 yo factor)
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no im crappy 56k hookup...usally 44,000bps...300 pings..crapy..but killable...
And ..yes oin the wind layer it def affects fromation at first...you see it in your clim rates also in ftrs when u hit the 14k...
Love BiGB
xoxo
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Originally posted by BGBMAW
And ..yes oin the wind layer it def affects fromation at first...you see it in your clim rates also in ftrs when u hit the 14k...
oin, def, clim,u, Please correct your spelling errors. And turn in your paper tomorrow. :D
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Buffs have a hard time keeping up with an agressive climb rate, but as was mentioned above 45 manifold lets them stay with you at the autospeeds' default setting, the 14k hump adds a lot of lift and looses the buffs again, so..reduce to 40 manifold until you're 14.5 k and then back to 45 manifold.
Booz *hic*
now give me the active seperate ammo counts for each plane
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As Posted by Boozer on Another Thread
go hijack another thread please.
I think you mistakenly left this on a different thread boozer :rolleyes:
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lol mugzee..Im the Speeling Bee Champ in AH!!!!!!!!
BiGB
xoxo
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I have no trubble, just cut throttle and fly straight on take off for
a cupple minutes, and make your turns at 150kias or so.
You can cut pretty sharp u's at that speed
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Originally posted by hitech
Because im not sure it's broke. You post a lot of claims are you full throttle all the time. If so the drones shouldn't keep up.
Hmmmm. Drones are the exact same plane as the leader, with the exact same loadout. The drones should be perfectly capable of matching ANY maneuver the lead plane can do, including straight and level flight at full throttle. Aside from lag due to reaction times, this is what real pilots with identical aircraft can do.
The drones should have exactly the same flight envelope as the lead aircraft.
I can understand the need to restrict drone AI but why should they not have the same performance as the lead aircraft?
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I don't have a problem with the tether until I go level.
When I'm at 80% throttle all bombers types keep up just fine.
But with the B17 goes 100%, the two wings will gradually fall back and I will loose them if I don't pay attention. And this is going straight - no turns involved.
Also, when Bomber #1 looses a wing and is not dead yet (I'm in #2 gunning) 2 and 3 start to follow the decent.
By time I switch to #2 pilot seat, they are both (#2 and #3) already in a dive - some times in a spin and I loose all 3 buffs.
This is a big pain in the behind given all the time and effort to get to alt, calibrate, line up - etc.! (love the new system, but it still needs tweaking)
If I do manage to get to #2 in time, it goes into a dive as it starts its engines.
HT could you please have the engines already started - and assume the speed is at least 170 mphs.
Once a major part like a wing or a vert stabilizer is gone, could the software consider that plane shot down and move control to the next plane in formation?
Having to leave gunning and move pilot control around is a big disadvantage to us buffers.
We are already contending with very skilled pilots who know how to attack buffs the correct way.
Any chance of getting an auto-gunner (even a weak one will do) so that we can attempt to get through a bomb run? These fighters also tend to wait until we are on our run to molest us.
I used to buff all the time - not so much these days, too much time and effort for little reward with this new system.
Even with correctly calibrated system, no change in speed, no change in altitude, I'm getting misses - not by fractions, but by 100s of yards. I haven't figured out why.
Dive bombing is a more effect way of bombing when I'm looking for results.
I think that's what everyone else has figured out and that's why there are fewer buffers now - except for us diehards.
Would love to see some more improvements.
Cheers,
DmdNexus